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Title: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 30, 2023, 03:50:27 PM
A fan of very "used" aircraft. With the Corsair based at an island base they tend to reflect the grit and wear of their envirement. Here's a modeler's example.

In my view, it is fantastic.

(https://i.imgur.com/PA3906y.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Devil 505 on March 30, 2023, 04:40:02 PM
Tex01 has a few Corsair skins that are heavily weathered.


Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 07:10:08 AM
A fan of very "used" aircraft. With the Corsair based at an island base they tend to reflect the grit and wear of their envirement. Here's a modeler's example.

In my view, it is fantastic.

(https://i.imgur.com/PA3906y.jpg)

Generally speakng weathering is overdone.    Abused airplanes do not last long nor perform well.   
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 31, 2023, 11:37:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/3r53gkY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qcPf84c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ORQVtuB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y0cvBLg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TUw7cTq.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 12:46:08 PM
None of those look like the model you posted. 

Paint wear is one thing.   Looking like a garbage heap is something else entirely.


I've been around airplanes for 50 years in all sorts of environments, especially near the ocean.   Do they get dirty and worn, sure.  But only airplanes sitting in a Nigerian boneyard look as ratty as what these modelers try to pass off as an airworthy frontline aircraft.
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 12:49:02 PM
Also, at least half of those photos are over-exposed which exaggerates the contrast.   Boyington's is a well-known example. 
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: whiteman on March 31, 2023, 02:10:48 PM
126 is in game.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51124059316_8fa63be228_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTEaGy)(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51124059291_42ea845eb1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTEaG8)
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 31, 2023, 02:20:40 PM
Personal preference. In my view the majority of skins look like they came from an airshow flight line or a car wash. Its all good, you're the skinner.

Doubt you were on the flight line at Bouganvillein in those 50 years. I wasnt either...

But I doubt with the turn around time there they had time to clean and touch up paint to planes before their next flight. Except Pappys plane before photos.

The model shows dirt from the island runway exhaust streaks and chipped paint from daily open and closing and foot wear.

Its all good, after skinning back in the day, I'm not going back to it.
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 31, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
Tex that is absolutley BEAUTIFUL !!!!

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT !!
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 03:03:53 PM
Personal preference. In my view the majority of skins look like they came from an airshow flight line or a car wash. Its all good, you're the skinner.

Because most airplanes looked more like that than they did the example you posted.    And you can ask the guys who flew Mustangs about this one.  Their maintenance crews took great care of those airplanes.   They had a tremendous amount of pride in doing it.  The VLR groups off of Iwo Jima were obsessive about maximizing range for obvious reasons.   An airplane covered in sand and grime is an aerodynamically inefficient airplane by definition.   This goes against the mission requirements and would not be tolerated.

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Doubt you were on the flight line at Bouganvillein in those 50 years. I wasnt either...

Doesn't matter does it?   Seeing airplanes that fly in and out of island environments duplicates the same conditions.   A notable example is the PBY I watched corrode into dust on the flight line in Harlingen and Brownsville over about 30 years--and it never looked like any of those.

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But I doubt with the turn around time there they had time to clean and touch up paint to planes before their next flight. Except Pappys plane before photos.

And yet they sent airplanes to depot maintenance if they kept them long enough.    And who said they "touched up" Pappy's plane for photos?  Sure doesn't look like it, now does it?  But it is clear that they *DID* slap on some paint here and there as needed to keep the thing from corroding.

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The model shows dirt from the island runway exhaust streaks and chipped paint from daily open and closing and foot wear.

Its all good, after skinning back in the day, I'm not going back to it.


No, the model shows a bunch of sand stuck to the bottom and sides of the plane like it was spraypainted on there.   Not likely.
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 31, 2023, 03:50:15 PM
Perfect example of what I am talking about.

No air show here. Love it. It oozes "real"


(https://i.imgur.com/Ge1RgVu.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
I'm not denigrating the work, but "oozes real" is subjective.

THIS is real--and far more typical.    Airshow indeed.  Right over downtown Tokyo.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/P-51_Shawnee_Princess.jpg)

Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: nopoop on March 31, 2023, 04:36:02 PM
Of course. It is all subjective. Mine is just an opinion. One of many. If the thought of spending a couple weeks doing rivit lines didint make me cringe Id fire up PS and do a few.

Too much cringe to do that lol

 :salute
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Vraciu on March 31, 2023, 04:57:35 PM
Of course. It is all subjective. Mine is just an opinion. One of many. If the thought of spending a couple weeks doing rivit lines didint make me cringe Id fire up PS and do a few.

Too much cringe to do that lol

 :salute

Get after it!   We need more skinners.   Just do a few rivets a day...

 :salute
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: SIK1 on March 31, 2023, 09:02:25 PM
I'm a little biased, but Tex does do some nice blue plane skins.

 :rock



Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: whiteman on April 01, 2023, 11:31:03 AM
I think the island based F4U's are probably the roughest you will find, sand and coral blowing across them and no where to hide from the sun. Seems it was the early birdcages and -1A's that took the most abuse. They did repaint them when they could and what caused some funky looking color and "camo" patterns. The solid blue VMF-223 -1A i did the pilot paid his crew chief in beer to keep it clean and painted. I have a couple island based Hellcats as well that are a little uglier than the carrier based squads.

Some of the absolute ugliest were in the hands of the RNZAF, i get the impression some of those were held together by tape by wars end.
Title: Re: How bout a rode hard and put away wet ?
Post by: Greebo on April 02, 2023, 02:43:47 AM
I think with weathering it is all about context. An NMF P-51D based at a UK air base with concrete runways and hangars etc. is going to be better cared for than a Hurricane based on a desert air strip in 1942 or a Yak or a Focke Wulf on a front line field in Russia. Some aircraft (B-26, G4M, N1K2 etc.) were painted without primer which later caused massive paint chipping. British and commonwealth air forces tended to use their aircraft for much longer than US ones and so could get a lot more worn looking.

Modellers do often overdo it though, it's more about showing off their painting techniques than reproducing a real life aircraft. This is why I don't like using models and profiles etc as primary sources, you end up copying someone else's mistakes. Nowadays I am looking for decent original photos to let me make my own mind up about how dirty a plane should be.