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Title: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: molybdenum on December 21, 2022, 07:06:35 PM
I told one I knew where a feet dry spawn was. I put boat into position and we both began shelling town until it went wf. We had no support, it was just him and me, and I started to call out on country that we needed ppl in tower for a take try. He (a very seasoned player, certainly knew better) upped a fighter with no support and urged me to up an LVT. Would have been suicide on my part mega kills for him so I refused. The bad guys quickly found and killed boat, of course. But he got several kills while that was happening.

He just wanted kills! No loyalty to "teammate" he was throwing under the bus, no alliance to team he was currently on (unlike others, like AKCaine, who DOES play for current team even though he switches sides).

Anyway, rant over. A pity the useful side switch thing is perverted by self-serving a-holes.

BTW, he was the main reason I started my original thread on why these guys should be denied control of CVs. Shelling factories for points and achievements irrespective of the needs of the team he was temporarily on.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: whiteman on December 21, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
Feet dry spawn abusers deserve all the bad things in life to happen to them, including killed in game.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Bopgun on December 21, 2022, 08:02:57 PM
Feet dry spawn abusers deserve all the bad things in life to happen to them, including killed in game.

I agree with this.

Whining because someone doesn’t want to be a Private in your armchair Army??? Sounds like you’re upset because he didn’t listen to you and instead tried to capture the base in a different way.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: molybdenum on December 21, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
Feet dry spawn abusers deserve all the bad things in life to happen to them, including killed in game.

Feet dry spawns have existed for years if not decades. Part of the game and makes it more interesting, at least to me, both on offense and defense. If HiTech didn't mean them to happen he could have coded them out of existence ages ago, but chose not to.

But that avoids my point. A self-serving player with no team alliance chose to try to throw "teammates" under the bus so he could get kills. I'm still in favor of the mercenary thing because that also makes the game more interesting. It's merely a pity that players like him abuse fellow players to their personal benefit.

I wish there were a fix for this, but short of a moral epiphany by PK and his ilk, there probably isn't.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Devil 505 on December 21, 2022, 11:07:42 PM
Still not sure how CV ownership is relevant to your rant. Or even "Feet dry spawning"  - whatever that is.

seems to me you're just pissed he wanted to fight and would blindly follow you into a stealth base take.

If your strategy involves avoiding combat, then the problem is you.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: DFATITAN on December 22, 2022, 08:05:06 AM
Gaming of the game. It's become less of a SIM and more of an arcade game over the years and switching multiple times brings even more gaming since you know where CVs are located, missions being upped, location of someone hidden.    I understand the changes with the reduced numbers, but it makes it less fun for some. There should probably be some sort of limitation on permissions and the switching, but it should be thought out with what the effects will be long term.  Either way, I don't think the fixes are easy with the reduced numbers. 

I've only ever been Bish since AW died because my squad has always been Bish.  If we are allowed to switch, I like the AKs work it with their month-by-month rotation.  Well, unless they aren't Bish lol.   

Have a good holiday season!
>S< Titan
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Tec on December 22, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
The point of the game is to fight other people and have fun.  High five to the guy who did that, and a big LOL to the dude who is sad he couldn't snake a base with no defense.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: The Fugitive on December 22, 2022, 03:20:45 PM
Feet dry spawns have existed for years if not decades. Part of the game and makes it more interesting, at least to me, both on offense and defense. If HiTech didn't mean them to happen he could have coded them out of existence ages ago, but chose not to.

But that avoids my point. A self-serving player with no team alliance chose to try to throw "teammates" under the bus so he could get kills. I'm still in favor of the mercenary thing because that also makes the game more interesting. It's merely a pity that players like him abuse fellow players to their personal benefit.

I wish there were a fix for this, but short of a moral epiphany by PK and his ilk, there probably isn't.

The spacing around the CV track/way points IS a fix to get away from feet dry spawning. Thats why there are so few of those points left. So technically speaking those point you know of are all bugs and should be reported so they can be fixed.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: nrshida on December 22, 2022, 03:22:36 PM
Or even "Feet dry spawning"  - whatever that is.

I don't know what it is either  :rofl
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: The Fugitive on December 22, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
I don't know what it is either  :rofl

Its when you spawn an LVT from a ship and it spawns on land, hence "feet dry".
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: nrshida on December 22, 2022, 03:40:02 PM
Its when you spawn an LVT from a ship and it spawns on land, hence "feet dry".

Teleportation in WW2 is a bit far fetched  :old:
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Devil 505 on December 22, 2022, 05:00:41 PM
Its when you spawn an LVT from a ship and it spawns on land, hence "feet dry".

Ok. Thanks.

Why does it end up on land? The few times I've ever used an LVT, it spawned very close to the CV. Is it just positioning the boat close enough to a spit of land so that the usual spawn point is on dry land, or is there more to it?

 
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Tig on December 22, 2022, 05:19:10 PM
Air battles are 10000 times more fun than sitting on guns and clicking.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: The Fugitive on December 22, 2022, 06:31:21 PM
Ok. Thanks.

Why does it end up on land? The few times I've ever used an LVT, it spawned very close to the CV. Is it just positioning the boat close enough to a spit of land so that the usual spawn point is on dry land, or is there more to it?

 

In the old days before Hitech added the expansion around the way point lines you could drive the CV close to land and at some bases spawn close enough to just open doors and drop troops. It was happening too much so Hitech added the spacing to help keep the ships off the shore. However, there are still a few places you can get close enough to still get the spawn on land.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: RotBaron on December 22, 2022, 09:29:20 PM
The point of the game is to fight other people and have fun.  High five to the guy who did that, and a big LOL to the dude who is sad he couldn't snake a base with no defense.

Too few do this anymore.

Less than ~10% of my deaths in a ftr the past few months are a 1v1. Rooks, especially, at night fly in a pack and pick. It’s not because I’m better than they are, but they have become uber timid, run for ack or friends as soon as they lose advantage.

It’s really super lame to be in a good 1v1, both using their best ACM and then get picked; it’s a disservice to both involved and worse half the time results in stealing a kill. But yay  :banana: their name in lights.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: RichardDarkwood on December 23, 2022, 03:45:10 AM

. Rooks, especially, at night fly in a pack and pick.


This is all three countries literally
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2022, 11:53:25 AM
I died the other night because I got excited. I saw a tree that I hit in my 38 about two weeks ago. I got excited and in trying to turn to get a better look, I accidently bailed. Not wanting to waste a good bail, I tried to land on the tree with my knife out and gut the dang thing. I missed the tree.... but not the ground.


Dagnamit.............
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: diaster on December 23, 2022, 02:16:16 PM
Feet dry spawn abusers deserve all the bad things in life to happen to them, including killed in game.
no different than flying off map! better than using shades, Those are issues that needs to be fixed by the game owner.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: diaster on December 23, 2022, 02:34:44 PM
Still not sure how CV ownership is relevant to your rant. Or even "Feet dry spawning"  - whatever that is.

seems to me you're just pissed he wanted to fight and would blindly follow you into a stealth base take.

If your strategy involves avoiding combat, then the problem is you.
Feet dry spawn? Are you that new and still had to be a d!ck with that last comment? FYI
When numbers are low, you do what you can. The cv sitting quietly offshore doing its work unsuspecting is a valid "tactic" and critical when you only have two or three people. It is not a strategic objective, as opposed to strat running and/or consecutive base takes against one side for the win etc.

This tactic "to take a base" is used by first, deacking the base wiht ship guns, drop the veh hanger then run an lvt, an aircraft launches (revealing the cv) only after veh hanger is down, and to protect the lvt from incoming a/c or veh from the remote spawn. Not sure what happened here but I think the seasoned player upped before veh hanger was dropped, alarmed the enemy to cv proximity (by taking off) base alert, red guys reacted.They rolled out of the "still up" veh hanger and the  "seasoned player  bomb tarded them and maybe killed one or two incoming red guys, either a/c or veh. from remote spawn. He probably landed 5 or 6 kills, looked great in lights but as a result, all of the patient work that OP did was ruined. Sorry for the long reply but is was obvious by your "combat" comment you needed it spelled out.

and good strategy avoids combat, "art of war" but then you are probably part of the ho and ram gang and consider that combat lol
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: -gg- on December 23, 2022, 03:44:40 PM
Feet dry spawn abusers deserve all the bad things in life to happen to them, including killed in game.

what is a feet dry spawn?
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Devil 505 on December 23, 2022, 03:49:37 PM
Feet dry spawn? Are you that new and still had to be a d!ck with that last comment? FYI
When numbers are low, you do what you can. The cv sitting quietly offshore doing its work unsuspecting is a valid "tactic" and critical when you only have two or three people. It is not a strategic objective, as opposed to strat running and/or consecutive base takes against one side for the win etc.

This tactic "to take a base" is used by first, deacking the base wiht ship guns, drop the veh hanger then run an lvt, an aircraft launches (revealing the cv) only after veh hanger is down, and to protect the lvt from incoming a/c or veh from the remote spawn. Not sure what happened here but I think the seasoned player upped before veh hanger was dropped, alarmed the enemy to cv proximity (by taking off) base alert, red guys reacted.They rolled out of the "still up" veh hanger and the  "seasoned player  bomb tarded them and maybe killed one or two incoming red guys, either a/c or veh. from remote spawn. He probably landed 5 or 6 kills, looked great in lights but as a result, all of the patient work that OP did was ruined. Sorry for the long reply but is was obvious by your "combat" comment you needed it spelled out.

and good strategy avoids combat, "art of war" but then you are probably part of the ho and ram gang and consider that combat lol

No, I'm not new at all. In fact, I've seen people trying to use CV's to stealth take bases when the "dead time" numbers were higher then "prime time" numbers are today. So it's just as cowardly a strategy then as it is today.

Guess I can add you to the "All glory, no guts" group.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: turt21 on December 23, 2022, 04:46:23 PM
Air battles are 10000 times more fun than sitting on guns and clicking.

Only if your good at it. If not its just a frustrating waste of time
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Tig on December 23, 2022, 04:52:56 PM
Only if your good at it. If not its just a frustrating waste of time

I'd rather learn a thing or two than rot my brain on an 88 or a 37. Even if that thing I learn is my place.

I'd hardly say I'm good at dogfighting but I still get some high K/D ratios on some planes and my name in lights sometimes.

I don't know what y'all came to this game for, but I came for dogfighting, not turning a base green without anyone shooting at you.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: knorB on December 23, 2022, 06:51:57 PM
Teleportation in WW2 is a bit far fetched  :old:

USS Eldridge
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: RotBaron on December 23, 2022, 07:46:52 PM
This is all three countries literally

Probably is during hours that I’m not playing. I don’t see you in the MA ~11pm EST/9pm PST and from then on for a few hours, unless you fly under a different handle now.

Trust me there are so few players in there at those times now it’s very easy to keep track of who does what…VERY
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Shuffler on December 24, 2022, 07:43:45 AM
The games most blaring issue, that it is no longer supported. It is stagnant. Nothing new from the company. That just magnifies any other complaints. It is painfully obvious that this game, once great, has run its course. We are along for the ride. A few good folks are working hard on new terrains, everything else will most likely stay the same.

As for eny, there has still been nothing suggested to better even numbers. People will be people and some will try to undermine your best attempts to even up. The excuses are endless.

In the end..... just enjoy the GAME. It is a game after all. Have fun in it, don't be so serious.
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Eagler on December 24, 2022, 07:56:37 AM
Just hoping it stays open through 2023..

That is my Christmas wish here

Once it goes dark these petty complaints will seem just that

Merry Christmas

Eagler
Title: Re: Latest example why mercenaries should be denied CV privileges
Post by: Chilli on December 28, 2022, 11:56:13 AM
REal Life “FORCED” me out of AH3 years ago  :bhead  :airplane: and the most cherished moments  :cheers: came from unscripted exchanges with other team players as well as opponents  :salute

I too was frustrated  :furious by how others played the game  :ahand in other words, lost my chill.  It is quite sobering to log into the forums and hear of transitions of some of my greatest compatriots onto Glory well above AH3 skies.

I suggest that everyone should live their AH3 life as if there were no AH4