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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MiloMorai on August 26, 2022, 03:20:30 PM
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https://www.nasa.gov/feature/sending-american-astronauts-to-moon-in-2024-nasa-accepts-challenge/#:~:text=The%20human%20lunar%20lander%20will%20be%20a%20public-private,going%20forward%20to%20the%20Moon%20in%20two%20phases.
The president directed NASA to land American astronauts on the Moon by 2024, and the agency is working to accelerate humanity’s return to the lunar surface by all means necessary.
“We’ve been given an ambitious and exciting goal. History has proven when we’re given a task by the president, along with the resources and the tools, we can deliver,” said NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine. “We are committed to making this happen. We have the people to achieve it. Now, we just need bipartisan support and the resources to get this done.”
Bridenstine confirmed at the 35th Space Symposium on April 9, 2019, that the agency’s proposed human lunar landing system architecture remains the plan to return crew to the surface as quickly as possible. The human lunar lander will be a public-private partnership working directly with American companies to expedite the return of Astronauts to the Moon’s surface by 2024. The South Pole continues to be the target of our exploration.
In order to best accomplish our goals in the next five years, NASA is now going forward to the Moon in two phases.
“First, we are focused on speed to land the next man, and first woman, on the Moon by 2024. Second, we will establish sustainable missions by 2028. To do that, we need our powerful Space Launch System to put the mass of reusable systems into deep space,” he said.
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mehh
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Are we still doing this?
(https://i.ibb.co/3zQHT8N/Screenshot-2022-08-26-141146.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZwGNKk)
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Ridiculous waste of taxpayer $.
I’m sure all the homeless will watch on their cable SmartTV.
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I remember 50 years ago all you'd hear is how we could fly a man to the moon but couldn't feed starving kids HERE
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I think it's a good thing. This is different than the Apollo program in that we are attempting to establish a permanent base on the moon. There is a huge potential for resources there. Plus, we need to beat China before they get there.
A lot of good came from the Apollo program. A lot of technology and economic activity.
This is the first time that a program to go to the moon has survived a change of administration in the white house.
I'm excited about this. I think it's fantastic.
Now it is very very expensive. They say 1 billion dollars per launch to the Moon.
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I don't believe this is a permanent base, more of a stepping stone to Mars. (learn how to live there)
Coogan
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It would make a great prison...astronaut suits optional
Eagler
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I think the best reason for a permanent lunar presence is that the moon is the nearest source of HE3 necessary for nuclear fusion power plants. HE3 is extremely rare on earth. https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/physics/helium-3-lunar-gold-fever/ (https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/physics/helium-3-lunar-gold-fever/)
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I don't believe this is a permanent base, more of a stepping stone to Mars. (learn how to live there)
Coogan
I think what they want to do is have a space station orbiting the moon and a moon base. Yes, I think the idea is for this to be a stepping stone to Mars. But they want to establish a permanent moon presence.
They want to also use the moon as a proving ground for sustainable colonies. I think it's really ambitious and really cool.
The orbiting moon station will be a base point to launch moon exploration missions. They'll be able to cover a wide area, quickly.
They've had plans to go back to the moon at least a few times before, but this is first Presidential moon directive to survive after an administration change.
GW Bush set a directive to establish a base on the moon. Obama changed that to landing a man on an asteroid, Trump made the directive to land on the moon again and Biden is behind the idea.
Congress passed a NASA authorization act in 2017 and another in 2022. They are keeping the money going for the Artemis program.
So it looks like we really are doing this.
I think it's great.
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We have already screwed up this planet so let's spend resources getting to another to hose up instead of fixing this excuse for civilization
Eagler
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Don't forget that china wants a base on the moon.
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Yep. China wants a moon base. I think that's one reason why Congress is on board with keeping this going. We do not want China doing it first.
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Let the Chinese have it. It's cold as hell and there's no one there to raise your kids.
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But the moon is going to be escaping orbit. :old:
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I like it.
Even though it has such a strong diversion-y smell.
They will have to hurry, though -- before the universe disabuses us of our fantasies about printing free money.
Seriously, though, I do like it regardless of the above. I think spreading human habitation to more places than earth is the most-important task of mankind.
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I would be hesitant to do anything that might damage the moon and change its' position.
I read a paper a few years ago explaining the importance to earth. We know the earth is not perfectly round. As the earth rotates on its' axis the moons' pull does two things.
It causes our seasons. It also keeps this planet from wobbling out into space to who knows where! It was explained like this. It's as if the Moon were towed to this exact position.
If it were somewhere else in orbit we would wobble away.
Just a thought.
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I don't see what the big deal is. It's like we never went to moon to begin with, it's been proven.
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It's probably all smoke and mirrors for them to try to look cool. At this point, with the technology we have (that us plebs don't know about), Secret Space Force can probably get to the moon in less than a day.
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It's probably all smoke and mirrors for them to try to look cool. At this point, with the technology we have (that us plebs don't know about), Secret Space Force can probably get to the moon in less than a day.
they have the secret of the ruby slippers.
semp
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They say 1 billion dollars per launch to the Moon.
If they taxed Soros, Zuckerburg, Bezos and Gates 95% of their current wealth we could build a base on the moon and maybe even Mars. Those guys would still have plenty of coin to live on.
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Ridiculous waste of taxpayer $.
I’m sure all the homeless will watch on their cable SmartTV.
Largely symbolic achievements like this inspire talent, which is critically important. The Apollo program was one of the best examples of humanity getting something right - resoundingly right, in fact.
Giving money away to the dregs of society is an infinitely bigger waste.
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I agree!
This will be even better than Apollo I think. Maybe the interest won't be as high, but this is going to be an amazing program.
I can't wait to see that rocket launch tomorrow. I hope it does.
The most powerful rocket ever made. I think it's got a million more pounds of thrust than Saturn 5 did even though it's about a hundred feet shorter.
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I enjoy NASA's programs. The new telescope is amazing
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Largely symbolic achievements like this inspire talent, which is critically important. The Apollo program was one of the best examples of humanity getting something right - resoundingly right, in fact.
Giving money away to the dregs of society is an infinitely bigger waste.
I’m not saying to give the homeless (who in most cases I don’t view as dregs…) money…I’m saying provide more social services for them, a hand up not a handout.
The real dregs are the ones dealing them drugs, etc imo.
Nevertheless, have you met many 20-something’s? I date one…
Most of them could not care any less about achievements such as this, what Lizzo did last night is more important.
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I’m not saying to give the homeless (who in most cases I don’t view as dregs…) money…I’m saying provide more social services for them, a hand up not a handout.
The real dregs are the ones dealing them drugs, etc imo.
Nevertheless, have you met many 20-something’s? I date one…
Most of them could not care any less about achievements such as this, what Lizzo did last night is more important.
My nephews. 23 and 26. Both Stanford graduates. Both engineers. Common? No, but we don't need millions of them to push humanity forward. What we do need is an environment where people like them are encouraged and emboldened to do more than just print money for personal gain. The moon landings did that for an entire generation of bright minds. It needs to be repeated. It doesn't have to be the government that does it, but with billions of dollars getting thrown into a firepit for nothing these days, it's not a bad place to start.
The she/her greenhaired activist/debtors that scream and cry for a living and claim that Lizzo is an image of health and beauty are write-offs.
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So, who will be the first person on the moon?
If it will ever happend.
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My nephews. 23 and 26. Both Stanford graduates. Both engineers. Common? No, but we don't need millions of them to push humanity forward. What we do need is an environment where people like them are encouraged and emboldened to do more than just print money for personal gain. The moon landings did that for an entire generation of bright minds. It needs to be repeated. It doesn't have to be the government that does it, but with billions of dollars getting thrown into a firepit for nothing these days, it's not a bad place to start.
The she/her greenhaired activist/debtors that scream and cry for a living and claim that Lizzo is an image of health and beauty are write-offs.
encourage you mean like going to the moon?
semp
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So, who will be the first person on the moon?
If it will ever happend.
Armstrong 1969 .. they did not fake it sorry
Eagler
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You can't fool ME! I saw Capricorn One
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Armstrong 1969 .. they did not fake it sorry
Eagler
My parents lived in Moscow in 1969. I've had many conversations with them on the topic of the space race. The USSR, which had the technical capability to track the flight all the way to and from the moon, never made any serious attempts to deny it happened - and this was at the height of the cold war, when propagandizing American lies and failures were at a peak. How people with no technical (or mental) capability to speak of, try to today, defies reason.
Instead they took another route, and claimed that they were never in a space race to begin with - though surveillance images of Baikonur space launch facility showed clear signs of multiple failed launch attempts of very large and very powerful rockets, the very kind which would be required for lunar missions.
I'm sure Putin's government gets a kick out of modern denialism, though.
I view moon landing conspiracy theorists as one step removed from flat-Earthers, and the intersection between the two groups is usually pretty thorough.
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American technologies really got a giant boost as a result of the original space program. We will benefit again with a return to the moon.
People in the Philippines still drink Tang!
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The USSR had a manned moon rocket program the N1. I think it is still the most powerful rocket ever built but unfortunately unsuccessful in the 4 launches attempted. One of the launches resulted in the largest non nuclear explosion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwopPDl3Oo
The world of tomorrow…
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You will be arrested for just making a fist and saying that today
Eagler
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I remember about the time Apollo 11 landed, the Russians had some kind of non-manned thing crash on the moon
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I remember about the time Apollo 11 landed, the Russians had some kind of non-manned thing crash on the moon
They landed a few. Give credit where it's due. Nevertheless, they fell far short of their ambitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_programme
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I remember about the time Apollo 11 landed, the Russians had some kind of non-manned thing crash on the moon
Apollo 1 fire
On Jan. 27, 1967, a fire ignited in the Apollo 1 command module in the middle of a launch rehearsal. All three astronauts inside the module — Roger Chaffee, Ed White and Virgil "Gus" Grissom — died in the blaze.
An investigation later found that a stray spark, likely from damaged wires, started the fire. The module's pure-oxygen environment and flammable interior fed the conflagration. And the astronauts couldn't escape, because the hatch door opened inward and the pressure inside from the fire was so great that the astronauts couldn't pull the door open.
"It [the fire] both threatened the [Apollo 11] mission and made the mission possible," said Robert Pearlman, a U.S. space historian and the founder and editor of collectSpace. "It did set back the program for a year; they didn't fly again until 1968. But it also gave NASA the opportunity to step back, rethink its priorities."
NASA redesigned the hatch and enacted other safety measures, which ensured that the Apollo 11 mission wouldn't face similar obstacles in space.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
It would be, Brezhnev hoped, a Soviet triumph on the 50th anniversary of the Communist revolution. Brezhnev made it very clear he wanted this to happen.
The problem was Gagarin. Already a Soviet hero, the first man ever in space, he and some senior technicians had inspected the Soyuz 1 and had found 203 structural problems — serious problems that would make this machine dangerous to navigate in space. The mission, Gagarin suggested, should be postponed.
The question was: Who would tell Brezhnev? Gagarin wrote a 10-page memo and gave it to his best friend in the KGB, Venyamin Russayev, but nobody dared send it up the chain of command. Everyone who saw that memo, including Russayev, was demoted, fired or sent to diplomatic Siberia. With less than a month to go before the launch, Komarov realized postponement was not an option. He met with Russayev, the now-demoted KGB agent, and said, "I'm not going to make it back from this flight."
Russayev asked, Why not refuse? According to the authors, Komarov answered: "If I don't make this flight, they'll send the backup pilot instead." That was Yuri Gagarin. Vladimir Komarov couldn't do that to his friend. "That's Yura," the book quotes him saying, "and he'll die instead of me. We've got to take care of him." Komarov then burst into tears.
On launch day, April 23, 1967, a Russian journalist, Yaroslav Golovanov, reported that Gagarin showed up at the launch site and demanded to be put into a spacesuit, though no one was expecting him to fly. Golovanov called this behavior "a sudden caprice," though afterward some observers thought Gagarin was trying to muscle onto the flight to save his friend. The Soyuz left Earth with Komarov on board.
Once the Soyuz began to orbit the Earth, the failures began. Antennas didn't open properly. Power was compromised. Navigation proved difficult. The next day's launch had to be canceled. And worse, Komarov's chances for a safe return to Earth were dwindling fast.
All the while, U.S. intelligence was listening in. The National Security Agency had a facility at an Air Force base near Istanbul. Previous reports said that U.S. listeners knew something was wrong but couldn't make out the words. In this account, an NSA analyst, identified in the book as Perry Fellwock, described overhearing Komarov tell ground control officials he knew he was about to die. Fellwock described how Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin called on a video phone to tell him he was a hero. Komarov's wife was also on the call to talk about what to say to their children. Kosygin was crying.
When the capsule began its descent and the parachutes failed to open, the book describes how American intelligence "picked up [Komarov's] cries of rage as he plunged to his death."
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Soviet version of Major Tom?
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I bet Earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it
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My parents lived in Moscow in 1969. I've had many conversations with them on the topic of the space race. The USSR, which had the technical capability to track the flight all the way to and from the moon, never made any serious attempts to deny it happened - and this was at the height of the cold war, when propagandizing American lies and failures were at a peak. How people with no technical (or mental) capability to speak of, try to today, defies reason.
Instead they took another route, and claimed that they were never in a space race to begin with - though surveillance images of Baikonur space launch facility showed clear signs of multiple failed launch attempts of very large and very powerful rockets, the very kind which would be required for lunar missions.
I'm sure Putin's government gets a kick out of modern denialism, though.
I view moon landing conspiracy theorists as one step removed from flat-Earthers, and the intersection between the two groups is usually pretty thorough.
That's very interesting.
where do your parents live now? Did they get out of the USSR?
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where do your parents live now? Did they get out of the USSR?
They went looking for Boroda and haven't been seen since...
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That's very interesting.
where do your parents live now? Did they get out of the USSR?
We came here in 1981. I was 4. Lived in Maryland, and then Delaware. Mom lives in Bethany beach now.
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I bet Earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it
At least we are not the Florida. :cool:
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At least we are not the Florida. :cool:
He was joking.
You are not, so please tell us all that you say is wrong or bad with Florida.
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People from all over the country are moving there, for some reason. Even Gavin Newsom's inlaws
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At least we are not the Florida. :cool:
More like the California or Chicago of the universe aka anus
To any intelligent life we are one step up from fire ants
Eagler
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Looking forward to 4k footage from the moon. Go NASA!
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It's really incredible to think of what an astonishing accomplishment the Apollo program was, and how fast it was out together.
I find it completely amazing that they test flew Saturn V two times (unmanned) and the 3rd flight (Apollo 8) was a crewed mission around the moon. That's so bold. Incredible.
The Saturn V flew from 1967 until 1973. 15 Launch capable vehicles were built and 13 were launched with no loss of crew or payload. They sent 24 men to the moon between 1967 and 1972.
The last Saturn V launch was to put Skylab into orbit.
It was a HUGE national effort that employed up to 400,000 people and cost almost 26 billion dollars - 300 billion adjusted for inflation today.
A lot of new technology came out of the program and it's still considered a stunning accomplishment. Maybe mankind's greatest technical accomplishment.
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People from all over the country are moving there, for some reason. Even Gavin Newsom's inlaws
I love Florida. Our world would be less humorous without it. It's a well-spring of internet meme's.
https://nypost.com/article/crazy-florida-man-headlines-that-made-the-meme/ (https://nypost.com/article/crazy-florida-man-headlines-that-made-the-meme/)
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I lived there 20 years, can't imAGINE going there between May and September now
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I get why a lot of east coasters think of Florida. To get away from the cold. More freedom, less expensive. For me, I could not bare the weather. Completly miserable to me. Also, I found Florida to be flat and ugly.
Arizona is hot as hell (in places) but it's a lot better weather than Florida, it's clean, modern and beautiful. Probably one of the most freedoms of ant state too.
California has the best weather and is very beautiful, but it's expensive and freedoms are stifled. High taxes. It's a one-party state politically and they are mostly soft on crime - to an insane degree in some cases.
Still, California is a very large state - and there are nice places that are affordable out of the big cities. I like the mountain and canyon areas.
I'm looking at Michigan properties. I'm not sure I can handle that cold, but Michigan is beautiful and very affordable. I could get some acreage and a decent house with out buildings at pretty crazy-low prices. Plus I have friends there.
I'm still looking at Arizona. I know Arizona pretty well. I know a lot of small towns that would be just amazing - but those are all pretty expensive now.
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I get why a lot of east coasters think of Florida. To get away from the cold. More freedom, less expensive. For me, I could not bare the weather. Completly miserable to me. Also, I found Florida to be flat and ugly.
They have some nice beaches.
I grew up in Houston. It is as flat, ugly, and hurricane infested as Florida, but not nearly as nice beaches. :rolleyes:
I'd have some concerns taking up long term residence in AZ. I think they are facing some severe water crisis over the coming decades that there may be no good solution for.
They have far exceeded the natural population carrying capacity of the region and life there could get increasingly painful over time. The only reason some of those large population centers in the desert can exist is by piping in water from other states hundreds of miles away. As water becomes more scarce for everyone, that vulnerability might lead to painful de-population trends in the future.
What would happen to Phoenix if AZ could no longer pipe water in from other states? What would be the "natural" population of that state based on local water capacity?
https://www.circleofblue.org/2022/wef/arizonas-future-water-shock/ (https://www.circleofblue.org/2022/wef/arizonas-future-water-shock/)
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Well, Arizona doesn't pipe water in from other states, They share the Colorado river water with Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, and California through the 1922 The Colorado River Compact .
It's true that Arizona is going to be hurting. Even the wells in some mountain communities are drying up. Water is the number one concern is most western states. That's because of drought.
you can go here to see how much each state gets. California and Colorado get the most water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact
Phoenix gets 90 percent of it's water from snow runoff from the mountains.
Arizona's water usage is actually below 1957 levels.
Arizona gets 36% of it's water from the Colorado river, which flows along it's borer and through the north of the state.
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It's true that Arizona is going to be hurting. Even the wells in some mountain communities are drying up. Water is the number one concern is most western states. That's because of drought.
Texas is beginning to see water insecurity but not as bad as further west.
Part of that is exacerbated by the periodic droughts, but there are also more fundamental factors.
A lot of Texas relies on it's water from the underground aquifers. Those took tens of thousands of years to fill during previous ice ages. They have been drained at an alarming rate over the last 100 years. At a rate that can't be hoped to be replenished. Rural wells needing to be drilled deeper and deeper or abandoned are becoming more common in central north Texas. That will only get worse with continued population growth.
On my land, I decided not to bother with a well. I use rain water harvesting and cistern storage. You just need to size your storage to collect enough during the rain season to get you through the dry season. But I can manage and ration my own water use. I have control over that. Drilling into an aquifer is becoming dependent on a shared resource where I can't control how others waste it. Like pouring it on cantaloups being grown in the desert around San Antonio. Some day, if big AG is force to pay the true cost of it's water usage it might rethink growing cantaloups in the desert. And don't get me started on manicured lawns or using purified drinking water to flush our toilets. :rolleyes:
Before 1900 and the improvements in drilling tech and electrification to run pumps 24/7, rainwater harvesting and cisterns were the norm in vast swaths of rural Texas.
You'd be amazed at how much water comes off a average sized house from a 1" rain shower. A 2000 sqft house roof will harvest around 1240 gal from a single 1" shower.
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Yeh, you've got a good plan. I agree on the water waste for AG. AG takes most of the water in Arizona and California.
Arizona and California have a lot of mountains and get a lot of water from snow runoff. I've seen how we can go from water conservation to full water reserves in California in just one year.
Texas has to get it's water from underground or from rain, I'd imagine. Like you said - that underground supply is not unlimited.
In some places in California it's illegal to capture rainwater.
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I lived there 20 years, can't imAGINE going there between May and September now
Going on 52 years off and on..
Early morning till 11 and many/most early eves from 6 to 8 depending on the rain patterns are most comfortable during the summer months to my 63 year old bones and the wife..nothing more relaxing than watching the hummingbirds and butterflies while listening to the cicadas rolling melody on the screened in back patio..
The best weather in the country is right around the corner for us imo
Beaches, fishing, skiing hunting...if you like outdoors or crowded overpriced amusement parks Florida is hard to beat
119 heat index and humidity you can swim in at 3pm is the other side of that coin this time of year..not the place for an outside job of any kind though I did it for decades 1979 to 2000
:cheers:
Eagler
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I get why a lot of east coasters think of Florida. To get away from the cold. More freedom, less expensive. For me, I could not bare the weather. Completly miserable to me. Also, I found Florida to be flat and ugly.
Arizona is hot as hell (in places) but it's a lot better weather than Florida, it's clean, modern and beautiful. Probably one of the most freedoms of ant state too.
California has the best weather and is very beautiful, but it's expensive and freedoms are stifled. High taxes. It's a one-party state politically and they are mostly soft on crime - to an insane degree in some cases.
Still, California is a very large state - and there are nice places that are affordable out of the big cities. I like the mountain and canyon areas.
I'm looking at Michigan properties. I'm not sure I can handle that cold, but Michigan is beautiful and very affordable. I could get some acreage and a decent house with out buildings at pretty crazy-low prices. Plus I have friends there.
I'm still looking at Arizona. I know Arizona pretty well. I know a lot of small towns that would be just amazing - but those are all pretty expensive now.
Bear, bear the weather...
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Kali may be in for a big surprise someday.
https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/
...Stine, who has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada, said that the past century has been among the wettest of the last 7,000 years...
So the great expansion of population and habitation there happens to coincide with the wettest century in 7000 years. Lucky them, eh?
But....
The longest droughts of the 20th century, what Californians think of as severe, occurred from 1987 to 1992 and from 1928 to 1934. Both, Stine said, are minor compared to the ancient droughts of 850 to 1090 and 1140 to 1320.
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The opposition to NIMBY desalination plants may decrease.
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Kali may be in for a big surprise someday.
https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/
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The opposition to NIMBY desalination plants may decrease.
Years ago I pointed that out to Beetle when he was going on about the drought and climate change.
It's normal for California to be dry and have droughts. LONG droughts.
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Harvesting rainwater is illegal in many places. I wonder why that is?
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Harvesting rainwater is illegal in many places. I wonder why that is?
Most of those laws are really old and had to do with preventing upstream ranchers from stopping run-off from entering the shared stream\river system that downstream farmers\ranchers relied upon. They are way out of date for the most part and make no sense at all in urban areas.
If fact it should be code for residential to have rainwater tanks for use in toilet flushing and lawn care instead of using expensively purified drinking water for those purposes.
It would also save cities a lot of money on storm sewer system that have to handle all that unnatural water-shed coming off the paved cityscape without collection or enough greenery to absorb the rainfall. Instead that massive flow has to be handled by ever bigger storm sewer systems.
But we all know how hard it is to get rid of a law once it's on the books. Up until 1973 it was illegal to carry wire cutters in your vehicle in Texas. A leftover vestige of the range war days. :rofl
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I was just checking the laws in California and I didn't realize that in 2012 they stopped regulating the collection of rainwater.
The old laws were in place mostly because they thought they were protecting water rights for owners where the water would normally flow to them. Just outdated thinking really.
So California does not regulate the collection of rainwater.
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Waiting for the pics that will shut up the “we didn’t go” people.
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Waiting for the pics that will shut up the “we didn’t go” people.
Have you ever tried to engage one of those people? There's a flat earth guy at FW. Nothing anyone explains, shows or reasons ever budged him one millimeter.
I told him we should open a crowdfunding effort and send him on a flight with Jeff Bezos or something.
have yourself a gander at this thread. It's 189 pages and still going.
https://www.flamewarriors.net/forum/index.php?thread/7697-the-infinite-plane-universe-flat-earth/&pageNo=1
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The real vs fake boobs would be just as long were it all in one thread
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Waiting for the pics that will shut up the “we didn’t go” people.
I'm pretty sure you can see the landing site from google moon. I can't figure out how to navigate it though..
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Didn't read the whole thread so if someone already mentioned Helium-3, sorry. If we ever get a handle on fusion power generation all that Helium-3 on the surface of the moon could be real handy.
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How do you get the helium back to earth without using more energy than the helium is worth?
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Have you ever tried to engage one of those people? There's a flat earth guy at FW. Nothing anyone explains, shows or reasons ever budged him one millimeter.
I told him we should open a crowdfunding effort and send him on a flight with Jeff Bezos or something.
have yourself a gander at this thread. It's 189 pages and still going.
https://www.flamewarriors.net/forum/index.php?thread/7697-the-infinite-plane-universe-flat-earth/&pageNo=1
Lazs is still alive?!
That made my day.
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Lazs is still alive?!
That made my day.
haha! Yes!
Several of us from FW met up at his house last year.
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He needs someone new to argue with too
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How do you get the helium back to earth without using more energy than the helium is worth?
A pipeline, maybe.
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haha! Yes!
Several of us from FW met up at his house last year.
Just checked out that forum. Jesus Christ.
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Not for the feint of heart
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There's really nothing outrageous about flame warriors. It's just people having fun and posting whatever they want without some moderator arbitrarily deciding what to moderate.
There are very few things that would ever get moderated on that forum. One of them is spam.
But if you go look through the threads over there you'll see that most of the conversations are just freewheeling and not outrageous in any way.
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There's really nothing outrageous about flame warriors. It's just people having fun and posting whatever they want without some moderator arbitrarily deciding what to moderate.
There are very few things that would ever get moderated on that forum. One of them is spam.
But if you go look through the threads over there you'll see that most of the conversations are just freewheeling and not outrageous in any way.
That sounds spooky!
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There's really nothing outrageous about flame warriors. It's just people having fun and posting whatever they want without some moderator arbitrarily deciding what to moderate.
There are very few things that would ever get moderated on that forum. One of them is spam.
But if you go look through the threads over there you'll see that most of the conversations are just freewheeling and not outrageous in any way.
FW is a leg hump 45 board. If you don't hump 45, you are relentlessly attacked. Spam is anything that doesn't support hump 45. ICOM is almost as bad.
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I can see how a TDS sufferer might get that impression. However, Believe it or not (and I know you don't, judging from your posts here)... not ever subject is related to "45".
I know I'm speaking to a brick wall.
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So yeah... You might as well get this thread closed too.
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FW is a leg hump 45 board. If you don't hump 45, you are relentlessly attacked. Spam is anything that doesn't support hump 45. ICOM is almost as bad.
is that why you were there for 15 years until I kicked you out?
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is that why you were there for 15 years until I kicked you out?
:ahand
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is that why you were there for 15 years until I kicked you out?
So freedom of speech only goes so far, eh?
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I can see how a TDS sufferer might get that impression. However, Believe it or not (and I know you don't, judging from your posts here)... not ever subject is related to "45".
I know I'm speaking to a brick wall.
I am not the brick wall sluggo. :)
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So freedom of speech only goes so far, eh?
There are 4 simple rules.
I did not permanently ban him. I have only permanently banned one person in 15 years, and that involved the FBI.
You might like it there. No one will bite. We have some pretty radical left guys there that do post ant- 45 stuff all the time. One guy actually just spams it. Milo used to be one of those.
There is complete freedom of speech there, but I won't allow anything illegal, NTSF stuff out of the designated area and no spamming.
One thing that I recently added - since I am no longer there as a member... I probably not allow anyone disrespecting me like Milo did. I didn't mind when I was there to defend myself, but now I am paying for that place and I may or may not get upset if someone refers to me as an "it" after all I provided for the place.
I'm human and I'm a good person. It takes A LOT to get me upset - and even then I have NEVER used my moderator powers to mess with anyone. I am completely fair and almost impossible to rattle.
My number one responsibility is to be completely unbiased in moderation. I think if you ask anyone, they will tell you that no one could possibly be more fair than I am.
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There's really nothing outrageous about flame warriors. It's just people having fun and posting whatever they want without some moderator arbitrarily deciding what to moderate.
There are very few things that would ever get moderated on that forum. One of them is spam.
But if you go look through the threads over there you'll see that most of the conversations are just freewheeling and not outrageous in any way.
You got at least one dude there advocating for a second holocaust. Funny, I suppose, to the right crowd, but definitely not my cup of tea.
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Freedom of speech is hard. Then again no one is forcing you to hear or read… walk/scroll past. Crazy talk, right?
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as long as no one does anything illegal, it's just free speech and not harming anyone. I doubt whoever said that was serious. I didn't see the comment though. It's a very busy forum and I don't even go over there often. Maybe once a week at most.
I met a lot of good people through that forum. And we don't all agree politically, but people are friends. We lost several people too. Some of that hurt pretty deeply. People pass away and a era is just gone.
In the very beginning, people flooded over to that forum. At first it was pretty novel - that they could cuss or call me names, or say what they wanted. After a few weeks it just settled into a bunch of people that started out with similar interests. In flying, Aces High, Air Warrior, gaming, history, etc
I got upset with those guys and left, but I still love those guys. All of them - even Milo and Spitbull.
I may go back some day. I miss them.
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is that why you were there for 15 years until I kicked you out?
It was a thankless task trying to get the leg humpers to stop humping. :)
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ok, Milo actually made a funny
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You might like it there. No one will bite. We have some pretty radical left guys there that do post ant- 45 stuff all the time. One guy actually just spams it. Milo used to be one of those.
I posted more than 45 truth stuff.
I'm human and I'm a good person. It takes A LOT to get me upset - and even then I have NEVER used my moderator powers to mess with anyone. I am completely fair and almost impossible to rattle.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl