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Title: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: haggerty on September 02, 2022, 03:29:32 AM
AwardPlayerAmountK/D
Conscientious objector(Women gun kills > 25% total kills)ShadowX247/641
72Dodge169/285
Cue110/251
GreyWolf105/296
FlackYou99/323
Munteg86/350
Thrill Seaker(Fighter kills/hr)atlau12.96
DR7 Award(IL-2/JU-87 kills)Croc143
Phalanx(Anti-Air kills)oldAngus211
Kurt Knispel Award(Tank K/D)TyFoo4.09
S/Sgt Michael Arooth Award(Gunnery kills)MeTa335
Memphis Belle Award(Total Bomber Damage)Cat740,317,310
Richard Bong AwardTop US fighter kills00PK3534
P-47MTHRASH992182.69
P-51D00PK1963.84
F6FStoesy1931.2
FM2TechWrek1722.69
P-51B00PK1194.41
F4U-1Aatlau11015.71
P-40NVraciu1013.37
P-38Lwizzo930.8
P-47-D11Cheroke6792.39
P-47-D40StarPig763.62
F4U-4Simon663.67
F4U-1CHumboldt604.62
F4U-1Stepsis559.17
P-38GHoagi494.9
F4U-1DMako431.65
P-40CVraciu423.82
Erich Hartmann AwardTop German fighter killsTheJudge10638.17
Fw-190DTheJudge8478.39
Bf 109K-4Cat718921
Bf 109G-14TheJudge1585.85
Fw-190A-8DrtyBrd1586.08
Bf 110G-2HORRIDO11571.37
Bf 109G-2Eagler1571.89
Ta 152H1986Spce1561.49
Me 262MAKAYLA9531.67
Me 163Shame6923
Fw 190A-5MAKAYLA453.75
James Edgar Johnson AwardTop UK fighter killsHaggerty4636.91
TempestAKCaine2916.33
TyphoonHaggerty2409.6
Spitfire Mk XVIBTSunDwn1811.83
Mosquito Mk VIMaineac11371.14
Hurricane IICHaggerty892.78
Spitfire Mk IXBiggles2784.11
Seafirentjunior551.57
Spitfire Mk VIIITopGunzo405.71
Spitfire Mk VSIGSauer331
Ivan Kozhedub AwardTop Soviet fighter killsgp52481.02
Yak-3gp52471.02
La-7PropNut2041.81
Yak-9Ufishngy531
La-5FNPropNut411.21
I-16oldAngus382.24
Tetsuzō Iwamoto AwardTop Japanese fighter killsKONG1693.93
N1K2KONG1633.79
Ki-84-Iakamurogi1304.81
A6M5bGryBusey600.7
Ki-61Tongs473.13
Ki-43Slaxer363.6
Teresio Vittorio Martinoli AwardTop Italian fighter killsaltair1062.47
C.205altair1062.47
Ilmari Juutilainen AwardTop Finish fighter killsZE2082.45
Brewster B-239ZE2082.45

*Planes selected if I found someone with over 30 kills for the month in them.  For total kills, looked at all players with one category win

Planes that didnt make the cut if you are looking for a way to make the board this month:
A6M2
A6M3
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110C-4
C.202
F4F-4
Fw 190F-8
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IID
Me 410
P-38J
P-40E
P-40F
P-47-D25
Sea Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk I
Yak-7B
Yak-9T
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Max on September 02, 2022, 06:43:54 AM
WTG ACHOO! and the rest of the gang
(Vraciu)
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Vraciu on September 02, 2022, 10:15:46 AM
Thanks MiN.   I was wanting the Clive Caldwell Award but it didn't get published this time.   :cry
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: whiteman on September 02, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
 :aok :salute
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nopoop on September 02, 2022, 02:33:24 PM
Look foreward to this list. Thanks for doing it
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Eagler on September 03, 2022, 06:23:11 AM
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php

You can see that info here, click on the plane

Eagler
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Gooss on September 03, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Haggerty, thank you.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Eagler on September 04, 2022, 07:19:35 AM
Fighter kills by hour is the most impressive stat there imo

<S> atlau

Eagler
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Lusche on September 04, 2022, 10:24:30 AM
Quote from: Eagler on September 04, 2022, 07:19:35 AM
Fighter kills by hour is the most impressive stat there imo

<S> atlau

Eagler



some context:

(https://i.imgur.com/TrDDBej.png)

The median is even lower, especially if you would filter out the two sortie wonders.  Which is also necessary to declare Atlau actual #1 in K/H, the seven guys on top of him in HTCs k/h ranking all did only one or two sorties at most, none of them have over 14 minutes sortie time total.


Another interesting side note: Atlau is ranked #2 in k/d, #3 in k/s, #8 in k/h, #5 in hit%, #8 in kill points, which made him rightfully #1 in fighter score tour 271

In August 06 (tour 79), with those stats he would have ranked #4. #14, #36, #42 and #262(!) respectively, for an overall fighter rank of #6 (still impressive)

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Eagler on September 04, 2022, 11:43:34 AM
In aug 06 my guess is his kills would be much higher as there would be a very noticeable increase in targets

Eagler
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Lusche on September 04, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Eagler on September 04, 2022, 11:43:34 AM
In aug 06 my guess is his kills would be much higher as there would be a very noticeable increase in targets


Possibly, yes. But he would have faced much stiffer opposition too. But that's all speculation, I just can transfer scores back in time, not players ;)
It just shows, how much the combat environment in AH has changed over the years. Fewer targets, longer flights (avg fighter mode sortier duration was 8 minutes in summer 2006, now it's 10), fewer opportunities for multi-kill sorties, much more difficult to get any success in handicapped rides like Hurri I or I16 due to much 'faster' combats, and so on.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Lazerr on September 04, 2022, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: Lusche on September 04, 2022, 11:53:02 AM

Possibly, yes. But he would have faced much stiffer opposition too. But that's all speculation, I just can transfer scores back in time, not players ;)
It just shows, how much the combat environment in AH has changed over the years. Fewer targets, longer flights (avg fighter mode sortier duration was 8 minutes in summer 2006, now it's 10), fewer opportunities for multi-kill sorties, much more difficult to get any success in handicapped rides like Hurri I or I16 due to much 'faster' combats, and so on.

Yeah it's hard to tell.  Pulling off high scoring numbers like that back in the day took a lot higher SA as there was triple if not quadruple the threats in the air.  Some threats, and some targets.  I notice now higher kills per hour are harder to achieve, but the kills per death a little easier as it's much easier to put yourself in a favorable situation to survive.

I stopped playing this style years ago, but I used to enjoy seeing how far I could get into a tour without dieing.  It grew old to me, on top of the fact I'm rusty about every time I log in.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 05, 2022, 11:51:42 AM
You can see the death knell of value-of-entertainment in that score board. One of those top scoring players has deficient ACM but compensates for that with highly risk-averse gameplay. Yes very realistic if your life and a greater conflict are the stakes. For entertainment, not so much.

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Lusche on September 05, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: nrshida on September 05, 2022, 11:51:42 AM
You can see the death knell of value-of-entertainment in that score board. One of those top scoring players has deficient ACM but compensates for that with highly risk-averse gameplay. Yes very realistic if your life and a greater conflict are the stakes. For entertainment, not so much.


You had the same thing a decade ago. Of course, someone "optimizing" his fighting that way has a good chance to get to the top - but he still has to be a very good pilot, and most of the players do not exactly fly that way. Very few players actually care about rank that much.

Also, players have quite diverging opinions about what's "entertaining" and what is not ;)
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 05, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
Quote from: Lusche on September 05, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
Also, players have quite diverging opinions about what's "entertaining" and what is not ;)

That is a fair point but individual opinions are not the focus when discussiing an entertainment based on interaction?

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 05, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: nrshida on September 05, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
That is a fair point but individual opinions are not the focus when discussiing an entertainment based on interaction?

^ That's just a propsition for discussion Lusche <Shrug>

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Lusche on September 05, 2022, 02:20:13 PM
The #1 ranked fighter pilot was interacting a damn lot with other players, at a very high rate. Much more than, for example, #5 - me.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 06, 2022, 07:04:34 AM
Does TheJudge make the case that the 190d should be perked? Sure seems like it. 190D is now surpassing the P51 in most kills and has .05 better K/D than the P51, which is quite a lot. I realize this is mostly because of the TheJudge skewing the #s. But it does show what a menace to the game that plane can be in the hands of someone who flies it too much. I'm sure with the amount of kills he has in that thing, more than a few players have been turned off from the game by it. Any plane that can accel quickly and dive at 550 mph is a very advantaged in the game today.

The tempest should be perked much higher aswell. The spit16 and La7 perked.

I'd like to see the top ranked fly not so dweeby gun n run planes all of the time, leave those to the "Noobs". Which is the excuse I get when "those planes shouldn't be perked to give the noobs a chance". They have no chance if top ranked players are mostly flying them too.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 08:58:59 AM
I thought it implicit that entertainment needed to require a bit of 'win' on both sides (if not necessarily 50-50), not just sitting on a perch or patrolling at alt looking for easy kills when others are disadvantaged be it through engagement or otherwise. I'd rather describe that as an asymetrical exploitation.

Anyone who plays hours like that will get very good at gunnery (higher percentage of trigger time) and risk-assessment. I don't consider him a very good pilot. A good accountant maybe.

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 09:02:43 AM
Quote from: DmonSlyr on September 06, 2022, 07:04:34 AM
I'm sure with the amount of kills he has in that thing, more than a few players have been turned off from the game by it.

Of course. That's the rub of "it's his $15". If three people don't bother resubscribing because...

Lusche, he ^ (Violator) is a good pilot.  :aok  I don't think we've ever fought Lusche so I simply don't know. No offence inferred.

Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: whiteman on September 06, 2022, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 08:58:59 AM
I thought it implicit that entertainment needed to require a bit of 'win' on both sides (if not necessarily 50-50), not just sitting on a perch or patrolling at alt looking for easy kills when others are disadvantaged be it through engagement or otherwise. I'd rather describe that as an asymetrical exploitation.

Anyone who plays hours like that will get very good at gunnery (higher percentage of trigger time) and risk-assessment. I don't consider him a very good pilot. A good accountant maybe.



This game has a lot of accountants.
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: whiteman on September 06, 2022, 09:39:28 AM
This game has a lot of accountants.

Used to have a lot more sportsman.  :salute
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 06, 2022, 01:27:56 PM
Well... I am a Controller/Accountant  :D
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: DmonSlyr on September 06, 2022, 01:27:56 PM
Well... I am a Controller/Accountant  :D

Not when you fly. You're a poker-player.  :salute
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: Brooke on September 06, 2022, 09:37:48 PM
I invite them all to fly in the October scenario.

For glorious combat in a battle over Sicily.

https://ahevents.net/index.php/events/scenarios/current-or-next-scenario
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 07, 2022, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: nrshida on September 06, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Not when you fly. You're a poker-player.  :salute

I appreciate that! But I am terrible at poker  ;)
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 07, 2022, 01:12:32 PM
Yeah you play poker like an accountant  :rofl
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 07, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
Accounting is logical, poker is rational. You can only be one  :old:
Title: Re: Tour 271 Winners!
Post by: nrshida on September 07, 2022, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: DmonSlyr on September 07, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
Accounting is logical, poker is rational. You can only be one  :old:

I'm screwed then look at my alternating signature  :rofl