General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 11:28:03 AM
Title: Roger Waters?
Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 11:28:03 AM
Anyone gone to see his current tour? I've always been a fan of his music. Floyd just wasn't the same without him...
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Post by: nopoop on August 08, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
David Gilmore IS Pink Floyd. Waters is not missed at all.
Just sayin.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 01:35:05 PM
Gilmour is one of the greatest guitarists of all time. However, he is not nearly the musical visionary that Waters is. That being said, a Roger Waters NEEDS a David Gilmour to tell him when he's gone too far. Although he probably figures he's got enough money, Waters has effectively alienated easily one-half of his potential and former audience.
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Post by: -gg- on August 08, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
I think that Roger Waters was the main force behind Pink Floyd. He was responsible for writing and for putting into motion most of their greatest works. He had the vision and he ran the show.
David is a better musician and singer for sure, but take away Rogers Waters and you would not have had Pink Floyd. You might think that same thing applies to David, but it does not.
Roger Waters made most of that stuff happen and wrote most of it.
I can't even listen to the garbage "Pink Floyd" put out after Rogers left. David is not a good songwriter at all. I think he struggled to get each album done. I think he played way over his head in even getting them completed without Rogers. David pretty much even said so himself.
But no one's opinion is going to change.
I happen to be correct and the people in David's camp are wrong :aok
:banana:
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 02:39:25 PM
Jeej gets it.
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Post by: perdue3 on August 08, 2022, 02:58:40 PM
I saw his last US tour, it's a great show. Roger without David is rubbish and David without Roger is tolerable. Still, they need each other to be complete the dynamic genius that is Pink Floyd.
GG, that garbage (Momentary Lapse and Division Bell) is subjectively amazing. It's less political and absolutely stunning musically. But, it certainly isn't the same. For me, Floyd peaked with Animals. The Final Cut was awful, in my opinion, and it was time for them to split ways.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 03:04:31 PM
I enjoyed the Final Cut but I understand why many didn't. That was Roger off the leash; basically a Roger Waters solo album. It does appear however, that a significant number of people do enjoy being finger wagged at.
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Post by: Eagler on August 08, 2022, 03:05:58 PM
Saw floyd in the 90's in dc in a stadium
Flying pigs and great music
Dark side of the moon album on shrooms in 1976 was memorable
Eagler
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Post by: -gg- on August 08, 2022, 03:07:30 PM
Gilmour had to enlist other songwriters and a producer just to get that first album out after Roger, and he even said it was difficult without Rogers. He had co-writers on everything. And it was mediocre garbage.
If you want hard facts though, just look at the songwriting credits of all the Pink Floyd Songs. Roger Waters is the sole or main songwriter on nearly every single one of them. Roger Waters ran that band and he directed everything.
Roger Waters came to the rest of the band with The Wall nearly completely written, plus another Album and told them they could pick which one to make. They chose The Wall.
I've been in a band with three good songwriters. There is always someone who makes it all happen. The person who has the vision and directs the band. Gives a direction. That was Roger Waters
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Post by: -gg- on August 08, 2022, 03:11:48 PM
And I agree that both of them together is WAY better than either of them on their own.
I do not view David Gilmour as a good songwriter. Not even close. I think he's a great musician and singer. I think he added tremendously to the songs.
I view Roger Waters as a creative genius. Also an a-hole.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
And I agree that both of them together is WAY better than either of them on their own.
I do not view David Gilmour as a good songwriter. Not even close. I think he's a great musician and singer. I think he added tremendously to the songs.
I view Roger Waters as a creative genius. Also an a-hole.
100% this.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 03:42:54 PM
This reminds me of that time I ran into my ex-wife at the mall...
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Post by: nopoop on August 08, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
I've been at every west coast tour since 1972. The last in 94..
https://youtu.be/eje4IrmSVJI
Roger is not missed.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 08, 2022, 03:58:40 PM
It's ok poopy... We don't expect everyone to understand.
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Post by: -gg- on August 08, 2022, 05:54:48 PM
Of course, performing songs is not the same as creating the songs.
Can they put on a good show? Of course. Can gilmour write a great song or album. Nope.
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Post by: -gg- on August 08, 2022, 06:25:36 PM
It just might be is that Waters is a full blown a*s h*le
Just like all the other orange man bad clowns…
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Post by: DmonSlyr on August 09, 2022, 07:58:25 AM
David Gilmour is my favorite musician of all time. The way he plays the guitar is just godly. I think that one live version of Comfortably Numb is one of the best live songs ever recorded. That solo at the end gives me goosebumps every time. I also think "Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2" has one of the most underrated guitar solos. No one even realizes it, that's why Gilmour is just so amazing. Pink Floyd had that awesome unique sound where it feels like you were flying in space. Wish I could have seen them live. I loved their usage of different piano/synthesizer sounds. Definitely a unique band that had it all.
Division Bell is one of my favorite albums of all time. Listening to Marooned on while on the beach is so nice. I can listen to the whole album without a changing a song. The songs just make me really happy. I actually prefer Gilmours style of music morso than Roger's, which is why I like that album the best. I've always loved that guitar sound so its hard for me not to like Gilmour more.
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Post by: nopoop on August 09, 2022, 09:47:39 AM
Marooned
https://youtu.be/J4kgBpgoQaU
It's not the amount of notes played in great music. It's the spaces between the notes..
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Post by: zack1234 on August 09, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
Pink Floyd were garbage university types.
Like the Stones university types
The Rolling Stones are embarrassing today
The Who - you would not mess with Roger Daltry he was hard as nails
Justin Bieber has more relevance that Pink drug addled Floyd
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Post by: sparky127 on August 09, 2022, 11:03:09 AM
That's an opinion.
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Post by: Hajo on August 09, 2022, 12:56:33 PM
I have a album piper at the gates of dawn only decent tune is lucifer Sam
Band called johns children with mark bolan did a similar album which was just as crap
Spencer’s Davies group are good
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Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2022, 07:23:40 AM
I don't care for the Syd Barrett stuff either.
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Post by: -gg- on August 10, 2022, 07:49:27 AM
In the 30 year period where Gilmour led Pink Floyd - they put out only three albums. The first two after Rogers left, he hired outside songwriters and that last album was basically just old stuff they didn't use for Division Bell.
I know music is subjective. People may like those last three albums. I think they are like a façade of what Pink Floyd was. I think they're horrible.
I'm not a huge Pink Floyd fan though. If I ever listen at all, I have to be in a certain mood. I do appreciate music, songwriting and originality. I know how hard it is to get a song completed. It's not easy at all.
Reminds me of when Benjamin Orr was writing his album The Lace. Horrible album. This guy, to the average Joe, was at least 1/2 of The Cars.
Check out this interview of him explaining why the album took so long to make. He struggled. He got another writer to help.
Ben Orr was a great singer. Good musician. He added tremendously to The Cars - but he could not write songs.
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Post by: sparky127 on August 12, 2022, 12:28:10 AM
In the 30 year period where Gilmour led Pink Floyd - they put out only three albums. The first two after Rogers left, he hired outside songwriters and that last album was basically just old stuff they didn't use for Division Bell.
I know music is subjective. People may like those last three albums. I think they are like a façade of what Pink Floyd was. I think they're horrible.
I'm not a huge Pink Floyd fan though. If I ever listen at all, I have to be in a certain mood. I do appreciate music, songwriting and originality. I know how hard it is to get a song completed. It's not easy at all.
Reminds me of when Benjamin Orr was writing his album The Lace. Horrible album. This guy, to the average Joe, was at least 1/2 of The Cars.
Check out this interview of him explaining why the album took so long to make. He struggled. He got another writer to help.
Ben Orr was a great singer. Good musician. He added tremendously to The Cars - but he could not write songs.
What an uncomfortable interview!
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Post by: Gogolinius on August 19, 2022, 03:41:08 PM
Jew-hater, Putin/Xi apologist, drug-head multi-millionaire 80 year old.