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Title: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: zenzen on November 19, 2022, 04:06:27 PM

Hello peeps,

just watch an exellent documentary on Joachim Marseille.  Almost certain it was made by B6pacman.  Can't recomend it highly enough. 


The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille "The Star of Africa"

https://youtu.be/XazS6ANj_C4


Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: FLS on November 19, 2022, 04:18:28 PM
Walter Horton wrote my dad a letter where he mentioned that Joachim had a computer punch card on his windscreen to show the proper lead on a crossing shot. Given an average speed and shooting distance some mathematician figured out the lead required and put holes in the punch card as a reference. Because of his desire to be the top fighter pilot he didn't share this trick with anybody.

It's notable that some AH pilots learned to do the same thing with cockpit frame references.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: bortas1 on November 19, 2022, 04:36:35 PM
 :salute think anyone comes close to him in Ah? :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Citabria on November 19, 2022, 11:32:00 PM
Dweebs thou art and dweebs thy shall remain.

No you will never be as good as Marseille and to think cartoon pew pew is a close enough approximation to suggest no risk entertainment compares with life and death struggle defies logic so egregiously that it exposes the infantile fantasy world that the ones suggesting such a correlation inhabit.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Devil 505 on November 19, 2022, 11:34:36 PM
No you will never be as good as Marseille and to think cartoon pew pew is a close enough approximation to suggest no risk entertainment compares with life and death struggle defies logic so egregiously that it exposes the infantile fantasy world that the ones suggesting such a correlation inhabit.

This might be post of the year.  :rock
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Citabria on November 20, 2022, 12:17:21 AM
The Marseille documentary linked is excellent and well worth watching also.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Kassill on November 20, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
Yes it's a very good watch  :aok
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Gman on November 20, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
Walter Horton wrote my dad a letter where he mentioned that Joachim had a computer punch card on his windscreen to show the proper lead on a crossing shot. Given an average speed and shooting distance some mathematician figured out the lead required and put holes in the punch card as a reference. Because of his desire to be the top fighter pilot he didn't share this trick with anybody.

It's notable that some AH pilots learned to do the same thing with cockpit frame references.

Several books about the RCAF/RAF ace George "Buzz" Beurling, make reference to Buzz using marks and lines he would make on his cockpit windows as well.  He had created his own geometric aiming system.  Beurling only spoke/taught this system to a couple other pilots, and his C.O. in Malta was one of them.  Right after learning said system, the CO shot down 2 109s and an Italian aircraft on his next flight. 

I'm not surprised that Marseille was using similar methods. 
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: GasTeddy on November 21, 2022, 03:14:33 AM
Thank you for the link.   :aok    I have read some books about him and must say he was an amazing person, in many ways.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: fuzeman on November 21, 2022, 08:33:35 AM
I found it interesting he mentions around 14:05 that the 109 is a favorite ride in Aces High.
Good video, 24:35 into it so far.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: JOACH1M on November 21, 2022, 08:48:45 AM

It's notable that some AH pilots learned to do the same thing with cockpit frame references.
hush  :bolt:
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: mERv on November 21, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
Dweebs thou art and dweebs thy shall remain.

No you will never be as good as Marseille and to think cartoon pew pew is a close enough approximation to suggest no risk entertainment compares with life and death struggle defies logic so egregiously that it exposes the infantile fantasy world that the ones suggesting such a correlation inhabit.
there always has to be at least one of these guys on a post like this :rofl
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: GasTeddy on November 22, 2022, 12:17:18 PM
Walter Horton wrote my dad a letter where he mentioned that Joachim had a computer punch card on his windscreen to show the proper lead on a crossing shot.

I presume you meant Walter Horten (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_brothers), not Walter Horton (https://www.bluesharp.ca/legends/bwalter.html)? Even music can be used as a weapon if made as well as Cacofonix does.    :D
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 22, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
It certainly helps when your bullets actually work! :old: I have really enjoyed listening to this. Gives me that craving to play AH. The thrill of ww2 air combat. Seems he could work that 109f. Seems like he was a pretty cool guy. 
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Eagler on November 23, 2022, 06:58:11 AM
His death was the kicker...taken down by his own side by mechanical issues and a freak bailout

Germany was loaded with fantastic pilots, the allies were lucky their leaders were bat crap crazy

Eagler
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 23, 2022, 10:11:28 AM
His death was the kicker...taken down by his own side by mechanical issues and a freak bailout

Germany was loaded with fantastic pilots, the allies were lucky their leaders were bat crap crazy

Eagler

When the best pilot perhaps in the world tells you he wants to keep his 109F. You should probably let him continue to fly the 109f....

It's just so insane to me how risky and aggressive of a pilot he was only to go out that way...I bet you this single death was a huge relief towards the allied advancement.

I found it interesting he mentions around 14:05 that the 109 is a favorite ride in Aces High.
Good video, 24:35 into it so far.

I too, was happy that he mentioned AH.  :rock
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: FLS on November 23, 2022, 10:22:23 PM
I presume you meant Walter Horten (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_brothers), not Walter Horton (https://www.bluesharp.ca/legends/bwalter.html)? Even music can be used as a weapon if made as well as Cacofonix does.    :D

Typo.  :aok   My dad met Walter at a sailplane meet in Switzerland, he got Reimar's address in Argentina and traveled there with the daughter of the test pilot that was killed flying the Ho-229. Then he got Reimar to write a book about his flying wings.
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: Brooke on November 24, 2022, 12:51:35 PM
Hello peeps,

just watch an exellent documentary on Joachim Marseille.  Almost certain it was made by B6pacman.  Can't recomend it highly enough. 


The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille "The Star of Africa"

https://youtu.be/XazS6ANj_C4

Thanks for posting this!  :aok
Title: Re: The Real Life Maverick and WW2's Biggest Chad: Hans Joachim Marseille
Post by: PanosGR on November 26, 2022, 01:12:37 PM
Speaking of Aces Marmaduke  John Pattle. The greatest of the Allies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w406CBSsqwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uly_c2Cq7_E&t=3s