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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tig on August 03, 2022, 08:25:18 PM
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I had an incredible breakthrough in my tactics today, what stories do y'all have of the same thing happening?
For the longest time I've been stumped on how to shake a bandit pursuing me and getting into a more even fight without letting him get free shots off on me. No matter which way I would turn they could shoot me up as I broke to the side/up/down.
Then, I was watching one of Growling Sidewinder's DCS videos, where he was dogfighting in a 1v1 with Dassault jets. He explained his tactic of forcing the overshoot by turning to the side, tightening up when his opponent went to pure pursuit to take a shot, then making a quick reversal into a barrel roll, dropping in on their tail to get a shot off.
So with that in mind, I went back to Aces High today. Whaddya know? I make a Corsair overshoot a few times before he finally beats me, and I do it regularly in my Seafire, with great results! My K/D is starting to do significantly better!
So, that was my latest ACM revelations, tell me about y'all's! :airplane:
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You can shake a bandit close on your 6 by getting him out of phase with a flat or vertical scissors. The downside is that they get a crossing snap shot each time you pass their nose so you want to go out of plane a bit to spoil the shot.
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You can shake a bandit close on your 6 by getting him out of phase with a flat or vertical scissors. The downside is that they get a crossing snap shot each time you pass their nose so you want to go out of plane a bit to spoil the shot.
I remember a Burma FSO where I brought down a P-40C with a single 7mm MG in my A6M2 because I was able to pepper him every time he crossed my nose pulling a flat scissor. Took several passes, but he went down in flames.
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The hardest part is to be able to track the con through all of your views back to front. I havent been able to do that. That makes it deadly. Adjusting the tracking as he comes through so when he pops in front you just pull the trigger.
Drex was the best at this. The most dangerous place to be with him was on his six.....really.
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Those reversal techniques are a requirement here, you are never the highest con, so you need to learn how to play defensively first. I learned the most from Bruv and he never even talked to me, I just figured out how he kept avoiding me and getting me in his sights even when I started with the advantage. Now I always fly low because I have faith I can avoid 95% of the players and have a good shot at killing them from a disadvantage. Its all about avoidance while keeping your E, but draining theirs.
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The hardest part is to be able to track the con through all of your views back to front. I havent been able to do that.
That's also my problem, visibility and views in general. One moment I see con, he disappears and seconds later parts start flying from my kite. No matter how I turn and rotate.
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Those reversal techniques are a requirement here, you are never the highest con, so you need to learn how to play defensively first. I learned the most from Bruv and he never even talked to me, I just figured out how he kept avoiding me and getting me in his sights even when I started with the advantage. Now I always fly low because I have faith I can avoid 95% of the players and have a good shot at killing them from a disadvantage. Its all about avoidance while keeping your E, but draining theirs.
Nice post! and same to FLS as well
Yes, keeping view of your opponents while dogfighting is a top priority, until you learn like muscle memory 😉 where they're at and what orientation of flight they are in when you do lose sight of them for a second
I recommend learning the Barrel Roll Defense, horizontal and vertical scissors and the rolling scissors.
The first 1 and last 1 I mentioned are my all time favorite moves to use on the unsuspecting...hahaha
Hope this helps
TC
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Shooting where they should be though you have no vis on them and then seeing and or hearing the explosion is always a nice surprise :cheers:
Eagler
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Shooting where they should be though you have no vis on them and then seeing and or hearing the explosion is always a nice surprise :cheers:
Eagler
Yes those over the nose (underneath your nose deflection shots are a blast..hahaha
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I remember a Burma FSO where I brought down a P-40C with a single 7mm MG in my A6M2 because I was able to pepper him every time he crossed my nose pulling a flat scissor. Took several passes, but he went down in flames.
Which is why P-40 pilots were told never turn with a Zero, dive through them and exit. Good shooting. :aok
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Which is why P-40 pilots were told never turn with a Zero, dive through them and exit. Good shooting. :aok
He had nowhere left to dive, we were just above the trees.
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A lot of novices, instead of flying a scissors that gets the bandit out of sync, will just reverse their turns early and give the shooter a better shot. If instead they keep turning until they get shot at, they'll be under the shooter's nose when they reverse.
Naturally, relative turn performance between aircraft makes a difference. This is easy to compare, just hold max sustained G at a low speed like 200 mph and see which aircraft can pull more. If there is a big difference then you know which tactics are suitable.
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Defense is the Key to aces high if you don't like to fly the boring E style and run when people get on your 6.
The key to defense is timing, getting under the opponents nose, and execution of aim in the overshoot crossing shot.
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Just thought I'd pop in here and say this thread amuses me because I still remember when Redd took me into the DA one morning and showed me the barrel roll guns defense. It was a real game changer for me as well. It made the game much more fun to have a fighting chance all of a sudden.
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I spent years flying low as it was much more fun to be jumped and turn the tide. Was more fun for me because folks drool seeing a low 38.
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Just thought I'd pop in here and say this thread amuses me because I still remember when Redd took me into the DA one morning and showed me the barrel roll guns defense. It was a real game changer for me as well. It made the game much more fun to have a fighting chance all of a sudden.
Hey Vudak! get your butt back in here !!! <S>
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Nice post! and same to FLS as well
Yes, keeping view of your opponents while dogfighting is a top priority, until you learn like muscle memory 😉 where they're at and what orientation of flight they are in when you do lose sight of them for a second
I recommend learning the Barrel Roll Defense, horizontal and vertical scissors and the rolling scissors.
The first 1 and last 1 I mentioned are my all time favorite moves to use on the unsuspecting...hahaha
Hope this helps
TC
THIS!!!! I studied BadBoy's and Your Tutorial on this one! I can't find it anymore? I had to 'Wing It' in my ULBlizz training! I think I did OK? Other than getting to fly with/against all you ICONS and Judicially recording our fights...was PRICELESS INSTRUCTIONS! 'Bricker' was the First Foe, that "Barrel Roll Defense" just clicked!!! FM-2(ME) VS La-7 2019 ish? 6 YEARS..learning curve much? :ahand When INK came back during Cov1984 lockdowns, ME... in HIS Ki-84..."GD BW....you wiped my ARSE!" Vooduvee, even in HIS NIK...same result :x Those guys, BANE of my existence!!! 2013 and on. The most memorable antagonists any way! If I asked "Where did I mess up?" INSTANT Acknowledgement and tips! Vooduvee, "Gotdang it BW!!!! I regret giving you those tips! Dude, I have been gone THAT LONG? WOW! I might need to hang around a bit! What a fight/fights!" Alas, wasnt meant to be :bhead Rud3boi...can go ....himself! :rofl That guy kills me, he really does! :rofl I conquered Yucca...Lazer,Drediock and Trogdor (still only like 48%)but that situation doesnt come around as often as the Rud3boi. OOPS EAGLER too....Eh, he flies Historic Enemy...109 vs Spitfire. Think I have worked up to a 60/40% kill rate? 20% more to go :rofl :bhead
Damn I love you guys,
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