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Title: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: MiloMorai on April 27, 2022, 09:57:22 AM
The Power of Big Oil (Part One: Denial) FRONTLINE’s three-part series The Power of Big Oil examines the fossil fuel industry’s history of denying climate change by delaying action and casting doubt on scientific research. Part One: Denial charts the fossil fuel industry’s early research on climate change and investigates the efforts to sow seeds of doubt about the science. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-promise/video/part-one-denial-the-power-of-big-oil/?msclkid=b38ed0edc63911ec9c163b8ef66ef6c6
The Power of Big Oil (Part Two: Doubt) FRONTLINE examines the fossil fuel industry’s history of casting doubt and delaying action on climate change. Part Two of this three-part series explores the industry’s efforts to stall climate policy, even as evidence about climate change grew more certain in the new millennium. https://www.pbs.org/video/the-power-of-big-oil-part-two-doubt-wbrjhi/?msclkid=f3722e15c63911ecb655267736207082
Part Three next week.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: nopoop on April 27, 2022, 10:26:41 AM
If PBS has anything to do with it, its a hard pass for me.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 27, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
I watched part 1 but was disappointed to see how they narrative has a political agenda instead of the good ol days where they at least attempted to be journalistic.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on April 27, 2022, 11:06:20 AM
Weather control lol
Let's replace technologies when we have a technology ready and affordable to do so
Let's not break global economics rushing it ...oops too late
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: 100Coogn on April 27, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
Disregard.. Just wrong to post..
Coogan
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 27, 2022, 12:48:24 PM
:blank:
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: 100Coogn on April 27, 2022, 12:57:09 PM
That seems to be something very top secret for the rest of the world to know as neither of the videos was available.
PBS is not top secret but Finland might be filtering it.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Bizman on April 27, 2022, 01:52:27 PM
An American conspiracy! :old:
Finland doesn't filter anything! You'd have to go 100 miles East from here to find a country filtering foreign content.
In this case though I'd like to believe it's a copyright issue.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Shuffler on April 27, 2022, 04:41:08 PM
PBS stands for Public Bull Sh*t
Glad it is finally warming up here. Been cool to cold way into the late part of April.
I read in the news today up north they are concerned about ice on the lakes still. Just 10 more days till fishing season. They are hoping the ice melt.
If you want to fight polution... print your material in chinese.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on April 27, 2022, 06:58:53 PM
Lets go after our energy production. Maybe after we kill off oil we can go after food production too.
:x
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: FLS on April 27, 2022, 07:25:43 PM
Big Oil is so powerful we're paying premium prices for foreign oil instead of pumping our own.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 27, 2022, 07:32:33 PM
Lets go after our energy production. Maybe after we kill off oil we can go after food production too.
:x
Aren't we there? The latest conspiracy theory concerns burned down food processing plants and warehouses along with Bill Gates buying up the farmland.
One of the first things our professor taught in polysci, back in 1978, was that, no matter the circumstance, you can spin it either to your advantage or to your opponent's disadvantage, but those are really both the same.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 27, 2022, 07:52:20 PM
One of the first things our professor taught in polysci, back in 1978, was that, no matter the circumstance, you can spin it either to your advantage or to your opponent's disadvantage, but those are really both the same.
Poli Sci still taught that in 2018. :)
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: RotBaron on April 27, 2022, 08:28:16 PM
Your link implies that what I posted is something I did not state.
I can underline and highlight for you if necessary.
Please do. And annotate. :)
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on April 27, 2022, 09:24:00 PM
I'm grateful for big oil. I think we need to produce more. Do you know how many products are made because of petroleum? We need oil for our energy. Oil and gas. The more the better.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 27, 2022, 09:30:10 PM
I'm grateful for big oil. I think we need to produce more. Do you know how many products are made because of petroleum? We need oil for our energy. Oil and gas. The more the better.
Big oil is the largest tax subsidized industry in the U.S. There is no shortage. It is also the largest contributor to climate change. That industry's own studies on such reflects that fact (though it was kept hushed). Alternate sources of energy for both power and transport is not a bad thing. The oil industry is attempting to branch out in that direction (anyone wonder why?). Petroleum will not die out as result of a reduction and switch to alternatives.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on April 27, 2022, 09:40:33 PM
I don't care if oil is tax subsidized. We need oil. I'm glad that oil has always been relatively cheap. We need to find more oil and produce more oil.
Alternative sources of energy are all fine and dandy but there's a reason why they are not the main source of energy. It's because they are not ready. They are not efficient and they're more expensive.
I mean it's really just common sense. If alternative energies could compete in the marketplace and produce energy as inexpensively as oil and natural gas then the market would already be going in that direction. By artificially trying to force that upon us, we are screwing ourselves.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on April 27, 2022, 09:42:56 PM
I'll also add that a warming climate is not even a bad thing. What would be worse would be a cooling climate. We're very lucky to have a climate we have.
More people are alive and being fed today because of the warming climate. Just the opposite would happen if the climate cooled.
I defy anyone to prove that a global warming is even a bad thing. It's more of a good thing than a bad thing by far.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 28, 2022, 04:45:49 AM
I'll also add that a warming climate is not even a bad thing. What would be worse would be a cooling climate. We're very lucky to have a climate we have.
More people are alive and being fed today because of the warming climate. Just the opposite would happen if the climate cooled.
I defy anyone to prove that a global warming is even a bad thing. It's more of a good thing than a bad thing by far.
One thing that surprised me was how low the levels of co2 are relative to long term historical amounts and how that affects plant growth. People are concerned that co2 levels have risen to around 400 ppm from 200 ppm but 200 ppm is near the very bottom of historical levels and near the minimums for plant growth. As co2 levels get closer to 1000 ppm which is near the ideal levels for plant growth then the articles I was reading were predicting near 100% more plant growth as they approach maximum efficiency.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Shuffler on April 28, 2022, 05:11:39 AM
One thing that surprised me was how low the levels of co2 are relative to long term historical amounts and how that affects plant growth. People are concerned that co2 levels have risen to around 400 ppm from 200 ppm but 200 ppm is near the very bottom of historical levels and near the minimums for plant growth. As co2 levels get closer to 1000 ppm which is near the ideal levels for plant growth then the articles I was reading were predicting near 100% more plant growth as they approach maximum efficiency.
The goal is not to feed the people. If people have food, there are those that will not have power. Even here in the US there are groups that depend on slaves to this day. If no one needs handouts, those griups lose their power.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: decoy on April 28, 2022, 05:41:06 AM
I'll also add that a warming climate is not even a bad thing. What would be worse would be a cooling climate. We're very lucky to have a climate we have.
More people are alive and being fed today because of the warming climate. Just the opposite would happen if the climate cooled.
I defy anyone to prove that a global warming is even a bad thing. It's more of a good thing than a bad thing by far.
Certainly the earth has been warming for the last 25K years, and it had not been, most of us wouldn't be here and we certainly wouldn't be exchanging views on a forum such as this. Our cave paintings would probably be really high tech, but I'll take the tradeoff.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 28, 2022, 06:46:37 AM
Lets go after our energy production. Maybe after we kill off oil we can go after food production too.
:x
It's already happening. Have you not seen many of the food production fascilities being completely burned to the ground in the last few months all over the US. On top of chicken viruses completely wrecking production. Freaking wings cost like $20 for a 10 piece now. (https://i.ibb.co/xh3jdpq/Screenshot-20220421-073858-Chrome.jpg)
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 07:32:32 AM
All that really stated was that there is no "new" trend. However points out many fires since 2019, I'd say that is a trend. It doesnt give any further historical evidence, and just writes off the fact that the countless fires at many plants are "meh, it's really no big deal as many aren't that bad" and blanket statements them all as being "not arson".
How about the plane flying into a general Mills factory in GA. No new trend though must have just been a pure coincidence. The plant in Oregon completely burned to the ground. Just naturally happens all of the time, no biggie.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: zack1234 on April 28, 2022, 10:29:05 AM
You lot being played :rofl
So informed yet so ignorant :rofl
You cannot admit your irrelevant and unimportant :rofl
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Shuffler on April 28, 2022, 11:03:34 AM
Polluted rivers in Georgia are being blamed on the chicken industry.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on April 28, 2022, 12:00:11 PM
High gas prices are Russia fault lol
How stupid is joe six pack that they think anyone actually believes the bs that they spew..
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 12:10:03 PM
Duhhhh :rolleyes: with the Biden economy, what would you expect??
The economy is doing quite well, inflation not so much.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: pallero on April 30, 2022, 03:04:34 PM
This is the target: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/04/28/watch-morano-on-tv-explains-how-climate-agenda-is-pushing-the-end-of-private-car-ownership-end-of-meat-eating/
And here is what it's all about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GykzQWlXJs
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 30, 2022, 04:58:17 PM
I live in the one that's making record profits through both a pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. So, of course, hike the prices on consumers in our consumer based economy. :old:
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 30, 2022, 10:14:23 PM
I live in the one that's making record profits through both a pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. So, of course, hike the prices on consumers in our consumer based economy. :old:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Not sure what country your in either.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Robbler on May 01, 2022, 03:38:42 AM
It kind of surprises me that anyone can justifiably be polarized in the current world. No matter what the left accuses the right of, you can find some evil that the other is doing and so forth. They are all liars and they are all probably narcissistic sociopaths so I am done with it. as Grimes would say, " we are all victims of propaganda." it's an ugly lying world and nobody knows what to believe anymore. so you can get on a soapbox and spout the party rhetoric or you can step back and see the reality of the situation. the choice is yours.
also when in MA please don't attack my b17 formation from six o'clock with a slow rate of closure...I will kill you and my score will get better even though I suck. so it is on you.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2022, 07:06:56 AM
I live in the one that's making record profits through both a pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. So, of course, hike the prices on consumers in our consumer based economy. :old:
The economy shrank 1.4% this quarter.
When nobody wants to work, labor prices go up. When you can't get supplies and everything is in demand, prices go up. When oil prices go up, almost everything goes up.
Of course during the pandemic places like Amazon made record profits because nobody can go anywhere. They're going to order online. People worked from home.
China was shut down several times, including right now. When you can't get stuff out of China and stuff is stuck on the boats or not even being loaded or even manufactured, prices go up.
We are not in a good situation right now. It's probably going to get worse.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on May 01, 2022, 07:50:26 AM
It kind of surprises me that anyone can justifiably be polarized in the current world. No matter what the left accuses the right of, you can find some evil that the other is doing and so forth. They are all liars and they are all probably narcissistic sociopaths so I am done with it. as Grimes would say, " we are all victims of propaganda." it's an ugly lying world and nobody knows what to believe anymore. so you can get on a soapbox and spout the party rhetoric or you can step back and see the reality of the situation. the choice is yours.
This and as cgi improves reality will be impossible to prove
Both sides are just different corrupt sides of the same coin
Our leaders care only about their own power ...if you believe otherwise you are the fool they need
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2022, 07:55:53 AM
Which on that same day the manipulated market reversed it's fall and climbed only on the possibility that such a crappy gdp would slow the feds rate raises and money easing...
If that doesn't show that the financial world we live in is 100% manipulated, crooked and cooked...nothing will
And yes we are in for much worse times
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on May 01, 2022, 08:00:16 AM
It is not an issue of 'nobody wanting to work'. Companies don't want to pay employees what is necessary to live because it will cut into their bottom line. People just want to get paid a fair wage so they can afford the basics and maybe take a vacation or two a year and have a personal life outside of work. It isn't like these large multi-million/billion can't afford to do such a thing. Someone like Bezos shoots himself into space for fun and his employees don't get piss breaks.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with our economy and welfare system as it exists today, but a blanket 'nobody wants to work' is woefully inaccurate.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: JimmyD3 on May 01, 2022, 09:50:44 AM
It is not an issue of 'nobody wanting to work'. Companies don't want to pay employees what is necessary to live because it will cut into their bottom line. People just want to get paid a fair wage so they can afford the basics and maybe take a vacation or two a year and have a personal life outside of work. It isn't like these large multi-million/billion can't afford to do such a thing. Someone like Bezos shoots himself into space for fun and his employees don't get piss breaks.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with our economy and welfare system as it exists today, but a blanket 'nobody wants to work' is woefully inaccurate.
Fair wage=Supply & Demand
a blanket 'nobody wants to work' is woefully inaccurate=many of the younger generation don't know how to work and have no desire to learn. Many of the others want to flip burgers for $25.00 an hour. Is it everybody? No, but way to many of them. You will recall the market was down 900 points the other day, yeah the economy is doing great. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 01, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
It is not an issue of 'nobody wanting to work'. Companies don't want to pay employees what is necessary to live because it will cut into their bottom line. People just want to get paid a fair wage so they can afford the basics and maybe take a vacation or two a year and have a personal life outside of work. It isn't like these large multi-million/billion can't afford to do such a thing. Someone like Bezos shoots himself into space for fun and his employees don't get piss breaks.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with our economy and welfare system as it exists today, but a blanket 'nobody wants to work' is woefully inaccurate.
It is an issue of people not wanting to work. Because they make more money staying at home getting handouts. Or did.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 01, 2022, 10:49:53 AM
You're confusing the sum total and the gross profit (haves vs have nots). :old:
I'm not confusing anything. The GDP shrank 1.4%. you can spend things however you like though. The GDP is how the economy is measured.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 01, 2022, 10:51:23 AM
In case you're still confused, GDP does not mean gross profit.
Gross domestic product (GDP) is used to estimate the size of the US economy. It is calculated as the value of all goods and services produced in the US. In 2019, GDP was $21.4 trillion.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: MiloMorai on May 01, 2022, 10:59:01 AM
GDP is not just in the USA but in every country.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Spikes on May 01, 2022, 11:10:25 AM
So what are the folks who used to make more money but no longer make more money on unemployment doing now since they aren't working?
I'm not sure what they're doing. All I know is that there are lots of jobs that cannot be filled now that we're normally taken by lower wage earners. Like fast food restaurants. I went to a Wendy's the other day and it was a note on the door that the showroom was closed because they didn't have anybody to work. Only the drive-thru was open. A sign out front said they were hiring people to flip burgers for $17 an hour. And I see that all over the place. Those used to be $6 an hour jobs.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2022, 06:17:45 PM
I'm not sure what they're doing. All I know is that there are lots of jobs that cannot be filled now that we're normally taken by lower wage earners. Like fast food restaurants. I went to a Wendy's the other day and it was a note on the door that the showroom was closed because they didn't have anybody to work. Only the drive-thru was open. A sign out front said they were hiring people to flip burgers for $17 an hour. And I see that all over the place. Those used to be $6 an hour jobs.
Your Wendy's has a 'showroom?' :D
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Spikes on May 01, 2022, 08:18:39 PM
I'm not sure what they're doing. All I know is that there are lots of jobs that cannot be filled now that we're normally taken by lower wage earners. Like fast food restaurants. I went to a Wendy's the other day and it was a note on the door that the showroom was closed because they didn't have anybody to work. Only the drive-thru was open. A sign out front said they were hiring people to flip burgers for $17 an hour. And I see that all over the place. Those used to be $6 an hour jobs.
What have people been doing since 2007 when the minimum wage was less than $6/hr?? Crazy that they have survived 15 years on all that Covid stimmy money!
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 01, 2022, 08:28:23 PM
What have people been doing since 2007 when the minimum wage was less than $6/hr?? Crazy that they have survived 15 years on all that Covid stimmy money!
There was no labor shortage then. It will probably end soon though.
A lot of people were living off of extended unemployment benefits since covid put the brakes on a lot of jobs, especially restaurant workers. Whatever it is you believe, the fact is that wages being offered are higher and many people are not going back to work.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 01, 2022, 08:42:39 PM
The simple fact is that people must have a bit of a cushion of money saved if they do not need to work. The extended benefits, covid relief checks coupled with no rent and no evictions for at least a year. Yeah, people had some extra cash and didn't need to work.
What else could it be? Just no longer need to eat?
lol
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Chalenge on May 02, 2022, 03:31:48 AM
Read (reread "1984").
"Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it." –George Orwell, 1984
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on May 02, 2022, 07:06:10 AM
Some will never go back to work as the covid pause allowed them to see that after expenses they weren't making/clearing the money they'd thought they were and with a few adjustments now stay home and watch Wendy and the view ..
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: TheBug on May 02, 2022, 07:29:51 AM
What's the current unemployment rate?
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Spikes on May 02, 2022, 07:33:22 AM
Some will never go back to work as the covid pause allowed them to see that after expenses they weren't making/clearing the money they'd thought they were and with a few adjustments now stay home and watch Wendy and the view ..
Eagler
How are they doing that though with no job and no extra COVID bonuses?
Something else that was at a record high just before covid...imagine that
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 02, 2022, 08:13:45 AM
so there's a huge labor shortage- near record levels. There are 2.7 million less people working today than before the pandemic. The labor force is short 900,000 more jobs than before.
So Spikes, where do you think those people who decided to quit get their money from? All just retired?
The government causes a good portion of this by giving out all the checks, suspending evictions and extending unemployment benefits. Why would you work when the government is giving you more money than you were making before? That was exactly the case for a lot of people.
Now the extended befits are over - but Biden now wants to cancel student loans. lol. Just keep pouring free money at people and wonder why we have a labor shortage.
On the other hand, wages for a lot of jobs really are too low. Even though wages are ten percent higher than before the pandemic, in a lot of cases they are still too low.
There's also the gig economy. I know people who do little side businesses. There's a huge gig economy that's kind of under the radar.
Bottom line, people are getting an income somehow, some way.
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on May 02, 2022, 08:22:26 AM
Most jobs that are still open are not career based jobs to start with unless your life goal is to be head waiter somewhere...
They are jobs that will be automated out of existence
Best we figure out what to do with that segment of society to make them useful
Sorry but everyone can't be a software engineer..you just ain't got the smarts..
I say it ends up as a black mirror "green" job where they can report to huge warehouses while generating electricity riding exercise bikes and watching the latest talent show dreaming of a better future...
Eagler
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: -gg- on May 02, 2022, 09:08:06 AM
Learn to code.
Lol
Title: Re: The Power of BIG Oil
Post by: Eagler on May 02, 2022, 10:32:17 AM