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Title: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 21, 2023, 10:12:25 AM
Nascar in Chicago, will be working production. Crew: 300 42 day setup, televised production, load-out 24/7 work - 12 hr shifts 1/3 of the city
Even repaved the streets for racing.
Gonna be a blast.
There’s profit in chaos :)
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 21, 2023, 12:13:28 PM
Glad I am not working that one, ha! Gonna be wild since everything is bascially new there. Should be a pretty entertaining race though. I have Richmond end of July, Watkins Glen, and Daytona races coming in August, so it's gonn be a tough 2 months for me on that end. Actually wish I was in Watkins Glen this weekend for the IMSA race. Definitely a lot of fun to watch those super cars. It's never easy with racing as you don't have these events come thru every weekend so planning and forecasting is quite tough.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 21, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Glad I am not working that one, ha! Gonna be wild since everything is bascially new there. Should be a pretty entertaining race though. I have Richmond end of July, Watkins Glen, and Daytona races coming in August, so it's gonn be a tough 2 months for me on that end. Actually wish I was in Watkins Glen this weekend for the IMSA race. Definitely a lot of fun to watch those super cars. It's never easy with racing as you don't have these events come thru every weekend so planning and forecasting is quite tough.
EVERYTHING IS NEW. They even put in leather (or simulated) covered padded park benches (perfect for homeless. <blank stare> many million investment,
You prolly don’t want to work this one, traffic will be full blown disaster, every hotel will be full. its over the 4th, 2 million show up for fireworks alone. Its going to be a sardine can. Great for those who like that. I’ll need a week off totally away from people.
As soon as those two are over ee go straight into lollapalooza 2023.
Grab the money while you can, down-time sucks.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Shuffler on June 21, 2023, 02:34:42 PM
Anyone want to take a shot at tyhe body count?
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 21, 2023, 03:34:14 PM
Being a new event, It can go either way, hard to guess. But I figure on race day, within the actual race area, wild guess,....200-300k, wild guess.
For that week, including the 4th, all days combined, 2-3 million out for the events...it'll be another 200-300k for Lolla.
Whack-job shootings,...dump those numbers. Chicago CAN be an evil place. Interesting to see how it all ends..lol I live 35miles away in IN...you have to choke me with money to go there.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Devil 505 on June 21, 2023, 04:34:05 PM
The race itself will probably be nothing more than a very noisy parade. Street circuits generally suck even with light/small race cars, never mind a 3700 pound stock car.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 21, 2023, 05:18:38 PM
Being a new event, It can go either way, hard to guess. But I figure on race day, within the actual race area, wild guess,....200-300k, wild guess.
For that week, including the 4th, all days combined, 2-3 million out for the events...it'll be another 200-300k for Lolla.
Whack-job shootings,...dump those numbers. Chicago CAN be an evil place. Interesting to see how it all ends..lol I live 35miles away in IN...you have to choke me with money to go there.
Ehhh, I'd be suprised if 30,000 show for the race TBH. If Xfinity is there maybe 10k for that.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 21, 2023, 05:30:02 PM
The race itself will probably be nothing more than a very noisy parade. Street circuits generally suck even with light/small race cars, never mind a 3700 pound stock car.
Wouldn’t surprise me none. Change of pace from talking heads and concerts. They are seriously blowing a lot of $$, the labor invoice alone is nuts. All for like you said, a noisy parade.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Chris79 on June 21, 2023, 05:31:27 PM
It's so true. I was at the track in New Hampshire in 2010 and some drunk arse fan decided to climb the catch fence before the race began and fell onto the track.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 21, 2023, 06:21:48 PM
Ehhh, I'd be suprised if 30,000 show for the race TBH. If Xfinity is there maybe 10k for that.
Could be right, hard call. But there are close to that many in that area when nothing is going on. Either guess could be right, not betting. :). Lucky the race is on the 2nd.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Meatwad on June 21, 2023, 08:33:19 PM
Hope they drive through the south side. The car with the least amount of bullet holes wins the race. Dont stop for a pit stop there though. They will take your old tires off, and then run away with them
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 22, 2023, 12:32:31 AM
Hope they drive through the south side. The car with the least amount of bullet holes wins the race. Dont stop for a pit stop there though. They will take your old tires off, and then run away with them
West side tops south side these days. Like a 3rd world country.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: LCADolby on June 22, 2023, 04:13:43 AM
I love NASCAR.
Mark Martin was my hero.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 22, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
Yeah NASCAR is actually quite fun to watch. It's got a lot of energy, big sounds of the engines, crashes, and it's pretty entertaining when you realize there is more strategy to it than just driving around in circles. I've grown to like it over the years. I've also really started to enjoy the IMSA racing as well. Never really knew much about it until the Rolex24 at Daytona, but those cars are a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Banshee7 on June 22, 2023, 01:45:57 PM
Nascar in Chicago, will be working production. Crew: 300 42 day setup, televised production, load-out 24/7 work - 12 hr shifts 1/3 of the city
Even repaved the streets for racing.
Gonna be a blast.
There’s profit in chaos :)
This is awesome! I haven't kept up with NASCAR in quite a while, but I always gotta cheer for a "local" boy, Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: The Fugitive on June 22, 2023, 09:03:56 PM
NASCAR has gone down hill so much in the last few years. They have taken all of the "backyard ingenuity" that the sport was known for out of the game. All the cars are the same as they are all supplied by NASCAR approved companys. Heaven forbid you fabricate a part in your own garage!
The excitement of the races has gone way down as nobody can pass (....because all the cars are the same) other than punting someone out of the way and about all that gets you is a pass thru penalty and a review after the race.
Years ago a bunch of drivers were complaining that the speeds at some tracks were going over 200 mph and that was getting too dangerous. Earnhardt said if your too afraid to race at 200 mph get the hell out! Thats what your getting paid to do. NASCAR has taken all that away in the pass few years. On top of that the new cars are hurting drivers. F1, and indy learned long ago that you want a car to come apart in a crash. This way a bit of energy leaves with every piece that comes off. These new car in NASCAR dont come apart and all that energy in a crash stays put and the driver takes the hit.
No NASCAR isnt what it use to be. Id rather watch IMSA or F1 (......only because I love seeing Mercedes and Hamilton getting their butts kicked!)
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 22, 2023, 10:20:37 PM
NASCAR has gone down hill so much in the last few years. They have taken all of the "backyard ingenuity" that the sport was known for out of the game. All the cars are the same as they are all supplied by NASCAR approved companys. Heaven forbid you fabricate a part in your own garage!
The excitement of the races has gone way down as nobody can pass (....because all the cars are the same) other than punting someone out of the way and about all that gets you is a pass thru penalty and a review after the race.
Years ago a bunch of drivers were complaining that the speeds at some tracks were going over 200 mph and that was getting too dangerous. Earnhardt said if your too afraid to race at 200 mph get the hell out! Thats what your getting paid to do. NASCAR has taken all that away in the pass few years. On top of that the new cars are hurting drivers. F1, and indy learned long ago that you want a car to come apart in a crash. This way a bit of energy leaves with every piece that comes off. These new car in NASCAR dont come apart and all that energy in a crash stays put and the driver takes the hit.
No NASCAR isnt what it use to be. Id rather watch IMSA or F1 (......only because I love seeing Mercedes and Hamilton getting their butts kicked!)
I would have to agree on all. A lot of sports are different than past years. I usually stop watching when a sport becomes over commercialized, or contemporary. I still watch hockey, but no longer football. It's like dumbing down hard rock & roll to soft pop.
For me it's just something different to do than the norm. The sound part is actually very simple stuff. Hook up signal, monitor signal. Almost any sound guy can do that. It's just a few mics splitting to network trucks and crowd speakers. It's not rocket science. They are pretty self-contained.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 23, 2023, 06:59:21 AM
NASCAR has gone down hill so much in the last few years. They have taken all of the "backyard ingenuity" that the sport was known for out of the game. All the cars are the same as they are all supplied by NASCAR approved companys. Heaven forbid you fabricate a part in your own garage!
The excitement of the races has gone way down as nobody can pass (....because all the cars are the same) other than punting someone out of the way and about all that gets you is a pass thru penalty and a review after the race.
Years ago a bunch of drivers were complaining that the speeds at some tracks were going over 200 mph and that was getting too dangerous. Earnhardt said if your too afraid to race at 200 mph get the hell out! Thats what your getting paid to do. NASCAR has taken all that away in the pass few years. On top of that the new cars are hurting drivers. F1, and indy learned long ago that you want a car to come apart in a crash. This way a bit of energy leaves with every piece that comes off. These new car in NASCAR dont come apart and all that energy in a crash stays put and the driver takes the hit.
No NASCAR isnt what it use to be. Id rather watch IMSA or F1 (......only because I love seeing Mercedes and Hamilton getting their butts kicked!)
I'm not a huge fan of the new look. Though I believe NASCAR was trying to make it more "fair" for drivers who didn't have deep pocket teams. TBH, I haven't really noticed too much of a difference from the old cares. Cars still get lapped, the same 10 guys win most of the races, I wouldn't necessarily agree about passing. There are certainly drivers and cars who are faster. Remember there is a lot of strategy in car setup for a race. They seem to be just as fast as the old cars, about 195 tops. I do agree that keepin under 200 is lame. I was really hoping to see them expand the limits of their top speed to say 210-220. I feel they would still have accidents just the same and wouldn't make that bug of a difference in crashes. There are only a few tracks they can even reach top speed as well.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on June 23, 2023, 10:44:44 AM
From the viewpoint of being seriously involved in motorsports for 45 years, NASCAR has been in steady decline for 40 years, and rapid decline for 25. The Brian France era began the rapid decline, and it has not abated.
What made NASCAR was the use of an actual two door sedan, with production based body panels and frame, and a production based engine. When Bill France Jr. allowed the smaller sports coupe, and then the front wheel drive cars that devolved into jelly beans, the decline began. Then they allowed engines designed purely for racing. After that, it became nothing but tricks and gimmicks. There was also the foolish pursuit of "new markets", where they abandoned the hard core fans, and the tracks they loved, in order to try to bring in "new fans" and those cookie cutter 1-1/2 mile tracks. They took racing away from people who loved it, closed their tracks, and told them "too bad". The "new markets" failed, and the racing on the "cookie cutter" tracks sucked.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: GasTeddy on June 24, 2023, 03:58:55 AM
There were times, when stock cars were more or less stock and drivers pure beskar (https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/racing-and-racing-cars/in-memoriam-david-pearson-the-best-nascar-driver-ever/). Not anyway to understate cars and drivers of today, but watching these old clips are lifting my pulse easier. Especially road course ones.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: The Fugitive on June 24, 2023, 09:06:47 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the new look. Though I believe NASCAR was trying to make it more "fair" for drivers who didn't have deep pocket teams. TBH, I haven't really noticed too much of a difference from the old cares. Cars still get lapped, the same 10 guys win most of the races, I wouldn't necessarily agree about passing. There are certainly drivers and cars who are faster. Remember there is a lot of strategy in car setup for a race. They seem to be just as fast as the old cars, about 195 tops. I do agree that keepin under 200 is lame. I was really hoping to see them expand the limits of their top speed to say 210-220. I feel they would still have accidents just the same and wouldn't make that bug of a difference in crashes. There are only a few tracks they can even reach top speed as well.
More fair????
All cars are now built for NASCAR from a 3rd party and have a set price.....which aint cheap. You are not allowed to modify the cars in any way other than shock/spring setting and camber, but all with in certain limits. Go to far one way or the other and your disqualified.
Now you have to get a driver that can drive with in those constraints. Turn the wheel this much at this time, tap the brakes, wait.....then accelerate off the corner at the precise time and repeat time after time doing as close to perfect everytime. Welcome "sim drivers". All of the drivers who came up muscling a car around a track are retired or pushed out of their cars for kids who are good at sim racing.
Pitcrews are were the race is these days. Its more important on how many spots you can pick up in the pits with a clean fast stop.
All this to make it "fairer", and yet there are still only 3, maybe 4 teams that compete week after week for the wins and more than half the field not even being close to those leaders. Its too bad the way its gone.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: knorB on June 24, 2023, 10:44:36 AM
From the viewpoint of being seriously involved in motorsports for 45 years, NASCAR has been in steady decline for 40 years, and rapid decline for 25. The Brian France era began the rapid decline, and it has not abated.
What made NASCAR was the use of an actual two door sedan, with production based body panels and frame, and a production based engine. When Bill France Jr. allowed the smaller sports coupe, and then the front wheel drive cars that devolved into jelly beans, the decline began. Then they allowed engines designed purely for racing. After that, it became nothing but tricks and gimmicks. There was also the foolish pursuit of "new markets", where they abandoned the hard core fans, and the tracks they loved, in order to try to bring in "new fans" and those cookie cutter 1-1/2 mile tracks. They took racing away from people who loved it, closed their tracks, and told them "too bad". The "new markets" failed, and the racing on the "cookie cutter" tracks sucked.
This is 100% correct.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: RUSH1 on June 26, 2023, 10:46:34 AM
I just can't get into Nascar these days, so I reminisce by watching these YouTube channels.
https://www.youtube.com/@Stapleton42
https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia
https://www.youtube.com/@TheSceneVault
https://www.youtube.com/@KennyWallace36
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 26, 2023, 07:46:00 PM
>IMO< I'm not sure this race in the city is worth the severe havoc it's causing with traffic, with main roads in a congested city closed off. and it's not even race day. Lollapoluza is less trouble. Adding to the nightmare we're doing Beyonce at Solider Field in Chicago the same night as race day. <blank stare>
I wouldn't want to get anywhere near that city, unfortunately I don't have that option.
Who ever planned these events to happen at the same time is a nutjob.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Meatwad on June 26, 2023, 08:10:50 PM
All cars are now built for NASCAR from a 3rd party and have a set price.....which aint cheap. You are not allowed to modify the cars in any way other than shock/spring setting and camber, but all with in certain limits. Go to far one way or the other and your disqualified.
Now you have to get a driver that can drive with in those constraints. Turn the wheel this much at this time, tap the brakes, wait.....then accelerate off the corner at the precise time and repeat time after time doing as close to perfect everytime. Welcome "sim drivers". All of the drivers who came up muscling a car around a track are retired or pushed out of their cars for kids who are good at sim racing.
Pitcrews are were the race is these days. Its more important on how many spots you can pick up in the pits with a clean fast stop.
All this to make it "fairer", and yet there are still only 3, maybe 4 teams that compete week after week for the wins and more than half the field not even being close to those leaders. Its too bad the way its gone.
Well, I do think there is a driver skill you aren't considering, but its amazing to me how all cars are nearly the same, yet some get lapped and even twice lapped in some cases. I don't believe Sim racing is everything, it doesn't take into consideration the "feel" and weathering of the track, and the adrenaline of actually being in the race is much different than the Sim. Sorta like AH or DCS compared to real life. Its just not quite the same.
I did hear by the announcer last week that they did make the cars crunchier for crashes to help the impact.
IMO, I don't really see too much differences between racing today and racing yesterday. I think people like loud engines. I think people like speed. I think people enjoy close neck and neck racing. I think some understand the inside baseball a little better, but overall there ain't that much differences. Unfortunately racers get old and theirs only 45 of them, so when one great racer retires its tough on their fans. I think there is a lot more money these teams have today relative to the past, and it really could create a lot of disadvantages for younger teams that don't have it , with regards to research and development. It's crazy that some drivers still blow others away even with these changes by NASCAR.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on June 28, 2023, 12:49:24 PM
The loud noises might offend a snowflake, cant have that.
Well it is a city and not a empty field. Stupid to have it in a city in the first place. I already regret it being there, in fact I'm puling off of it. They really caused a major mess. Everyone I talk to regrets it already. It's not even race day and it took me 1 hr to go 10 blocks. They can take that mindless RN crap outta here.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 28, 2023, 01:12:13 PM
Well it is a city and not a empty field. Stupid to have it in a city in the first place. I already regret it being there, in fact I'm puling off of it. They really caused a major mess. Everyone I talk to regrets it already. It's not even race day and it took me 1 hr to go 10 blocks. They can take that mindless RN crap outta here.
Yup, what's crazy is my home company is based out of Chicago and even they decided it probably wasn't going to be a good idea for profitability and travel/payroll costs, as we'd have to send many on the Motorsports team out there.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Meatwad on June 28, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
Well it is a city and not a empty field. Stupid to have it in a city in the first place. I already regret it being there, in fact I'm puling off of it. They really caused a major mess. Everyone I talk to regrets it already. It's not even race day and it took me 1 hr to go 10 blocks. They can take that mindless RN crap outta here.
Apparently Beetlejuice seen no issues with it
"Former Mayor Beetlejuice approved plans for the first-ever NASCAR street race to take place in Chicago on July 1 and July 2 before she left office — without asking the Chicago City Council to sign off on the event that has already started closing streets around Grant Park and will limit access to the park."
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: RUSH1 on June 28, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
When are the greenies going to ban all car racing as it can't help with our climate change...lol
Eagler
I believe F1 now requires teams to use a 1.6L hybrid V6. I've read that it sounds like crap and is ridiculously expensive but will extend our time here on earth by 17 years.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 01, 2023, 01:38:38 PM
They just qualifying today. But I see no huge crowd. Heard they were expecting 50-80k. Not there yet. Also HEARD tickets between $3k-$6k, VIP seats. They almost sound like dirt bikes
News had a report of massive traffic jams.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 01, 2023, 04:00:40 PM
They just qualifying today. But I see no huge crowd. Heard they were expecting 50-80k. Not there yet. Also HEARD tickets between $3k-$6k, VIP seats. They almost sound like dirt bikes
News had a report of massive traffic jams.
I could see 35k maybe for tomorrow, but definitely not today. Maybe 10k if they are lucky. The fires from Canada certainly aren't going to help. Hopefully its not too bad there but I've heard it's smogy.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 01, 2023, 08:12:07 PM
I could see 35k maybe for tomorrow, but definitely not today. Maybe 10k if they are lucky. The fires from Canada certainly aren't going to help. Hopefully its not too bad there but I've heard it's smogy.
Well, so far your predictions are spot on. You certainly know this game better then me. A few of us estimated 10k. Some screwed up info Beyonce isn’t playing until 22, that was a relief for my traffic prediction. Still massive fireworks crowd. But the smoke is bad. Plus it rained off and on. Parking fees are nuts, $50-$80. I’ll spend $450-$500 just to go to work this week. Ya got people into it, and people loathing its here. Tickets are not selling as predicted, common theme seems to be no one is really making much money.
I’m not so much a Nascar fan, more of an F1 fan, indy 500.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 02, 2023, 10:17:53 AM
Constant down-pour in Chicago, streets are flooded, flash flood warnings and travel warnings. Good Times!?!
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 02, 2023, 02:37:11 PM
Sounds like a total chitshow! Wonder If they will even have it today then...
“heavy rain and flooding on different sections of the road course led NASCAR officials to scrap the remainder of the race. According to a statement, officials considered a Monday finish for the race, but scrapped the idea after consulting with city officials.”
To ad to the pain, this morning at 5a when I came in, there were multiple accidents on Dan Ryan and I-55 ramp area, 55 was closed down. I saw two, one just sitting on the center ryan, one I never saw the chassis, just disintegrated body parts, a few more after my exit. To get through that, just to end up with nothing,…I feel bad for the fans. One lady said she waited all yr for this. You can feel the somber in the air as ppl walk by. Just sad for those fans, so let down. It just didn’t end well.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 02, 2023, 05:13:45 PM
Anyone with good common sense would have predicted that. Of course, NASCAR abandoned common sense 4 decades ago. And Chicago long before that.
Boy oh boy, NOW they decide to race at 6:15, lack of communication. I heard the blowers going to dry the track. Xfinity portion canceled
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 02, 2023, 05:38:52 PM
Cars are running,
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Spikes on July 02, 2023, 06:26:54 PM
Pretty cool stuff, not a huge NASCAR fan but road courses are at least interesting.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 02, 2023, 08:12:52 PM
I drive all those roads often., OMW working.
Kinda odd to see the fences and barriers on those roads. But it's not all that odd to see that kind of driving on Lake Shore Drive. It can get nutty on that road. The other 3 roads, during rush hour,... are so clogged you can't go fast enough to hurt anything. One would be wise to up their driving game in the Chicago area. Wrong time of the day is an experience.
In fact, yesterday, at 4:50am on my commute to work, I almost got crushed in the rear by a car doing at least 120. I was only doing 70. he came so fast by the time I saw him his front bumper was about to disappear in my rear view mirror. Had i not pushed 310 hp through the flour and yanked it to the right,.. I'd not be typing this right now. About 1 ft from disaster. THANK GOD FOR FLIGHT SIMS and ACM <nods>. :)
The race is a mixture of misery, history,sad, and proud our union put it together, and the entertainment. I'm going to sleep for a week. It's cute, it's OK to be over. Cya next time around.
I'm working out of the Hilton Chicago, on Michigan Ave (part of the track). That place alone is history.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 02, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Can't believe that guy won the race. First time in 60 years a driver won in their debut race. One thing to be a great driver, another to have a car that's fast enough. That track was giving those dudes a hell of a time. Glad they got the race in. I bet everyone is so thrilled it's over haha.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: The Fugitive on July 02, 2023, 09:09:41 PM
Can't believe that guy won the race. First time in 60 years a driver won in their debut race. One thing to be a great driver, another to have a car that's fast enough. That track was giving those dudes a hell of a time. Glad they got the race in. I bet everyone is so thrilled it's over haha.
Smooth is fast and he has a lot of experience driving similar cars. Experience won that race. And before you say "how come the older NASCAR drivers didnt fair so well?" Its because they are use to wheeling a car around. It is also why most of them are in line for retirement. They cant adapt to this new piece of crap car.
My favorite part was when they all got bunched up in that one corner. It was like watching the go-kart races at the local tracks LOL!
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 03, 2023, 08:43:54 AM
That track was not perfectly dry. I would have thought they’d have done a better job with the blowers.
Drivers didn’t spend a lot of time warming up to the track, so I can see where experience came out on top.
That said, I have no idea what I’m talking about in racing, drivers.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Spikes on July 03, 2023, 08:52:12 AM
Do you have any sort of proof of this or is it purely conjecture?
Im just going by the years Ive watched, and the numbers I've seen. Harvick has 2 wins in the Gen7 car over 3 years, 35 wins in the Gen6 over 5 years. Jimmy Johnson cant finish a race in the Gen7 car. It just looks like the guys who could muscle a car around just dont do well in these new cars.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Devil 505 on July 03, 2023, 03:06:35 PM
Im just going by the years Ive watched, and the numbers I've seen. Harvick has 2 wins in the Gen7 car over 3 years, 35 wins in the Gen6 over 5 years. Jimmy Johnson cant finish a race in the Gen7 car. It just looks like the guys who could muscle a car around just dont do well in these new cars.
The Gen 7 car has only been in use for a year and a half. It debuted last season. Also, Harvick went winless in 2021, the last year with the Gen 6 car.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: RUSH1 on July 04, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
The Gen 7 car has only been in use for a year and a half. It debuted last season. Also, Harvick went winless in 2021, the last year with the Gen 6 car.
The Gen7 was built to bunch drivers up, or to create close racing by making it bullet proof while also eliminating any hint of creativity from the race teams. It's a cookie-cutter car void of personality or manufacturer resemblance.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Devil 505 on July 04, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
The Gen7 was built to bunch drivers up, or to create close racing by making it bullet proof while also eliminating any hint of creativity from the race teams. It's a cookie-cutter car void of personality or manufacturer resemblance.
Don't kid yourself. The gen 5/6 car was no different. Do you forget the "Car of Tomorrow" back in 2007?
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 04, 2023, 08:55:23 PM
I'm not a big fan of the new body look. Almost looks like a damn hatchback. Though, personally, I don't believe they make much of a difference in the overall outcome of the race, given that the top drivers normally always make it to the top, and some drivers you never hear about and never make the top 10. There is certainly a reason for that if you ask me. Hell, Larson was almost unstoppable heading to the end of the year last year and I felt like he definitely found something that made that car faster over the others. I'm glad there was a change to some extent because I was thinking he was going to start winning too much ha.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: RUSH1 on July 04, 2023, 09:18:46 PM
Well, so far your predictions are spot on. You certainly know this game better then me. A few of us estimated 10k. Some screwed up info Beyonce isn’t playing until 22, that was a relief for my traffic prediction. Still massive fireworks crowd. But the smoke is bad. Plus it rained off and on. Parking fees are nuts, $50-$80. I’ll spend $450-$500 just to go to work this week. Ya got people into it, and people loathing its here. Tickets are not selling as predicted, common theme seems to be no one is really making much money.
I’m not so much a Nascar fan, more of an F1 fan, indy 500.
Were you able to get a # on the total attendance for the race by chance? I'm curious.
Also, f1 and Indy 500 get WAY more attendance than NASCAR, almost tripple the attendance than say the Daytona 500. Which is NASCARs largest race. F1 I think even may double Indy 500 out of COTA. It's crazy the amount of fans they get at those races.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: nopoop on July 07, 2023, 08:41:11 AM
NASCAR on circle track is BORING.
Give me sprint cars in the dirt. That is racing..
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: knorB on July 07, 2023, 09:29:12 AM
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 07, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
Those speed bikes at Daytona are freaking ridiculously fast. It's fun to watch them zoom by. Did you see the race at Daytona this year? First and second place guys were going at it the whole race until about the last 10 laps when the second place guy crashed trying to pass. That guy was so pissed! Really fun to watch live.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: knorB on July 07, 2023, 10:27:52 AM
Those speed bikes at Daytona are freaking ridiculously fast. It's fun to watch them zoom by. Did you see the race at Daytona this year? First and second place guys were going at it the whole race until about the last 10 laps when the second place guy crashed trying to pass. That guy was so pissed! Really fun to watch live.
Moto america sub
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: nopoop on July 07, 2023, 12:31:29 PM
Laguna Seca for sport cars. Triumphs, Austin Heallys, Corvetts Lotus super 7's and Porshas all in the same race
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 07, 2023, 02:32:18 PM
Were you able to get a # on the total attendance for the race by chance? I'm curious.
Also, f1 and Indy 500 get WAY more attendance than NASCAR, almost tripple the attendance than say the Daytona 500. Which is NASCARs largest race. F1 I think even may double Indy 500 out of COTA. It's crazy the amount of fans they get at those races.
I've put that behind me I didn't find any stats, except this quote from an article.
"Prior to the event, Nascar announced it was expecting approximately 50,000 people to attend each day. That number has not been finalized, especially with the torrential downpours that plagued Chicago on Sunday. However, NBC had a 2.52 rating and 4.632 million viewers, which is the most viewed race on the platform in six years. It was also the most streamed race ever on Peacock, and NBC Sports digital, with 163,500 viewers."
To be honest, it's better seen on TV. Because of trees and hills I don't think anyone saw the whole track, much less half. The outside 8' fence was covered so ya couldn't really see much from the outside. Unless I had a seat, I wouldn't even bother. Even from the 3rd floor I could not see but one corner, and I was on the track street. Could have been better somewhere else, but not for me.
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Shuffler on July 07, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
I've put that behind me I didn't find any stats, except this quote from an article.
"Prior to the event, Nascar announced it was expecting approximately 50,000 people to attend each day. That number has not been finalized, especially with the torrential downpours that plagued Chicago on Sunday. However, NBC had a 2.52 rating and 4.632 million viewers, which is the most viewed race on the platform in six years. It was also the most streamed race ever on Peacock, and NBC Sports digital, with 163,500 viewers."
To be honest, it's better seen on TV. Because of trees and hills I don't think anyone saw the whole track, much less half. The outside 8' fence was covered so ya couldn't really see much from the outside. Unless I had a seat, I wouldn't even bother. Even from the 3rd floor I could not see but one corner, and I was on the track street. Could have been better somewhere else, but not for me.
Come on now.... you know you were flying in Aces High and not watching the race........ come on.... admit it.... :D
Title: Re: Nascar in Chicago
Post by: Animl-AW on July 07, 2023, 07:26:03 PM
I'm not a big fan of the new body look. Almost looks like a damn hatchback. Though, personally, I don't believe they make much of a difference in the overall outcome of the race, given that the top drivers normally always make it to the top, and some drivers you never hear about and never make the top 10. There is certainly a reason for that if you ask me. Hell, Larson was almost unstoppable heading to the end of the year last year and I felt like he definitely found something that made that car faster over the others. I'm glad there was a change to some extent because I was thinking he was going to start winning too much ha.
Don't kid yourself. The gen 5/6 car was no different. Do you forget the "Car of Tomorrow" back in 2007?
I wasn't a big fan of Keselowski as a driver, but he's a smart businessman who understands the sport. In this interview with Wallace, I feel like he gives us some accurate and honest insight into why NASCAR has made some of the changes they have over the years.