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Title: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mph on July 06, 2023, 02:14:57 PM
I'd like to point out that lately some bombers seem very very lethal
Might not be "cheating"
Dam sure not helping the game
This game is great, I find myself playing so much that my wife thinks I'm obsessed

The real problem is the huge maps with minimal players

Fair gameplay is important to the future of the game

The game needs players

This guy stands out to everyone that plays, the common perception is that he is using an "unfair advantage "
Call it what you will, but this is not helping the game
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 06, 2023, 02:45:56 PM
In all fairness, it's kind of hard to assess without knowing your skill level or see film, but bombers can certainly shred a plane if you get right on their 6 in a sweet spot. There are guys who have practiced bomber shooting for a long time, and it takes a fair amount of ACM understanding and patients to shoot them down.

I'm with you on the large maps, especially during off hours which make the gameplay very slow and hard to find action. I've been griping about it for a while. There are a few maps that should be taken out of rotation for the time being, especially if we expect to pick up additional players in the off hours. New players don't come here to jabo bases over and over again after a 5-8 minute flight just to get there. That gets old. People want a battle to be apart of.

"Fair" gameplay does not exist in AH. You have late war super E planes flown by really good vets who play a hundred hours a month. Everyone will gang your 109E from 15k alt if you are the only one. Leaving you no chance. That to me is what is hurting gameplay, but its "their $15 a month". There is no "fair gameplay" for the most part. Or you have the current bish in the AM making the game no fun for anyone but themselves, hurting gameplay for the rest of the day in some cases as both knits and rooks gang them, leaving poor fights for all 3 teams in some cases. With these huge maps, you have one team with no action at all, with no players, who create eny problems and that is no fun. If all 3 sides are able to meet each other with a small distance to fly, then you see good fights on all sides. You just simply cannot tell players how to play and there isn't much stopping them from playing easy mode and batting baby seals all day.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: BigR on July 06, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
Ban bombers from firing linked fire while in external mode. Let them fire from their main plane, but that's it. 15 Laser Beams hitting you from 1k out is so gamey it goes beyond the usual quirks and exploits this game has.



Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Shuffler on July 06, 2023, 04:33:36 PM
I just shake my head when someone calls a player good who has to fly a super plane. YMMV
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 05:17:20 PM
 :x :banana: :banana: :neener: :bolt:

Mouse and keyboard for the win.

You don't like my accuracy deal with it. 10,000 hrs in bombers in this game

💪 GET SOME 💪

 :salute

Ban bombers from firing linked fire while in external mode. Let them fire from their main plane, but that's it. 15 Laser Beams hitting you from 1k out is so gamey it goes beyond the usual quirks and exploits this game has.

That is a gross over-estimation of range accuracy. I'm not hammering planes until they are within 800. I don't fire until I see 1000m out because of how inaccurate it can be. Spraying and praying at that distance leads to running out of ammo when it counts.

Keep the whines coming. My toon gunners live off of them :cheers: :x
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: BigR on July 06, 2023, 05:46:55 PM
:x :banana: :banana: :neener: :bolt:

Mouse and keyboard for the win.

You don't like my accuracy deal with it. 10,000 hrs in bombers in this game

💪 GET SOME 💪

 :salute



That is a gross over-estimation of range accuracy. I'm not hammering planes until they are within 800. I don't fire until I see 1000m out because of how inaccurate it can be. Spraying and praying at that distance leads to running out of ammo when it counts.

Keep the whines coming. My toon gunners live off of them :cheers: :x

I acknowledge your skill level and what you do IS impressive. I just think that WHAT you do should not be possible in game. I said it was gamey and it is. More so than almost anything else I can think of. Its just a little better than hiding in solid buildings while in a GV. By all means, continue. Its your 15 bucks.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: CptTrips on July 06, 2023, 05:49:29 PM
<scribble, scribble, scribble..>

10.  No defending your bomber with the gunner positions.


I think we are ready for Letterman.


It's a lot of firepower, but the trade-off is he can only shoot all guns in one direction.  That is a massive disadvantage compared to how the B-17 was designed so that each gun could cover a different sector simultaneously. 

If you can't work with a wingman from different sides you have to be really careful with a skilled gunner.



Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: BigR on July 06, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
<scribble, scribble, scribble..>

10.  No defending your bomber with the gunner positions.


I think we are ready for Letterman.

Yes, completely change what I said and pretend I made an argument that I didnt. You must be in politics. Read it again if you care to actually engage in a debate instead of coming here with snarky comments that dont add anything.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: CptTrips on July 06, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Yes, completely change what I said and pretend I made an argument that I didnt. You must be in politics. Read it again if you care to actually engage in a debate instead of coming here with snarky comments that dont add anything.

You got shot down and now you're mad.

So you compare Merv defending his buff with the guns supplied to exploiting a modeling glitch in a building by GV.

Those are not comparable.  Call Hitech.  Maybe he can explain it to you.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 06:07:34 PM
I acknowledge your skill level and what you do IS impressive. I just think that WHAT you do should not be possible in game. I said it was gamey and it is. More so than almost anything else I can think of. Its just a little better than hiding in solid buildings while in a GV. By all means, continue. Its your 15 bucks.
fair enough brother <S>
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: haggerty on July 06, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I cant say for sure if he cheats, I just know that he is several times better than the old bomber gunner experts.  Even as one of the best bomber killers in the game I actively avoid him because I believe that he is cheating.  Best I can recommend is just avoid him. 
The justification for him being so good is that he uses a mouse....but all gunners use the mouse.  999000 was great but was no where near these levels.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 06:23:24 PM
I cant say for sure if he cheats, I just know that he is several times better than the old bomber gunner experts.  Even as one of the best bomber killers in the game I actively avoid him because I believe that he is cheating.  Best I can recommend is just avoid him. 
The justification for him being so good is that he uses a mouse....but all gunners use the mouse.  999000 was great but was no where near these levels.
pretty lame. I don't cheat. A guy just can't become the best at something in this game without that accusation flying around  :x

You are below me hagtard. Thank you for the compliment :ahand
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: haggerty on July 06, 2023, 06:27:23 PM
Its no problem to be the best, but to be so much better than the best is going to bring accusations.   Dont pretend like you dont live off them, just enjoy your trolling. 
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Animl-AW on July 06, 2023, 06:56:02 PM
I'm not the smartest clown in the circus...but

I would assume the calculation of a target moving towards you and the rounds towards the target, closes that 1k gap quick, depending on how fast the target is approaching. Same with HOs. IF the target was heading away from the firing gun it would be the opposite, depending on speed.

two cars heading towards each other both going 35mph when passing it's the same as 70.

2 cents from the village idiot.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: RELIC on July 06, 2023, 07:09:24 PM
Last camp I killed him 11 times with no losses.  5 of those were in a Pony B with all those massive guns... 
This isn't intended as a "look at me" post - that is Finetime's wheelhouse  :rofl  Now he's shot me down a few times too, but he's not unkillable and frankly I like the challenge of shooting down his buffs.

I learned ages ago how and when to hit buffs after 999000 schooled me several times.  That said, 999000 was IMO a class act who never went out of his way to grief other players gameplay.  Gameplay which, IMO, would be a better if people would stop crying cheat and Finetime would stop trying to hit HQ.  But blah blah blah... obla-de oblah-dah I need another scotch.

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: CptTrips on July 06, 2023, 08:15:16 PM


https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834
 (https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834)
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 09:22:54 PM
Its no problem to be the best, but to be so much better than the best is going to bring accusations.   Dont pretend like you dont live off them, just enjoy your trolling.
I suggest you call Dale then and ask him to investigate :😀
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 09:47:21 PM
 This was a double post from the previous one so I erased it
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 09:49:40 PM
Maaan tonight was awesome! Absolutely epic action in the MA :cheers:

I know yall complain about this game not being what it used to be but hot dog this game is still alive and well. I salute everyone of you folks that helps keep the lights on. What a game  :cheers:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Animl-AW on July 06, 2023, 09:59:07 PM
Maaan tonight was awesome! Absolutely epic action in the MA :cheers:

I know yall complain about this game not being what it used to be but hot dog this game is still alive and well. I salute everyone of you folks that helps keep the lights on. What a game  :cheers:

July (Summer), Thurs,. 9pm CT, 117+ in MA.
Lotta life still in this sim, and it can get better.
The sim is better than when I left in 09ish.
I've heard most complaints for decades, from AW to AH, nothing is new. But they get rehashed anyway. They even have the same sentence structure.<shrug>
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 10:34:52 PM

https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834
 (https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834)
just clicked on this and before I watch it in full just gotta say I have never watched an episode of the twilight zone. So thank you very much for sharing ❤️ get yo arse back in this game bro 💪 👊
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: haggerty on July 06, 2023, 10:49:24 PM
I suggest you call Dale then and ask him to investigate :😀

There is nothing for him to investigate, an aim-bot wouldn't be altering the game or server side data.  I work in the IT field and know how easy it would be to program client side.  But it would only be beneficial for bomber gunning and woman guns since they arent fixed, worthless for a fighter.  I use similar programs for other games where its not cheating, but increases quality of life for gameplay.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 11:02:46 PM
There is nothing for him to investigate, an aim-bot wouldn't be altering the game or server side data.  I work in the IT field and know how easy it would be to program client side.  But it would only be beneficial for bomber gunning and woman guns since they arent fixed, worthless for a fighter.  I use similar programs for other games where its not cheating, but increases quality of life for gameplay.
hahahahaha

So you admit to using aimbots in other games and share how easy it would be to use in this game as your reasoning behind knowing that I cheat?

LoL epic!
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: haggerty on July 06, 2023, 11:07:17 PM
hahahahaha

So you admit to using aimbots in other games and share how easy it would be to use in this game as your reasoning behind knowing that I cheat?

LoL epic!

correct, there is a reason you cant hit a target alternating its path constantly, only when the enemy keeps the same path for a second is when they melt.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 11:11:41 PM
correct, there is a reason you cant hit a target alternating its path constantly, only when the enemy keeps the same path for a second is when they melt.
I love this  :x and I love you for this :banana:

 :ahand
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 06, 2023, 11:13:49 PM

https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834
 (https://www.fsd157c.org/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=328834)
man you nailed it with this one. That's exactly tly what's going on hahahaha. Props for sharing  :cheers:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: LCADolby on July 07, 2023, 04:19:32 AM
There is nothing for him to investigate, an aim-bot wouldn't be altering the game or server side data.  I work in the IT field and know how easy it would be to program client side.  But it would only be beneficial for bomber gunning and woman guns since they arent fixed, worthless for a fighter.  I use similar programs for other games where its not cheating, but increases quality of life for gameplay.

Google Translate; "I am fine with using programs to enable cheating, I just haven't been caught in AcesHigh yet."

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Meatwad on July 07, 2023, 06:45:49 AM
There is nothing for him to investigate, an aim-bot wouldn't be altering the game or server side data.  I work in the IT field and know how easy it would be to program client side.  But it would only be beneficial for bomber gunning and woman guns since they arent fixed, worthless for a fighter.  I use similar programs for other games where its not cheating, but increases quality of life for gameplay.

So you are saying if he is using such a program here it is unfair to you and shouldnt be used, but if you are using it for other games then it is perfectly fine since it improves your QOL?

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Eagler on July 07, 2023, 08:07:03 AM
Bombers..just stay away from them

Same with gv's..some of the game has never appealed to some of us

Eagler
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: nrshida on July 07, 2023, 08:09:08 AM
I use similar programs for other games where its not cheating, but increases quality of life for gameplay.

What about the quality of the other player's game playing experience?
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 07, 2023, 08:58:27 AM
correct, there is a reason you cant hit a target alternating its path constantly, only when the enemy keeps the same path for a second is when they melt.
see now I thought planes fly in straight lines in this game? You lag switching, stick stirring sexy devil you.  :banana:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: haggerty on July 07, 2023, 10:13:58 AM
What about the quality of the other player's game playing experience?

The games I use it in are RPGs for fishing, not griefing other players.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Meatwad on July 07, 2023, 10:14:42 AM
What about the quality of the other player's game playing experience?

Its fine because it benefits him
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 07, 2023, 10:32:17 AM
The games I use it in are RPGs for fishing, not griefing other players.
see rule #7  :x :aok
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: nrshida on July 07, 2023, 10:56:33 AM
The games I use it in are RPGs for fishing, not griefing other players.

Just in general then beyond the scope of AH, you choose to spend time playing a fishing game which presumably involves a degree of the old skill / challenge / reward loop and yet you use some kind of external assistance. Appears to have an inherently self-defeating motif, no?

Surely you don't get the chicks in a fishing game like TheJudge does from his high score in AH?
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Shuffler on July 07, 2023, 12:05:43 PM
Last camp I killed him 11 times with no losses.  5 of those were in a Pony B with all those massive guns... 
This isn't intended as a "look at me" post - that is Finetime's wheelhouse  :rofl  Now he's shot me down a few times too, but he's not unkillable and frankly I like the challenge of shooting down his buffs.

I learned ages ago how and when to hit buffs after 999000 schooled me several times.  That said, 999000 was IMO a class act who never went out of his way to grief other players gameplay.  Gameplay which, IMO, would be a better if people would stop crying cheat and Finetime would stop trying to hit HQ.  But blah blah blah... obla-de oblah-dah I need another scotch.


HA  999 was top of the line for a long long time. Better than that, he is gracious and a really good person.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: JimmyD3 on July 07, 2023, 04:07:42 PM
Just in general then beyond the scope of AH, you choose to spend time playing a fishing game which presumably involves a degree of the old skill / challenge / reward loop and yet you use some kind of external assistance. Appears to have an inherently self-defeating motif, no?

Surely you don't get the chicks in a fishing game like TheJudge does from his high score in AH?

Call it what you want, but using enhancements in fishing game, offline at home, single player, is NOT comparably to using an aim-bot or some other hack in an online multiplayer game. Trying to compare the two is like comparing Apples and garlic. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Blinky on July 07, 2023, 05:29:44 PM
Call it what you want, but using enhancements in fishing game, offline at home, single player, is NOT comparably to using an aim-bot or some other hack in an online multiplayer game. Trying to compare the two is like comparing Apples and garlic. :rolleyes:

He makes a point. You'd be amazed at what modding can do...
However, cheating in an online multiplayer is a broad difference with actual repercussions that effect other actual people, and not your fishing spot offline.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Max on July 07, 2023, 05:34:04 PM
:x :banana: :banana: :neener: :bolt:

Mouse and keyboard for the win.


Nobody beats The Wiz  :old:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 07, 2023, 05:35:39 PM
Nobody beats The Wiz  :old:
Nobody  :banana:

I don't cheat <S>
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Peanut1 on July 07, 2023, 06:39:53 PM
Nobody  :banana:

I don't cheat <S>
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: BLINK on July 07, 2023, 06:42:06 PM
Maaan tonight was awesome! Absolutely epic action in the MA :cheers:

I know yall complain about this game not being what it used to be but hot dog this game is still alive and well. I salute everyone of you folks that helps keep the lights on. What a game  :cheers:

Titanic Tuesday's...now they were "epic"...
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 07, 2023, 06:43:59 PM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

 
Low blow shot dude...
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 07, 2023, 07:04:17 PM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.
hahahahaha :banana:

God I love this. I would say you can do better but you can't. :x  :cheers:

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Dadtallica on July 07, 2023, 07:07:47 PM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

Not at all necessary. Do better.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: mERv on July 07, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
Not at all necessary. Do better.
I thought it was hilarious :banana: :aok

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Lazerr on July 07, 2023, 07:25:52 PM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

Really?
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: 8thJinx on July 07, 2023, 07:32:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYqu1Il9Ps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYqu1Il9Ps)
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Blinky on July 07, 2023, 07:46:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYqu1Il9Ps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYqu1Il9Ps)

This was actually a very interesting watch. Thanks lol
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: nrshida on July 08, 2023, 01:26:08 AM
Call it what you want, but using enhancements in fishing game, offline at home, single player, is NOT comparably to using an aim-bot or some other hack in an online multiplayer game. Trying to compare the two is like comparing Apples and garlic. :rolleyes:

And I agree. I wasn't comparing just trying to understand the mentality of circumventing the challenge.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: nrshida on July 08, 2023, 01:28:26 AM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

Spiteful, immature and ignorant. Try to get a clue.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: LCADolby on July 08, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

Shots fired...

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: save on July 10, 2023, 08:13:39 AM
My main problem with bomber and rear gunner accuracy in AH come from the fact they can do it at 3G  turns, something if you ever experienced it, you know you will not hit anything if you are a gunner.
Most famous is the A20 dog fighting, the gunners shooting and killing in a 60 degree bank pulling 3G's.
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: Prayer on July 10, 2023, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Peanut1 on July 07, 2023, 06:39:53 PM
can take that off the list of reasons your kids and baby mama set sail for a better life.

 Yuck. How obnoxiously ignorant
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2023, 11:32:27 AM


Well, when you whip up lynch mobs, don't be surprised when someone eventually shows up with rope.

Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: 100Coogn on July 10, 2023, 12:39:43 PM

Well, when you whip up lynch mobs, don't be surprised when someone eventually shows up with rope.

You just have to keep the BS flowing huh...

Coogan
Title: Re: Insane accuracy?
Post by: CptTrips on July 10, 2023, 12:48:03 PM
You just have to keep the BS flowing huh...

Do you normally choke on red pills?  Would you like a glass of water?

Besides, I thought you had me on ignore.  LoL.  Fugi has been putting me on ignore since 2018.  He just can't stick with it.