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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: Tig on July 29, 2022, 12:37:14 PM
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Watch it through, and watch his tracers when I'm below him on his 6.
When I'm behind him, his chin turret is firing down and back at me.
When I'm in front of him, his tail turret is firing down and forwards at me.
Be aware.
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Please stop with the cheating threads...
It's called internet lag
Eagler
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It's called internet lag
Every single time? Over half a dozen intercepts? With at least three people all seeing the same thing every time? Caught on film?
I'll admit it's possible there's some sort of lag I haven't seen yet, but this is just getting ridiculous.
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Stop cheating threads. Send the film to dale.
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You CANT prove anything posting a film. What you see from your computer is NOT what he sees from his. All gun/tracers are "approximations" and are not necessarily what is happening. From his point of view his guns were all pointing the right way and only those with a shot on you fire and count hits.
You would have to see his film to have half a chance to see whats going on. HTC can get more data out of the films that is why it is recommended that you send the film in to them with the complaint. They will look at it and if anything if "funny" they will handle it. You most likely will NOT hear back from then on whether or not any action was taken. The only way you will know is if you never see that player again.
As for the film, you got too close coming in from a very bad angle. Climb out ahead of him not getting closer than 2K when you have a couple K of alt out front of his 3-9 line make slashing diving attacks. Far saver against even a good shot.
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Watch it through, and watch his tracers when I'm below him on his 6.
When I'm behind him, his chin turret is firing down and back at me.
When I'm in front of him, his tail turret is firing down and forwards at me.
Be aware.
This is nonsense. You aren't watching gun film, your PC is drawing you a picture of a simulation subject to internet travel time.
You're getting shot because you're in the worst possible position to attack a bomber formation.
Never make accusations without definite proof and even then make them privately as per rule 7.
Asking questions is good. Making accusations is bad.
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Just wait til this guy runs across 999!
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Don't feel picked on here, Tig. Cheat threads are as old as the game. Such claims are rarely what the complainant thinks they are. There's a reason it was put into TOS to not do what you're doing and to send it in to HTC via email. Well, more than one.
On the off chance you actually did witness/describe a cheat then it would then be publicly spread through the community (and that simply makes things worse).
Chances are it is lag or some other harmless thing (as suggested by others) and vilifying another player on the forum (or on 200) does no good for anyone.
:salute
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. Cheat threads are as old as the game. Such claims are rarely what the complainant thinks they are.
yeah cuz NO ONE ever CHEATS in this game. This is the only game on the internet where there is no cheating what so ever.
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yeah cuz NO ONE ever CHEATS in this game. This is the only game on the internet where there is no cheating what so ever.
I see your living up to your last name, your one of those "the glass is half empty" kind of guys. 99.9% of the players in this game including me and you, are not smart enough to cheat. As everyone says, yelling cheat, is the easiest way to explain ones failure.
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I see your living up to your last name, your one of those "the glass is half empty" kind of guys. 99.9% of the players in this game including me and you, are not smart enough to cheat. As everyone says, yelling cheat, is the easiest way to explain ones failure.
My glass is 1/2 full Ken
Some people will go out of the way to get an edge, not all but some. I have seen it in this game in the past and I mean last year.
I am just stating the facts. It is human nature. I work in construction and humans will put a ton of energy into keeping from being caught doing unsafe things than if they just did the safety practices. That same thing goes for gaming and it will always be that way. More effort into getting an edge on the opponent that practicing your butt off to be better at something.
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My glass is 1/2 full Ken
Some people will go out of the way to get an edge, not all but some. I have seen it in this game in the past and I mean last year.
I am just stating the facts. It is human nature. I work in construction and humans will put a ton of energy into keeping from being caught doing unsafe things than if they just did the safety practices. That same thing goes for gaming and it will always be that way. More effort into getting an edge on the opponent that practicing your butt off to be better at something.
Well I have to agree with you there. Case in point, I was advised today, that the "tribe" (players) have decided that the "hiding in buildings" exploit has been approved and anyone can use it. Putting it bluntly, IMO, its cheating at worst and unethical at best. That is what will finally kill this game. To sum it up, theologically, it all boils down to the Depravity of Man. That is what you have described. <S>
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Well I have to agree with you there. Case in point, I was advised today, that the "tribe" (players) have decided that the "hiding in buildings" exploit has been approved and anyone can use it. Putting it bluntly, IMO, its cheating at worst and unethical at best. That is what will finally kill this game. To sum it up, theologically, it all boils down to the Depravity of Man. That is what you have described. <S>
I agree, it is annoying when someone hides in a building and you get whacked without even knowing someone is even close. My understanding of WWII tank battles was that they were pretty fluid, but do you know if anyone ever actually did what people do in the game? It seems reasonable that a real life tanker would try to maximize his advantage according to the terrain.
As for whether it's a glitch in the game or not, has HiTech ever said, one way or the other, if the game is designed to allow that or not? I would have to know HiTech's opinion of it and go with whatever he says.
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Every single time? Over half a dozen intercepts?
Yes. It's a constant. I see this basically against all bombers I am attacking, because overall lag is the sum of both players lag (and yes, we all have some).
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Last night great a2a with my 109g2 with gonds and a spit 16..
I was down to just bb's..
Went round and round until he hit a tree
My <S> good fights gets a not sure why my 20mmm didn't cause you damage ....
I didn't recall any good hit from him but he saw one at least...
It's called the internet...it's why you need to lead your shots more or less depending on how the lag is at the moment
It's why one plane can fly away from a collision without any damage while the other plane is destroyed
Eagler
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It's called the internet...it's why you need to lead your shots more or less depending on how the lag is at the moment
This is not correct. If it was that way, I could hardly hit anyone, nor could anyone reliably hit me.
All shooting is resolved on the shooters front end. You shoot at what you see, and if you hit on your screen, the hit/damage information is transferred to your enemy and applied to his plane. As this can take 'a while', you may sometimes experience getting hit while seemingly past your enemy's guns, or with tracers passing your six and you still getting hit.
But when you are doing the shooting, it's full 'what you see is what you get'. The combined lag involved has no impact on it, and you don't have to adjust your aimpoint according to "lag" (which you never really know anyway).
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...nor could anyone reliably hit me.
I barely reliably hit you as it is. :D :grin: :azn:
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As Lusche said, you shoot at targets on your computer, you got shot at on somebody else's computer.
The effect of internet travel time of data is that the bandit on your 6 is closer to you on the bandit's computer than he appears on your computer.
This means that bandits in the rear view may have a better shot angle than they appear to have.
This works both ways so you get the same advantage when you are behind the bandit.
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There has to be a collision on your FE to recieve damage. The FE with no collision flys away. Because of that lag only one of the two FEs will "see" the collision.
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We're talking about 'collisions' with enemy fire but it's the same mechanism.
The OP's target isn't shooting at him on his PC, it just looks like that. Tig is getting shot on somebody else's PC, then the results are sent to Tig's PC and applied to his target. That's where the delay is apparent and looks odd.
Eagler sees the delay but applies it to shooting where it isn't a factor.
Now they both know better. :aok
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This is not correct. If it was that way, I could hardly hit anyone, nor could anyone reliably hit me.
All shooting is resolved on the shooters front end. You shoot at what you see, and if you hit on your screen, the hit/damage information is transferred to your enemy and applied to his plane. As this can take 'a while', you may sometimes experience getting hit while seemingly past your enemy's guns, or with tracers passing your six and you still getting hit.
But when you are doing the shooting, it's full 'what you see is what you get'. The combined lag involved has no impact on it, and you don't have to adjust your aimpoint according to "lag" (which you never really know anyway).
Excellent explanation Snailman. :rock
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Watch it through, and watch his tracers when I'm below him on his 6.
When I'm behind him, his chin turret is firing down and back at me.
When I'm in front of him, his tail turret is firing down and forwards at me.
Be aware.
Next time your on look me up, we'll up 152s together and go for a buff hunt. You'd be surprised how vulnerable these guys are when the right tactics are utilized.
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Watch it through, and watch his tracers when I'm below him on his 6.
When I'm behind him, his chin turret is firing down and back at me.
When I'm in front of him, his tail turret is firing down and forwards at me.
Be aware.
Pretty simple. Email it to HiTech. If it is a cheat, he’ll take care of it, not the forum police.
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Pretty simple. Email it to HiTech. If it is a cheat, he’ll take care of it, not the forum police.
Spot on!
A few years back a couple of friends and I would try and I mean try to fly in formation.The ideas was to do an air show type thing.The problem we discovered was that everyone saw the other guys at different distance,lead would say to close up but the 2 trailing guys would be 30 to 50 yards away and the lead would see them at 75 to 100 yards.
No matter what we tried it was always like that,everyone took a turn at lead and it was the same thing,even the 2 trailers saw different distances. And of course we all had slightly different pings.
When looking back we need that little sing you see in some car mirrors,things may be closer than they appear.