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Title: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Gogolinius on April 28, 2022, 06:09:42 AM
Back in the day, this was a fertile land, both for humor as well as for the trolling of simple minds.

Today, it feels like a battlefield after the smoke has cleared, with the only ones left alive being those who either ducked and hid during the artillery barrages, or those greenhorn replacements who were sent in to clean up afterwards.

So the question is... What happened? Did Skuzzy eliminate everyone worth a damn, or did everyone worth a damn just find something better to do? A combination of the two, perhaps?

Or is the community simply not what it was when this game was still relevant?
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 07:36:27 AM
Methinks your 'worth a damn' meter never really worked.  :cool:
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: fuzeman on April 28, 2022, 08:35:50 AM
Back in the day… when was that? February 2022?
Hmmm ‘trolling of simple minds’

While your pointing your finger around looking for faults, remember you have four other fingers pointing someplace.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 28, 2022, 08:48:35 AM
In my opinion it was an over reaction in moderation.  Back in the day, before FW split off, this was a great forum.  There were a ton of interesting conversations from knowledgeable people.  As happens in every forum at some point there were certain individuals who felt entitled to push boundaries and they kept doing so until Skuzzy went overboard and locked down almost every conversation that showed a hint of debate.  In the end we have what we have now.  Most of the kind of people you want on a forum left and most of the few left are the ones you don't want.  That is the cycle of life in internet forums.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Puma44 on April 28, 2022, 08:52:19 AM
Methinks your 'worth a damn' meter never really worked.  :cool:

Agree
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Bizman on April 28, 2022, 08:53:33 AM
Skuzzy sure did a good job if the bad boys haven't returned after his retirement.

BTW what's the idea of trolling simple minds?
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Spikes on April 28, 2022, 08:53:33 AM
Most of the kind of people you want on a forum left and most of the few left are the ones you don't want.

I'd venture to say most of the kind of people YOU want left. This is a business and what they did way back whenever was a business decision. Personally, the peace and quiet is nice. If you don't like it, you are free to leave.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on April 28, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Woke and the threat of being cancelled by the expanding social media influence is what killed it. Purely a CYA.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Eagler on April 28, 2022, 09:16:32 AM
Had many back and forth threads concerning the 2000 election and its hanging chads and again in 08 when the chosen one there won over experience...lol

I don't recall the restrictions then that posts are subject to now...

My guess is that there is a fear we might chase the sensitive types away from the game and hurt business

Our skin seems to get thinner with each passing year..

Eagler
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on April 28, 2022, 09:18:33 AM
Had many back and forth threads concerning the 2000 election and its hanging chads and again in 08 when the chosen one there won over experience...lol

I don't recall the restrictions then that posts are subject to now...

My guess is that there is a fear we might chase the sensitive types away from the game and hurt business

Our skin seems to get thinner with each passing year..

Eagler

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Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on April 28, 2022, 09:21:33 AM
You go and look at FB timeline also. 
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Spikes on April 28, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Woke and the threat of being cancelled by the expanding social media influence is what killed it. Purely a CYA.
lol, I doubt HT is afraid be being 'cancelled by social media'.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Maverick on April 28, 2022, 09:35:28 AM
As far as the folks who went to FW are concerned. A fair number of them left there as well. There is always someone who just has to toss a turd un the punchbowl and spoil it for others. That applies here, FW and the new ice cream forums. Some folks just do not know how to get along with others.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on April 28, 2022, 09:42:09 AM
lol, I doubt HT is afraid be being 'cancelled by social media'.


HT doesn't have 230 protections,  extrapolate from there.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: zack1234 on April 28, 2022, 10:27:39 AM
ME :x
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 12:11:47 PM
...until Skuzzy went overboard and locked down almost every conversation that showed a hint of debate.

It wasn't 'debate.'  :old:
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 12:13:51 PM
Had many back and forth threads concerning the 2000 election and its hanging chads and again in 08 when the chosen one there won over experience...lol

I don't recall the restrictions then that posts are subject to now...

My guess is that there is a fear we might chase the sensitive types away from the game and hurt business

Our skin seems to get thinner with each passing year..

Eagler

Thinner skins and bigger mouths. On that we agree.  :D
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: nopoop on April 28, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Its the Mod that has a thin skin. This board is tame. The closed threads are tame.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Arlo on April 28, 2022, 02:07:13 PM
Its the Mod that has a thin skin. This board is tame. The closed threads are tame.

The mod is HT. The closed threads are closed before they reach complete meltdown status (not good for maintaining a tight knit community). The board is supposed to be tame. You are crying for no good reason.  :)
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 28, 2022, 03:34:35 PM
Back in the day, this was a fertile land, both for humor as well as for the trolling of simple minds.

Today, it feels like a battlefield after the smoke has cleared, with the only ones left alive being those who either ducked and hid during the artillery barrages, or those greenhorn replacements who were sent in to clean up afterwards.

So the question is... What happened? Did Skuzzy eliminate everyone worth a damn, or did everyone worth a damn just find something better to do? A combination of the two, perhaps?

Or is the community simply not what it was when this game was still relevant?

You admitted you were a shade and hiding from Skuzzy on one of your first posts, may YOU are what ruined the Oclub.  :devil
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Busher on April 28, 2022, 03:59:44 PM
It wasn't 'debate.'  :old:

Why debate at all? In this climate, you think you might change someone's mind? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 28, 2022, 04:00:34 PM
Back in the day, this was a fertile land, both for humor as well as for the trolling of simple minds.

Just starting this thread, and the rest of your post is going against the "forum posting rules"!

You know you are hiding in the shade, trolling and pushing for this thread to be locked 🔒 🤣 😂 😅 🙄

Outside of every election season and Flame Warriors 🔥 Forums starting up because people couldn't participate by the rules that HTC (HiTech's company) sticky post at the top of every forum on the message boards....

As NB (NoBaddy) would always reply when some player (in-game) or Username on the message boards would whine  about getting warned / muted  or having their post  / reply  edited / removed......

"Well, It's HT's "SANDBOX" !

The Lemmings, dweebs, still wet behind the 👂 ears greenhorns, etc etc ad infinium are not able to follow the  very few rules 😉

Nuff Said!   :old:

TC
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Shuffler on April 28, 2022, 05:00:15 PM
Just starting this thread, and the rest of your post is going against the "forum posting rules"!

You know you are hiding in the shade, trolling and pushing for this thread to be locked 🔒 🤣 😂 😅 🙄

Outside of every election season and Flame Warriors 🔥 Forums starting up because people couldn't participate by the rules that HTC (HiTech's company) sticky post at the top of every forum on the message boards....

As NB (NoBaddy) would always reply when some player (in-game) or Username on the message boards would whine  about getting warned / muted  or having their post  / reply  edited / removed......

"Well, It's HT's "SANDBOX" !

The Lemmings, dweebs, still wet behind the 👂 ears greenhorns, etc etc ad infinium are not able to follow the  very few rules 😉

Nuff Said!   :old:

TC


THIS     (ooop... I said a four letter word)
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: MiloMorai on April 28, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
Just starting this thread, and the rest of your post is going against the "forum posting rules"!

You know you are hiding in the shade, trolling and pushing for this thread to be locked 🔒 🤣 😂 😅 🙄

There are several participants in this thread that are PNGed from here. They even talked about coming back and starting off where they left off when PNGed.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 28, 2022, 11:35:28 PM

HT doesn't have 230 protections,  extrapolate from there.

Does HTC (hitech creations company) offer shares on the stock market?

Is these message boards not by registering to join?  Meaning agreeing to the TOS which includes both the game & the message boards

Meaning that this game & message boards etc.... does not have to abide by the Free Speech 1st amendment or any other amendment

As already mentioned..... This is and has always been HT's SANDBOX (same as his other game before he created this one .....
 by accepting the TOS, each and every player agrees to abide by the way HTC runs & moderates the game and also agrees to follow the forum posting rules...

btw,  I am not perfect,  I have been warned, muted in-game as well as had threads locked and posts/replys edited with the rule I had broken inserted where my original post was....

Is that extrapolated well enough? 🤔
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: MiloMorai on April 28, 2022, 11:40:05 PM
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws that regulate an establishment of religion, or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, or abridge the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 29, 2022, 12:12:27 AM
HT doesn't have 230 protections

My post/reply  was in response to the above....and where 230 protections doesn't apply or work in this particular case.....

With that said.....one could argue the fact that the US government overstepped themselves by creating and passing the 230 protections bill/clause  because  they knew what they were doing and needed this  section in the  bill(law) being the swamp rats they are (all including Republicans Democrats Liberals Conservatives Independents Libertarians and its  & things) are all only for themselves and once they become a part of the Swamp,  very few remember that they are civil servants appointed by voting Americans to represent the people who voted them in....

I  don't agree with some of Elon Musk's beliefs,  but gotta love how he has handled taking over Twitter and then telling all the board of directors that they are FIRED

Anyway....done fell asleep 3 or how ever many times trying to type this and don't even know or care if this particular reply makes sense...I am falling asleep 😴
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Eagler on April 29, 2022, 06:43:47 AM
So if this poster is a shade that had been booted from the board before why aren't his threads locked from the start?

They have only been inflammatory

Eagler
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Max on April 29, 2022, 06:57:49 AM
Anyone else sense the PNG WHUP STICK about to get dusted off?
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on April 29, 2022, 08:23:37 AM
Does HTC (hitech creations company) offer shares on the stock market?

Is these message boards not by registering to join?  Meaning agreeing to the TOS which includes both the game & the message boards

Meaning that this game & message boards etc.... does not have to abide by the Free Speech 1st amendment or any other amendment

As already mentioned..... This is and has always been HT's SANDBOX (same as his other game before he created this one .....
 by accepting the TOS, each and every player agrees to abide by the way HTC runs & moderates the game and also agrees to follow the forum posting rules...

btw,  I am not perfect,  I have been warned, muted in-game as well as had threads locked and posts/replys edited with the rule I had broken inserted where my original post was....

Is that extrapolated well enough? 🤔

My point still stands. If someone were to be offended by some non-correct speech and HT let it stand. HT would be held responsible for that.  I'm not complaining about HT moderation because I understand why he does it. He has to protect his business.  I can't fault the man for that.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Gogolinius on August 21, 2022, 01:15:55 PM
Methinks your 'worth a damn' meter never really worked.  :cool:

You and thinking never made a good pairing.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: guncrasher on August 21, 2022, 01:36:20 PM

HT doesn't have 230 protections,  extrapolate from there.

you should be amazed how many people got banned claiming freedom of expression while being disrespectful.

and me thinks you don't know what 230 protection is.


semp
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: sparky127 on August 21, 2022, 01:40:21 PM
Irony.. Everywhere, irony..
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: 100Coogn on August 21, 2022, 01:50:22 PM
Back in the day, this was a fertile land, both for humor as well as for the trolling of simple minds.

Today, it feels like a battlefield after the smoke has cleared, with the only ones left alive being those who either ducked and hid during the artillery barrages, or those greenhorn replacements who were sent in to clean up afterwards.

So the question is... What happened? Did Skuzzy eliminate everyone worth a damn, or did everyone worth a damn just find something better to do? A combination of the two, perhaps?

Or is the community simply not what it was when this game was still relevant?

Most who are left are just ankle-humpers anyways.

Coogan
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Dichotomy on August 21, 2022, 02:57:08 PM
Of all your options I'd go with C. 

I used to love it when Skuzzy would delete a post and say 'see rule #' and go on with his day unless someone got belligerent and got a vacation. 
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: sparky127 on August 21, 2022, 03:07:12 PM


I used to love it when Skuzzy would delete a post and say 'see rule #' and go on with his day unless someone got belligerent and got a vacation. 

Why's that?
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: bj229r on August 21, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Again....this Forum is a HUGE wealth of gold. Go back to 2002 or so and look at some of the conversations, fascinating 
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on August 21, 2022, 05:16:54 PM
you should be amazed how many people got banned claiming freedom of expression while being disrespectful.

and me thinks you don't know what 230 protection is.


semp

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

oohhhh my sides hurt
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: guncrasher on August 21, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

oohhhh my sides hurt

it was awesome. just as funny as the threads I got muted unfairly suspended.....

semp
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on August 21, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
it was awesome. just as funny as the threads I got muted unfairly suspended.....

semp
Ok I'm not trying to make fun of you. This is a question.

Are you saying, "You got threads muted and suspended." or you were suspended and muted? 

I can't tell by looking at your post.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: -gg- on August 21, 2022, 05:49:49 PM

HT doesn't have 230 protections,  extrapolate from there.

Yes he does.

This is a forum and he hosts published content by a third party, which is us.  Any forum has 230 protections for what the users might post. The only stipulations are that section 230 does not protect against some criminal or some  copyright based claims.

When I started FlameWarriors some people warned me not to allow it to be public because kids might find it. For one, there is not anything that a kid wont find 100 times over anywhere else, but also I am protected by section 230 from what others post.

Basically - it is free speech and parents need to mind their kids, not me and not HTC.

That doesn't mean HTC has to allow free speech. He can have whatever rules and do whatever he wants with any privilege or membership 
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on August 21, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Which makes sucking the fun out even more of a head scratcher.



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Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: guncrasher on August 21, 2022, 06:34:00 PM
Ok I'm not trying to make fun of you. This is a question.

Are you saying, "You got threads muted and suspended." or you were suspended and muted? 

I can't tell by looking at your post.

neither.  the threads from other people that start I was suspended, unfairly muted...

I've been suspended and muted but I’ve never complained about it.  it's not the last post that gets you in trouble it's normally an accumulation of posts.

btw did you know that bb administrators can hover their mouse over any name and see the last posts?


semp
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: knorB on August 21, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
ahh
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: TryHard on August 22, 2022, 07:58:26 PM
and again in 08 when the chosen one there won over experience...lol


Not that I'm taking sides here politically
But won over experience of what?
I think the only experience the "unchosen one" had was leaving the Hanoi Hilton weighing more than when he was captured.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: -gg- on August 22, 2022, 08:06:29 PM
2008 is when flamewarriors.net was born. lots and LOTS of people came over to not me moderated for anything.

Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: bj229r on August 22, 2022, 08:44:12 PM
There was a whole sub forum where squads and individual peeps could have uncluttered purse fights with each other, (which would have been immediately buried here) was frikkin hilarious
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 26, 2022, 12:17:09 PM
2008 is when flamewarriors.net was born. lots and LOTS of people came over to not me moderated for anything.



LMAO!

Stay gold, Ron, stay gold.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: -gg- on August 26, 2022, 12:21:12 PM
LMAO!

Stay gold, Ron, stay gold.

It's Gina now. Big boobed Gina.

🙃
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: sparky127 on August 26, 2022, 01:29:40 PM
LMAO!

Stay gold, Ron, stay gold.

I'm kinda slow...  Clue me into the funny part?
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 26, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
It's Gina now. Big boobed Gina.

🙃

[Keanu]Whoaaaaa...!!![/Keanu]
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 26, 2022, 04:14:39 PM
I'm kinda slow...  Clue me into the funny part?

I could tell but then it wouldn't be funny anymore. Even if I used a feather.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: -gg- on August 26, 2022, 04:16:11 PM
Diablo, come over to ICOM and say hi. I've got my pic as my avatard.

link in my sig,

Good to see you!

Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 26, 2022, 04:26:46 PM
I just registered at ICOM just waiting for administration's approval.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: -gg- on August 26, 2022, 05:10:24 PM
Got you!

:)

Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Elfie on August 27, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
I just registered at ICOM just waiting for administration's approval.

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Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Elfie on August 27, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
IMO, Skuzzy single-handedly killed the O'Club out of a severe dislike for his job as a moderator.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: spudman on August 27, 2022, 04:03:10 PM
Probably still working on methods to ensure the moon keeps orbiting terra firma. Priorities ya know.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: RotBaron on August 27, 2022, 09:20:44 PM
IMO, Skuzzy single-handedly killed the O'Club out of a severe dislike for his job as a moderator.

I’m not sure about the last part of your statement, however I got a 2 week vacay for posting a link to an article that the Thunderbirds Air Show was cancelled at Luke AFB. No warnings or posts of mine had been moderated prior…

The link mentioned the Prez at the time and how other Air Shows were/being cancelled. However, my post was that the couple members I had spoke with about meeting up there - it wasn’t going to be possible and I wouldn’t be able to go to Nellis. No intention of making it a verboten debate/didn’t think it would be perceived that way…

Less heavy hand would have just inserted “Rule #…” and locked it.
Title: Re: What Ruined The O'Club?
Post by: Elfie on August 28, 2022, 11:27:57 AM
I’m not sure about the last part of your statement, however I got a 2 week vacay for posting a link to an article that the Thunderbirds Air Show was cancelled at Luke AFB. No warnings or posts of mine had been moderated prior…

The link mentioned the Prez at the time and how other Air Shows were/being cancelled. However, my post was that the couple members I had spoke with about meeting up there - it wasn’t going to be possible and I wouldn’t be able to go to Nellis. No intention of making it a verboten debate/didn’t think it would be perceived that way…

Less heavy hand would have just inserted “Rule #…” and locked it.

Skuzzy hated his job as a moderator and said so many times. Your experience is the same many others had with his moderation.

He wasn't even that good at tech support in my experience. I'm surprised Dale kept him around as long as he did.