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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on July 23, 2001, 06:04:00 PM
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These two aircraft would be great additions to the AH plane set. It would be great to see them both added in AH v1.08.
Messerschmitt Me 410A-1/U2 Hornisse
Type: Two Seat Heavy Fighter
Powerplant: Two 1,750 hp Damlier-Benz DB 603A.
Performance: Maximum speed 388 mph at 21,980 ft; Cruising Speed 364 mph; Service Ceiling 32,810 ft.
Climb Rate: Climb to 22,000 ft in 10 min 42 sec
Range: 1,050 miles with internal fuel.
Weight: Empty 16,600 lbs; Typical 24,800 lbs.
Dimensions: Span 53 ft 7.75 in; length 40 ft 11.5 in; height 14 ft 0.5 in; wing area 390 sq.ft; Empty Wing Loading 42 lbs/sq.ft; Typical Wing Loading 63 lbs/sq.ft.
Armament: Two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon with 350 rounds per gun and two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon with 250 rounds per gun and two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns with 1,000 rounds per gun fixed forward and two 13mm MG 131 trainable lateral-firing machine guns in remote controlled power-operated FDSL barbettes on the sides of the fuselage with 500 rounds each.
Ordinance: Two 500kg bombs in the bomb bay and external racks for two 500kg bombs or two 1,000kg bombs.
Ruestatz External Gun Packs: R2 Fitted with an additional two 30mm MK 108 cannon; R3 Fitted with an additional two 30mm MK 103 cannon; R4 Fitted with an additional two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon; R5 Fitted with an additional four 20mm MG 151/20 cannon.
De Havilland Mosquito FB.Mk VI Series 2
Type: Two Seat Fighter/Bomber
Powerplant: Two 1,635 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 25 engines.
Performance: Maximum Speed 380 mph at 13,000 ft; Maximum Speed 345 mph at Sea Level; Cruising Speed 325 mph at 15,000 ft; Cruising Speed 296 mph at Sea Level; Service Ceiling 33,000 ft.
Climb Rate: Initial climb rate of 2,870 ft per minute
Range: 1,120 miles with internal fuel.
Weight: Empty 14,300 lbs; Max Takeoff 22,300 lbs.
Dimensions: Span 54 ft 2 in; Length 40 ft 6 in; Height 15 ft 3.5 in; Wing Area 454 sq.ft; Empty Wing Loading 31 lbs/sq.ft; Max Takeoff Wing Loading 49 lbs/sq.ft.
Armament: Four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon with 150 rounds per gun or an overload of 175 rounds per gun and four .303 Browning machine guns with 500 rounds per gun or an overload of 780 rounds per gun.
Ordinance: Two 250 lb bombs or two 500 lb bombs in the bomb bay and external racks for two 250 lb bombs or two 500 lb bombs or two mines or two depth charges or two 50 Imperial gallon drop tanks or two 100 Imperial gallon drop tanks or eight 60 lb rockets or eight 60 lb rockets and two 50 Imperial gallon drop tanks or two Imperial 100 gallon drop tanks.
Your thoughts?
Thanks.
[ 07-23-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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these 2 aircraft would be very very very nice to have!
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F4F-3 (1.6MB pdf d/l) (http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f4f-4.pdf)
-SW
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B-model with DB603G engines and you got a deal.
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I'd love to have both of those in the game!
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SWulfe,
What does the Wildcat have to do with the Me410 and Mosquito? It doesn't even serve close to the same role.
Why request yet another American aircraft, in this case one that would add nearly nothing to the game due to the presence of the Hellcat, in a thread about two completely different aircraft?
If you are interested in the F4F-3 Wildcat, start a thread pertaining to it.
Thanks.
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He already did that. Now he's infecting other threads with his evil Wildcat plans for world domination!
Btw, I assume you remove your sig when posting in threads not pertaining to the Mosquito?
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Juzz,
No, but I don't seek out threads about other aircraft only to post a request for an entirely different aircraft in the body of my message. I especially don't do so without even mentioning anything about the aircraft the thread is about.
He could have simply said something like "No, I don't think that either the Me410 or Mosquito should be added. Neither will bring anything to the MA and there are enough German and British aircraft already. I would prefer HTC to work on other things."
But instead he hijacked the thread.
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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I'd love to see the Mosquito added. Vroooooooom! (er, no. I'm not 10 :p )
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The difference between me posting "I don't think these aircraft will be used much in the MA, but for scenarios they may be great" and me simply posting a link to a PDF document about F4F-3 is that you don't have to read it/download it if you don't want to.
I didn't hijack this thread, I threw in what I think would be a better plane for the MA. It was used in WB a lot, why not here?
Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled uber fest.
EDIT: And as Juzz pointed out I did start my own thread, in the proper forum: Aircraft and Vehicles! :D
-SW
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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SWulfe,
An explanation of why you put that info in here makes it much more understandable.
Yes, I saw the thread on the F4F.
These are both 1943 aircraft. Nothing "Uber" about them.
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Karnak:
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Why request yet another American aircraft, in this case one that would add nearly nothing to the game due to the presence of the Hellcat, ....
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Lol, I can't believe you said we don't need the Wildcat because we already have the Hellcat!
I'd rather have the F4F than almost any other plane that could be added, or that we already have.
anRky
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They're both more uber than a F4F-3! :)
Not like it matters whether or not I "hijack" this thread, HTC adds planes as they see fit.
-SW
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Swulfe,
Yeah, but a A6M2 is ubėr compared to an F4F-3. :)
Yes, HTC will add aircraft as they see fit, but you and I, like many others, will express what we would like to see. Maybe you'll get lucky in 1.08, maybe I will, most likely something else entirely will be added.
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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I was just throwing in a pitch for my airplane in addition to these planes. Otherwise I would of said "instead please model this..."
Don't worry Karnak, I'm not a one plane monger... the more the better. I just like me some Wildcat the most! ;)
-SW
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Mossie & ME410, would indeed be good to see, but I wonder if such a sensable addition will come, judged buy previous aircraft choices?.
Marcof.
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Ding_Hao,
Can you provide performance and armament options data for the Me410B? I can't find any data on it.
I'm curios and would like to compare it with the Me410A.
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I'd love to see the 410. Great jabo plane and bomber destroyer (given enough time to climb). Wasnt there also a version with a 50mm cannon?
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Regurge,
Yes, both the Me410 and Mosquito have a "big gun" version.
The Me410 has a version with a 50mm gun and 20 rounds, IIRC.
The Mosquito FB.XVIII is an FB.VI with the 4 20mm cannon replaced with a single 57mm Mollins gun with 27 rounds.
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Ok Karnak, here it comes.
Messerschmitt Me-410 B-2
Engines-- 2 Diamler-Benz DB-603G inverted Vees, rated @ 1900 HP each
Empty Weight-- 17,598 pounds
T/O weight-- 24,772 pounds
Max. Level Speed-- 392 MPH @ 26,575 Ft, 364 MPH @ 13,125 Ft.
Cruising Speed-- 370 MPH
Endurance-- 2 hours, 24 mins.
Climbs to 26,245 ft. w/ full weapons loadout in 22 mins, 30 secs.
All other stats identical to the A model Hornisse.
Armements, model B-2
U2 factory conversion-- added weapons pallet of 2x20mm MG 151/20's
U4 factory conversion-- added 2x30mm Mk 108's and 1 50mm BK-5 (this armament replaced the normal foward firing battery of 2x7.92mm MG's and 2x20mm cannons)
The following field conversion sets were compatible ONLY w/ the U2 factory conversion set and these aren't cumulative...u can only have 1 field conversion at once.
U2/R2-- added 2x30mm Mk 108's
U2/R3-- added 2x30mm Mk 103's
U2/R4-- added 2x20mm MG 151/20's
U2/R5-- added 4x20mm MG 151/20's
Note: the A-1 and B-1 models were "Schnellbombers", or Fast bombers, and the A-2 and B-2 models were heavy fighters and bomber destroyers.
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He-219A-0 to A-7
Engines: usually 2 DB603G's inverted vee 12 1900 HP
Weight: A-7 empty 24,682 lbs. Loaded 33750 lbs.
Performance: A-7 max speed 418 mph
initial climb rate: 1804 f/m
ceiling: 41,660 ft.
Armament: A-7 two Mk 108 (30mm) wing roots
two Mk 108 & two MG/151 20mm
in tray. Plus two Mk108 in
Scharge Musik array. (optional)
The first 6 sorties flown with these beasts accounted for 20 RAF Bomber kills with 6 being the previously immune Mosquito
He-219 was described as being highly maneuverable, fast and lethal.
Me-410 was spitfire fodder compared to the Uhu (He-219) :D
Source: German, Italian and Japanese Fighters of World War II
Author: Bill Gunston
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Forgot some kits for the Me410, some of them flew with the 50mm gun, some with a special rocket pod, wich caused alot of trouble before they could get it right, no known combat reports with the rockets though.
Had numerous more, although the ones you mentioned were the most common :)
The ME410 would be great to add, the Uhu would probarly do better in the MA though, considering it's got a high speed and one cruel armement, I vote for both :)
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Ding_Hao,
Thanks.
I think you guys are missing the point. We don't need another Luftwaffe fighter, we have lots. We need a Luftwaffe fighter-bomber. The Me410A-1 and Me410B-1 both have forward firing guns, but in addition they can act as effective strike aircraft. Right now only the USAAF and USN have effective strike aircraft, even the Typhoon is poor when compared with the F4U-1D, F4U-1C, F6F-5, P-38L, P-47D-25 and P-47D-30. The Mosquito FB.VI and, especially, the Me410A-1 or Me410B-1 would add effective strike aircraft to the roster of non-American nations.
We don't want the heavy fighter version of the Me410, that would be nearly useless.
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Karnak--NP and just call me Ding.
The main reason why these planes are excellent additions is because of RAW FIREPOWER. Though they wont be much use as a heavy fighter or bomber destroyer, that still is no reason not to include the 50mm option. The Me-410 would be the equal of the Il-2 (a tank killer) w/ the addition of a strike capability.
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Ding,
I agree, I would like to see the big gun versions of both.
A Panzer IV'd respect a 50mm or 57mm cannon alot more I think.
Once the basic airframe is in AH, HTC has an easier time adding new versions. Look at the Fw190s, Bf109s and P-47s for examples of that.