General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -gg- on September 09, 2022, 08:22:46 AM
Title: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: -gg- on September 09, 2022, 08:22:46 AM
Kind of interesting. I think it's a great looking truck with a lot of neat features. If this were priced in the 30k range, I'd buy one. These are probably over 100k though. Who can afford that?
Plus you have range issues, but that will eventually get better.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: sparky127 on September 09, 2022, 08:24:26 AM
I'll have an electric car one day. Probably the cheap Tesla.
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Post by: Spikes on September 09, 2022, 08:25:18 AM
Base model is under $50k. Ford Maverick, albeit a hybrid, starts at around $20k.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: sparky127 on September 09, 2022, 08:32:21 AM
Big three are YEARS behind Tesla. Here's a Neato question.. What do you suppose the average cost of a new car is in the US?
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: -gg- on September 09, 2022, 08:33:58 AM
I think the guys in the video go that truck as one of the very first ones for 71K and they plan to keep it for a year and sell it for 100k. Just like when hot new car comes out, you probably can't get one for anywhere near the listed price. They will all be a lot higher for awhile I think.
I want an EV explorer. So I looked it up just now and found an interesting not from Ford CEO, Jim Farley
Ford’s current EV plan is specifically focused on what the automaker considers its “iconic” models, as well as commercial vehicles, though CEO Jim Farley recently stated that future EVs won’t simply be electric versions of existing ICE-powered models. This means that vehicles likes the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning – which is essentially just an electrified F-150 – won’t be emulated in the future, and that apparently includes the forthcoming Ford Explorer EV. In fact, while speaking at the 2022 Alliance Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference, Farley went so far as to say that traditional Explorer customers may not like the all-electric vehicles the automaker is cooking up.
“On the EV business, you got to make sure that you don’t just have electric digital versions of your ICE products,” Farley said. “To have top end engineering much less, like Tesla has shown us, you have to approach the creation of the product through a conquest methodology. You design the product so they are actually incredibly painfully advanced. You over invest in electric architecture and embedded system, the way they look, the digital experience inside of them. It’s probably not going to be comfortable for our current customers who buy an Explorer.”
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Post by: Chalenge on September 09, 2022, 02:47:24 PM
No thanks.
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Post by: TryHard on September 09, 2022, 06:42:17 PM
I'm still not sold on fuel injection.
Will be a long time before I consider anything electric or anything made after 2005.
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Post by: Shuffler on September 10, 2022, 02:30:20 AM
Will be a long time before I consider anything electric or anything made after 2005.
Injection is OK but these modern dingeldangels in subfolder of a sub subfolder in touchscreen not. Neither are vehicles which do what they want instead what driver is asking. My friend had a crash when he tried to avoid a collision w/ a truck by drifting but ESC forced car straight to it. Bang. Broken ribs, ruined Citroen.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: Tig on September 10, 2022, 10:51:59 AM
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Post by: Shuffler on September 10, 2022, 12:44:37 PM
I remember the days where they pushed gas homes over electric because they are vastly more efficient.
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Post by: bj229r on September 10, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
More than a few cities where new gas homes aren't even allowed, infrastructure not even going in. CA can get by with that, but not the northeast. Doesn't take much electricity to run a gas heater
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Post by: Dichotomy on September 10, 2022, 05:16:32 PM
i'm about 10 years from needing a new car my 2015 Tacoma has about 65000 miles on it and it's well maintained so I figure a good 300k out of it before the wheels fall off. I may trade in my parents Escape when they pass and get me a Mustang for a 'play' car. So I'm good thanks
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: Shuffler on September 10, 2022, 10:50:37 PM
More than a few cities where new gas homes aren't even allowed, infrastructure not even going in. CA can get by with that, but not the northeast. Doesn't take much electricity to run a gas heater
Cali is leaning hard on gas right now with their electricity shortage.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: TryHard on September 10, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
Mechanical fuel injection. A large air-door/flap in front of the throttle body connected to a fuel valve functioned as a mass air flow sensor of sorts and it was a "constant spray" type of injection where the injectors spray fuel on all 4 strokes (360 degrees) regardless of intake valve position.
The Rochester mechanical fuel injection was an option on 283 and 327 small block chevys from 57-65 in more than just the corvette.
Nothing wrong with modern Sequential fuel injection, a big part of what i do for a living is tuning late model cars (mostly GM but some ford and dodge) and with the technology and computing power nowadays you can really squeeze every ounce of power out of an engine on the ragged edge of blowing with the closed loop fueling, twin independent variable cam timing, knock sensors per cylinder making sure that a 2.7 liter turbocharged gas engine in a 6,000 lbs pickup truck lives (looking at you ford ecoboost) while making 400 ft lbs of torque.
But for me I'm just fine with 4 speed overdrive transmissions and port fuel injection with a damn throttle cable connected to the throttle body and not an electric sensor and motor failure waiting to happen. And my daily driver is a 97 K15 chevy with a 383 small block with a double pumper on it and ill take the 15 mpg on the highway for the mechanical simplicity of it all, can't fix a hung injector in the middle of the swamp 2 hours from the nearest closed autoparts store.
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Post by: bj229r on September 10, 2022, 11:09:09 PM
Citing the climate crisis, the Los Angeles City Council voted Friday to ban most gas appliances in new construction, a policy that’s expected to result in new homes and businesses coming equipped with electric stoves, clothes dryers, water heaters and furnaces.
More than 50 California cities and counties have adopted similar rules banning or discouraging gas hookups in new homes and other buildings. The nation’s second-largest city was late to the game, said Councilmember Nithya Raman, the policy’s lead author — but no longer.
Friday’s vote “puts us in line with climate leaders across the country,” she said in an interview.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: Shuffler on September 11, 2022, 08:26:57 AM
Citing the climate crisis, the Los Angeles City Council voted Friday to ban most gas appliances in new construction, a policy that’s expected to result in new homes and businesses coming equipped with electric stoves, clothes dryers, water heaters and furnaces.
More than 50 California cities and counties have adopted similar rules banning or discouraging gas hookups in new homes and other buildings. The nation’s second-largest city was late to the game, said Councilmember Nithya Raman, the policy’s lead author — but no longer.
Friday’s vote “puts us in line with climate leaders across the country,” she said in an interview.
Yes Cali is leaning heavily on gas to make electricity now. Many stories on it..... this is but one... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/07/california-heat-wave-climate-electricity/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/07/california-heat-wave-climate-electricity/)
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: bj229r on September 11, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
I suppose I'd rather be without power for hours ata time in CA than in MASS during the dead of winter. One advantage of gas is you can heat your home with a small generator, not so much with heat pump, etc
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: -gg- on September 11, 2022, 09:06:31 AM
I thought gas was clean energy? That doesn't even make sense.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: bj229r on September 11, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
NG is magnitudes cleaner than coal, so much so that so many power plants switched from coal to NG that our co2 emissions dropped even beyond what was required in the Paris Climate Accords. That being said, NG comes mostly from fracking, and that's ALSO a no-no
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: Shuffler on September 12, 2022, 10:41:35 PM
NG is magnitudes cleaner than coal, so much so that so many power plants switched from coal to NG that our co2 emissions dropped even beyond what was required in the Paris Climate Accords. That being said, NG comes mostly from fracking, and that's ALSO a no-no
Fracking has been in use since 1947.
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Post by: guncrasher on September 12, 2022, 10:49:17 PM
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Post by: bj229r on September 13, 2022, 06:36:28 AM
Well exactly who is this frank and what's so special about him?
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: icepac on September 13, 2022, 09:38:27 AM
I’ve been ramping up on electric cars and hybrids……for the last 20 years. Many tuning skills will transfer to electric. I am curious if any of the global warming people have considered the heat generated by an electric car. They’ve got radiators in them………..
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: bj229r on September 13, 2022, 10:29:23 AM
You pay me enough money to buy an electric car then I'll buy one. That point hasn't arrived yet
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Post by: mikeWe9a on September 14, 2022, 01:58:11 PM
I thought gas was clean energy? That doesn't even make sense.
Gas is CLEANER. That is, cleaner than coal or fuel oil, in that it produces less CO2 for a given amount of energy extracted. It still produces CO2, however. So replacing Coal with natural gas reduces CO2 emissions, but using additional Natural Gas without reducing Coal (or other high carbon fuel) increases CO2.
Title: Re: Mechanics poking around a Ford Lightning
Post by: bj229r on September 14, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Meanwhile China and India open another unfiltered coal-fired power plant every week and two on Thursday
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Post by: Shuffler on September 14, 2022, 04:19:58 PM
Saying you are not using fossil fuel then leaning heavily on fossil fuel.........