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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dichotomy on July 30, 2022, 09:58:30 AM
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I have no idea why but back in the day when I was on 5 to 7 nights a week I had my most success in the 190.
So just for fun if you decided to go BUFF hunting which version of the 190, loadout, and CV, would you choose?
If this thread takes off I'll come up with another fun 'what if' in a few days :)
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190d or 152. Better speed and climb to intercept and setup angles for shots. Sure the A8 has more firepower and armor but climbs like poo and takes forever to setup survivable angles after you HO a buff. Attacking from direct 6 is suicide against decent gunners.
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A5
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Ta 152 all the way. :airplane:
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If flying fighter only, 152.
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A-5, because I can't resist mixing it up with fighters.
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A-5, because I can't resist mixing it up with fighters.
That was always my downfall Mr. Grafton. I'd be in the absolute wrong platform for a turn fight and get sucked into one. I'm hoping when I return there will an older wiser guy on the stick.
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A-5, because I can't resist mixing it up with fighters.
A5 is definitely a fun ride. For mixing it up ill actually prefer the 152. With its rudder it can make some nice deflection shots and also make up for some of its sluggish roll rates relative to the 190 family. And it can float better.
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A5, 2 x 20mm, as soon as you take off unload the BB's. It makes the nose lighter and your hit flashes are only ever going to be cannons so you get better at shooting them.
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A5, 2 x 20mm, as soon as you take off unload the BB's. It makes the nose lighter and your hit flashes are only ever going to be cannons so you get better at shooting them.
It'd be really nice if we could decide exactly which guns to load and how much ammo to put into them on the ground........
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Ta-152 for me. With enough familiarity it does just fine against fighters, plus anything your rounds connect with dies generally speaking. Plus it's fun.
Wiley.
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A8 with 4X20mm if the target is below 20k.
It's extra armored compared with the A5, and also have 13mm mg's.
Always HO the a 3-plane buff from 10 or 2 oclock, with low speed, you will be able to down 2 buffs in the HO, and fly home with a smoking engine killing the last one from it's 6.
Lancasters at lower altitude can be dealt with in one pass, however at higher altitude (26-30k), they both outturn you and outclimb you with ease.
The A8 buff nemisis is the A20, that both outturn you and will kill you in a turning battle with its gunners with bombs onboard (!) flying in a 3g turn (which of course is nosense).
Also beware of the B26, it is able soak up more damage than any other plane in the game, you will be lucky to kill one and damage another before your engine die from damage.
The A8 is useless in a fighter vs fighter against an experienced pilot typically found in main arena, after they introduced AWACS radar im the arenas.
Almost everything in the sky can outturn you and is also faster, though if you come in at 14k with 300mph nothing can catch you coalt in a near-600mph dive (not even the 262). it is also the best 262 killer in the game if you have speed and alt.
When I was active i set my convergence to 600 yards.
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190a5 or Ta152.
A5 ill load with the 4 cannon package IF I know Ill be running into buffs. Those MGFFs are loaded with 20mm mine rounds which pack a reaaal punch
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190a5 or Ta152.
A5 ill load with the 4 cannon package IF I know Ill be running into buffs. Those MGFFs are loaded with 20mm mine rounds which pack a reaaal punch
unfortunately they do not model minengeschoss in game, else buffs would have a hard day at work.
also the 20mm FF have is own trajectory, as do the mg151 20mm, as does the 7mm mg.
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unfortunately they do not model minengeschoss in game, else buffs would have a hard day at work.
Damn :(. Placebo effect is a powerful thing.
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Which is why I like a pure 20mm (151) package. I lot of people will scream and fuss about hitting you with 20mms, when all they are hitting with the the bb guns. Not only do the Mgs have a different trajectory, they also have a different velocity - the 151/20s are up to 200ms slower. If you do the math, say you fire at a target 400 meters out and hit it with your Mg's, when the Mgs hit the cannon rounds are 89m behind (291 feet).
Plus the extra 20mms add a lot of weight with no much more ammo.
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A8 with 4X20mm if the target is below 20k.
It's extra armored compared with the A5, and also have 13mm mg's.
Always HO the a 3-plane buff from 10 or 2 oclock, with low speed, you will be able to down 2 buffs in the HO, and fly home with a smoking engine killing the last one from it's 6.
Lancasters at lower altitude can be dealt with in one pass, however at higher altitude (26-30k), they both outturn you and outclimb you with ease.
The A8 buff nemesis is the A20, that both outturn you and will kill you in a turning battle with its gunners with bombs onboard (!) flying in a 3g turn (which of course is nonsense).
In real life, Lanc could reach a maximum speed of 280 miles (450 km) per hour and a ceiling of 24,500 feet (7,500 metres), according to Britannica. (https://www.britannica.com/technology/Lancaster-airplane)
So miracle Lancs and overmodeled buffs exist also here? Pity, those kind of unrealistic miracle kites take the taste away, at least from my mouth. Well, haven't been flying lately for many reasons but planning to start soon.
(https://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=9&p2=31&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
(https://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=9&p2=31&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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In real life, Lanc could reach a maximum speed of 280 miles (450 km) per hour and a ceiling of 24,500 feet (7,500 metres), according to Britannica.
In AH, it is exceptionally rare to find any Lanc over 24k, most players may very well never encounter one. 24K is about the effective ceiling in AH as well.
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In AH, it is exceptionally rare to find any Lanc over 24k, most players may very well never encounter one. 24K is about the effective ceiling in AH as well.
This is the actual ingame time to climb profile for the Lancaster with 50% and 100% fuel:
(https://i.imgur.com/E10kFPi.png)
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My opinion is the 190D9 should be perked to where the 152 use to be. It's the worst most used plane for the game and makes fights very boring in the game.
Depending on the alt and type of bomber, the A8 is the most fun. The A5 will get the job for low alt and slower type bombers.
The 190D for high alt fast bombers.
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IMHO, performance in here should be the same than it was in reality during WW 2. Never read from any Luftwaffe pilot memories (and I have them quite a lot) that Lancs or other boomers were outperforming 190s. Otherwise they didn't need escorts and Bomber Command had very little if any casualties against LW Bf110 and Ju88 night fighters.
Sometimes I have a feeling that certain kites are given extra performance as they are "good Allied" ones against "bad Axis". And not just here.
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fw-190 A8 with big cannons.
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IMHO, performance in here should be the same than it was in reality during WW 2. Never read from any Luftwaffe pilot memories (and I have them quite a lot) that Lancs or other boomers were outperforming 190s. Otherwise they didn't need escorts and Bomber Command had very little if any casualties against LW Bf110 and Ju88 night fighters.
Sometimes I have a feeling that certain kites are given extra performance as they are "good Allied" ones against "bad Axis". And not just here.
As I may have not made clear enough in my first reply, Lancs are not outperforming 190s in AH, and there is nothing as "good Allies" and "bad Axis" in here.
Only occasional players that claim their beloved Luftwaffles or Ponies are "totally undermodeled" because they don't win every fight ;)
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As I may have not made clear enough in my first reply, Lancs are not outperforming 190s in AH, and there is nothing as "good Allies" and "bad Axis" in here.
Only occasional players that claim their beloved Luftwaffles or Ponies are "totally undermodeled" because they don't win every fight ;)
SILENCE with your reason heretic!!!!
LOL I can't count the number of times I 'bested' someone with a 'sub par' ride or got my bellybutton handed to me from the other direction. It aint the platform you're in dude. It's you against the other guy and sometimes you're going to lose. I'm going to amend that statement though. At the end of the day it's 'you against you'. Are you capable of learning from your mistakes? Are you capable of analyzing what someone else did right and you did wrong? Now what are you going to do to keep that from happening again?
In FSO or scenarios I actually cared about whether I lived or died because it affected my team. In the MA, AVA, etc, I couldn't have cared less. I just wanted to have some fun and the crazy thing is I always got a fresh new plane when I 'died' and my subscription stayed at $15.99 a month.
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As I may have not made clear enough in my first reply, Lancs are not outperforming 190s in AH, and there is nothing as "good Allies" and "bad Axis" in here.
You were not the one who claimed Lanc outperforms 190.
A8 with 4X20mm if the target is below 20k.
It's extra armored compared with the A5, and also have 13mm mg's.
Always HO the a 3-plane buff from 10 or 2 oclock, with low speed, you will be able to down 2 buffs in the HO, and fly home with a smoking engine killing the last one from it's 6.
Lancasters at lower altitude can be dealt with in one pass, however at higher altitude (26-30k), they both outturn you and outclimb you with ease.
The A8 buff nemisis is the A20, that both outturn you and will kill you in a turning battle with its gunners with bombs onboard (!) flying in a 3g turn (which of course is nosense).
Just looking at the performance charts I attached earlier, Lanc with its maximum speed of 280 miles (450 km) per hour and a ceiling of 24,500 feet (7,500 metres) should not be able to outturn and outclimb 190 in any conditions, let alone at alts over its max ceiling.
I haven't had Lanc vs. 190 fight yet in AH, as I'm pretty new here and been flying very little. Yesterday Lancs killed my Me410. Was in a tank hunt w/ big gun at low alt, saw Lancs coming in high and intercepted. Tried to sneak under them but con maneuvered smartly and hail from 3 Lancs .303s was too much to take.
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When I get back GT (still a couple months away) let's give it a run. 3 runs each in Lancs vs 190's. Could be a fun way to eat up a weekend afternoon. Just fair warning I'm a horrible fighter 'pilot' and even worse in bombers but we could have a few laughs and both of us might learn a thing or two that could keep us alive when we actually cares :)
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I would take the 152 or the A8, depending. I usually took the 152 unless I knew for sure the bombers were not above 20k, then I'd take the A8 with her 30's.
Regardless of which gal I took, I took 100% fuel every time since intercepting bombers can be a long process, especially against those who were willing to stick around and fight it out.
Convergence I'd set to 400, pushing it out to as far as 600 on the 152 at times.
I was more and more using the 152 though, as she has WEP for ages, climbs like a rocket with it, and had little trouble up high. Plus she had some good power with her guns. I was getting to the point of where I wouldn't let my tail slip out from under me while making some pretty hard maneuvers, or if she did, I could recover fairly quickly and resume the intercept. She's a joy to fly though, and can fight it out better against another fighter than the A8 with her 30's.
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I would take the 152 or the A8, depending. I usually took the 152 unless I knew for sure the bombers were not above 20k, then I'd take the A8 with her 30's.
Regardless of which gal I took, I took 100% fuel every time since intercepting bombers can be a long process, especially against those who were willing to stick around and fight it out.
Convergence I'd set to 400, pushing it out to as far as 600 on the 152 at times.
I was more and more using the 152 though, as she has WEP for ages, climbs like a rocket with it, and had little trouble up high. Plus she had some good power with her guns. I was getting to the point of where I wouldn't let my tail slip out from under me while making some pretty hard maneuvers, or if she did, I could recover fairly quickly and resume the intercept. She's a joy to fly though, and can fight it out better against another fighter than the A8 with her 30's.
It was a blast flying the 152 in the the recent Scenario despite being slower than the P-51 and on-par with the P-47M at the event's altitudes. We found tons of action on the deck with the Allies after the bombers were rtb. Fun to deal with all of the 152's quirkiness low and slow.
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It was a blast flying the 152 in the the recent Scenario despite being slower than the P-51 and on-par with the P-47M at the event's altitudes. We found tons of action on the deck with the Allies after the bombers were rtb. Fun to deal with all of the 152's quirkiness low and slow.
Sukov could make her dance down low. :D I tried to mimic him a couple of times, and that tail...oh boy. Right out from under you, it went. But as I said, more and more it was getting to the point where I could almost do things like that and not have my tail bugger off on me. :joystick: Though I will admit, having the tail slide out from under me has saved my hide a few times. :uhoh
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Sukov could make her dance down low. :D I tried to mimic him a couple of times, and that tail...oh boy. Right out from under you, it went. But as I said, more and more it was getting to the point where I could almost do things like that and not have my tail bugger off on me. :joystick: Though I will admit, having the tail slide out from under me has saved my hide a few times. :uhoh
Oh yeah. When flying and practicing in the MA I couldn't help but just laugh at all the ridiculous crap you could pull with the tail slide and stuff. Very akin to the Dr I in WWI.
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It was a blast flying the 152 in the the recent Scenario despite being slower than the P-51 and on-par with the P-47M at the event's altitudes. We found tons of action on the deck with the Allies after the bombers were rtb. Fun to deal with all of the 152's quirkiness low and slow.
I was surprised we did so well considering we were the slower of most the fighters.
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The 190-A5 is fun for general dog fighting but it only worked for me when I was flying it often. If I don't fly it often wing stalls are common and I die fast. However, you can't beat the gun package and maneuverability.
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and hail from 3 Lancs .303s was too much to take.
Lancs also have 50 cals.
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Did not the latest variants of Lancaster even have 20mm in the rear ?
that would be been a bummer fighters attacking it from 6 position in AH.
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Would be interesting to see Lancaster's turn and climb without bombs, i've seen Lancs dropping bombs when you approached them, or coming back from a bomb-run.
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Would be interesting to see Lancaster's turn and climb without bombs, i've seen Lancs dropping bombs when you approached them, or coming back from a bomb-run.
At 25% fuel and no bombs, the sustained climb of the Lancaster is:
1200 ft/min @15k
1000ft/min @20k
440ft/min @25k
And even when empty, Lancaster struggles a lot past 25k
According to the charts, 190A8 climbs
2700/1900 ft/min @15k
2000/1600 ft/min @20k
1400/1000 ft/min @25k
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Did not the latest variants of Lancaster even have 20mm in the rear ?
that would be been a bummer fighters attacking it from 6 position in AH.
They considered this and even built a prototype setup but it was never used.they used the 50cal turret and mounted the 20mm but it never progressed beyond that.