Must be slow and boring days over at ICOM. That is what happens when all the members post the same stuff.
Even though I don't ever go to FW anymore, I'm happy that you aren't there posting about Trump anymore. You were like the only one and you never shut up about Trump. So what you're saying here is kind of ironic.
I'll bet you're still having withdrawels
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 14, 2022, 10:09:20 PM
This is Dale's house, sweetheart. His rules. He might even give some leeway if it can be presented maturely. :)
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 14, 2022, 10:20:12 PM
So why are you here, hall monitor?
I know Dale. I know what the rules are. No one likes a busybody. Take a hike.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 14, 2022, 10:21:49 PM
Who's monitoring who now? :old:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 14, 2022, 10:26:38 PM
Even though I don't ever go to FW anymore, I'm happy that you aren't there posting about Trump anymore. You were like the only one and you never shut up about Trump. So what you're saying here is kind of ironic.
I'll bet you're still having withdrawels
:rolleyes:
I can understand why you don't go there anymore because I hear that they don't like those of the LGBTQIA.
Withdrawal, nope. tRump once said he like his supporters uneducated and FW sure was that. :rofl
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: knorB on June 14, 2022, 10:34:46 PM
Didn't work, did it? So, libs are more intelligent than tRumpsters.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: guncrasher on June 14, 2022, 11:50:38 PM
gina, just watched 30 seconds of the video. but do please tell which rights have been taken after every shooting? because we only have so many rights and there's been like hundreds of shooting.
so enlighten me. and be specific like I once posted on your own forum.
you should be worried more about what's going on and somebody taking your own rights to dress as you wish or wear what you want. to me that's not a biggie, but to others, let's just say they wish you would go away. me on the other hand, you are cool but you are playing for the ones who will actually wish you wouldnt be around. and that is the truth.
semp
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: zack1234 on June 15, 2022, 01:46:49 AM
Not watched video
No need
Some chick wanting to be relevant
Shula smith Firestone one of America’s most radical feminists.
She also wrote a book of her time in a mental asylum…fact
1 nil to me liberal
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2022, 03:19:17 AM
For those who won’t watch it:
In a nutshell what this woman points out is that the average liberal’s mind is so entrenched and closed to the opposing point of view that it’s entirely pointless to engage them in any socio-political conversation or debate.
They think, speak and behave from an emotional frame of mind, facts and truth are totally irrelevant.
Conservatives present their point of view endlessly with no result because the emotional appeal/argument has blocked the ability to critically think regarding anything socio-political.
As I heard Denis Prager conclude many years ago, conservatives try to convince others to their point of view, liberals tell you what your point of view needs to be.
She’d be better served to drop ‘tard’ however, her unapologetic attitude is refreshing; Candace Owens, Michelle Malkin without the polish and poise.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2022, 03:24:34 AM
Didn't work, did it? So, libs are more intelligent than tRumpsters.
They obviously think they are
I mean look at nancy and chuck ...two of our brightest in dc lol
Not a great example as they are all from the same corrupt form and are the source of the division...as they need it to divide as to keep us distracted...and it works!
Eagler
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 06:45:14 AM
In a nutshell what this woman points out is that the average liberal’s mind is so entrenched and closed to the opposing point of view that it’s entirely pointless to engage them in any socio-political conversation or debate.
They think, speak and behave from an emotional frame of mind, facts and truth are totally irrelevant.
Conservatives present their point of view endlessly with no result because the emotional appeal/argument has blocked the ability to critically think regarding anything socio-political.
As I heard Denis Prager conclude many years ago, conservatives try to convince others to their point of view, liberals tell you what your point of view needs to be.
She’d be better served to drop ‘tard’ however, her unapologetic attitude is refreshing; Candace Owens, Michelle Malkin without the polish and poise.
Everywhere he goes he trolls endlessly with the same childish behavior. He is actually doing a great job of illustrating the woman's point in the video. Militantly childish and incapable of having an adult level conversation.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
Well, since the game of video political 'point making' has been started, here's a video that both (or more?) political/emotional sides will claim.
:old: :)
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: decoy on June 15, 2022, 08:19:29 AM
As I heard Denis Prager conclude many years ago, conservatives try to convince others to their point of view, liberals tell you what your point of view needs to be.
She’d be better served to drop ‘tard’ however, her unapologetic attitude is refreshing; Candace Owens, Michelle Malkin without the polish and poise.
Good summary. I had the same takeaways.
As for Dennis Prager, when Donald Trump declared for the presidency, Prager described him as a 'Bull who carries his own china shop around with him." Dennis Prager is one of my favorites.
I also agree that dropping the 'libtard' label would be productive. People who refer to me as a 'republitard' or a 'conservatard' immediately lose credibility with me.
Good post, Gina. The point of the video is made by a collateral thread here on 'gun violence/gun control' which has essentially devolved into name calling.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 08:43:00 AM
Well, since the game of video political 'point making' has been started, here's a video that both (or more?) political/emotional sides will claim
:old: :)
Bonhoeffer had a small insight into what Authoritarian regimes do to retain power. In the bigger picture, the power of individualism and democracy revolves around truth. The power around Authoritarian states revolves around the ability of the take away the individualism of it's citizens and replace it with group think. The only way to do that is to diminish the value of truth which we see daily in our country which is concerning. Every Authoritarianism based government from now fascists Russia to China on down the line. They all rely on Mass Formation Psychosis to repress individualism that might challenge the power of the few.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
And then there is the group think of the BIG lie which is destroying the democratic process not just in the USofA but in all democratic countries.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
And then there is the group think of the BIG lie which is destroying the democratic process not just in the USofA but in all democratic countries.
Sure is now that politicians wanting authoritarian power have been able to work the social media Oligarchs to diminish free speech and thus the power of democracy, we have slid further towards Authoritarianism globally. Meanwhile we have clowns still trying to distract the conversation by trolling false narratives like you do everywhere you go.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Eagler on June 15, 2022, 09:09:55 AM
I find the theory explained in 2000mules.com very interesting
Eagler
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
I see long floppy ears is still trolling. So :(.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 09:18:54 AM
As for Dennis Prager, when Donald Trump declared for the presidency, Prager described him as a 'Bull who carries his own china shop around with him." Dennis Prager is one of my favorites.
I also agree that dropping the 'libtard' label would be productive. People who refer to me as a 'republitard' or a 'conservatard' immediately lose credibility with me.
Good post, Gina. The point of the video is made by a collateral thread here on 'gun violence/gun control' which has essentially devolved into name calling.
Name calling = Nothing credible to say, and emotionally out of control.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 15, 2022, 09:32:24 AM
someone PM'd me and told me that I support the people who don't want me around. People who are against people like me. Really?
I think the people who are the biggest threat to me are the ones who removed my right to carry a gun for self defense in California, and the ones who want to maker that happen everywhere.
The people that I consider the biggest threat are the ones turning this country into a clown show. Allowing illogical fruit-loops to be in charge of things based entirely on the color of their skin or sexual preference. These are dangerous people. Destabilizing the world with weakness.
The people who want to tax the living hell out of me are a threat. The ones who want to control discourse if you don't agree with them. Those are the people who I consider to be after people like me.
If you support the idea that homeless people should be allowed to carp on the streets and camp on sidewalks, I am against you. I you want to take my money and give it to illegals, that is a threat to me.
Look at any large city run my certain people. I live in Los Angeles. Try San Francisco. They turned those places into outdoor toilets
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Eagler on June 15, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
Trolling is deliberately calling other Trumptards and other childish behavior repeated over and over again instead of having adult levels of conversation based on the recognition of basic facts. The term has a clear definition and almost all of your posts historically fit that definition. That is why you even got banned from sites that that value free speech over most all else. You are simply that destructive in your behavior and that is not even mentioning the homophobic hate filled private messages that eventually got you banned.
Have you ever considered being sincere and introspective in your behavior? You could contribute productively to the world yet consistently prefer the cheap thrill of trolling. That really does not speak well of who you are when it comes down to it.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: morfiend on June 15, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzFCS72QIA
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: knorB on June 15, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
In a nutshell what this woman points out is that the average liberal’s mind is so entrenched and closed to the opposing point of view that it’s entirely pointless to engage them in any socio-political conversation or debate.
They think, speak and behave from an emotional frame of mind, facts and truth are totally irrelevant.
Conservatives present their point of view endlessly with no result because the emotional appeal/argument has blocked the ability to critically think regarding anything socio-political.
As I heard Denis Prager conclude many years ago, conservatives try to convince others to their point of view, liberals tell you what your point of view needs to be.
She’d be better served to drop ‘tard’ however, her unapologetic attitude is refreshing; Candace Owens, Michelle Malkin without the polish and poise.
Does anyone else ever question what the net result of total polarization will be? 'Tard is grossly over-used when referring to the "other side". Talking with the "other side" is out of the question. Compromise is a dirty word. Consider that the opposition are also American citizens.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 12:48:00 PM
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/libtard/
And it appears to be the precursor to any political '_____tard' use (so, unfortunately, anyone claiming they resorted to it as a response to being called the obverse is rather late to the 'party').
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 12:51:16 PM
Trolling is deliberately calling other Trumptards and other childish behavior repeated over and over again instead of having adult levels of conversation based on the recognition of basic facts. The term has a clear definition and almost all of your posts historically fit that definition. That is why you even got banned from sites that that value free speech over most all else. You are simply that destructive in your behavior and that is not even mentioning the homophobic hate filled private messages that eventually got you banned.
Have you ever considered being sincere and introspective in your behavior? You could contribute productively to the world yet consistently prefer the cheap thrill of trolling. That really does not speak well of who you are when it comes down to it.
I understand that FW has one thread after another about Biden, err Brandon to use the FW word.. As for tRumptards, if they showed even one iota of intelligence, well...
Free speech, LOL. I understand that the new Prez Press Spokesperson had many derogatory statements made about her.
You should be worried about PMs being read by those who are not in the conversation. FW is full of female dog about freedom of speech being stifled.
"childish behavior repeated over and over again instead of having adult levels of conversation" Is that directed at the Cuban and redneck hillbilly?
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 12:55:46 PM
I understand that FW has one thread after another about Biden, err Brandon to use the FW word.. As for tRumptards, if they showed even one iota of intelligence, well...
Free speech, LOL. I understand that the new Prez Press Spokesperson had many derogatory statements made about her.
You should be worried about PMs being read by those who are not in the conversation. FW is full of female dog about freedom of speech being stifled.
"childish behavior repeated over and over again instead of having adult levels of conversation" Is that directed at the Cuban and redneck hillbilly?
What I wrote was sincere and accurate. Lying to deflect does not change that. For the record, this behavior of yours is simply tiresome and a waste of everyone's time. It's sad that you chose this course of action instead of so many others.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: morfiend on June 15, 2022, 01:03:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIMWkvvu_aQ
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 01:08:07 PM
What I wrote was sincere and accurate. Lying to deflect does not change that. For the record, this behavior of yours is simply tiresome and a waste of everyone's time. It's sad that you chose this course of action instead of so many others.
You lie almost as much as Trump. If Trump cultist showed any intelligence they would get an appropriate response.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: nrshida on June 15, 2022, 01:08:44 PM
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 01:09:55 PM
Road to nowhere.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 01:14:25 PM
You lie almost as much as Trump. If Trump cultist showed any intelligence they would get an appropriate response.
Well. you have done a great job of making my point. The irony of me not being much of a trump fan and you constantly going to the same dishonest play makes this even more absurd.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
Well. you have done a great job of making my point. The irony of me not being much of a trump fan and you constantly going to the same dishonest play makes this even more absurd.
May this moment of supposed peace and clarity (though full of irony) on your part last more than thirty minutes (though I wouldn't advise anyone to wager on it). I've seen posts from you that make 'knorB's' and Gina's appear rational, serine and peace-loving. :old:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 01:43:58 PM
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 02:00:53 PM
May this moment of supposed peace and clarity (though full of irony) on your part last more than thirty minutes (though I wouldn't advise anyone to wager on it). I've seen posts from you that make 'knorB's' and Gina's appear rational, serine and peace-loving. :old:
By all means, quote away. Show us the offending irrational, "serine" and peace hating.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: nrshida on June 15, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
A people who default to blocking out any disagreeable concept whie simultaneously seeking out and assimilating 'points' which support their already entrenched ideas (which seem to be readily supplied by a divisive media) can only lead to a society with a disastrous dynamic outcome. You should know that in realms where thought is valued this is recognized as vacuous and worthless pattern of reasoning. In many of those domains questioning yourself is done FIRST and CONTINUALLY. Some of you are so sure you are right, and so combatitive about it too. A society is not made out of millions of people who are the centre of the Universe. Your perception of your Universe is not the reality of your Universe.
Frankly the music videos in this thread are a far less waste of everyone's time than this tired, predictable back and forth.
Let's all join hands and sing...
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 15, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
A people who default to blocking out any disagreeable concept whie simultaneously seeking out and assimilating 'points' which support their already entrenched ideas (which seem to be readily supplied by a divisive media) can only lead to a society with a disastrous dynamic outcome. You should know that in realms where thought is valued this is recognized as vacuous and worthless pattern of reasoning. In many of those domains questioning yourself is done FIRST and CONTINUALLY.
This is spot on and I applaud you for mentioning it. The problem we often run into is when there are people, like Milo ( for example ) has shown us again in this thread, who do nothing but constantly antagonize conversations which shuts down any chance of constructive facts based conversation. There isn't many people here but it's mostly the dysfunctional ones as the others have simply moved on. Hence, few conversations have much constructive value. For the record, I found the use of the word "libtard" to be counter productive as well.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 04:23:14 PM
A people who default to blocking out any disagreeable concept while simultaneously seeking out and assimilating 'points' which support their already entrenched ideas (which seem to be readily supplied by a divisive media) can only lead to a society with a disastrous dynamic outcome.
The description of the Trump cultists. :aok
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Busher on June 15, 2022, 04:57:44 PM
I understand that FW has one thread after another about Biden, err Brandon to use the FW word.. As for tRumptards, if they showed even one iota of intelligence, well...
Free speech, LOL. I understand that the new Prez Press Spokesperson had many derogatory statements made about her.
You should be worried about PMs being read by those who are not in the conversation. FW is full of female dog about freedom of speech being stifled.
"childish behavior repeated over and over again instead of having adult levels of conversation" Is that directed at the Cuban and redneck hillbilly?
Could it be because Biden is president? I don't remember seeing people posting about Obama after he wasn't president.
You have a one-track mind that can't be derailed. It's Trump and Trump and Trump.. you offer nothing to any conversation that I've ever seen
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2022, 07:40:24 PM
As for Dennis Prager, when Donald Trump declared for the presidency, Prager described him as a 'Bull who carries his own china shop around with him." Dennis Prager is one of my favorites.
:aok
I don’t have much opportunity to listen to much talk radio at the moment and haven’t for awhile unfortunately, but he was definitely tops when I did, Mike Gallagher too and of course the Greatest one ever.
I really used to like Hugh Hewitt until 2008 & 2012 when he had all kinds of explanations for two of the worst run campaigns in history and he had predicted them to win. I still have a Newt sticker in the window of my Tacoma.
Mike Broomhead is a local host that is great, his brother was killed in Afghanistan and he provides a unique perspective on our involvement there as he became passionate about it. https://ktar.com/the-mike-broomhead-show/
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
May this moment of supposed peace and clarity (though full of irony) on your part last more than thirty minutes (though I wouldn't advise anyone to wager on it). I've seen posts from you that make 'knorB's' and Gina's appear rational, serine and peace-loving. :old:
Not that I expect anything, but I too would love to see you post an example of anything I've typed here that you think is irrational.
The reason you are gone from ICOM is that you called me an extremist with nothing to back it up (I asked) and also for being such an imbecilic irritant.
I like people. I don't really care what anyone's beliefs are. I do care when someone is just an unpleasant boob.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 08:41:13 PM
What better way to see the forest? BTW, USians make comments about other countries and their leaders.
Yup they got conned by the Master of the Con but they came to their senses.
😂 You know so very little about him then. Seems like your knowledge extends to a 5 year period of MSM coverage.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 15, 2022, 09:09:40 PM
I really don't want to pick on anybody, but I just want to add that people like Milo and Arlo would never behave here like they did on my forum.
Ice cream on Mars is moderated. The idea is for people to be friendly and to have fun over there. Some people just don't get that, yet they stay over here and they tow the line like good little boys.
Their true nature comes out when they feel there are no rules.
I'm exactly the same here as I am anywhere. I try to be honest and I don't seek to go out of my way to be an ass.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 09:11:06 PM
Are you aware how much the left, Hollywood etc. was absolutely enamored with him when was a Dem and they believed he was one of them?
I'm from the U.S. and I wouldn't call what you claim accurate, at all. Pretty much the other way. He tried to lay roots with them but then his base grew from his reality shoe fans so Republican he went.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 09:13:18 PM
Not that I expect anything, but I too would love to see you post an example of anything I've typed here that you think is irrational.
The reason you are gone from ICOM is that you called me an extremist with nothing to back it up (I asked) and also for being such an imbecilic irritant.
I like people. I don't really care what anyone's beliefs are. I do care when someone is just an unpleasant boob.
Who said it had to be here (though there are times your thin skin is evident)? As to the rest ... mnah ... you very much care and you get very pissy. But that's ok. :)
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 15, 2022, 09:15:43 PM
someone PM'd me and told me that I support the people who don't want me around. People who are against people like me. Really?
I think the people who are the biggest threat to me are the ones who removed my right to carry a gun for self defense in California, and the ones who want to maker that happen everywhere.
He’s blind to the fact that an Antifa or BLM event might be life threatening to you if they saw that you don’t support all of their bs and that you’re conservative.
You don’t conform to their narrative and that upends their agenda. They’d attack you verbally and probably physically I have no doubt like Andy Ngo has been.
In social media I’d bet they think of you as a traitor or have even called you such as they have to any minority that opposes their socio-political POV. They’ve even gone as far as to say Justice Thomas “isn’t really black” :headscratch:
The “party of tolerance” :uhoh
Another Dennis Prager quote (one of the best I’ve ever heard too), ‘they want heterogeneity in everything except thought, only homogeneous thinking is acceptable.’
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 09:19:35 PM
I really don't want to pick on anybody, but I just want to add that people like Milo and Arlo would never behave here like they did on my forum.
Ice cream on Mars is moderated. The idea is for people to be friendly and to have fun over there. Some people just don't get that, yet they stay over here and they tow the line like good little boys.
Their true nature comes out when they feel there are no rules.
I'm exactly the same here as I am anywhere. I try to be honest and I don't seek to go out of my way to be an ass.
Yup, tow the party line or get the boot at ICOM and FW.
You think your PMs are private at ICOM and FW, think again. gina reads them.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
He’s blind to the fact that an Antifa or BLM event might be life threatening to you if they saw that you don’t support all of their bs and that you’re conservative.
You don’t conform to their narrative and that upends their agenda. They’d attack you verbally and probably physically I have no doubt like Andy Ngo has been.
In social media I’d bet they think of you as a traitor or have even called you such as they have to any minority that opposes their socio-political POV. They’ve even gone as far as to say Justice Thomas “isn’t really black” :headscratch:
The “party of tolerance” :uhoh
Another Dennis Prager quote (one of the best I’ve ever heard too), ‘they want heterogeneity in everything except thought, only homogeneous thinking is acceptable.’
What group is dangerous to gina?
Members of the Patriot Front, a group the Southern Poverty Law Center described as a “white nationalist hate group,” were arrested downtown near a Pride in the Park event when police pulled over a U-Haul truck and found the members inside, with riot gear and at least one smoke grenade. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coeur-dalene-hate-group-arrests-extend-north-idahos-long-history-with-extremism/ar-AAYu7Zc?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2022, 09:40:49 PM
Members of the Patriot Front, a group the Southern Poverty Law Center described as a “white nationalist hate group,” were arrested downtown near a Pride in the Park event when police pulled over a U-Haul truck and found the members inside, with riot gear and at least one smoke grenade. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coeur-dalene-hate-group-arrests-extend-north-idahos-long-history-with-extremism/ar-AAYu7Zc?ocid=uxbndlbing
1st Amendment violation actually.
Charged with “conspiracy to riot”, which I’d bet doesn’t hold up with this particular incident.
Not one weapon was found…
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 15, 2022, 10:21:17 PM
You missed. Gina would bein danger with those far Right guys.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: zack1234 on June 16, 2022, 01:45:59 AM
someone PM'd me and told me that I support the people who don't want me around. People who are against people like me. Really?
I think the people who are the biggest threat to me are the ones who removed my right to carry a gun for self defense in California, and the ones who want to maker that happen everywhere.
The people that I consider the biggest threat are the ones turning this country into a clown show. Allowing illogical fruit-loops to be in charge of things based entirely on the color of their skin or sexual preference. These are dangerous people. Destabilizing the world with weakness.
The people who want to tax the living hell out of me are a threat. The ones who want to control discourse if you don't agree with them. Those are the people who I consider to be after people like me.
If you support the idea that homeless people should be allowed to carp on the streets and camp on sidewalks, I am against you. I you want to take my money and give it to illegals, that is a threat to me.
Look at any large city run my certain people. I live in Los Angeles. Try San Francisco. They turned those places into outdoor toilets
i pm you that gina. see ronald reagan, republicans and oh my god not the nra and some democrats, supporter the law that says we cannot open carry. oh my god it was the black guys carrying weapons according to the law. we gotta stop that.
it's called the mulford act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
semp
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: guncrasher on June 16, 2022, 02:29:58 AM
I really don't want to pick on anybody, but I just want to add that people like Milo and Arlo would never behave here like they did on my forum.
Ice cream on Mars is moderated. The idea is for people to be friendly and to have fun over there. Some people just don't get that, yet they stay over here and they tow the line like good little boys.
Their true nature comes out when they feel there are no rules.
I'm exactly the same here as I am anywhere. I try to be honest and I don't seek to go out of my way to be an ass.
no gina is moderator according if you support trump.
semp
edit: by the way I actually went to san Fransisco with my youngest son. wanted really to see by myself that another pig brother say that's the way it was. 8 am. walked around not a single dump, not saying I walked the whole city but we walked around not one dump. perhaps, i should have walked around at 6am before the cleaned it up
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 16, 2022, 04:03:04 AM
You missed. Gina would bein danger with those far Right guys.
I missed what?
How would she be in danger with them?
In looking them up I have yet to find any instance of them being convicted for violence. If you have a link showing them being convicted of violence while representing their group please post (some random bar fight with hearsay does not count).
I do not support what they believe, only supporting their 1st Amendment rights along with the rest of their rights as provided by the US Constitution.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 16, 2022, 04:05:41 AM
^ double posted.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: RotBaron on June 16, 2022, 04:09:55 AM
In case you’ve never actually read them:
The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Eagler on June 16, 2022, 05:53:28 AM
Spoilt paranoid liberals flogging a dead horse because the US economy is in the Toilet and China are in charge…fact
If you have investments based on Chinese labour you ARE a traitor to your country….Fact
You are a Traitor!
Levi’s jeans are made in?…..China
Obama put race relations back 50 years, his wife goes on tours, for doing what?
White liberal women fawning over Obama because their manicurist and home help voted for him :rofl
Biden and Clinton were good friends with leaders of the KKK…Fact
Best thing on TV was that physco Hilary falling over, how dare the masses not do as they are told
White women voting for a woman because she was a Woman :rofl
China and Russia do as they please, because the US is worried about Polar bears and Lady boys.
Oh no the world must be ending!
More zach facts I agree 100% with!
Eagler
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 07:12:39 AM
Yes, I'm aware of the mulford act. It was a bipartisan act. Introduced by a Republican and signed by Republican Governor but passed by a majority Democrat controlled government..
That doesn't change the fact that it's liberals that are constantly going after gun rights. That doesn't change the fact that liberals are the ones that are the threat to me not Republicans..
And I'm a moderator at icom. I run the place I own the place. And I clearly stated that the places to have fun and to be good to each other. Those are the stipulations. You can have any political view you want but if you are an ass, you're going to be gone. Are you gone semp? No you're not are you? I didn't ban you.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 07:23:06 AM
I wanted to add that the mulford act didn't outright ban people from carrying guns in public. It banned people from carrying guns in public openly without a license.
There are lots of conservative areas in California where you can carry a gun and you will get a license. Not in any liberal areas though.
That's not excusing the mulford act though. That was an irrational reaction to the black panthers. I mean they were openly going into courthouse and stocking police officers carrying weapons. They wanted to stop that and I can see why. Any rational person would want to stop an armed gang from doing what they were doing.
But it's dishonest for anyone to come here and say that the reason people cannot carry guns in California is because of Ronald Reagan..
Every single time any form of gun control comes up, I would say it's probably 100% Democrats trying to do it.
Democrats are also the ones that tax the crap out of me. They take money from me and give it to derelicts. Or themselves.
Yeah, San Francisco is a nice clean place samp. That's a riot right there.
I drive into Los Angeles almost every day. I would be more than happy to post a video of my drive along the routes I travel. Nothing but crap everywhere. People living in tents with garbage all over the streets people in tents on sidewalks on overpasses under the highway passes graffiti everywhere. And they even allow people to crap on the street. That is a fact..
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: decoy on June 16, 2022, 07:36:03 AM
You missed. Gina would bein danger with those far Right guys.
You don't get any further right than me. If G. Gordon Liddy isn't conservative enough for you, there's me. And yet I'm neither racist, misogynistic, a white supremacist, or any kind of ---phobe. But understand, I like Gina for how she is, not for who she is. Her identity is important, because it makes her unique. But because of how she is, I get to hear all sorts of stuff I would never hear if I lived in an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 07:54:23 AM
G. Gordon Liddy, there's a name drop. He had an interesting career :uhoh :bolt:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: knorB on June 16, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
You don't get any further right than me. If G. Gordon Liddy isn't conservative enough for you, there's me. And yet I'm neither racist, misogynistic, a white supremacist, or any kind of ---phobe. But understand, I like Gina for how she is, not for who she is. Her identity is important, because it makes her unique. But because of how she is, I get to hear all sorts of stuff I would never hear if I lived in an echo chamber.
Thank you.
I'm a simple person. Not one of those that puts my status in anyone's face. I'm just a normal person and I live a normal life.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 08:04:06 AM
Whatever I say about Liberals, I do not think of individual people as my enemy. I like people and I don't care what beliefs they might have. I get along with anyone and people like me. I like people. I have a lot of fun interacting with my customers almost every day. Rarely do politics ever come up.
But ideologically, I believe that liberalism is mostly detrimental to myself and to this country. All you have to do is look around or listen to what they would like to do. In most cases, I could not be more opposed.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 08:26:44 AM
Whatever I say about Liberals, I do not think of individual people as my enemy. I like people and I don't care what beliefs they might have. I get along with anyone and people like me. I like people. I have a lot of fun interacting with my customers almost every day. Rarely do politics ever come up.
But ideologically, I believe that liberalism is mostly detrimental to myself and to this country. All you have to do is look around or listen to what they would like to do. In most cases, I could not be more opposed.
What always strikes me is the predominance of bigotry which prevades what has become modern day "liberals". Look at all the judgmentalism in this thread and pretty much all of it is from the self described liberals. They are so sure of how bigoted the people they label and judge are that they can't possibly consider that their perception of those people is mostly the product of propaganda from their own echo chamber. I miss the old days when Liberalism and Libertarianism used to be nearly one and them same.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 08:37:34 AM
(Asks RR to watch Gina's 'good points' video [again?] and point out the supposed lack of hypocrisy evident in this political thread designed to 'own the libtards.') :banana:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 08:44:17 AM
What always strikes me is the predominance of bigotry which prevades what has become modern day "liberals". Look at all the judgmentalism in this thread and pretty much all of it is from the self described liberals. They are so sure of how bigoted the people they label and judge are that they can't possibly consider that their perception of those people is mostly the product of propaganda from their own echo chamber. I miss the old days when Liberalism and Libertarianism used to be nearly one and them same.
I know that most people at FW are big-time conservative. I came out to them... when they knew me for some 15 years as a man. Most of them easily accepted me. I would say almost everyone did.
Of the few liberals on that forum, two of them said nasty things about me.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 08:46:11 AM
But ideologically, I believe that liberalism is mostly detrimental to myself and to this country.
I do not get involved in political discussions here for many reasons. One is that I find most people here incapable of having the type of discussion I wish to have. The level of intellect and legitimate knowledge about political science and economics is wanting. An obvious deterrent for me is that it is against the rules. Having incriminated myself, I will continue to my point.
Liberalism is a funny word. In your sentence, it seems to be broad. But, it can be quite specific. Many Americans see Democrats as liberals. That's fair to a point, but the relationship is an umbrella. Like rectangles, Democrats are many shapes under a common umbrella. This is the downfall and the shortcomings of a bicameral system. There are many factions in both parties and many factions in the Democratic party despise the neoliberal movement because of its attachment to free enterprise as it pertains to liberties, among many others. The entire American population is liberal on some level. Think about the original ideas of liberalism and who was perpetuating it: Locke, Montesquieu, Madison, Jefferson (in many aspects but not all), Hobson, Constant. What exists now in American politics is not the same for we have achieved it. This is a liberal country where people have protected liberties and are represented properly. The "ideology" you mention and are referring to is what we call neoliberalism. It goes steps further than the simple ideas of due process, freedom of press, and social services.
On an economic and ideological level, neoliberalism is indeed destroying the state. Less regulation in the market, less state functionality in public sectors (which essentially means privatization of public institutions), all justified by the concept of freedom and application of said concept on an economic level. In what way is that leftist? That's not where my left-leaning tendencies take me. More capitalism is not what I signed up for yet much of the Democratic Party is neoliberal. In many areas, the most conservative economic models are aligned with neoliberal models (privatization, unregulated markets, tax cuts up top, basically all the fundamental Reaganomic foundations). For economically savvy Americans the problem is not one side or the other, it is both. So long as the wealthy are in control of policy, the lower class will get lower and the middle will continue to disappear.
Yet, people get all wound up about rights and liberties, inclusion, etc. Those are not pressing issues at all. People who are oppressive will get punished and that will always be the case. The issue is the dollar and how it makes its way around our country.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 16, 2022, 09:03:24 AM
In looking them up I have yet to find any instance of them being convicted for violence. If you have a link showing them being convicted of violence while representing their group please post (some random bar fight with hearsay does not count).
I do not support what they believe, only supporting their 1st Amendment rights along with the rest of their rights as provided by the US Constitution.
You think there would have been no gay bashing if they had got to the parade?
Patriot Front is an American white nationalist and neo-fascist hate group.
According to the Anti-Defamation League, the group generated 82% of the racist, antisemitic, and other hateful propaganda in 2021 across the United States, comprising 3,992 incidents in every state except Hawaii and Alaska.[
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Eagler on June 16, 2022, 09:06:44 AM
Tools used by our leaders to divide..and thus control us much more easily
Race Religion Abortion Wealth Sexual preference Politics and the latest one...covid
All while they make themselves richer destroying our financial system
DC is just two sides of the same coin flipped occasionally to help one side feel better over the other but nothing truly changes
And is why all the hub bub with tv trial to insure another outsider doesn't expose their corrupt party ever again..
Eagler
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:08:32 AM
When you say 'our leaders' who are you attempting to specifically avoid talking about? :old:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 16, 2022, 09:11:16 AM
I do not get involved in political discussions here for many reasons. One is that I find most people here incapable of having the type of discussion I wish to have. The level of intellect and legitimate knowledge about political science and economics is wanting. An obvious deterrent for me is that it is against the rules. Having incriminated myself, I will continue to my point.
Liberalism is a funny word. In your sentence, it seems to be broad. But, it can be quite specific. Many Americans see Democrats as liberals. That's fair to a point, but the relationship is an umbrella. Like rectangles, Democrats are many shapes under a common umbrella. This is the downfall and the shortcomings of a bicameral system. There are many factions in both parties and many factions in the Democratic party despise the neoliberal movement because of its attachment to free enterprise as it pertains to liberties, among many others. The entire American population is liberal on some level. Think about the original ideas of liberalism and who was perpetuating it: Locke, Montesquieu, Madison, Jefferson (in many aspects but not all), Hobson, Constant. What exists now in American politics is not the same for we have achieved it. This is a liberal country where people have protected liberties and are represented properly. The "ideology" you mention and are referring to is what we call neoliberalism. It goes steps further than the simple ideas of due process, freedom of press, and social services.
On an economic and ideological level, neoliberalism is indeed destroying the state. Less regulation in the market, less state functionality in public sectors (which essentially means privatization of public institutions), all justified by the concept of freedom and application of said concept on an economic level. In what way is that leftist? That's not where my left-leaning tendencies take me. More capitalism is not what I signed up for yet much of the Democratic Party is neoliberal. In many areas, the most conservative economic models are aligned with neoliberal models (privatization, unregulated markets, tax cuts up top, basically all the fundamental Reaganomic foundations). For economically savvy Americans the problem is not one side or the other, it is both. So long as the wealthy are in control of policy, the lower class will get lower and the middle will continue to disappear.
Yet, people get all wound up about rights and liberties, inclusion, etc. Those are not pressing issues at all. People who are oppressive will get punished and that will always be the case. The issue is the dollar and how it makes its way around our country.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. It's not just one side or the other, black and white, all the time.
For the most part, Democrats and the people in power on that side support and promote issues and agendas that I oppose. It's that simple. There are basically only two sides in American politics and even though no side is all good or bad, I haver to choose a side. I base my views on issues and what affects me.
I do not like politics.
On political discussion, I feel that it's fine when people are rational and mature enough to make actual points and arguments. A lot of people can't do that though.
I have run a forum since 2008. I allow people to say what they want. even about me. I have tough skin and high tolerance. I think only three people have been banned in 14 years. I think that when people want to shut other opinions down we all lose. You do have to put up with a lot of garbage in allowing that though.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 09:16:24 AM
I do not get involved in political discussions here for many reasons. One is that I find most people here incapable of having the type of discussion I wish to have. The level of intellect and legitimate knowledge about political science and economics is wanting. An obvious deterrent for me is that it is against the rules. Having incriminated myself, I will continue to my point.
Liberalism is a funny word. In your sentence, it seems to be broad. But, it can be quite specific. Many Americans see Democrats as liberals. That's fair to a point, but the relationship is an umbrella. Like rectangles, Democrats are many shapes under a common umbrella. This is the downfall and the shortcomings of a bicameral system. There are many factions in both parties and many factions in the Democratic party despise the neoliberal movement because of its attachment to free enterprise as it pertains to liberties, among many others. The entire American population is liberal on some level. Think about the original ideas of liberalism and who was perpetuating it: Locke, Montesquieu, Madison, Jefferson (in many aspects but not all), Hobson, Constant. What exists now in American politics is not the same for we have achieved it. This is a liberal country where people have protected liberties and are represented properly. The "ideology" you mention and are referring to is what we call neoliberalism. It goes steps further than the simple ideas of due process, freedom of press, and social services.
On an economic and ideological level, neoliberalism is indeed destroying the state. Less regulation in the market, less state functionality in public sectors (which essentially means privatization of public institutions), all justified by the concept of freedom and application of said concept on an economic level. In what way is that leftist? That's not where my left-leaning tendencies take me. More capitalism is not what I signed up for yet much of the Democratic Party is neoliberal. In many areas, the most conservative economic models are aligned with neoliberal models (privatization, unregulated markets, tax cuts up top, basically all the fundamental Reaganomic foundations). For economically savvy Americans the problem is not one side or the other, it is both. So long as the wealthy are in control of policy, the lower class will get lower and the middle will continue to disappear.
Yet, people get all wound up about rights and liberties, inclusion, etc. Those are not pressing issues at all. People who are oppressive will get punished and that will always be the case. The issue is the dollar and how it makes its way around our country.
I think you may find it easier to associate the terms Liberal and Conservative as relative terms. Those who we identify as Liberal are those who want to make substantial fundamental changes to the status quo vs those labeled Conservative would be OK with the status quo. They are both labels and few fit the label entirely which is why I said they are relative terms.
Liberalism and Libertarianism are different terms as Libertarianism, which used to be closely associated with Liberalism, is an actual fundamental view on societal structure and is an inverse of Authoritarianism.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:17:35 AM
I think that when people want to shut other opinions down we all lose.
Here is the challenge with that. If that person has no interest in a factual and reasoned discussion and is essentially running a propaganda campaign or simply a mouth breathing turd thrower then what value do they add to the equation? While the ideal is great, in practice some people are simply forum cancer that make the ideal lost in the incessant dysfunction of the offender.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 09:22:01 AM
For the most part, Democrats and the people in power on that side support and promote issues and agendas that I oppose. It's that simple. There are basically only two sides in American politics and even though no side is all good or bad, I haver to choose a side. I base my views on issues and what affects me.
No, you don't have to choose a side. I have no side and I dislike most agendum. "There are basically two sides" is only somewhat correct. Again, shortcomings of bicameral system. But, to say that one side is right and the other is wrong is preposterous. My entire point is that those issues you likely referred to are not important in the grand scheme of our country. The two sides are diluted on many issues. To say that one side is ruining the country is immature and an uninformed statement. My point in posting is to educate and warn that making these kinds of blanket statements does not have a good look. The educated voter needs to see through these issues that aren't important and get some true economic reformers in seats.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
I think you may find it easier to associate the terms Liberal and Conservative as relative terms. Those who we identify as Liberal are those who want to make substantial fundamental changes to the status quo vs those labeled Conservative would be OK with the status quo. They are both labels and few fit the label entirely which is why I said they are relative terms.
Liberalism and Libertarianism are different terms as Libertarianism, which used to be closely associated with Liberalism, is an actual fundamental view on societal structure and is an inverse of Authoritarianism.
The USofA was formed/created due to liberals. Without liberals you all would still be swing from tree branches.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 09:26:25 AM
I think you may find it easier to associate the terms Liberal and Conservative as relative terms. Those who we identify as Liberal are those who want to make substantial fundamental changes to the status quo vs those labeled Conservative would be OK with the status quo. They are both labels and few fit the label entirely which is why I said they are relative terms.
Liberalism and Libertarianism are different terms as Libertarianism, which used to be closely associated with Liberalism, is an actual fundamental view on societal structure and is an inverse of Authoritarianism.
Yea sure I know what people are referring to when they say "liberal." But, it is an inaccurate term, plain and simple. It is a misnomer, no matter what you say. Those who identify as liberal are uninformed. The true definition of a liberal would see every non-autocratic American identify as a liberal. The country is already liberal and has been since the Civil Rights Act, I'd say although that is debatable. But, the idea of creating a liberal nation was that of the founding fathers in the 1770s.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 09:28:35 AM
It's sad that you lack the capacity to understand what I wrote and how your post is irrelevant to it.
So sad you are. It is liberals that make the world go round.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:33:14 AM
I'm seeing a fair degree of 'I'm a victim' on the conservative side that doesn't synch up with reality (from the 'good points' video on). But then, it's rather trendy as of late.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 09:33:20 AM
Yea sure I know what people are referring to when they say "liberal." But, it is an inaccurate term, plain and simple. It is a misnomer, no matter what you say. Those who identify as liberal are uninformed. The true definition of a liberal would see every non-autocratic American identify as a liberal. The country is already liberal and has been since the Civil Rights Act, I'd say although that is debatable. But, the idea of creating a liberal nation was that of the founding fathers in the 1770s.
The founding fathers did indeed want profound change and would fit the definition of Liberal that I provided. The Tories would also fit the definition of Conservative that I provided. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you are trying to fit a round peg in a square hole and wondering why it does not fit. If you find yourself in that position it best to rethink your processes.
I think people very commonly misuse the term liberal.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:35:10 AM
I think people very commonly misuse the term liberal.
Oh, I know they do (even while projecting that flaw on others).
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 09:39:10 AM
In terms of voting you do indeed have to choose a side unless you don't want to vote at all. I mostly choose not to vote at all anymore. I know that's going to be demonized but that's me.
On most political issues there are two sides. You are voting for one person or the other. Sure there might be a field of people that are involved that aren't associated with either side, but they have no actual chance of ever making it through the election.. so you have to choose a side.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 09:41:58 AM
Go join my other forum called flame warriors. You can say whatever you want there all day long. I created icom to be a different place and it was stated up front that it was moderated. You fail to follow the rules. You were an irritant and you were abrasive towards me for no reason at all. I got rid of you for the good of the forum not because it personally affected me at all. You will never understand that though. And this is probably one of the few times I will interact with you because you add nothing to anything
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:42:04 AM
Oh, I know they do (even while projecting that flaw on others).
You are a only slightly less childish troll than Milo. In all honesty, I could not care less about what you think about anything so there is no value in wasting other peoples time trolling me.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 09:50:30 AM
You are a only slightly less childish troll than Milo. In all honesty, I could not care less about what you think about anything so there is no value in wasting other peoples time trolling me.
Obviously. Thanks for your response. :cool:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
I'm simply doing the community a favor so others don't have to scroll past your trolls in addition to Milo's. In all fairness to you though, when not involving your dogmatic and bigoted politics you can have some decent posts.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 10:02:55 AM
I'm simply doing the community a favor so others don't have to scroll past your trolls in addition to Milo's. In all fairness to you though, when not involving your dogmatic and bigoted politics you can have some decent posts.
Your 'community mindedness' is ... ummm ... noted. Once again, thank you. ;)
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 10:10:30 AM
The founding fathers did indeed want profound change and would fit the definition of Liberal that I provided. The Tories would also fit the definition of Conservative that I provided. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you are trying to fit a round peg in a square hole and wondering why it does not fit. If you find yourself in that position it best to rethink your processes.
I think people very commonly misuse the term liberal.
It seems like you are claiming liberals are people who want change. That is not always the case and is not the definition of a liberal. In some cases it is applicable, but "wanting change" is not an ideology. It is only relative to the status quo, as you aforementioned. Liberalism has its own ideology that is not built upon change.
I was simply pointing out that it is not black and white, blanket statements are dangerous. Not interested in a semantics debate, although I addressed the semantics of the discussion.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 10:12:22 AM
By the way, while you're specifically trying to protect (or identify) trollish behavior here in this forum would you mind dropping by the jukebox? If so, thanks. A good paladin is hard to find and seldom appreciated. I appreciate you, though. :old:
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
It seems like you are claiming liberals are people who want change. That is not always the case and is not the definition of a liberal. In some cases it is applicable, but "wanting change" is not an ideology. It is only relative to the status quo, as you aforementioned. Liberalism has its own ideology that is not built upon change.
I was simply pointing out that it is not black and white, blanket statements are dangerous. Not interested in a semantics debate, although I addressed the semantics of the discussion.
The term 'progressive' has even a more specific meaning. Occasionally some seem to detest it as much, if not more, than liberal.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: perdue3 on June 16, 2022, 10:20:32 AM
It seems like you are claiming liberals are people who want change. That is not always the case and is not the definition of a liberal. In some cases it is applicable, but "wanting change" is not an ideology. It is only relative to the status quo, as you aforementioned. Liberalism has its own ideology that is not built upon change.
I was simply pointing out that it is not black and white, blanket statements are dangerous. Not interested in a semantics debate, although I addressed the semantics of the discussion.
Fair enough, how would you define Progressive then? Would you define it as I ascribed it to Liberal? Not trying to pick you apart, I'm interested in clarifying the use of terms as I agree with what you said about terms being loosely used.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: -gg- on June 16, 2022, 11:08:29 AM
Isn't it just semantics? I would say that the things going on in the Democratic party are pretty much progressive liberalism.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: MiloMorai on June 16, 2022, 11:13:48 AM
Fair enough, how would you define Progressive then? Would you define it as I ascribed it to Liberal? Not trying to pick you apart, I'm interested in clarifying the use of terms as I agree with what you said about terms being loosely used.
What is a Progressive Conservative?
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: rabbidrabbit on June 16, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
Isn't it just semantics? I would say that the things going on in the Democratic party are pretty much progressive liberalism.
If it was just semantics why would we say progressive liberalism instead of just progressive or liberal?
I think terms often get jumbled and that confuses the conversation. For example, what is Left or Right? Neither term is an actual ideology is it? They are relativistic terms that change with time and circumstance.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: Arlo on June 16, 2022, 11:30:01 AM
Nope, a Canadian political party that wasn't stuck in the Stone Age.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: knorB on June 16, 2022, 07:33:26 PM
Oxymoron... emphasis on the moron.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: knorB on June 16, 2022, 07:36:35 PM
progressive prə-grĕs′ĭv adjective Moving forward; advancing. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments. Open to or favoring new ideas, policies, or methods.
conservative kən-sûr′və-tĭv adjective Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. Traditional or restrained in style. Moderate; cautious.
oxymoron ŏk″sē-môr′ŏn″ noun A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist. In rhetoric, a figure consisting in adding to a word an epithet or qualification apparently contradictory; in general, close connection of two words seemingly opposed to each other (as, cruel kindness; to make haste slowly); an expression made epigrammatic or pointed by seeming self-contradictory. A figure in which an epithet of a contrary signification is added to a word; e. g., cruel kindness; laborious idleness.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: sparky127 on June 16, 2022, 10:21:59 PM
Confirmation Bias; you gots it.
Title: Re: Lots of good points!
Post by: sparky127 on July 06, 2022, 12:22:00 PM