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Title: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Gogolinius on September 22, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Personal computing, cellular communications, internet... All of these technologies were either invented, pioneered or popularized by the Baby Boomers.  Moroever, it was the Boomers who were the original civil rights activists, the original climate change activists, and the first proponents of drug reforms.

Despite the fact that the modern world, including both good elements and bad, rests on the foundation which they created, every generation since, starting with my own, now demonizes them for being greedy, short-sighted and incapable of fluid thinking

Makes one wonder what today's youth is going to get from their kids and grandkids, considering how things are progressing.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Oldman731 on September 22, 2022, 12:59:34 PM
Despite the fact that the modern world, including both good elements and bad, rests on the foundation which they created, every generation since, starting with my own, now demonizes them for being greedy, short-sighted and incapable of fluid thinking


...well...er...we may be those things, too...

- oldman
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Eviscerate on September 22, 2022, 01:36:36 PM
Personal computing, cellular communications, internet... All of these technologies were either invented, pioneered or popularized by the Baby Boomers.  Moroever, it was the Boomers who were the original civil rights activists, the original climate change activists, and the first proponents of drug reforms.

Despite the fact that the modern world, including both good elements and bad, rests on the foundation which they created, every generation since, starting with my own, now demonizes them for being greedy, short-sighted and incapable of fluid thinking

Makes one wonder what today's youth is going to get from their kids and grandkids, considering how things are progressing.

OK, Boomer.  :D
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 22, 2022, 01:58:14 PM
when I read the title, I thought it was about ballistic missile submarines.

every generation has some good inventions. and they always complain about how much better than the previous generation they are and how the next generation is useless.


semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Busher on September 22, 2022, 05:33:41 PM

Makes one wonder what today's youth is going to get from their kids and grandkids, considering how things are progressing.

A lot of smart lip :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: bj229r on September 23, 2022, 12:27:29 PM
I expect the lion's share of Covid deaths are among boomers as well
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Gogolinius on September 23, 2022, 12:33:27 PM
I expect the lion's share of Covid deaths are among boomers as well

70% of fatalities were among those 70 years or older, so that's a pretty safe assumption.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Rich46yo on September 23, 2022, 12:46:04 PM
My generation was a sorry shadow of the WW2 generation which were our fathers and mothers.

As a kid I remember the fathers on the block going out in the middle of a freezing night to help the firemen put away their hoses after fighting a fire. My generation never did that, or things like it. Of course there were exceptions but all in all we just weren't the American's our parents were.

We never experienced the harshness of a severe economic depression or a world war and while there were a lot of technological advancements it was due more to the exponential nature of the growth of innovation, like a snow ball rolling down hill, then it was due to any generational genius. AND most of it was based on the consumer market. Thanks to our parents and the sacrifices they made we had more money to buy more things which meant more and better things were made.

So as the sun is setting on my generation I make no claims of greatness by us.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: GasTeddy on September 23, 2022, 04:23:45 PM
My generation was a sorry shadow of the WW2 generation which were our fathers and mothers.

As a kid I remember the fathers on the block going out in the middle of a freezing night to help the firemen put away their hoses after fighting a fire. My generation never did that, or things like it. Of course there were exceptions but all in all we just weren't the American's our parents were.

We never experienced the harshness of a severe economic depression or a world war and while there were a lot of technological advancements it was due more to the exponential nature of the growth of innovation, like a snow ball rolling down hill, then it was due to any generational genius. AND most of it was based on the consumer market. Thanks to our parents and the sacrifices they made we had more money to buy more things which meant more and better things were made.

So as the sun is setting on my generation I make no claims of greatness by us.

Hard times create strong people. Strong people create good times. good times create weak people. Weak people create hard times.

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Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 23, 2022, 05:28:55 PM
My generation was a sorry shadow of the WW2 generation which were our fathers and mothers.

As a kid I remember the fathers on the block going out in the middle of a freezing night to help the firemen put away their hoses after fighting a fire. My generation never did that, or things like it. Of course there were exceptions but all in all we just weren't the American's our parents were.

We never experienced the harshness of a severe economic depression or a world war and while there were a lot of technological advancements it was due more to the exponential nature of the growth of innovation, like a snow ball rolling down hill, then it was due to any generational genius. AND most of it was based on the consumer market. Thanks to our parents and the sacrifices they made we had more money to buy more things which meant more and better things were made.

So as the sun is setting on my generation I make no claims of greatness by us.

Baby boomers were the ones drafted to Nam like my uncle and Dad who went to the coast guard but they still tried to draft him in boot camp. Their father served in WW2. I'd say they were still extremely tough and intellegent people since they were a generation whose parents understood machinery and automobiles. Building things with their hands. Those kids were extremely brave after hearing their fathers stories. Many extremely proud strong Americans lost their lives in that war.  I think it was their kids in the 70s and 80s, spoiled on wealth from computer technology, infrastructure, and cheap standards of living in the 80s allowing an explosion of prosperity that made life easier. The drugs also got worse too. The kids who watched their dad's and grandfathers fight wars and live hard lives were tired of it. They became more socially enfluenced. It was their kids who turned out to be real idiots, I've been friends with many of them. I think young men like myself who had Boomer generation parents rather than 70-80s generation parents are far more successful and generally have a more patriotic view of America. Just my opinion. I also tend to think that it's the reason why boomers are attacked. They are more conservative and patriotic like my dad and uncle. I could think of no one the Nazis would hate more than the sons of the men who ruined their global takeover in 1945. You see now they are trying again a different way and they attack us the same way. Isn't it strange how we are only allowed to be patriotic in times of war or during the Olympics? Just saying.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Eagler on September 23, 2022, 05:29:12 PM
We are now on the left on that chart

Eagler

Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: sparky127 on September 23, 2022, 05:32:41 PM
Not a fan of the boomers.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: CptTrips on September 23, 2022, 06:09:23 PM

Boomer self-pity thread.  The irony...it's too much. :rofl

OK.  Technically I'm a Boomer too.  I was born in the last half of the last year.
But I identify as Gen-X not Boomer.  Respect my choice!

Every generation has their strengths, weaknesses and quirks.  Every generation is thought of a degenerate and not as virtuous as their own, or Heaven forbid their father's generation.

I can find you quotes of Athenians saying the same about their youths 2,500 yrs ago. 

When push comes to shove, American youths do what needs to be done.  Did you not watch all those young kids humping it in the deserts for over a decade of War on Terror?

Hitler thought the same thing about America's Greatest Generation.  They had not fought in WWI like him! They were slackers!  Soft.  Addicted to fancy cars, hamburgers, and Hollywood.  They didn't have the iron in their souls to become soldiers. 


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Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Eagler on September 23, 2022, 06:46:20 PM
Also on the left of that chart at the start of ww2

Eagler
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Gogolinius on September 23, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
Boomer self-pity thread.  The irony...it's too much. :rofl

OK.  Technically I'm a Boomer too.  I was born in the last half of the last year.
But I identify as Gen-X not Boomer.  Respect my choice!

Every generation has their strengths, weaknesses and quirks.  Every generation is thought of a degenerate and not as virtuous as their own, or Heaven forbid their father's generation.

I can find you quotes of Athenians saying the same about their youths 2,500 yrs ago. 

When push comes to shove, American youths do what needs to be done.  Did you not watch all those young kids humping it in the deserts for over a decade of War on Terror?

Hitler thought the same thing about America's Greatest Generation.  They had not fought in WWI like him! They were slackers!  Soft.  Addicted to fancy cars, hamburgers, and Hollywood.  They didn't have the iron in their souls to become soldiers. 


(https://c.tenor.com/84biKh8ihlIAAAAC/get-off-my-lawn.gif)

I was born in 1977, so no, it's not a self-pity thread.

Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 23, 2022, 07:00:26 PM
Baby boomers were the ones drafted to Nam like my uncle and Dad who went to the coast guard but they still tried to draft him in boot camp. Their father served in WW2. I'd say they were still extremely tough and intellegent people since they were a generation whose parents understood machinery and automobiles. Building things with their hands. Those kids were extremely brave after hearing their fathers stories. Many extremely proud strong Americans lost their lives in that war.  I think it was their kids in the 70s and 80s, spoiled on wealth from computer technology, infrastructure, and cheap standards of living in the 80s allowing an explosion of prosperity that made life easier. The drugs also got worse too. The kids who watched their dad's and grandfathers fight wars and live hard lives were tired of it. They became more socially enfluenced. It was their kids who turned out to be real idiots, I've been friends with many of them. I think young men like myself who had Boomer generation parents rather than 70-80s generation parents are far more successful and generally have a more patriotic view of America. Just my opinion. I also tend to think that it's the reason why boomers are attacked. They are more conservative and patriotic like my dad and uncle. I could think of no one the Nazis would hate more than the sons of the men who ruined their global takeover in 1945. You see now they are trying again a different way and they attack us the same way. Isn't it strange how we are only allowed to be patriotic in times of war or during the Olympics? Just saying.

violator don't forget the boomers also spit on soldiers returning from Vietnam.  they were also the hippies and some did a lot of drugs. they avoided the draft and burned the flag

not even gonna mention drugs which were easily available in Vietnam. and some came back messed up to a country that didn't really care. I remember my wife telling me how her father would pick up her mother and slammed her on the floor.

each generation has it's problems and it's judged by an older generation who always starts with we never did that when I was young, but sure as hell I bet somebody did.

100 years ago we had Bonnie and Clyde but it's the dust bowl that everybody talks about.


semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: nrshida on September 25, 2022, 02:16:27 AM
I think highlighting a group - which is after all an ill-defined or even arbitrary demographic - and then comparing that to other groups who lived in different levels of technological & societal development within different densities of population is indicative of an unhealthy and inappropriate fixation with divide and conquer  :old:

Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Eagler on September 25, 2022, 06:28:12 AM
I think highlighting a group - which is after all an ill-defined or even arbitrary demographic - and then comparing that to other groups who lived in different levels of technological & societal development within different densities of population is indicative of an unhealthy and inappropriate fixation with divide and conquer  :old:

Which is exactly what they do with everything these days...and it works I think through ignorance mainly with some guilt thrown in for good measure..

Eagler
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: nrshida on September 25, 2022, 10:12:13 AM
Which is exactly what they do with everything these days...

They? See there you go again.  :)  It's pervasive, isn't it?
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Eagler on September 25, 2022, 11:12:39 AM
You can change they to everyone if its easier to understand

Eagler
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Arlo on September 25, 2022, 11:15:41 AM
Pronoun fight! Pronoun fight!  :D
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2022, 11:37:31 AM
You can change they to everyone if its easier to understand

Eagler

you mean us.   me I don't think one generation is better than another.



semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: Tig on September 25, 2022, 01:03:58 PM
Maybe everyone deserves better, instead of this absolutely BS philosophy spreading around that disrespect is ok or cool. I see it literally everywhere in my Gen Z peers.
I love hanging out with baby boomers at the hangar because they have common sense. But that's not exclusive. I like hanging out with anyone with common sense, it just so happens most of the ones I know are baby boomers.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: thndregg on September 25, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
All I can say is that my mom, now in her early 70's, had a very hard life, as her parents did before her. With the way it turned out for her in 1950's Boise, Idaho as she was the poor girl going to school dressed in hand-me-downs sitting next to the rich kids. She hated the whole school experience. My grandfather was a carpenter who masterfully built many of the rich golf-course homes around the area (at a time when a builder specialized in ALL phases of construction), but could barely make ends meet with his family of six.

My parents did their best to impress upon me they weren't just going to GIVE me everything I wanted or needed to better myself. I earned small change doing odd jobs as a kid, and later, along with other teenagers, I did the normal thing of getting a job at McDonald's at 15 along with going to school. During summer vacation, I worked actually too many hours than was allowed by law for minors - oops - but didn't mind it a bit. It was from those experiences that to this day, while I still don't earn tons of money at nearly 50 years old, I don't WANT anyone to just give me everything. If I'm short on cash for something, I just work for it. Tried to impress this on my sons. Seeing how it goes..

EGG
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: -gg- on September 25, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
My mom is 79 and my dad is 78. Both of them grew up dirt poor.

My mom came from a family of 10 kids and my grandfather left them and abandoned them. They really just wore rags and hand me downs.

My dad and his three brothers started out in New Mexico on a small farm working chores before school. Again, dirt poor. My grandfather on this side of the family was a milk truck driver and my grandmother picked cotton and whatever else she could do to make extra money. They worked their tulips off..

My dad's side of the family, my grandfather and grandmother moved the family to Southern California in the 1950s..

My dad never worked for anybody in his life. Dropped out of school at 15 to go work for his brother at a car stereo business 58. Well not car stereo, car mono. Lol. They made it pretty well and they worked hard and we had a good life as kids. I mean we had a much better life than what they had.

I will forever be grateful for every small thing I am blessed with. I don't take anything for granted. Nothing. Nothing is a given and nobody is deserving of anything in this world. We are blessed by the Lord and that's just that.

I'm a happy person and a positive person. I work hard myself and I'm an honest person. My mom instilled honesty and all of us. Work hard and be honest. Be grateful for what you have.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2022, 05:22:30 PM
since this turned into a pity party. grew up splitting a cup of noodles 5 ways, helped my mom pick Chile and tomatoes.

at 20 I had a good job and supported my brothers and sisters

but that has nothing to do with this thread. I have 3 kids and they grew up learning that if you want something you have to work for it.  and they did.  I have 3 granddaughters that are well adjusted and when they get older, they know they will have to get a job.

that's why it bugs me kids now aways don't.... I used to hear the same thing about us. I just laugh every time I hear that.


semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: thndregg on September 25, 2022, 05:41:05 PM
since this turned into a pity party.

I don't know.. I don't see it quite like that. I'm glad that it built within us a much better sense of character. I don't look at it as being a victim of something. It just is, and we make the best of it.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: AKIron on September 25, 2022, 06:26:47 PM
So let's define "Boomers". my def is 1946 through 1964. I qualify.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
So let's define "Boomers". my def is 1946 through 1964. I qualify.

I  was born in 64, I don't qualify.


semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: -gg- on September 25, 2022, 07:08:51 PM
I'm a boomer - just at the tail end. 1964

I grew up in the 70's, basically.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: AKIron on September 25, 2022, 07:39:43 PM
We'll all be gone relatively soon. You're gonna miss us when we're gone.
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2022, 07:49:36 PM
so true just want to stick around to see my boys get married and meet my 2 youngest granddaughters. we talk on the phone but they live in Arkansas. maybe next Monday at my oldest son's wedding, they will be there.  didn't ask because I want to be surprised.

semp
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: bj229r on September 25, 2022, 09:33:57 PM
You get a generation or 2 that grew up in squalor, THEN the inevitable generation or 2 that had it easy. The second group rarely understands the first group
Title: Re: Boomers Deserve Better
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2022, 10:29:35 PM
not my kids, while they didn't starve like I did.  everything they have is due to them, they worked hard, but if they hadn't well there's always a cup of noodles. while I did help them here and there, they always knew they better work.

semp