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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: nopoop on September 27, 2022, 03:31:28 PM
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From another thread I'm curious.
Average is around 60ms from what I'm seeing.
Mine is 60ms rock solid with wifi..
Hardwiring for me wouldn't work being that the wire would run the length of my house.
If 60ms is the average I would think being average would be helpful from learning lag and having most at the same speeds.
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Hardwiring for me wouldn't work being that the wire would run the length of my house.
I saw a product that has two units using the power outlets in your house. One unit is plugged in near the router and the other is plugged in at the PC. Both have Ethernet lines in them.
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Connection speed is 460 Mbps Xfinity Cable (usually one of the TVs is streaming at the same time). Ping 8-15ms in AH
Connection speed in my 2500 Denali 488 Mbps. Have not tried to play Ah in there. :rofl
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Ping around 200... :embarrassed: As I live in Europe.
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I'd be a little weary of such connections. Most relay systems such as Dark noted, will still place an inherent latency just do due to fact their relays. doesn't matter the form factor.
Think of it as a long distance baton relay race, Each guy has to pass the baton his carrying to the next guy... now the first guy has to pass his baton to the next, but the next guy also has to pass the one he's carrying back; on down the line. Get it. Shorted distance with having to pass data back thru multiple relays is usually best.
Here's the skinny on any issues you can encounter even with hardwired lines.
1. EMI/EMF interference... bad one here - can be caused by even having any part of your system on anything like a microwave or similar device in the same room, or even an electrical circuit.
2. degraded cables.. even on inbound lines that others provided.
The lists go on and on.
In other words some times spending $150 to run a hardwired connection to where you wanted and adding a $50 router may work out better.
I can see your place so... I can only say I hope this helps.
Worid
U.S.Navy - ET IRev.
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I personal , depending on which connection (got 3) that I use can get between 80-120. But I leave in the country. (Which is why i have 3 connections, one always seems to act up.)
Worid
U.S.Navy - ET IRev.
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I played dialup until 2011 or so (boonies) usually had a steady 250 or so, game ran ok. Since then have used a wifi hotspot fed by a cell phone booster via an antenna booster atop a 25' fiberglass pole.. get about 6meg download.
Thankfully some presidential candidate made a lot of noise about rural high-speed... They have been replacing the short power poles for a few months, running fiber now, can't wait
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This is typical for me. Hard wired.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zGZWTbn/typical-htc-connex.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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50ms
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I'd be a little weary of such connections. Most relay systems such as Dark noted, will still place an inherent latency just do due to fact their relays. doesn't matter the form factor.
Think of it as a long distance baton relay race, Each guy has to pass the baton his carrying to the next guy... now the first guy has to pass his baton to the next, but the next guy also has to pass the one he's carrying back; on down the line. Get it. Shorted distance with having to pass data back thru multiple relays is usually best.
Here's the skinny on any issues you can encounter even with hardwired lines.
1. EMI/EMF interference... bad one here - can be caused by even having any part of your system on anything like a microwave or similar device in the same room, or even an electrical circuit.
2. degraded cables.. even on inbound lines that others provided.
The lists go on and on.
In other words some times spending $150 to run a hardwired connection to where you wanted and adding a $50 router may work out better.
I can see your place so... I can only say I hope this helps.
Worid
U.S.Navy - ET IRev.
No no no and no.
Wired range extenders are bridges, not relays. That said an ethernet cable should cover you up to 100m. Wifi extenders ARE relays.
EMI/EMF interface really needs something sitting beside the cable and running parallel to it. Microwaves do not interfere with ethernet (but they do with bluetooth and wifi).
At the end of the day you cannot beat an ethernet cable.
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I have seen a lot of people use the wifi extenders placed on the far end of the reach of their normal wifi, to where you only have 1 bar of wifi signal at the location of the extender. A wifi speed test on the original wifi signal will get you about 2-5 meg down on the original wifi. Then they cant understand why their new extender has full wifi bars but only puts out about 2-5 meg down.
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From another thread I'm curious.
Average is around 60ms from what I'm seeing.
Mine is 60ms rock solid with wifi..
Hardwiring for me wouldn't work being that the wire would run the length of my house.
If 60ms is the average I would think being average would be helpful from learning lag and having most at the same speeds.
are you talking about ping time? You might want to pull up the clipboard and check variance in game and compare. The variance is a good indicator of a solid connection, from what I understand.
I'll check mine in a few. I run wifi myself... but I can run hardwire too - just wanted less wires. I have not tested game numbers, but I do not notice any difference.
If you run a cable the length of the house, use CAT6 cable and you should be fine.
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This is what I've got right now in the tower.
(https://i.ibb.co/3k4NQHC/20220927-182202.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t3QsF5J)
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I'm old school and have always felt that a wired connection would be superior to a wireless connection. I couldn't tell you what my ping is because I never feel like I need to check it. I am on a fiber connection through Spectrum.
:cheers:
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In southern Philippines (Davao Del Sur, Mindanao), ping reads about 247. I'm on WiFi right next to a Nokia brand router/modem. Fiber service is through a fairly new competitor by the name of Converge. Speeds are 183 down/108 up to the random server bandwidthplace.com selected in Hong Kong.
Now I just gotta find time to fly with my squaddies stateside as I'm 12 hours ahead of EST.
EGG
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I'm old school and have always felt that a wired connection would be superior to a wireless connection.
And you would be correct, wifi is a half duplex contended medium. Whereas ethernet (wired) is a full duplex contended medium (between your router and PC). Not to mention wifi is prone to interference (from other wifi, bluetooth, microwave ovens and all the other crap on the 2.4/5Ghz spectrums). Anyone who tries to tell you different is selling snake oil.
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Wired is always better than wireless
It's physics
Eagler
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Back around 11 to 12 years ago, I networked my parents home completely to every room except the bathrooms...
I used Cat7A STP cables and upgraded to an extreme gaming router, NetGear 16-port switch where the cable/ modem/ router are set-up, in the office/ computer room there are 3 computer desk with a connection at each one with a NetGear 10-port switch at the 3rd desk where I can run 2 separate setups of 4 different computers running independently or all together using just one keyboard/ mouse/ monitor/ speakers
Each different room (bedrooms, den, living room, dining room and kitchen) have NetGear 5-port switches
That's all my hardwired stuff also with my home server and several NAS devices...like one NAS at my home entertainment center hooked to my TV and stereo/ surround sound system (31 speakers, 3 subs, (1) 1100 watt unit and (2) 500 watt Amp units) ...I am half deaf, so I have to turn it up...hahaha
Last October when I switched providers the technician that came out showed me that I was getting anywhere from 970+ Mbps upwards of 1.2 Gbps connected speed going into the modem
All the network wiring (Cat7A STP) is 10 Gbps capable as well as my 16 and 10 port switches, the other (6) 5-port switches are 1 Gbps capable.... your speed is only as fast as your slowest component..
My speed is right around the 1 Gbps range (well was the last time I checked...been almost a year on this free internet stuff, that I qualified for because of having full VA benefits...seems like they are wanting to start charging me now..got to get that sorted out heh..)
Sometimes my connection shows me steady around 32/34 ms...then at times it shows me steady at 60 ms.... I have even seen it steady at 24 ms.... it all depends on time of day pretty much... variance in game is always pretty much flat line and if your connection or even the game itself has a hiccup it will show up on the variance in-game...if it's the game, you'll know quickly because everyone will start texting/ talking about it...if you see it and no one else mentions it 😉 then it's on your end...
I recommend people try testmy.net for testing all your internet connections and speed stuff... you can register and join and log / keep logs of all your testing etc... it even allows you to set it up for each separate internet connection/ room etc... I recommend reading up on the different articles and there is a lot of available information on the forums
That's my connection, home setup, etc... I seriously suggest checking out testmy.net I've been using it for over 15+ years or so...
Cheers 🍻
TC
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My connection is WIFI throughout my home.
I have lights, HVAC, Generac, cameras, garage door, ceiling fans, refrigerator, oven, the pit on the back patio, all connected.
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I have lights, HVAC, Generac, cameras, garage door, ceiling fans, refrigerator, oven, the pit on the back patio, all connected.
Twin, contra-rotating Curtiss Electric ceiling fans I trust?
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Twin, contra-rotating Curtiss Electric ceiling fans I trust?
LOL no but in the valted ceiling living room I have two 60" 12 bladed fans that resemble windmills. They have 9 speeds and also have what is called summer breeze where they will speed up and then slow down ever so often if it is on.
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about 25 up and 2 down but I live at the absolute end of the line for the local ISP They are promising fiber out here in the next two months. That said my PP stays in the green on hitech.
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Everything Vulcan said is true. I didn't explain it very well or say that in older homes where the panels haven't been brought up to current electrical codes. household appliances like older microwaves can find back thru the house electrical lines. Especial in ungrounded or faulty grounded panels and outlets.
Worid
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I sometimes use an old tape Walkman. Surprising what you hear when you walk past an operating microwave.
And you would be correct, wifi is a half duplex contended medium. Whereas ethernet (wired) is a full duplex contended medium (between your router and PC). Not to mention wifi is prone to interference (from other wifi, bluetooth, microwave ovens and all the other crap on the 2.4/5Ghz spectrums). Anyone who tries to tell you different is selling snake oil.
That's interesting. So, if you had the most red-hot, bestest connection possible ever, would it reduce the perceptible lag when fighting someone else who had a laggy connection?
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I sometimes use an old tape Walkman. Surprising what you hear when you walk past an operating microwave.
That's interesting. So, if you had the most red-hot, bestest connection possible ever, would it reduce the perceptible lag when fighting someone else who had a laggy connection?
You are still going to see issues with them. Although the way HTs network code works up to a certain point a consistent connection is important.
Lag is detrimental to all parties involved. Though I think the problem we see in AH is people who know they have lag and learn how to use that to their advantage. For example there are certain players who know that if they stir a certain way it is almost impossible for the netcode to keep up, inducing bizarre maneuvers - best example is the one where spitfires appear to have their tail as their CoG.
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Thanks Vulcan
I think the problem we see in AH is people who know they have lag and learn how to use that to their advantage.
Those barstards.
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What Vulcan posted is true and it even goes back to the dial-up modem 1200 baud days of playing AirWarrior
Shane (flew as Oopsy in AirWarrior before switching to Shane) knows this and is why it was easy for him to spot it and call it out...
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So if someone has a crummy connection should they not play?
Should they wait to hear your pings before they fire back?
Not sure what you think a fix would be
If they aren't manipulating their connection on purpose to cause it I think we have to live with it
Eagler
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If they aren't manipulating their connection on purpose to cause it I think we have to live with it
Eagler
This....
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I've played with a lot of bad connections in a LOT of seedy motels, and it never seemed to be an advantage for me
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Exactly. Latency doesn't bother me as being a part of the game - I merely call it out when I see those outliers. HTC has done a great job with the smoothing coding; and there have always been those outlier connections.
If I can be bothered to make the needed adjustments, the latency issue becomes less of a factor, but I'm not going to fly around thinking every plane is a latencyboi; this would lead to more frustrations and deaths, so in general I just avoid those areas where know laggers are operating, or make the occasional conscious effort to deal with them and send them to tower or running for ack/help.
I can't tell you how many times I had seen people accuse judge (and others) of using hacks, so part of why I keep going on about latency is to educate those who aren't as familiar with the effects. There's a parallel track (heh) with the GVer and trees. The trees are rotating 2d planes not high fidelity 3d objects, so math finds a way.
Accusations of (various forms of) cheating are more harmful to the game than any smack talk on ch200, imho. And as I've mentioned the visuals and understanding of connections/latency (and even variance, aka warps) have been something I have a clue about.
Probably need to add another quote to my sig file: "Explanations aren't excuses." :noid
So if someone has a crummy connection should they not play?
Should they wait to hear your pings before they fire back?
Not sure what you think a fix would be
If they aren't manipulating their connection on purpose to cause it I think we have to live with it
Eagler
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Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others.
I'm not perfect, but I am closer to it than you are.
:devil
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:devil
I'm wondering if you bothered to look at his current location 🤔... 🤣 😂 🤣
I think he just might be there in yours...hahaha
Just kidding
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I'm wondering if you bothered to look at his current location 🤔... 🤣 😂 🤣
I just assumed his atrocious spelling was due to him being somewhere in Amerika.
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No - you just stopped reading, apparently. :noid
"I'm not perfect, but I am closer to it than you are." :neener:
(but actually, it's deliberate.)
I just assumed his atrocious spelling was due to him being somewhere in Amerika.
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Sure it is.
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Uh huh. It sure is. :old: :aok
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=search2;params=eJwtzUEKhDAMheG7zEYY3Dg7T1Nq-qBKbUpSHYQe3lRc_l94xIfTZ0JoQ5vapx0K0QKy_Gr0GWaL9Os8Tj8Ljfx3xHtJqHhHeiwbqDrO6TLqwlJdWMUqQOkVK0HC87ATvFA0LIySbjioNYw
Why do poepl think I make stuff up? :noid
<edit: just to show you it's not like I don't know how to spell.> :rolleyes:
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=search2;params=eJwtzcEKwyAMxvF36aVQdrG3PY3Y-IEbzkiiLQMffnH0-P-FJCGeoRDiWIcby-gK0Qqy3DSFArND5vT5cLuFJr488admNNxL2o83qHku-Ws0haX5-BKrCKVbrAQZ_4eTEISSYQXbuR9ujzXx
Sure it is.
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WOW....hahaha I was laughing all through reading those old posts in your links above, 🤣 😂..
I still can show you your way back to the tower, you in your La7 vs me in an F4U-1...hahaha
🤣 😂 🤣 just kidding.... I am getting to worn-out and my memory of what I once knew is slowing down for my SA both inside the cockpit and outside..hahaha but still love the fight and still love helping and teaching others that take the time and effort to improve their ability in the game
Cheers 🍻
TC
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Always an interesting journey into past topics... more somber now, with so many names faded into those pages of the past. Which is why I'm happy HTC has kept the BBS (and stats/scores) so accessible.
WOW....hahaha I was laughing all through reading those old posts in your links above, 🤣 😂..
I still can show you your way back to the tower, you in your La7 vs me in an F4U-1...hahaha
🤣 😂 🤣 just kidding.... I am getting to worn-out and my memory of what I once knew is slowing down for my SA both inside the cockpit and outside..hahaha but still love the fight and still love helping and teaching others that take the time and effort to improve their ability in the game
Cheers 🍻
TC
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There's well over 2 decades of AWESOME in this bbs
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Luckily the fun threads were locked instead of deleted
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Uh huh. It sure is. :old: :aok
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=search2;params=eJwtzUEKhDAMheG7zEYY3Dg7T1Nq-qBKbUpSHYQe3lRc_l94xIfTZ0JoQ5vapx0K0QKy_Gr0GWaL9Os8Tj8Ljfx3xHtJqHhHeiwbqDrO6TLqwlJdWMUqQOkVK0HC87ATvFA0LIySbjioNYw
Well obviously, you still can't get it right.
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Luckily the fun threads were locked instead of deleted
Some of these 'Members' need to be deleted. That would fix some things around here.
Coogan
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Some of these 'Members' need to be deleted. That would fix some things around here.
Coogan
You should put yourself on that list for trying to flamebait all the time!