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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FLOOB on October 23, 2022, 04:59:08 AM
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All pitbulls should be sterilized and the sale of pitbulls needs to be banned. I used to be on the fence about this. But the real stats on pitbulls is shocking.
Two pitbulls that the family had for 8 years without incident attacked and killed an infant, a toddler and put their mom in the hospital to be sewn back together.
https://wgntv.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/mother-tried-to-shield-children-killed-in-memphis-pit-bull-attack-family-says/
Couple of troubling, revealing points.
1. These dogs were never mistreated, they attacked their own family. Contradicting the argument that pitbull violence is a result of pet mistreatment.
2. Both of the dogs attacked. Contradicting the argument that it’s not the breed, just individual bad apples that are harmful.
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We have a pit for over 5 years now..have you ever owned one?
She is the most loving dog I have ever owned and I have had dogs 60 of my 63 years
She is also the strongest dog I have ever owned
Two dogs of any kind react differently than one when excited ... same here
We read that story and it both sickened and concerned us
But do you know how many pits don't attack their owners?
How many have saved their lives?
They are not poodles or frenchies...
They are more like a gun imo
You would have the same problem with us if you tried to take either
And at the same time pits nor guns are for everyone
There are also different types of pits...and pit owners..
note..I would be hesitant to have a pit around small children...and especially two or more as they can excite themselves ...but you can add chow and other breeds to that list imo
Eagler
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Used to have this argument with Betty incessantly
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What is a pit bull? A staff,English bullterrier,English staffordshire terrier or the apbt?
Most real fighting dogs won’t bite humans as they lost their heads for doing so,a handler had express written permission to dispatch any dog that bit a handler.
Most dog that are so-called pit bulls are a mixed breed and therefore are mutts.
I have shown,trained and bred various fighting breeds for over 40 years now. At present I have a dangerous Frenchie and a 90lb English bulldog,the frenchie will bite as it’s in their nature to do so. The English will only bite or attack on command. None of the various fighting breeds I raised would do either and were gentle souls.
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Some dog bite statistics (U.S. data - not worldwide), to compliment the anecdotal information. Source: https://www.coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/ (https://www.coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/)
Dog Bite Fatalities By Breed
Pitbulls are responsible for the vast majority of fatalities associated with dogs. From 2010 to June 2021, there were 430 fatal dog bites, with 185 of those coming from pit bulls, and another 41 that were pit bull mixes.
60% had pit bull in their bloodlines (either full-blooded or a mix)
7% had Rottweiler in their bloodline
4% had German shepherd in their bloodline
Top Three Breeds Responsible for Fatal Dog Attacks
Pitbull – 185 deaths
Pitbull Mix – 41 deaths
Rotweiller – 26 deaths
Dog Bite Fatalities By Age & Sex
(https://i.imgur.com/Mp6kFOM.png)
I often read about what loving and wonderful family dogs they are, like the personal testimony of the owner in this incident,
https://www.kktv.com/2022/08/10/she-was-screaming-family-says-89-year-old-grandmother-killed-pit-bull-attack/ (https://www.kktv.com/2022/08/10/she-was-screaming-family-says-89-year-old-grandmother-killed-pit-bull-attack/)
“There was not a mean bone in that dog’s body, that dog would sleep with us every night, and he loved grandma,” Faircloth said.
The horrific results of a Google search "Mauled by Pitbull":
https://www.google.com/search?q=mauled+by+pitbull&client=opera&hs=WT0&ei=fUxVY93OAoeE0PEPkZyPsAg&ved=0ahUKEwidgfzyxPb6AhUHAjQIHRHOA4YQ4dUDCA8&oq=mauled+by+pitbull&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgQIABBDMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB5KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFgAYK8ZaABwAHgAgAFUiAFUkgEBMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz (https://www.google.com/search?q=mauled+by+pitbull&client=opera&hs=WT0&ei=fUxVY93OAoeE0PEPkZyPsAg&ved=0ahUKEwidgfzyxPb6AhUHAjQIHRHOA4YQ4dUDCA8&oq=mauled+by+pitbull&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgQIABBDMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB5KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFgAYK8ZaABwAHgAgAFUiAFUkgEBMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz)
Here's a link to myths about Pit bulls:
https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php?gclid=CjwKCAjwzNOaBhAcEiwAD7Tb6EtRjqGetwPGDINguihwJ6lKEo6exLpP8kb4INxASj2q0wCt2GVPTxoCzGsQAvD_BwE (https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php?gclid=CjwKCAjwzNOaBhAcEiwAD7Tb6EtRjqGetwPGDINguihwJ6lKEo6exLpP8kb4INxASj2q0wCt2GVPTxoCzGsQAvD_BwE)
I do think, for people who have already made up their minds about this, real-world data and statistics are useless. They have their own experience and intuition to guide them, and that is, and always will be, sufficient for them.
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I do think, for people who have already made up their minds about this, real-world data and statistics are useless. They have their own experience and intuition to guide them, and that is, and always will be, sufficient for them.
You could apply this to literally any topic in society: economy, political issues, religion, taxes, bird deaths via wind turbine, etc.
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I do own one as a matter of fact. She’s super sweet and affectionate, the most emotionally sensitive dog I’ve known. In my opinion she’s too sensitive for normal dog training. She doesn’t handle negative reinforcement well. If she thinks she’s in trouble and about to be reprimanded she becomes defensive, bearing her teeth and you can’t touch her when she’s like that. She knows when me and the wife are going to have an argument before we know. She also has the biggest vocabulary of any dog I’ve had. She learned those words on her own, the only words I taught her was sit and stay. She’s a dollbaby and we love her, but we don’t let her around the grandkids unsupervised. But this is all subjective information. The objective information paints a different picture. Pitbulls make up only 6% of the American dog population yet they’re responsible for over half of the dog attack fatalities. In some years up to 80%. Retrievers have an instinctive drive to retrieve because of artificial selection, that’s what they’re bred to do. Shepard’s Shepard, pointers point etc because of their genetics and breeding. In fact thats how we got the domestic dog in the first place. By breeding only the friendliest and docile wolves. Well you can do the opposite too. And that’s how they made the pitbull.
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Mine is spayed
Yep you have one as most don't know how sensitive to the point of being insecure they are
Very smart learning words and phrases
Have spent over 10k repairing both hind legs and and at least 5k more on her left front leg and everything other vet visit in just under 5 years...
So yeah she has stolen our hearts ...and wallet
Eagler
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You could apply this to literally any topic in society: economy, political issues, religion, taxes, bird deaths via wind turbine, etc.
Agree 100%, Perdue. But it does seem to me there used to be a time when facts and data held sway with more people. Not all, but more.
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you don't know how close you can get to God, till you are being chased by one.
semp
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Agree 100%, Perdue. But it does seem to me there used to be a time when facts and data held sway with more people. Not all, but more.
Media propaganda is much stronger today.
I've never had a problem with Pits. Though I definitely think natural instincts are part of any animal and anything can set that off. I've never really cared that much for them. More of Golden retriever type. Not a big fan of Boxers, got tackled one time by one when I was little when someone threw a ball to me. I've also never liked poodle type dogs because they jump all over me every damn time and I can't stand it.
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All pitbulls should be sterilized and the sale of pitbulls needs to be banned. I used to be on the fence about this. But the real stats on pitbulls is shocking.
Two pitbulls that the family had for 8 years without incident attacked and killed an infant, a toddler and put their mom in the hospital to be sewn back together.
https://wgntv.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/mother-tried-to-shield-children-killed-in-memphis-pit-bull-attack-family-says/
Couple of troubling, revealing points.
1. These dogs were never mistreated, they attacked their own family. Contradicting the argument that pitbull violence is a result of pet mistreatment.
2. Both of the dogs attacked. Contradicting the argument that it’s not the breed, just individual bad apples that are harmful.
I think you ought to be sterilized (probably already are) and banned but that's just my opinion now isn't it man.
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I have a Pitbull named Chaos. Best dog I have ever owned. He lets my two and half year-old grandson walk him on a lease. Such a great dog.
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Agree 100%, Perdue. But it does seem to me there used to be a time when facts and data held sway with more people. Not all, but more.
In one of your links,the myths about pit bulls pretty much lays it all out,although in a biased way.
In the 70’s the breed changed,or should I say breeds,there was much mixing done to produce a bigger badder dog.Back in the days of open dog fighting a man biter just wasn’t tolerated and when dog fighting was outlawed the dogs were mainly bred for temperament and the show ring. Ag`ain aggressive dogs weren’t tolerated in the show ring either.
I have bred a few best in show winners,had some of the dogs in my line go on to become top show dogs as that’s where my interest was. I’ve researched the history for years and have come to the conclusion that fighting breeds just aren’t the dog for everyone. They are a special type that will ignore common dog signals,with most breeds once a dog submits it’s over,fighting dogs ignore this and will continue.They have an extreme prey drive yet are sensitive to discipline. And as much as I trust my dogs I’d never leave a child unsupervised around one.
All dog can and will bite,fighting breeds just happen to be extremely strong for their size but then any breed around 40 lbs or larger can inflict serious injuries. Personally I’m more wary of the mastif breeds,they are so large once they get you down there’s no getting back up.
One thing I tell people who are interested in getting this type of dog is to remember you have to be slightly smarter than then the dog,which is not often the case.
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Why would anyone own a dog where theres even a 1% chance of randomly attacking grandkids?
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Media propaganda is much stronger today.
Propaganda only works on the weak and irrational. Samuel Adams used propaganda as did Harriet Beecher Stowe. Not about how strong the propaganda is, but how weak the audience is. That weakness has not changed, nor has the strength. What has changed is just how much and how quickly that propaganda can spread.
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Why would anyone own a dog where theres even a 1% chance of randomly attacking grandkids?
It is for their mucho macho.
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Propaganda only works on the weak and irrational. Samuel Adams used propaganda as did Harriet Beecher Stowe. Not about how strong the propaganda is, but how weak the audience is. That weakness has not changed, nor has the strength. What has changed is just how much and how quickly that propaganda can spread.
One just has to listen to the comments by the un-educated.
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Why would anyone own a dog where theres even a 1% chance of randomly attacking grandkids?
Do you make a distinction between a get away from me/stop what you’re doing bite(s) and attacking?
I have been bit numerous times, by dachshund, schnauzer, Labradors, vizsla, King Charles and probably a couple others, but in general I have no fear of any of those breeds.
I’ve never been bit by a pitbull because I stay away from them; the only breed I do that with.
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One just has to listen to the comments by the un-educated.
Trust me, we have been.
Coogan
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Bottom line is that dogs in multiples can get in a frenzy off eachother. Dogs known under the name "Pit Bulls" have a very strong biting force of up to 2000 lbs.
When we check on cattle, if we see one dog, no problem. If we see more than one dog, we shoot them. A dog is no problem for a cow..... multiple dogs can bring one down.
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They have a bad rap against them for sure.
My mom has two. They are the most loving kindest dogs you will ever see.
She has owned them since they were puppies and now they are ten years old.
They follow you around and do not run off if you leave the gate open. They love to hang out if you work n the yard.
:salute
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they have a bad rap for a reason. They are loving and highly intelligent. Any dog can bite and potentially attack. The difference with pitbulls is that when they attack they will not stop. And they are powerful. It's bread into them to have a fighting instinct, but it was bread into them to be aggressive toward other animals. Who knows how many badly bred pit muts are out there.
You always hear about how loving and sweet the pitbull was - until it killed the kids and mom, or countless other incidents involving them.
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Why would anyone own a dog where theres even a 1% chance of randomly attacking grandkids?
nothing in this life is 99% safe except doing nothing possibly! The only dog I ever paid money for was my pit. I went with my brother-in-law to look at him and he came out and started chewing on my cuff. I would have paid twice what the guy asked. He was a great dog obedient and good with my family. All you had to do was point your finger and say get em and that was all he needed to. know. Sadly, he was stolen, and I believed whoever took him fought him. This is not a joke he came back on Father's Day spent the weekend and left. He was all scarred up
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Most decisions made in life do not utilize math or science techniques. There are too many unknowns. So people often use judgement to make decisions.
Tools of propaganda and persuasion work along the lines of human nature and judgement.
Even scientists who specialize in the field of propaganda/persuasion are susceptible to its techniques. At least according to Robert Cialdini, a renowned expert in the field of persuasion.
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The last dog that bit me was over 55 years ago and it was a damn Chihuahua. Hard to walk out of the room and be macho with your date when a damn Chihuahua took a bite out of your leg
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My friends chihuahua has bitten my leg several times. I finally learned to always take treats with me when I go there. Now the dog stares at me until I take out a treat. :D
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yeah, it's really not that pit bulls have aggressive temperaments. Plenty of breeds have really bad temperaments and are skittish and bite, like chihuahuas. If a chihuahua was as powerful as a pit bull, you'd probably see them close to the top of the list.
It's just that pit bulls are so powerful and SO determined. Once they go off they do major damage and just don't stop.
I like pit bulls, in general. Very smart and affectionate dogs.
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Chihuahuas aint dogs. My wife had two when we met. Only type of dog she’d ever had before we had the PB puppy dumped on us. Now she understands why I used to say to her that chihuahuas aren’t dogs. Virtually impossible to house train. Especially when there is more than one. Barked all the time at everything. Barked at all of us in the house every time someone went from one room to another. Barked every time the bug zapper in the yard snapped even though it had been there for years. Even tried a shock collar that would trigger when she barked on the worst offender, I think she wore it out. If they ever got out of the house they would just take off and they were too dumb to find there own house. We’d have to go search for them or a couple days later we’d get a “is this your dog?” message. They were dumber than cats.
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We have a border collie and a poodle collie cross. Smart, affectionate, and we can trust them alone with little kids despite what little ratbags the kids can be.
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First dog as a child was a boxer, they never got smaller my entire life..
A dog isn't for everyone as they are a serious commitment
Pitbull are for an even narrower audience imo
They have to know who the alpha dog is....you
Multiple dogs and especially pits are for very few
It's the sick minds that get off fighting them that are the root of their aggressiveness
Eagler
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Propaganda only works on the weak and irrational. Samuel Adams used propaganda as did Harriet Beecher Stowe. Not about how strong the propaganda is, but how weak the audience is. That weakness has not changed, nor has the strength. What has changed is just how much and how quickly that propaganda can spread.
Which is very much why I'm against the child trans push agenda. They are weak and irrational. This has been strongly pushed in the last 10 years and you can cleary see a shift. I went school in the 90s and this was never a thing. Though I don't necessarily believe it's always weak and irrational people, after seeing what happened during Covid. Either that, or there are just a lot of weak and irrational people. I do agree with the quickness of propaganda spreading. The access to media at a whim is very powerful and when you have news media become confirmation bias to an agenda its hard for good people to understand they are being manipulated. This even effects doctors and otherwise extremely intellectual people. So much so that Thomas Sowell wrote a book about it.