General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: HollyWood750 on June 11, 2022, 05:12:42 PM
Title: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on June 11, 2022, 05:12:42 PM
Interesting problem here. When I'm flying, everything looks clear. Film playback, everything looks clear. But if I use Bandicam/Fraps/OBS/Whatever to record from film playback, the results look like crap. I've tried upping frame rates, etc, and followed the suggestions on the appropriate websites. I did blame it on the video card I was using (AMD RX570 with 4 GB of ram), but I installed an EVGA FTW3 3080 with 12GB of ram last week, and I can't see a difference in recording results. I have not tried any of the programs while in-game, because recordable moments can be far-between, but suspect the results would be the same. I guess I need to try it though. Will do that shortly.
Any suggestions? :salute
Thanks!
HlyWd
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: Drano on June 11, 2022, 08:08:12 PM
All depends on the quality settings used in your software. Any of them will produce a great looking video. But if you're worried about the file size and dial back on the quality it's gonna prolly be crappy looking (pixelated, washed out). File type is another factor. An uncompressed avi is a higher quality file. Other types like mp4 compress the video to save space. Best you can do is make the best compromise between your quality settings and your hard drive space. Higher KBs will produce better quality video.
Same rules apply when streaming. Use the highest KBs your bandwidth can accommodate for the best looking stream.
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Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 12, 2022, 09:23:39 AM
I use the twitch studio app
really easy to set up and the quality is good.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: Drano on June 12, 2022, 09:42:05 AM
Yeah but it's all about the bit rate. Higher bit rate =better quality but also= larger file size. That's just how it works. Just about any software you might use to do this has these adjustments. Also, be sure to select constant bit rate. That and a 4k vid file will be larger than a 1080p file.
But the best laid plans really get trashed when you upload your video to someplace like YT. You notice it'll say "processing" for maybe a lot longer than it took to upload. They're compressing your video themselves before posting it. So it's important to upload a higher quality video knowing they're gonna knock it down a few pegs anyway.
Noticeable things might be dots you saw in the distance in your video when you put it together not being visible when viewed on YT. That kind of thing. So aim a little higher uploading to compensate. Uploading a marginal quality video is really gonna look bad by the time they're done with it!
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Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on June 12, 2022, 02:11:48 PM
Thanks Drano, Darkwood! :cheers:
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: RichardDarkwood on June 12, 2022, 03:36:23 PM
Twitch studio records in Mp4 format so it is easier to work with.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on June 12, 2022, 10:15:47 PM
If you have an Nvdia graphics card you can use Shadow Play. It's really easy and you don't have to worry about settings too much.
With OBS there are a thousand different settings and it takes a lot of trial and error to fiqure out what's correct.
I just use Shadow Play and record from my cockpit. You can also run AH Film Viewer and record using Shadow Play.
If your thinking about getting a graphics card, this would be a big reason to get an NVIDIA one.
This is what my latest video looks like for comparison.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: Chalenge on June 13, 2022, 09:20:34 PM
The best way is to use a dedicated capture card on a second system using lossless formats/data rates. Then you can edit it down to whatever bitrate you want, but then YouTube settings will give you jaggies and blurriness again.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on June 19, 2022, 03:57:25 PM
Did you try your new settings yet.
I'm interested to know what you find out?
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: LCADolby on June 20, 2022, 01:19:20 PM
Best way I found was to film AH, is to do it from the film viewer at half or quarter speed at 72FPS. Then to speed up the footage in your editing software to the actual speed or slightly over.
One of my settings is x0.28 recorded in AH Filmviewer and Play at x4.0in Vegas
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on June 20, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
Interesting Dolby.
Why would you do that?
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: LCADolby on June 21, 2022, 05:21:05 PM
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on July 04, 2022, 12:06:00 PM
Results- I tried some changes. Seems to look best in Shadowplay, but it is recording the whole desktop, including the film viewer, not just the video window. Still looking through settings. Thanks for all the advice. :rock
HW
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on July 04, 2022, 11:29:41 PM
Yeah. I just play the film viewer and move the camera around while recording in shadow play. Then in the editing software I zoom in so you can’t see the windows and controls. Obviously this is not the best for quality. But in terms of time to make your video it’s pretty good.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on July 06, 2022, 07:08:17 AM
Tried your method, and realized it's the output of the editing program (Movie Studio Platinum 17) that looks like crap. The source video recorded from Shadowplay is fine.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on July 07, 2022, 06:46:32 PM
You might want to try premier elements from adobe to edit with. You can buy it outright $80 so you don't need a subscription and they have presets for all the social media and devices so that your render is appropriate for whatever you are uploading to.
It's a lot easier to use than the flagship premier program as well.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on July 13, 2022, 08:28:17 AM
I'll look at the Adobe stuff. Thanks for the recommendation! Currently, this seems to be about the best I can get using Shadowplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDQjWPXzhE
:salute
HW
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: sanfordpaul on July 13, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
That's not bad. The next step is to get YouTube to use the best codec for your video. YouTube has two codecs that they use to process your video ac1 and vp9. You want the vp9 codec. Unfortunately, youtube will only use vp9 for videos that get lots of hits OR videos rendered at 4k. So what I do is record at 1080p but then render the video at 4k. This forces youtube to use the vp9 codec.
Looks like this:
The downside is file sizes of course. Also, youtube will first process your video into ac1 which takes about an hour. Then it will process it into vp9 which can take one to two days. You can see which codec is being used by right clicking on the video and clicking stats for nerds.
I would experiment with that and see what you can get.
Title: Re: Question on film quality
Post by: HollyWood750 on July 13, 2022, 01:19:22 PM
Cool! Thanks for the tips. And just realized I can make the film viewer go full screen... doh.