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Title: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Tig on April 19, 2022, 07:23:12 PM
Hiya! I'm callsign: Tig, and I'm rather new. Now, for background, I'm not ignorant in the slightest to aircraft. I've been studying airplanes for 12 of the 16 years of my life (since I was 4), and am an Air Force JROTC cadet. Yep, I'm a young'un you could say! I have flown a plane once, *not solo, and it was just a Cessna 172 Skyhawk. On weekends I meet up with the Special Kay bomber crew and work on the only airworthy Douglas A-26 Counter Invader left in the world. Yep, I do the real deal, I was in the cockpit doing gear swings just 3 days ago. :cheers:
So anyway, I'm a bit of a daredevil in game, although I'm trying to improve my applied ACM tactics. When I'm not drilling ACM I'm usually doing something ridiculous, like threading a Spitfire down a city street at 400ish MPH between the buildings. Or flying Ta 152s and other Spits through field hangars at max speed(and not crashing, I might add). I was experimenting a bit today, and I managed to pull off something I long thought impossible, and that is to make a Messerschmitt 262 take off from and land on an aircraft carrier! Full disclosure, I have no clue if I'm the first or not, I was just amazed it worked! It's about as simple as it sounds. I loaded the 262 onto the carrier deck, set the flaps to max, slammed the throttles to max, held the brakes, then let go! First few seconds is kinda sketchy, but I can retract the flaps pretty quickly. The trick I've found to landing 262s on carriers is just minimal fuel. The extra weight makes it real hard to get a good glide slope and plant it slowly enough to actually stop before you run off the end of the deck. It's hard but possible to take off with full fuel, but you can't land a 262 on a carrier with full fuel, you gotta burn off most of it before it's safe. But yes, in short, you can fly 262s on and off of carriers, you just have to max out the flaps and be a really precise pilot. :aok
Anyone ever heard of doing this before? If I can ever muster up the guts to get the $15 sub I might try messing with people by flying 262s off carriers..... :devil
(Pictures of the sortie coming soon....just as soon as I figure out how to upload them......
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 19, 2022, 07:29:51 PM
Impossible to do in most any online arena
But congratulations 🎊 👏
Welcome to Aces High, Tig!! The first 2 weeks are free
TC
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Tig on April 19, 2022, 07:30:54 PM
Why is that? Are the headwinds different?
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 19, 2022, 07:32:29 PM
262s never took off from Aircraft Carriers in WWII
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Spikes on April 19, 2022, 07:33:42 PM
Melee Arena is historical in the sense that only carrier-based aircraft can fly from carriers.
Welcome to AH! :)
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Tig on April 19, 2022, 07:35:02 PM
Ohhhh.... :bhead Go figure.
It's a shame too, would be real funny, plus we could pull Doolittle Raids if it were allowed!
Well, while I'm here, anyone have a go-to source for improving my ACM tactics? I've been drilling and practicing and drilling some more, but I still have a lot of issues once someone locks onto my six.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: nopoop on April 19, 2022, 08:32:19 PM
This is good start. Check it out
https://youtube.com/c/TheAirCombatTutorialLibrary
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: guncrasher on April 20, 2022, 04:38:02 AM
offline you can do many things, once I took off in a b29, but I changed the winds so it could give me lift. to be honest I kind of floated above the deck of the cv till I changed the winds.
semp
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: fuzeman on April 20, 2022, 07:29:53 AM
Welcome to Aces High. <S> We’re here to help with anything AH related.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Puma44 on April 20, 2022, 08:19:44 AM
“… and it was just a Cessna 172 Skyhawk.”, eh?
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Shuffler on April 20, 2022, 08:52:39 AM
We used to fly our P38Js through the hangers inverted. Lots of fun. More so when at an enemy base that has not been decked.
Welcome to AH. Never forget to have fun.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Rezdog on April 20, 2022, 01:21:56 PM
It's a shame too, would be real funny, plus we could pull Doolittle Raids if it were allowed!
Well, while I'm here, anyone have a go-to source for improving my ACM tactics? I've been drilling and practicing and drilling some more, but I still have a lot of issues once someone locks onto my six.
Welcome Tig, hope you can join in the Main Arena. AH was the source of a lot of fond memories and great friends made when I first started back in 05/06. I'm sure there must be some ACM guides rattling around somewhere, but rules of thumb I try to keep in mind loosely based off the ACM guides from my old squad. 1. Don't climb to your opponent, just means be at the altitude and speed "E" that you intend to engage with cause you’re going to be using that E likely to bargain with if you’re not doing base defense or low-level fur-balling. and 2. when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on 3. Be aware of your energy state and the "E" state of your opponent this takes practice and time to learn the limits of each aircraft commonly used by others and yourself. These are the rules I commonly break lol but benefit from when I pay more attention. Also, don't be afraid to take less fuel if you base defend, or low-level fur-balling. Drop tanks are wonderful inventions, AH engagements can be very short distance, so no need for added weight that could be the difference from landing a shot or not in a turn fight. Oh, and turn off the stall limiter if you haven't already, it holds you back.
Good luck, <S> RezDog
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 20, 2022, 03:38:28 PM
Welcome Tig, hope you can join in the Main Arena. AH was the source of a lot of fond memories and great friends made when I first started back in 05/06. I'm sure there must be some ACM guides rattling around somewhere, but rules of thumb I try to keep in mind loosely based off the ACM guides from my old squad. 1. Don't climb to your opponent, just means be at the altitude and speed "E" that you intend to engage with cause you’re going to be using that E likely to bargain with if you’re not doing base defense or low-level fur-balling. and 2. when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on 3. Be aware of your energy state and the "E" state of your opponent this takes practice and time to learn the limits of each aircraft commonly used by others and yourself. These are the rules I commonly break lol but benefit from when I pay more attention. Also, don't be afraid to take less fuel if you base defend, or low-level fur-balling. Drop tanks are wonderful inventions, AH engagements can be very short distance, so no need for added weight that could be the difference from landing a shot or not in a turn fight. Oh, and turn off the stall limiter if you haven't already, it holds you back.
Good luck, <S> RezDog
I dont agree with #2 ( when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on). When they start diving on you start a nose low turn, tighten the turn more and more as they close. Just as they are about to shoot, pull up and roll out of the turn going into a barrel roll. The faster they are the tighter you want your roll. What happens is they will mis-judge thier aim due to the turn, and more than likely be close to blacking out. As you roll up and back into them you will get a passing shot as they go by. A lucky tag here and the fight might be over.
So welcome Tig! Enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Rezdog on April 20, 2022, 05:28:27 PM
I dont agree with #2 ( when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on). When they start diving on you start a nose low turn, tighten the turn more and more as they close. Just as they are about to shoot, pull up and roll out of the turn going into a barrel roll. The faster they are the tighter you want your roll. What happens is they will mis-judge thier aim due to the turn, and more than likely be close to blacking out. As you roll up and back into them you will get a passing shot as they go by. A lucky tag here and the fight might be over.
So welcome Tig! Enjoy the ride!
Sage advice Fugitive.
One ACM Guide, old squad page on the way back machine, good times.
I dont agree with #2 ( when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on). When they start diving on you start a nose low turn, tighten the turn more and more as they close. Just as they are about to shoot, pull up and roll out of the turn going into a barrel roll. The faster they are the tighter you want your roll. What happens is they will mis-judge thier aim due to the turn, and more than likely be close to blacking out. As you roll up and back into them you will get a passing shot as they go by. A lucky tag here and the fight might be over.
So welcome Tig! Enjoy the ride!
I have used this for years and and folks buy into it hard.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: SIK1 on April 20, 2022, 09:33:49 PM
Tig, you could always schedule some time with a trainer. (shameless plug) :devil
:salute Sik
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Tig on April 20, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
While you can't take off from a CV with the 262 in the MA. You could land one :old: indeed very fun.
Defensive ACM is the hardest for most people. That's why so many fly easy run planes to press X when a con gets on their 6 ;)
It's all about timing and using the enemies E to their disadvantage.
Check out this move. It's one of my favorites. Here is your first step to understanding defensive maneuvers. (Youtube embed)
Practice that one a good bit, though for a complete understanding I would need to talk you thru it.
You should really try the MA. $15 ain't so bad, you will see how challenging aircombat really is.
Now that's still pretty big brained if you think about it! Could allow for some....interesting sortie paths.... That's a very neat maneuver! I have strong spatial thinking so I'm pretty sure I understand how it works, I'll practice. If anyone around here ever wants to hop on Easy's H2H arena around 4-ish in the afternoons most days I'd love to practice stuff like this!
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Peanut1 on April 21, 2022, 12:40:58 AM
Now that's still pretty big brained if you think about it! Could allow for some....interesting sortie paths.... That's a very neat maneuver! I have strong spatial thinking so I'm pretty sure I understand how it works, I'll practice. If anyone around here ever wants to hop on Easy's H2H arena around 4-ish in the afternoons most days I'd love to practice stuff like this!
if not getting a main arena account paid up is a money issue, let me know. I no longer play but am glad to buy ya 6 months of the world's finest flight combat sim that exists.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: guncrasher on April 21, 2022, 01:20:33 AM
if not getting a main arena account paid up is a money issue, let me know. I no longer play but am glad to buy ya 6 months of the world's finest flight combat sim that exists.
that's what I love about aces high :rock :rock :rock
semp
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Mongoose on April 21, 2022, 08:13:36 AM
I dont agree with #2 ( when being attacked from above turn and face the attack head on). When they start diving on you start a nose low turn, tighten the turn more and more as they close. Just as they are about to shoot, pull up and roll out of the turn going into a barrel roll. The faster they are the tighter you want your roll. What happens is they will mis-judge thier aim due to the turn, and more than likely be close to blacking out. As you roll up and back into them you will get a passing shot as they go by. A lucky tag here and the fight might be over.
I gotta try this. My problem with maneuvers like this is I can never get lined up right when it's time for my shot.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 21, 2022, 08:21:41 AM
Nevermind....misread a reply
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: lunaticfringe on April 21, 2022, 08:25:49 AM
I like this kid, nopoop. You should send him an invite into the EZ Targets.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Lazerr on April 21, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
I think he is referring to people saying you cannot land and reload a 262 on a cv in the MA. Luni is calling BS because he has seen me do it. I've seen myself do it a few times too. :D
It's really only useful when you fly multiple sectors into a bish/rook fight and a cv in the right spot. It can save you some time to rtb to land or reload at a base.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 21, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
I think he is referring to people saying you cannot land and reload a 262 on a cv in the MA. Luni is calling BS because he has seen me do it. I've seen myself do it a few times too. :D
It's really only useful when you fly multiple sectors into a bish/rook fight and a cv in the right spot. It can save you some time to rtb to land or reload at a base.
I never called BS to anything regarding this....I just never explained that there was a way to do it, which takes skill, especially to not backup and end up rolling off the FanTail of the CV!
Just saying......heh
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: lunaticfringe on April 21, 2022, 02:44:44 PM
I think he is referring to people saying you cannot land and reload a 262 on a cv in the MA. Luni is calling BS because he has seen me do it. I've seen myself do it a few times too. :D
It's really only useful when you fly multiple sectors into a bish/rook fight and a cv in the right spot. It can save you some time to rtb to land or reload at a base.
Correctamundo
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Spikes on April 21, 2022, 03:08:13 PM
if not getting a main arena account paid up is a money issue, let me know. I no longer play but am glad to buy ya 6 months of the world's finest flight combat sim that exists.
:eek: I'll send a PM!
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: atlau on April 21, 2022, 06:56:22 PM
The hardest part of landing/rearming a 263 on a cv is turning that thing around to get back to the realm pad. Pretty sure it took me 10 min of massaging the brakes and power to get that thing back in the right spot.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Shuffler on April 21, 2022, 10:39:22 PM
The hardest part of landing/rearming a 263 on a cv is turning that thing around to get back to the realm pad. Pretty sure it took me 10 min of massaging the brakes and power to get that thing back in the right spot.
Rev the engines slightly and you will roll backwards. Just be careful to go to idle and hit the brakes in time to not roll off the stern.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 22, 2022, 01:07:42 AM
Rev the engines slightly and you will roll backwards. Just be careful to go to idle and hit the brakes in time to not roll off the stern.
Stern as being the back end of a ship is correct too
For aircraft carriers, at least while I worked on the flight deck in my youthful years 😅, we called it the FanTail....then there is the FanTail opening below the flight deck.... a lot of things go on/ happen at this particular CV / CVN opening... not just for boarding/ unloading when at Port in different countries....
<S>
TC
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Shuffler on April 22, 2022, 03:39:27 AM
Stern as being the back end of a ship is correct too
For aircraft carriers, at least while I worked on the flight deck in my youthful years 😅, we called it the FanTail....then there is the FanTail opening below the flight deck.... a lot of things go on/ happen at this particular CV / CVN opening... not just for boarding/ unloading when at Port in different countries....
<S>
TC
That is from habit. We are building a yacht in the shop. It is an aluminum 65' powered cat. Mission built for the Great Loop. It will also spend some winter in the Bahamas.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 22, 2022, 10:29:57 AM
That is from habit. We are building a yacht in the shop. It is an aluminum 65' powered cat. Mission built for the Great Loop. It will also spend some winter in the Bahamas.
I thought it came from being called that from way back like the around 1919 or somewhere around that time line 🤔
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Shuffler on April 23, 2022, 08:21:37 AM
I was being serious, Shuf.... someone, somewhere back then said that by the way the bow was narrow and the stern was wider (read as: fanned out like a whale 🐋 tail, is why they begun calling it the fantail.... it might have been later like 1939 or 49....but for some reason I was recalling it was around 1919....
Just for laughing at me I'm gonna hunt you down in MNM, and become cannon fodder! :x
:salute :cheers:
TC
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Shuffler on April 23, 2022, 08:40:52 AM
I was being serious, Shuf.... someone, somewhere back then said that by the way the bow was narrow and the stern was wider (read as: fanned out like a whale 🐋 tail, is why they begun calling it the fantail.... it might have been later like 1939 or 49....but for some reason I was recalling it was around 1919....
Just for laughing at me I'm gonna hunt you down in MNM, and become cannon fodder! :x
:salute :cheers:
TC
I know.... but I have called it stern for 63 years. lol
To some, fantail, aft, or stern.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: RotBaron on April 23, 2022, 08:43:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdocmu6CyFs
Can you land on top of a hangar?
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Eagler on April 24, 2022, 08:02:39 AM
Bow, stern, port, starboard...never in the navy just a fisherman's common knowledge :)
Flying through town bridges and under trees is a good distraction
Have to wonder how tall and large the trees are if one can fly under their arches
Eagler
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Tig on April 24, 2022, 12:12:25 PM
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A5kWc0AKNDkbrE4alE3vMBoL5TzqnY6L/view?usp=sharing) Apparently, yes! Couldn't pull it off in a fighter just because you can't stop in time, but I could do it in a Storch!
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: atlau on April 24, 2022, 12:52:56 PM
I sure do! This is Galm1 (Corsair) and I (Spit 9) living out our Top Gun dreams the other day, the smoke made it so much better. :aok (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=405125.0;attach=35356)
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Oldmax6 on April 28, 2022, 04:28:53 PM
I had to try this but it’s a risk to loose your 262 tho. So I went in to the training arena and landed my 262 on a carrier and took off again. Can film it and post the film if you like. But this is how I did that. I had to approach the cv so I had the deck in my 1 o’clock so I knew when make the touch down. To turn around on the deck I had to taxiing so far out on the runway and then I used my rudder and only one engine to make the turn. Taxing back to the stern and did the same to make my line up. Then I deployed full flaps and used my brakes to get full power on my engines. Then I took off again.
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: EagleOne on May 18, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
There's some old videos out there (mostly my pc) of ChamChi and SYSTEM landing 234 on CV for relaod and taking off with RATOs to bombard GVs :banana:
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Dichotomy on May 21, 2022, 08:17:11 PM
We used to fly our P38Js through the hangers inverted. Lots of fun. More so when at an enemy base that has not been decked.
Welcome to AH. Never forget to have fun.
Flying through hangers is fun regardless of platform. I did manage it in a 38 a couple of times and yes Shuffler inverted. I have the pics somewhere in my decade of other pics and two pc's later LOL
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Someguy63 on May 22, 2022, 09:26:14 PM
Welcome Tig, seeing your post reminds me a lot of myself when I first started playing, and I was your age only 8 years ago!
Enjoy :airplane:
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: atlau on May 22, 2022, 10:21:36 PM
What’s up atlau! I’ve not been back no, barely play any type of game anymore to be honest…I just check in the forums every once in a while. How you been?
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Bopgun on May 25, 2022, 06:18:45 PM
What’s up atlau! I’ve not been back no, barely play any type of game anymore to be honest…I just check in the forums every once in a while. How you been?
Get your bellybutton back here! No one knows how to throw taters anymore
Title: Re: 262s on a Carrier, Am I the First?
Post by: Arlo on May 25, 2022, 07:44:07 PM