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Title: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: TryHard on August 03, 2022, 12:02:26 AM
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: save on August 03, 2022, 04:02:57 AM
I see two problems with electric cars:
Infrastructure Much higher weight of electric cars will make collisions more dangerous.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Eagler on August 03, 2022, 07:08:39 AM
Metals needed for new batteries and what to do with the mountains of old ones when they start going bad...
Don't forget about the uncontrollable fires accidents can cause..
And we will still have uncontrollable weather in varying climates as nothing will have changed there..
Eagler
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: FLS on August 03, 2022, 07:52:42 AM
With all the "free power" from spending trillions of dollars on subsidized wind and solar, why is electricity more expensive?
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: MiloMorai on August 03, 2022, 08:13:47 AM
The oil industry subsidies have a long history in the United States. As early as World War I, the government stimulated oil and gas production in order to ensure a domestic supply.
In 1995, Congress established the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act. It allowed oil companies to drill on federal property without paying royalties.15 Ever since, the oil subsidy scene has been on a political yo-yo:
In March 2012, President Obama called for an end to the $4 billion in oil industry subsidies.
In 2018 President Trump's budget increased federal spending for the fossil fuel industry and created tax cuts to effectively eliminate taxes for coal and oil producers.
In January 2021 President Biden made a commitment to oil subsidy reform, but the follow-through is not guaranteed, and is difficult, as the subsidies are mainly embedded in the tax code.
Reducing a tax is not a subsidy. It's just taking less away.
Very good! And now (as Paul Harvey would say) ... the rest of the story ...
"The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually."
With all the "free power" from spending trillions of dollars on subsidized wind and solar, why is electricity more expensive?
right?
Obama said that we would have higher energy prices as he killed off oil, but that it was worth it.
And why would wind and solar need to be subsidized if it was cheaper and worked better?
Do these people even think about the HUGE mining increases that would be required to get everyone into electric vehicles. I mean, probably more mining operations than we are capable of - especially given the regulations on mining.
I'll tell you what I think the end game is.
These "elites" don't want everyone having cars. They don't care if they are prohibitively expensive. They want people using trains and buses. They want people living in cities.
And nothing that they are forcing on us will do one thing to alter the course of climate change. The climate will get warmer and then it will get cooler. Kind of like it always does.
The climate alarmist retards are useful idiots. Do they think that climate change will only go one way? Warmer? Of course not. That's why they stopped using the phrase "global warming"
The fact that they know the climate will also get cooler someday tells you everything you need to know about that scam.
Hint: we cannot stop the climate from doing whatever it wants, but we are goin go tell you that it's our fault and you need to pay, pay and then pay.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: -gg- on August 03, 2022, 08:55:20 AM
That's pretty nice. I love the sound.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Arlo on August 03, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Obama said that we would have higher energy prices as he killed off oil, but that it was worth it.
And why would wind and solar need to be subsidized if it was cheaper and worked better?
Do these people even think about the HUGE mining increases that would be required to get everyone into electric vehicles. I mean, probably more mining operations than we are capable of - especially given the regulations on mining.
I'll tell you what I think the end game is.
These "elites" don't want everyone having cars. They don't care if they are prohibitively expensive. They want people using trains and buses. They want people living in cities.
And nothing that they are forcing on us will do one thing to alter the course of climate change. The climate will get warmer and then it will get cooler. Kind of like it always does.
The climate alarmist retards are useful idiots. Do they think that climate change will only go one way? Warmer? Of course not. That's why they stopped using the phrase "global warming"
The fact that they know the climate will also get cooler someday tells you everything you need to know about that scam.
Hint: we cannot stop the climate from doing whatever it wants, but we are goin go tell you that it's our fault and you need to pay, pay and then pay.
The feels! :D
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: FLS on August 03, 2022, 09:58:44 AM
I recently heard about a powerful enough car equipped with a modern economical engine having speakers in the exhaust pipes to produce music more suitable to the looks and performance.
That reminded me of the 3/4 size P51 replicas equipped with Rotax engine having loudspeakers to produce the original Pony sound.
I wonder why they don't have a big V8 sound pack equipped with Teslas. Maybe when the batteries get better to allow for such waste of energy? That would improve pedestrian safety on zebra crossings as well.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: FLS on August 03, 2022, 12:24:09 PM
You don't need an engine sound, just loop "I'm a vegan" on the sound system and everyone will avoid you.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 03, 2022, 12:53:41 PM
I recently heard about a powerful enough car equipped with a modern economical engine having speakers in the exhaust pipes to produce music more suitable to the looks and performance.
That reminded me of the 3/4 size P51 replicas equipped with Rotax engine having loudspeakers to produce the original Pony sound.
I wonder why they don't have a big V8 sound pack equipped with Teslas. Maybe when the batteries get better to allow for such waste of energy? That would improve pedestrian safety on zebra crossings as well.
Many cars use different techniques to enhance the sound they make,some use a simple port to the engine compartment that opens when at WOT. Others pipe a sound through the speakers to to make it sound “better”.
Now you’ve given away my idea to add sound packs to EV’s,imagine a Merlin sounding Prius…. :aok
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: GasTeddy on August 03, 2022, 01:16:50 PM
Many cars use different techniques to enhance the sound they make,some use a simple port to the engine compartment that opens when at WOT. Others pipe a sound through the speakers to to make it sound “better”.
Now you’ve given away my idea to add sound packs to EV’s,imagine a Merlin sounding Prius…. :aok
IMHO, the best way to turn big amount of fuel to a loud voice is big block V8. And it's damn fun!
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: thndregg on August 03, 2022, 03:41:19 PM
As was said about mining the minerals and metals needed. Other countries will be doing the mining- China has the near monopoly on it all.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 03, 2022, 04:24:12 PM
IMHO, the best way to turn big amount of fuel to a loud voice is big block V8. And it's damn fun!
Been there and done that but I’m not 16 anymore. Always preferred small blocks,some could actually turn corners although not that well. Bikes and euro sports cars were more my thing.
Dad always preferred the land yachts, big Buicks and Lincoln’s with a few caddies for good measure.Mom did have a 440 coronet that I got to drive around but you could watch speedometer go one way and the fuel gauge go the other….
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: GasTeddy on August 04, 2022, 03:27:28 AM
Been there and done that but I’m not 16 anymore. Always preferred small blocks,some could actually turn corners although not that well. Bikes and euro sports cars were more my thing.
Dad always preferred the land yachts, big Buicks and Lincoln’s with a few caddies for good measure.Mom did have a 440 coronet that I got to drive around but you could watch speedometer go one way and the fuel gauge go the other….
I'm almost 16 now, just numbers reversed, and my DD is Jeep w/ chiptuned diesel, lift kit and bigger wheels and bike is Yamaha Fjr. Maybe I'm getting old... :old:
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Chalenge on August 04, 2022, 11:48:56 AM
Electric cars need fossil fuels to generate electricity, because "green" energy is a lame duck.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Eagler on August 04, 2022, 12:00:24 PM
I see private car ownership being questioned soon...electric or otherwise
Eagler
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Hajo on August 04, 2022, 05:23:44 PM
I've been a "gearhead" since the mid sixties. I have owned over 100 automobiles in that time. When I got my license in 1966 during the dawn of the muscle car era guess what I purchased?
You guessed it a Muscle Car. I've owned in the vicinity of 30 muscle cars since then. The big three made some very good high horsepower cars at the time and are still manufacturing them today.
I've always owned two cars. A daily driver and a muscle car in the garage. I've always owned a muscle car. In the last 11 years I've owned HEMIS. For those of you who are older the nickname
for the HEMI was the Elephant Motor for it's size. Chiefly. the heads are huge! More in and more out. In the last 11 years I've owned a Challenger R/T, a Challenger SRT and now I own a Hellcat challenger. My daily driver is Jeep Trailhawk. Performance car owners could care less about gas mileage. That doesn't come to mind when we purchase. Plus, the Hellcat requires at least 93 Octane Fuel.
My neighbors know when the Hellcat is going out for a run. They tell me they love to hear the rumble of the engine and the car looks nasty. They immediately comment of the purr the HEMI makes.
So far GM and Ford have recalled their electric cars for fires. GM even warned that those who have purchased the volt not to park them in their garages. A few days ago Ford did the same.
In my own way they can keep them. Evidently the technology isn't there to make them safe, consider the passengers sit on top of the batteries. The raw material for the batteries are imported.
So.........they can keep their Lionel cars for them selves. They are still recharged by Natural Gas, Coal and and Nuclear powered electric generating facilities and will be for a long time.
Stuff the electric vehicles up your shorts.......but be aware when stuffing them there the may catch fire.
Nothing better then driving 700 horse power with manual shift. You feel and hear the power. WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRR electric. Gimme a break. :rofl
And for those of you who own electric or will in the near future my thanks. That makes the 93 octane readily available!
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Oldman731 on August 04, 2022, 09:22:37 PM
And for those of you who own electric or will in the near future my thanks. That makes the 93 octane readily available!
You're welcome!
Having some experience with Daimler/Chrysler oil sludge issues, I use 93 octane and synthetic oil in my lawnmower, not to mention my non-electric cars. Over the span of a year, it doesn't make a gigantic financial difference, certainly not on the level of major engine repair.
- oldman
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 05, 2022, 12:44:53 AM
You have a constitution regulated by a government.
Land of the free :rofl
Hows China your enemy doing making coin out of Apple? While you have unemployed in Harlem and Detroit ?
You invaded Russia yet.
Don lemon is your source of news…fact
You people cannot accept reality.
Go watch wolverine he will save you.
You people are subjects. Fact You people get arrested for posted mean things on the internet. Fact. Watch your bellybutton or someone with hurt feelings and a little internet savvy will get you. You rely on uncle sugar to protect you, so you can have "free health care". Fact You all need better dental plans. Fact
Do you become trapped under s bicycle if you fall over, and what is your opinion on bruised tomatoes?
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: MiloMorai on August 05, 2022, 11:09:17 AM
UK (#14) ranks better than USofA (#15) as 'Most Free Country'. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-freest-countries-in-the-world.html
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 05, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
So they were ranked even higher before brexit…. :rofl
Well, when you tell your european overlords to take a hike... you must pay a freedom price. I mean, you have to let anyone who Germany deems ok, or you are anti freedom my dude. See Poland for fascist bastards as an example.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 05, 2022, 12:31:11 PM
I'm almost 16 now, just numbers reversed, and my DD is Jeep w/ chiptuned diesel, lift kit and bigger wheels and bike is Yamaha Fjr. Maybe I'm getting old... :old:
The last engine I helped build was an LS7 crate,we did all sorts of silly things to it like a dual stage NO2 system that we had to drill and tap the intake for. Then we got real crazy and stuffed it into a 69 Z28 that we mounted on a full hand made frame with a built in stagger. It wasn’t street legal but that’s not what it was built for,it was made to see how much gas you could burn in a 1/4 mile.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: MiloMorai on August 05, 2022, 12:52:04 PM
Well, when you tell your european overlords to take a hike... you must pay a freedom price. I mean, you have to let anyone who Germany deems ok, or you are anti freedom my dude. See Poland for fascist bastards as an example.
Hungary, under Orban, has gone full blown Christian nationalism.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 05, 2022, 04:23:30 PM
In Hungary they won’t let their kids be taught depravity at school.
No pro noun issues in Hungary
The US lets men who think they are women compete in sports and win.
No bending the knee in Hungary
Probably because they have a culture based on reality not Lord of the rings or wolverine
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 05, 2022, 04:24:41 PM
You people are subjects. Fact You people get arrested for posted mean things on the internet. Fact. Watch your bellybutton or someone with hurt feelings and a little internet savvy will get you. You rely on uncle sugar to protect you, so you can have "free health care". Fact You all need better dental plans. Fact
Do you become trapped under s bicycle if you fall over, and what is your opinion on bruised tomatoes?
You are Russian ?
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: knorB on August 05, 2022, 05:23:57 PM
The last engine I helped build was an LS7 crate,we did all sorts of silly things to it like a dual stage NO2 system that we had to drill and tap the intake for. Then we got real crazy and stuffed it into a 69 Z28 that we mounted on a full hand made frame with a built in stagger. It wasn’t street legal but that’s not what it was built for,it was made to see how much gas you could burn in a 1/4 mile.
That must have been fun as a wheelbarrow full of monkeys! :D My last build was 1979 Dodge D150 Warlock RWD w/ 360. Made the engine equivalent, or let's say bit fancier than 360 Police Special. Left most of things in streets behind up to 100 mph, then run out of gears and laws of physics, as it was approximately as aerodynamic as an orthodox church.
Am I the only one here who thinks some of the participants have waded bit far from the original subject..? :O
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: RotBaron on August 06, 2022, 04:28:57 AM
could be until they find out your idea of what a Christian should be is not the same as them. then hard time.
not all Christians think alike.
semp
Most Catholics are not too far apart on most things. Since half of Hungary is Catholic I think I’d be just fine :aok
I know and have met numerous people from Eastern European nations (always been intrigued with their history) and I’ve always liked them.
We had an exchange student from Macedonia who stayed here after High School to earn his engineering degrees (PhD eventually) so I had a lot of time to learn things from him (starting prior to the internet…), although he was atheist.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 06, 2022, 07:03:13 AM
Eastern Europeans are all serial killers and their currency is turnips.
They blame Russia for everything.
The fact they are ignorant has nothing to do with it.
Poland is at it again thinking its important.
Similar to Ireland, only history is blaming the English and growing potatoes.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: -gg- on August 06, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
This is the kind of electric car that most people will end up in. If the control freaks have their way.
That must have been fun as a wheelbarrow full of monkeys! :D My last build was 1979 Dodge D150 Warlock RWD w/ 360. Made the engine equivalent, or let's say bit fancier than 360 Police Special. Left most of things in streets behind up to 100 mph, then run out of gears and laws of physics, as it was approximately as aerodynamic as an orthodox church.
Am I the only one here who thinks some of the participants have waded bit far from the original subject..? :O
No you’re not and why I tried to bring it back on subject….alas certain people think they are being cool and edgy arguing about nonsense. Must be boring at their regular forum so the just have to come here and do what they do.
I have a buddy with the last badged roadrunner,really just a valiant but it has a “built”360 in it and claims it’s near 400 ponies. It’s a rare car these days,iirc it’s a 76 and most were crushed like most mid to late 70’s cars. It got a full restoration so the fit and finish is much better than what came out of the factory,I still see it as a valiant but the badging does say roadrunner.
Sort of like rebadging a nova to be a caddie…..
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: guncrasher on August 06, 2022, 10:58:31 PM
Eastern Europeans are all serial killers and their currency is turnips.
They blame Russia for everything.
The fact they are ignorant has nothing to do with it.
Poland is at it again thinking its important.
Similar to Ireland, only history is blaming the English and growing potatoes.
was just reading the British news, if Zack falls down and he can't get up, police have orders to shoot as it's the humane thing to do, but first give him a dick.
semp
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Eagler on August 07, 2022, 07:22:37 AM
Semp is happy as he gets to use his favorite British word again...
Eagler
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: FLS on August 07, 2022, 08:28:57 AM
He does bring it up a lot.
Maybe he had a hard time with it.
Let's hope he can shake it off.
Obsession rarely has a happy ending.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: guncrasher on August 07, 2022, 08:53:54 AM
hey I am a diabetic but do enjoy dick once in a while, who doesn't
sp
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Brooke on August 07, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
I think that transitioning mostly to electric vehicles will take: -- Much more power-transmission infrastructure. -- More nuclear power plants (which can be an excellent power source, in my opinion). -- People being OK with various limitations compared to gasoline cars (longer charging time, less range, less vehicle lifespan).
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: FLS on August 07, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
The big issue with EV's is the energy density of the batteries. We're not there yet. The current technology is excellent for pedal assisted bicycles because they are low power and very efficient on mostly flat routes.
There was a new EV bus in my state that just burst into flames while parked a few weeks ago. That's not technology ready to carry the old and infirm.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: -gg- on August 07, 2022, 11:27:37 AM
Don't forget the massive - and maybe even impossible amount that mining must be increased in order to make the batteries.
We all know how much liberals love mining. I guess they're okay with the mining and raping of the earth - as long as it's done in China. Then we get all the environmental damage anyway, but lose all control to a communist nation that we will probably be at war with some day.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 07, 2022, 11:40:50 AM
Your empire last from 1945 until the Russians invaded the Ukraine and China owns you.
The fact you did not realise you had a empire shows the ignorance and stupidly of your intellect.
Is wolverine going to save the world Yank? :rofl
Just say thank you uncle sugar for protecting your stupid bellybutton and maybe... maybe next time you and your idiot eurotard accomplice will get bailed out again when you start a war... maybe. We may still have some obsolete dds you can buy for cheap.
We know the britiots sure as toejam aint going st save anything. Fact.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 07, 2022, 01:18:41 PM
Triggered
You still don’t realise you had a empire do you?
Fantastic hero’s will save you.
Are you bending the knee and wearing your mask?
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: knorB on August 07, 2022, 01:40:59 PM
We do the saving... you people 2x, remember? Still bitter?
Careful, you say something nasty enough, the bobbies will come get you. Fact
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Mano on August 07, 2022, 04:18:27 PM
Metals needed for new batteries and what to do with the mountains of old ones when they start going bad...
Don't forget about the uncontrollable fires accidents can cause..
And we will still have uncontrollable weather in varying climates as nothing will have changed there..
Eagler
Hi Eagler
Good point. Tesla manufactures their own batteries whereas legacy carmakers do not. Tesla has the initiative to recycle all battery components because the batteries are a much better source of raw materials than ore from a mine and they do not want anything to end up in a landfill, plus they will eliminate some supply issues.
When legacy car makers begin to build battery plants they will find it is economically sound to recycle the batteries.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: fd ski on August 08, 2022, 01:19:41 AM
tham fungled new car things will never replace a horse !!! For horse all you need is hay and viola !!!! Who needs a car? my pop had a horse, my grands had a horse, and his father had a wooden stick. Who needs more ?
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: zack1234 on August 08, 2022, 02:25:19 AM
No you’re not and why I tried to bring it back on subject….alas certain people think they are being cool and edgy arguing about nonsense. Must be boring at their regular forum so the just have to come here and do what they do.
I have a buddy with the last badged roadrunner,really just a valiant but it has a “built”360 in it and claims it’s near 400 ponies. It’s a rare car these days,iirc it’s a 76 and most were crushed like most mid to late 70’s cars. It got a full restoration so the fit and finish is much better than what came out of the factory,I still see it as a valiant but the badging does say roadrunner.
Sort of like rebadging a nova to be a caddie…..
Looks like we are in a minority... That "Vallu" as they were called in Finland, is a real sleeper, it does not need badges.
Funniest sleeper ever had was -66 Coronet w/ tuned up 383 Magnum, 727 and 8¾. Had also pretty stiff suspension and went around corners better than many Europeans. Outside just wheels and exhaust tips might have betrayed what was lurking under the hood. Never had it on ¼-mile, but 0-100 km/h (62 mph) went under 6s and top speed was well over 200 kmh (125 mph) and at early 80s that was something. And it was smoothly idling 550 rpm and behaved as what ever daily driver when gas pedal was used gently. Best engine I ever managed to make.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: Mano on August 08, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Tesla now makes more profit than Ford or GM. Tesla sells direct. They do not wholesale their vehicles to dealers.
It is possible Tesla will have more profit than Ford and GM combined next year as their new factories ramp up production.
:salute
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
Yup... the (not so) big three's original business plan to combat Tesla was to use their significant muscle via bought legislation to effectively outlaw Tesla's business model. They paid state legislators to propose laws requiring not only physical showrooms, but mandatory floorspace as well required service service and shop space. Obviously Musk and his practically endless supply of cash figured a way around that.
Just who does this guy think he is sidestepping crony capitalism like that??
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 09, 2022, 01:23:25 PM
Looks like we are in a minority... That "Vallu" as they were called in Finland, is a real sleeper, it does not need badges.
Funniest sleeper ever had was -66 Coronet w/ tuned up 383 Magnum, 727 and 8¾. Had also pretty stiff suspension and went around corners better than many Europeans. Outside just wheels and exhaust tips might have betrayed what was lurking under the hood. Never had it on ¼-mile, but 0-100 km/h (62 mph) went under 6s and top speed was well over 200 kmh (125 mph) and at early 80s that was something. And it was smoothly idling 550 rpm and behaved as what ever daily driver when gas pedal was used gently. Best engine I ever managed to make.
Around here coronets we’re hardly sleepers….Mom had one with a 440 in it and I got to drive it on occasion but I wouldn’t have called it a sleeper.
I didn’t know you got valients over there so I learnt something!!! :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoiWpJLokEc
Not a sleeper either but I thought it might interest you.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: GasTeddy on August 10, 2022, 03:02:41 AM
Around here coronets we’re hardly sleepers….Mom had one with a 440 in it and I got to drive it on occasion but I wouldn’t have called it a sleeper.
I didn’t know you got valients over there so I learnt something!!! :aok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoiWpJLokEc
Not a sleeper either but I thought it might interest you.
Nice daily driver Volvo Amazon on that video... :x
Darts and Valiants were the most sold American cars in Finland at 60s and 70s, I've had some as DDs. Coronets were mostly 4 doors w/ 273 or 225 because of Finnish tax laws and BB V8s in general pretty rare. Nowadays it's of course different as they are classics and import from abroad has been free long time. Well, it was free always, but idiotic taxation made it ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: TryHard on August 10, 2022, 08:11:36 PM
Lets get back on track with this one guys
Electric cars are slow
Title: Re: Why electric vehicles will never replace internal combustion
Post by: morfiend on August 11, 2022, 09:57:24 AM