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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Slade on July 28, 2023, 07:41:03 AM
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Request to AI (Bard): Please give me the best most accurate Internet links on the current facts on global warming.
Response
Sure, here are some of the best and most accurate internet links on the current facts on global warming:
- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): The IPCC is the leading international body for the assessment of climate change. Their website provides a wealth of information on the science of climate change, its impacts, and potential solutions. Link: https://www.ipcc.ch/
- National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA): NASA's website has a section on climate change that provides information on the science, impacts, and solutions. Link: https://climate.nasa.gov/
- National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): NOAA's website has a section on climate change that provides information on the science, impacts, and solutions. Link: https://www.climate.gov/
- United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC): The UNFCCC is the international treaty that was adopted in 1992 to address climate change. Their website provides information on the treaty, its negotiations, and its implementation. Link: https://unfccc.int/
- Climate Central: Climate Central is a non-profit organization that provides clear and concise information about climate change. Their website has a variety of resources, including articles, graphics, and data visualizations. Link: https://www.climatecentral.org/
It is important to be critical of the information you find online. Not all sources are created equal, and some may contain inaccurate or misleading information. When evaluating a source, be sure to consider the author's credentials, the source's funding, and the overall quality of the information.
Do whatever it takes to not fool yourself into thinking something is true that is not,
or that something is not true that is. -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Ask it to dispute global warming with counter research and see what it says.
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Question to AI (Bard): Is there any legitimate counter-research that global warming is not happening? If so what are the sources?
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There is some counter research that suggests that global warming is not happening, but it is not considered to be legitimate by the vast majority of climate scientists. This research is often based on cherry-picked data or flawed methodologies, and it has been repeatedly debunked by peer-reviewed studies.
Some of the most well-known sources of counter research on global warming include:
The Heartland Institute: A conservative think tank that has published several reports questioning the science of climate change.
The Cato Institute: Another conservative think tank that has published similar reports.
The Global Warming Policy Foundation: A British think tank that has also published reports on climate change.
The research from these organizations has been criticized by many scientists, who argue that it is based on flawed data and methodologies. For example, a 2015 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that the Heartland Institute's reports on climate change were "riddled with errors," and that they "misrepresented the scientific consensus on climate change."
In conclusion, there is no legitimate counter research that suggests that global warming is not happening. The vast majority of climate scientists agree that the planet is warming, and that human activity is the primary cause. The research from organizations like the Heartland Institute and the Cato Institute is not considered to be legitimate by the scientific community.
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You tell 'em, Slade. In. :old:
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Question to AI (Bard): Is there any legitimate counter-research that global warming is not happening? If so what are the sources?
Response:
There is some counter research that suggests that global warming is not happening, but it is not considered to be legitimate by the vast majority of climate scientists. This research is often based on cherry-picked data or flawed methodologies, and it has been repeatedly debunked by peer-reviewed studies.
Some of the most well-known sources of counter research on global warming include:
The Heartland Institute: A conservative think tank that has published several reports questioning the science of climate change.
The Cato Institute: Another conservative think tank that has published similar reports.
The Global Warming Policy Foundation: A British think tank that has also published reports on climate change.
The research from these organizations has been criticized by many scientists, who argue that it is based on flawed data and methodologies. For example, a 2015 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that the Heartland Institute's reports on climate change were "riddled with errors," and that they "misrepresented the scientific consensus on climate change."
In conclusion, there is no legitimate counter research that suggests that global warming is not happening. The vast majority of climate scientists agree that the planet is warming, and that human activity is the primary cause. The research from organizations like the Heartland Institute and the Cato Institute is not considered to be legitimate by the scientific community.
Bard sounds like a smart dude.
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Sounds like it's pretty biased towards one position...surely it's not definitely not the sun though.
Gotta go back to the stone ages to save the planet! PROGRESS at it's finest. :D
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Do whatever it takes to not fool yourself into thinking something is true that is not,
or that something is not true that is. -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Reality is biased. :old:
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Reality is biased.
Reality is only biased for trolls and autocrats. They need you to see something that is not there. That possibly disagrees with their agenda or beliefs.
Notice I simply presented the Global Warming information as-is. Unedited. Uncherry-picked. Gave all my sources.
Reality: The quality or state of being actual or true.
-The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
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I went ahead and posted the same question to all the other major AI sources on the planet (ChatGPT, Pi etc.). They all basically said the same thing.
Either ALL the AI on this planet and ALL the major legit world scientific orgs are wrong or...[connect the dots]...what they responded with is true.
Just a thought. :salute
EDIT: "In critical moments, men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see." –Spock, Star Trek
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You don't think scientists could be biased towards the money just s teensy tiny bit?
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You don't think scientists could be biased towards the money just s teensy tiny bit?
All of them in every legit world org? All AI? All major non-denominational accredited colleges? The military? Insurance agencies? They are all agreeing on the facts of this.
Just say'n. :salute
EDIT: I wonder what industries need to put out false information on this. Oh, Big Oil and friends!
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(https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-XS2Td3turwzuPWIz-UVBJww-t500x500.jpg)
They all go by whatever the popular opinion is. If you speak out against whatever the popular thing is to do or what you are told to say/believe, you are "cancelled" and your online presence cease to exist.
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Guys,
I know this is a really hard pill for some of you to swallow. You are allowed to change though. I'm not some tree-hugger. I'm prob the same political party as you. I just am a little more objective on this and trying to help a brother\sista see this outside a news silo.
There is no reward for being on the wrong side of history on this one. We are smarter than this. We are mature enough to see that everything is not a conspiracy theory or woke or whatever. :salute
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All of them in every legit world org? All AI? All major non-denominational accredited colleges? The military? Insurance agencies? They are all agreeing on the facts of this.
Just say'n. :salute
EDIT: I wonder what industries need to put out false information on this. Oh, Big Oil and friends!
AI just does internet research and reports the findings. I'm glad you brought up insurance. Why, if they're on board with climate change.. do they continue to cover real estate in areas which have been guaranteed to be horribly affected by climate change? Seems that they say one thing while doing something completely different...
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AI just does internet research and reports the findings. I'm glad you brought up insurance. Why, if they're on board with climate change.. do they continue to cover real estate in areas which have been guaranteed to be horribly affected by climate change? Seems that they say one thing while doing something completely different...
I could see them using that as an excuse to refuse payouts or make you pay a premium simply because it would increase their profit margins and people would believe it because they used certain keywords
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I could see them using that as an excuse to refuse payouts or make you pay a premium simply because it would increase their profit margins and people would believe it because they used certain keywords
some of the companies are mutual companies. in the same markets their tastes are also going up. explain that.
semp
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Some of you are really just plain stupid.
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Best bogeyman yet.. them ole terrorism terrorists must be on vaca..
Independence Day aliens might take the title with time but for now we are battling hot sticky days and anyone not on board will be canceled
Can't get in the way of all the fresh printed $$$ going to modern day Solyndra
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
Eagler
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You don't think scientists could be biased towards the money just s teensy tiny bit?
I'm glad someone brought this up, because generally I'm a 'follow the money' kind of guy myself. The U.S. government alone is planning to spend hundreds of billions on climate change efforts over the coming decade:
Aug 22 (Reuters) - The U.S. government will spend more than $500 billion on climate technology and clean energy over the next decade under three recently enacted laws, an analysis by non-profit RMI found.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-spend-more-than-500-bln-climate-over-decade-under-three-laws-study-says-2022-08-22/ (https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-spend-more-than-500-bln-climate-over-decade-under-three-laws-study-says-2022-08-22/)
In comparison, the oil and gas industry has delivered $2.8bn (£2.3bn) a day in pure profit for the last 50 years
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years)
(https://i.imgur.com/rcKAKdI.jpg)
The pay of scientists and profits of companies involved in climate change research and mitigation are a tiny fraction of oil and gas company profits.
To your question about why insurance companies would continue to offer coverage in areas to be affected adversely, they are beginning to pull out of Florida:
Farmers Insurance pulls out of Florida, affecting 100,000 policyholders (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/12/business/farmers-insurance-florida/index.html)
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Guys,
We are smarter than this. We are mature enough to see that everything is not a conspiracy theory or woke or whatever. :salute
I suggest that current events tend to show that your statement, while optimistic, might not be accurate.
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Why, if they're on board with climate change.. do they continue to cover real estate in areas which have been guaranteed to be horribly affected by climate change?
Good point. Here in Florida, Insurance company-after-company have bailed and are bailing. It's too much for them to handle.
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Here is something to ponder
Right now the govt is dumping hundreds of millions into research and studies on how global warming aka climate change is going to kill the planet
BUT WAIT
Now instead what if they decided to use the same hundreds of millions in research for studies to prove that climate change is actually false and the planet is just going through one of its climate cycles that have happened since the planet formed? I can 100% guarantee that all these new studies will come out suddenly debunking climate change. Why would that happen? Because the " climate scientists" are suddenly now being paid to find a way to make the numbers work in their favor. As long as they pump out the results that they are paid to find, they will continue to get free grant money to support their studies
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I'm curious what it says about the world warming 10,000 years ago to melt the ice age, or what caused the ice age to begin with. Was it Human caused then? Where did all of that water in north America near Montana go? :headscratch:
Also, why aren't organizations described considered liberal when it suggested that anything challenging them were from "conservative sources".
Why doesn't it mention all of the scientist who have raised red about this data?
Did you know that the models used to measure global climate change are also "man made"
Can you ask Bard if Depopulation would help solve global warming?
Why are they are they trying to come up with methods to block the sun if it's not the sun that is causing hotter global temps?
Certainly makes you wonder...
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8,050,595,090 people don't cause air pollution?
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Just remember John Kerry DOES NOT OWN A JET !!!
His wife does...
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8,050,595,090 people don't cause air pollution?
Air pollution doesn't cause warming... how many times I gotta explain this...hot air rises and cools, compounds break down in the atmosphere. Just because a local area is hotter, doesn't mean there is more pollution. The whole promise is flawed, as I've stated over and over again. Look at the massive oceans. Somewhere in the middle of the Pacific, has the pollution level changed for that area to be hotter. No, it hasn't.
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Ultimately, no matter how many legit sources are used or how many diverse data sources are used, there will still be those that will not be convinced.
I guess even when the Titanic was going down there were those that would not believe their own eyes. Not believe the staggeringly overwhelming facts and calls by the trusted crew members.
"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours." -Richard Bach
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I am convinced the sources will continue to scream like chicken little as long as their funding comes from the people that tell them what to say
Also this
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been
So can the alarmists explain what factories, fossil fuel use, human intervention caused this? Oh wait..........
There is scientific proof that this is not the first time this planet has gotten slightly warmer, but then again funding certain projects is another way to launder billions of $$$ into certain peoples pockets
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Ultimately, no matter how many legit sources are used or how many diverse data sources are used, there will still be those that will not be convinced.
I guess even when the Titanic was going down there were those that would not believe their own eyes. Not believe the staggeringly overwhelming facts and calls by the trusted crew members.
"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours." -Richard Bach
What you know about "Illusions"? That is one of my favorite books.
It's not about legit sources. It's about control and fear. There is literally nothing humans can do. They keep pushing the goalpost back every 10 years. When it doesn't happen, they say, well another 10 years, and the another 10 years after that. All while they continue to buy Beach front property. The oceans haven't risen, the storms are all the same, they just hit different spots, and more build up of homes and neighborhoods makes the damage cost more.
If everyone stopped every thing, it wouldn't cool the earth one bit. I can guarantee it. Just look at covid and lack of economic activity. That should have stalled out warming and reset it based on how the earth works. It really didn't, and the fear remains the same. We will all be dead by the time any actual earthly warming will have any negative effects on humanity.
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https://pollutionprobsplhs.weebly.com/main-blog/blog-post-6-global-warming
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So AI actually is artificial. As for its reply to the second question, it stated the same thing said about the fear mongers. Cherry picking is a passion for some and the only way to push their agenda. Should the money stop coming in, they will find something else to banter about.
I saw a report that said Biden had never fell down. On a closer look... it was based on two days in March 2020.
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Some of you are really just plain stupid.
Not seeing much improvement here.
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Exxon disputed climate findings for years. Its scientists knew better.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/01/harvard-led-analysis-finds-exxonmobil-internal-research-accurately-predicted-climate-change/#:~:text=The%20Harvard%20team%20discovered%20that,emissions%20over%20the%20coming%20decades. (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/01/harvard-led-analysis-finds-exxonmobil-internal-research-accurately-predicted-climate-change/#:~:text=The%20Harvard%20team%20discovered%20that,emissions%20over%20the%20coming%20decades.)
In “Assessing ExxonMobil’s Global Warming Projections,” researchers from Harvard and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research show for the first time the accuracy of previously unreported forecasts created by company scientists from 1977 through 2003. The Harvard team discovered that Exxon researchers created a series of remarkably reliable models and analyses projecting global warming from carbon dioxide emissions over the coming decades. Specifically, Exxon projected that fossil fuel emissions would lead to 0.20 degrees Celsius of global warming per decade, with a margin of error of 0.04 degrees — a trend that has been proven largely accurate.
“This paper is the first ever systematic assessment of a fossil fuel company’s climate projections, the first time we’ve been able to put a number on what they knew,” said Geoffrey Supran, lead author and former research fellow in the History of Science at Harvard. “What we found is that between 1977 and 2003, excellent scientists within Exxon modeled and predicted global warming with, frankly, shocking skill and accuracy only for the company to then spend the next couple of decades denying that very climate science.”
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Green energy is green because of the $$$$$$$$ it makes no other reason
Mean scary weather....days are numbered lol
Eagler
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Reality is only biased for trolls and autocrats. They need you to see something that is not there. That possibly disagrees with their agenda or beliefs.
MMGW mandates have supported more agendas over the last 50 years than anything else I can think of.
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The climate changes. It has since the planet was formed. It did long before man walked on the planet.
The Ice Age coming and going was a greater change than we've seen in 200 plus years of "man's industrial actions" supposedly causing" climate change.
Anyone remember reading about how cold it was in the thirties and forties? But after the heat wave and drought just a few years earlier?
In the sixties and seventies, the fear was literally a coming ice age. Less than sixty years ago.
The result? Higher taxes, and more regulations.
In the eighties, it was acid rain. Why? Catalytic converters.
The result? More taxes, more regulations, more emissions equipment.
In the nineties, it became global warming.
The result? More taxes, more regulations.
Then every few years since, "life on the planet will be extinct in 12 years!" or, "life will be extinct in 20 years!", or "we only have less than a dozen years to save the planet!"
The result? More taxes, more regulations.
Does anyone see a pattern there?
It is amusing the hubris of these people, thinking that they can tax people and write regulations, and change the climate on the planet. They're hilarious.
Ever notice "the seas are rising", but Obama built a house in Martha's Vineyard and a house on the beach in Hawaii? Ever seen Al Gore Jr's massive house in Nashville? And his massive fleet of huge SUV's? Ever seen the dozens of private jets and fleets of limousines and SUV's at a "save the planet climate change" conference?
People are being played. Like a cheap fiddle.
The climate changes. It always has. It always will. The hubris that makes "humans" think that they can control it is utterly hilarious. So is the hypocrisy among those making those claims.
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Capt. it is not that the climate changes but at which rate the +climate changes. Your doom and gloom scenarios mentioned did not happen because stuff was done to stop, or ar least slow down, the scenarios.
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Capt. it is not that the climate changes but at which rate the +climate changes. Your doom and gloom scenarios mentioned did not happen because stuff was done to stop, or ar least slow down, the scenarios.
Serious question. What was done in the world during the 60s and 70s about the impending ice age that was predicted to come that was going to doom the planet? What stuff was done to prevent the possible global ice age
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Capt. it is not that the climate changes but at which rate the +climate changes. Your doom and gloom scenarios mentioned did not happen because stuff was done to stop, or ar least slow down, the scenarios.
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My God are you serious ???? Lol....
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There was no scientific consensus in the 60 and 70s that the Earth was cooling and another Ice Age was imminent. What you remember are the sensational media stories of the time.
(https://skepticalscience.com/pics/GlobalCooling.JPG)
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm (https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm)
We now know that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – caused localised cooling closest to the areas where most of it originated. Smogs constitute a deadly health hazard and governments acted quickly to clean up that type of pollution: highly visible (unlike CO2), it was hard to ignore. Once largely removed, its effects no longer influenced Northern Hemisphere temperatures, that have steadily climbed since around 1970.
In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become clear that the cooling trend was indeed localised – it was most pronounced in northern land areas. Other places around the world revealed a different story. Furthermore, at the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a significantly greater number - approximately six times more - published papers indicating the opposite - that we were warming. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gases that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would exert a much stronger influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.
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Serious question. What was done in the world during the 60s and 70s about the impending ice age that was predicted to come that was going to doom the planet? What stuff was done to prevent the possible global ice age
Also, what was done during the 70's to save Florida's beaches which we were told would be gone in 20 years? It's one lie or "false prediction" after another with these political activists. Notice I didn't say environmental activists, as they're only the useful idiots in all of this.
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There was no scientific consensus in the 60 and 70s that the Earth was cooling and another Ice Age was imminent. What you remember are the sensational media stories of the time.
(https://skepticalscience.com/pics/GlobalCooling.JPG)
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm (https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm)
We now know that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – caused localised cooling closest to the areas where most of it originated. Smogs constitute a deadly health hazard and governments acted quickly to clean up that type of pollution: highly visible (unlike CO2), it was hard to ignore. Once largely removed, its effects no longer influenced Northern Hemisphere temperatures, that have steadily climbed since around 1970.
In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become clear that the cooling trend was indeed localised – it was most pronounced in northern land areas. Other places around the world revealed a different story. Furthermore, at the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a significantly greater number - approximately six times more - published papers indicating the opposite - that we were warming. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gases that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would exert a much stronger influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.
So according to your quote here. It bascially proved my point that smog, or pollution, caused cooling in localized areas, as I mentioned a few post back.... athannnkyouuuu!
Greenhouse gasses are fundamental building blocks to life. Water vapor, nitrous oxide, C02, ect are all basic compounds that sustain life. These compounds among others actually prevent the sun from frying the earth because they cannot escape the atmosphere. Think about why you would need a "greenhouse" in fhe first place, to prevent your plants from drying out. The compounds stored in greenhouses nourish the plants and prevent them from frying and drying out. The earth is way more complex than a greenhouse though because heat rises and eventually enters a cold atmosphere that releases and breaks down the compounds and creates clouds and rain. You also have wind which disperses compounds. Its why you don't see anymore effects aby where from the train explosion a few months ago. The earth naturally breaks these gasses down, or rains them all over the crops. Yippie! But this isn't causing warming.
Again, look at a desert. It has less greenhouse gases than anywhere else on earth. It has less pollution than anywhere on earth. Less cars, less factories, and less all of that stuff and yet they are the hottest climates on the planet. Think about why. No water, No clouds, nothing for the sun to bounce off of. When you look at places that are getting extremely hot. They have very limited humidity and water vapor in the atmosphere.
The thing I see unfortunately is. They want global warming to happen so badly, because then they can say "see told you so". But the irony is, as noted above in your own quote. If we wanted to cool the atmosphere and global climate overall as they say, then every city should just create more smog. :D
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The fact is that global warming is not harming anybody. It's been beneficial. That's the big lie. That global warming is causing drastic, life-threatening events. None of it's true.
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So according to your quote here. It bascially proved my point that smog, or pollution, caused cooling in localized areas, as I mentioned a few post back.... athannnkyouuuu!
Greenhouse gasses are fundamental building blocks to life. Water vapor, nitrous oxide, C02, ect are all basic compounds that sustain life. These compounds among others actually prevent the sun from frying the earth because they cannot escape the atmosphere. Think about why you would need a "greenhouse" in fhe first place, to prevent your plants from drying out. The compounds stored in greenhouses nourish the plants and prevent them from frying and drying out. The earth is way more complex than a greenhouse though because heat rises and eventually enters a cold atmosphere that releases and breaks down the compounds and creates clouds and rain. You also have wind which disperses compounds. Its why you don't see anymore effects aby where from the train explosion a few months ago. The earth naturally breaks these gasses down, or rains them all over the crops. Yippie! But this isn't causing warming.
Again, look at a desert. It has less greenhouse gases than anywhere else on earth. It has less pollution than anywhere on earth. Less cars, less factories, and less all of that stuff and yet they are the hottest climates on the planet. Think about why. No water, No clouds, nothing for the sun to bounce off of. When you look at places that are getting extremely hot. They have very limited humidity and water vapor in the atmosphere.
The thing I see unfortunately is. They want global warming to happen so badly, because then they can say "see told you so". But the irony is, as noted above in your own quote. If we wanted to cool the atmosphere and global climate overall as they say, then every city should just create more smog. :D
My pleasure, DS.
I also agree with you, the Earth needs greenhouse gases to remain livable. Without them, the Earth would be much cooler. They are a good thing with the right balance. The Earth's Carbon Cycle has kept the C02 concentration in the atmosphere under 300ppm for the last 800,000 years. But something, in the last couple hundred years or so, has been causing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 to spike. Some change has apparently overwhelmed the Earth's ability to regulate atmospheric CO2 at historical levels.
(https://climate.nasa.gov/rails/active_storage/blobs/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBBK2xrQWc9PSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--36e66c856d97392a97346c0d0735e3abd7ed1d87/co2-graph-083122_scaled_scrunched.jpg?disposition=inline)
Yes deserts are hot, and it has to do with lack of water. And they are getting hotter than they have ever been. But places with plenty of water are also breaking temperature records. The surface ocean temperature off Florida exceeded 101 degrees recently. There is plenty of water there.
btw, a greenhouse doesn't stop plants from drying out. You still have to water the plants in a greenhouse. A greenhouse's design helps keep the plants inside warm (due to the greenhouse effect), so you can grow plants in cold weather.
You may be right about the need to increase aerosols in the atmosphere to block a portion of the sunlight from reaching the Earth's surface. If we ever have to go that route, I hope they choose something less harmful than smog.
:salute
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My God are you serious ???? Lol....
Yeah, he is.........
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Does anyone see a pattern there?
Several very simple ones. Sadly the majority of you are too close to the trees and ill-equiped to think straight. Good luck with that :rofl
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My pleasure, DS.
I also agree with you, the Earth needs greenhouse gases to remain livable. Without them, the Earth would be much cooler. They are a good thing with the right balance. The Earth's Carbon Cycle has kept the C02 concentration in the atmosphere under 300ppm for the last 800,000 years. But something, in the last couple hundred years or so, has been causing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 to spike. Some change has apparently overwhelmed the Earth's ability to regulate atmospheric CO2 at historical levels.
(https://climate.nasa.gov/rails/active_storage/blobs/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaHBBK2xrQWc9PSIsImV4cCI6bnVsbCwicHVyIjoiYmxvYl9pZCJ9fQ==--36e66c856d97392a97346c0d0735e3abd7ed1d87/co2-graph-083122_scaled_scrunched.jpg?disposition=inline)
Yes deserts are hot, and it has to do with lack of water. And they are getting hotter than they have ever been. But places with plenty of water are also breaking temperature records. The surface ocean temperature off Florida exceeded 101 degrees recently. There is plenty of water there.
btw, a greenhouse doesn't stop plants from drying out. You still have to water the plants in a greenhouse. A greenhouse's design helps keep the plants inside warm (due to the greenhouse effect), so you can grow plants in cold weather.
You may be right about the need to increase aerosols in the atmosphere to block a portion of the sunlight from reaching the Earth's surface. If we ever have to go that route, I hope they choose something less harmful than smog.
:salute
The thing is, without that graph and all of the news, would you be able to tell there was any difference going on in the atmosphere? I don't think many people would bat an eye if they didn't have it shown in their face all of time as something to fear. That being said, I still don't think green house gasses are what is heating the earth. Inside a greenhouse, it's much smaller and doesn't have near as my variables as the earth. The earth is freaking huge. It's not C02 and mouth breathers making the world hotter. Those compounds rise, break down, and mix with water and other compounds in a cycle and repeat. A greenhouse does not have an atmosphere for these greenhouses to rise. it traps them before they can break down, thus trapping the energy of the compounds trying to escape from the heat not able to escape so easily, it doesn't get hotter in there if you added a C02 hose to it. Remember the sun heats it, and the heat energy doesn't escape very easily either thus keeping it hotter.
Here's another graph I just came across by a scientist. Along with back ground information. Who really knows... but I've also seen this theory that we have far less C02 and Oxygen than ever before for millions of years, I've even heard thay Oxygen levels are very low. But... who even knows. As I say before. When the loaded rich in Miami start selling their homes, then I'll know there is a real problem. Until then, I'd just assume to enjoy life and try to aquire one of those Beach houses. It's just going to be a lot harder to enjoy life if these rejects take away things that make my life better like money, cars, gas engines, planes, AC, heaters, grills, stoves, meat, and who knows what else they will come up with next. because they think it's going to solve some global issue that they have no clue actually will. That's when I and other start to have a problem.
(https://i.ibb.co/VDsp6Qx/di7gtx.jpg)
John graduated from Penn State University in 1972 with a Bachelors in Meteorology. While at Penn State he also enrolled in the Air Force ROTC program and obtained a commission as a 2nd Lieutenant. After 22 years in the Air Force, John retired as an Advanced Weather Officer and attained the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.
While in the Air Force, John obtained his Masters in Meteorology from the Naval Post-Graduate School at Monterey, California. There he specialized in Hurricane and Typhoon modeling. Upon graduating, he was assigned to the Joint Typhoon Warning Center at Guam. During his 3-year Guam assignment he issued more than 500 storm warnings for 100 tropical cyclones -- including the world's largest known tropical cyclone -- Typhoon Tip. For recognition of his forecasting and research achievements, he was awarded the Air Force 1979 Forecaster of the Year Award.
After retiring from the Air Force he became a Certified Consulting Meteorologist (CCM) and was board certified by the American Meteorological Society. He also works on a variety of meteorological and climate projects by designing computer programs and videos.
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All of them in every legit world org? All AI? All major non-denominational accredited colleges? The military? Insurance agencies? They are all agreeing on the facts of this.
For some, when they see that all that is left to deny climate change are fringe, extreme, and unsupported sources (by peer science and education) is enough for them to come up for air and change. Others there going to go down with the Titanic saying "its not sinking" to their last breath. Some folks live so deep in the world of conspiracy theories there is no pulling them out.
Please Be Advised: a new substantial Republican effort (House Republicans) has been announced to combat climate change. They now accept that there is global warming after years of denial. What is cool is they also offered a substantive method to begin to reverse it. :aok
https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html (https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html)
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Every time you exhale you emit CO2. If you can still read this, you are not that serious about cutting down on it.
:rofl
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Every time you exhale you emit CO2. If you can still read this, you are not that serious about cutting down on it.
When a highly polarized group starts to come up for air and see objective reality and are willing to act on it they should be supported not ridiculed.
Small steps. Small steps. :old:
EDIT: It's not their fault. They have been told for years and years global warming is false by Big Oil funded media sources and politicians.
Lead Republican politicians are now saying this:
https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html (https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html)
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White roofs
https://www.fastcompany.com/1790991/painting-your-roof-white-doesnt-work
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If we get rid of the federal flood and crop insurance programs and turn them over to the private insurance industry as well as shifting FEMA expenses to the states that would open a few eyes.
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This is the best site for global warming. https://wattsupwiththat.com/
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My pleasure, DS.
I also agree with you, the Earth needs greenhouse gases to remain livable. Without them, the Earth would be much cooler. They are a good thing with the right balance. The Earth's Carbon Cycle has kept the C02 concentration in the atmosphere under 300ppm for the last 800,000 years. But something, in the last couple hundred years or so, has been causing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 to spike. Some change has apparently overwhelmed the Earth's ability to regulate atmospheric CO2 at historical levels.
800,000 years haha best place to start that, because if you go further back in time the average rises up to parts 1000 per million... Soo.... I love science.
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Stop farting now and quietly explode please...there's your fix
Some want to get rid of steaks in the name of climate control...
Best bogeyman ever!
Eagler
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800,000 years haha best place to start that, because if you go further back in time the average rises up to parts 1000 per million... Soo.... I love science.
I think the 800,000 years is from the fact they determined CO2 levels by analyzing the composition of air trapped in ice cores from Antarctica, and the cores only go back that far.
Not sure how Violator's scientist's graph determined CO2 levels hundreds of millions of years ago, but I assume there is a method to make reasonable estimates.
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Stop farting now and quietly explode please...there's your fix
Some want to get rid of steaks in the name of climate control...
Best bogeyman ever!
Eagler
Ban Farming! :banana:
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You probably mean ranching ... while attempting to make light. :old:
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I don't think any rational person would deny that the climate changes. That's common sense.
The big lie with all of these goofballs is that they are trying to tell us that the warming period we've had is dangerous. It's just the opposite. The warming period we've had has been beneficial.
The morons lap it up. The world's going to end in 5 years!
Meanwhile we have the highest food production in history. More people are alive than ever before in history.
Storms are not worse, floods are not worse, drought is not worse. Nothing is worse.
Let the globe cool a little bit and things will get bad.
The funny thing is that all of the fixes for the global warming are what is going to end up killing everybody.
Ban farming, ban The most efficient means of energy production and replace it with something that actually does a lot more harm to the Earth.
It's so funny that people are so dumb.
The climate is changing so we must kill ourselves so we can save the Earth.
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Some really nice willful ignorance in this thread. Didn’t realize AH had so many desktop scientists.
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Sounds like it's pretty biased towards one position...surely it's not definitely not the sun though.
Gotta go back to the stone ages to save the planet! PROGRESS at it's finest. :D
Ozone layer holds sun heat in, has nothing to do with particles. :)
I will refer back to aerosol bans that somewhat fixed it.
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If one has no details to back up denial, its just lazy words. :)
The stone-age was volcanoes, which was a pollution. Its 2023. We replaced volcanoes with industry.
“ his 1902 article attributes to Svante Arrhenius a theory that coal combustion could eventually lead to human extinction. This 1912 article, earlier published in Popular Mechanics, succinctly describes the greenhouse effect, describing how burning coal creates carbon dioxide that causes climate change.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science#:~:text=This%201902%20article%20attributes%20to,dioxide%20that%20causes%20climate%20change.
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People use car exhaust in a garage to commit suicide. Earths garage is the atmosphere.
Must be the fraction of Native American in me.
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If one has no details to back up denial, its just lazy words. :)
The stone-age was volcanoes, which was a pollution. Its 2023. We replaced volcanoes with industry.
“ his 1902 article attributes to Svante Arrhenius a theory that coal combustion could eventually lead to human extinction. This 1912 article, earlier published in Popular Mechanics, succinctly describes the greenhouse effect, describing how burning coal creates carbon dioxide that causes climate change.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science#:~:text=This%201902%20article%20attributes%20to,dioxide%20that%20causes%20climate%20change.
You add industry and vehicle exhaust to volcanoes.
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People use car exhaust in a garage to commit suicide. Earths garage is the atmosphere.
Must be the fraction of Native American in me.
The benefits of modern technology far, far outweigh any negative effects.
No one that I know of is pro pollution. But this thread is about Global Warming.
The United Nations website lists the dangers of "climate change". Note - they specifically say climate "change", not warming. So I guess we need to stop changes in the climate.
They lister these dangers of climate change
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science/causes-effects-climate-change
Hotter temperatures.
As greenhouse gas concentrations rise, so does the global surface temperature. ...
More severe storms. ...
Increased drought. ...
A warming, rising ocean. ...
Loss of species. ...
Not enough food. ...
More health risks. ...
Poverty and displacement.
All of these things are either irrelevant or are just not even true.
Storms are not worse - this is a fact.
Food production is greater than any time in our history - because of a warming climate. Cooling means less food poduction
loss of species - this is normal. You can look up - more than 99% of all species that have ever lived have gone extinct. It's normal and has not caused any harm to earth or humans.
When most of earth was a tropical zone, MORE life flourished - on land AND in the warmer oceans
The oceans are not rising to any degree that effects any significant amount of the population. People are not being displaced by rising oceans.
More health risks - more people are alive and thriving than any time in history. People are living LONGER
The proposed solutions to these "problems" are to restrict farming (loss of food), ban oil and gas ( people's livelihoods and health), ban air conditioners, and much more. Tax us more.
They want to restrict and ban the very things that have made us thrive and live longer. They want to kill people off and make people live in MORE misery with their policies - and STILL the climate is going to change.
The climate will get warmer and the climate will get cooler. Just as it always has. Species will go extinct and new ones will come into existence - normal.
When the climate gets cooler is when we are in real trouble - as has happened before
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Nonsense
You just find it more convenient to deny science, what you posted is opinion, and inserted opinion.
Reality is rough fir some.
Gases from volcanoes and debris from a asteroid caused dinosaurs to go extinct. Acidic oceans from CD is bleaching coral reefs. Most animals today go extinct by humans taking their habitats and pollution. You cannot eat some seafood due to human polluted waters. An entire Great Lake lost all fish due to pollution. When the lake was cleaned healthy seafood returned.
The list is endless. Deniers stance is limited to bending reality.
Eat too much seafood and you can get build up of mercury, into poisoning.
Fact: a person who constantly drinks plastic bittled water consumes 1 credit card worth of plastic per year.
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Forest fires and volcanoes make the air unbreathable. Yet here we are.
Whichever side you're on in the climate 'debate', the answer is nuclear power.
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Nonsense
You just find it more convenient to deny science, what you posted is opinion, and inserted opinion.
Reality is rough fir some.
What part of what I wrote is not true?
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Ozone layer holds sun heat in, has nothing to do with particles. :)
I will refer back to aerosol bans that somewhat fixed it.
It actually doesn't. The Ozone and atmospher actually block a lot of the suns energy gamma rays back into space, then the rays hit clouds and other compounds in the atmosphere and block back into space. It's why when a cloud covers and the sun dims, it feels slightly cooler, or when you use an umbrella to block the sun on the beach so it's not directly hitting you. That makes the shade under it slightly cooler. Gamma rays actually lose energy eventually. So generally they bounce off things and go up back into the cool atmosphere and cool. Some objects obsorb heat more than others. You notice that the other hemisphere is colder and in winter. Thats because it takes the suns rays further to get to that side of the world further from the sun. It changes the seasons and weather patterns. It's incredible how that works.
In a green house, the glass reflects heat, but it also goes thru the glass and then doesn't have enough energy to escape. Heat is energy. The sun brings heat energy and light. Particles speed up from heat. Its what creates life. By night time, the suns rays lose energy and it cools off. At night time, infrared heat from the earth warms the area. On a cloudy night, it will actually be hotter because it's trapping the earrhs own heat. Its why deserts are super cold at night. The heat just rises back into space, loses energy and cools. If anything, there may be an increase in C02 due to the earth being closer to the sun in a cycle and creating more energy from plants and animals, thus making it a little hotter. That has been my theory from the start. In tern, a bunch of C02 and water vapor in the atmosphere created from this would actually be the earths balancing mechanism to cool it from being closer to the sun. In anycase, the only thing that could make the entire earth warmer is being closer to the sun in a cycle.
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This is the best site for global warming. https://wattsupwiththat.com/
How to Spot Fake News
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/how-to-spot-fake-news/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/how-to-spot-fake-news/)
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Nonsense
Don't be so negative Animal. I totally agreed with -gg- right up to this part:
I don't think...
:rofl
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You probably mean ranching ... while attempting to make light. :old:
Farm, Ranch... Potatoe Potato
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Farm, Ranch... Potatoe Potato
Completely identical. Meh. :cool:
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All ranches are farms, and the earth has been much warmer than it is now many times before. That is all.
Close 'er down Skuzz.
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A farm is not the same as a ranch, but both are targets for severe restrictions in the name of climate change.
Canada, with other nations, is already implementing fertilizer restrictions to the point that a lot of farms will not be able to produce crops or maintain livestock.
Fertilizer bans will affect crops and livestock.
These people are shutting down farms and ranches in the name of climate change. I guess humans need to starve, go broke and suffer so the planet can live.
The only threat from global warming is coming from the "cure".
Science my ass.
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Fertilizer is a pollutant.
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<SNIP>
Close 'er down Skuzz.
Didn’t you get the memo?
He’s been gone so long I think it’s safe to say I like mustard as a condiment and not have him give me grief over it.
I always liked it as a burn medicine though. Works wonders too.
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The planes of the lost squadron were 270 feet below the ice in 1992.
The same planes now have at least 30 more feet on top of them now.
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Did the consensus from the scientist ever state what the correct temperature for the Earth is supposed to be and maintained at?
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Did the consensus from the scientist ever state what the correct temperature for the Earth is supposed to be and maintained at?
Temperature? Don’t take this as an insult but more a simple statement of fact. You’re an absolute imbecile, repeating sounds that come in through your ears that come straight out of your mouth with no processing in between at all. Your only criteria is the source of the sounds in the first place.
I’ve seen apes in Artis zoo with more faculty that you have. Have a nice day!
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Temperature? Don’t take this as an insult but more a simple statement of fact. You’re an absolute imbecile, repeating sounds that come in through your ears that come straight out of your mouth with no processing in between at all. Your only criteria is the source of the sounds in the first place.
I’ve seen apes in Artis zoo with more faculty that you have. Have a nice day!
Yep. Basically a bot. Like all political yakkers, emotionally invested in a political brand - cognitive dissonance - loss of critical thinking ability. Can’t offer an opinion on any issue without first knowing what their team’s position is.
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For some, when they see that all that is left to deny climate change are fringe, extreme, and unsupported sources (by peer science and education) is enough for them to come up for air and change. Others there going to go down with the Titanic saying "its not sinking" to their last breath. Some folks live so deep in the world of conspiracy theories there is no pulling them out.
Please Be Advised: a new substantial Republican effort (House Republicans) has been announced to combat climate change. They now accept that there is global warming after years of denial. What is cool is they also offered a substantive method to begin to reverse it. :aok
https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html (https://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trees-to-combat-climate-change-but-will-it-work-090059359.html)
Too little too late if what they’re saying is true about the current state of the oceans we’re probably past the event horizon. That’s what caused the great dying. Google PTME comparison to present global warming.
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Both sides are jumping on the climate bogeyman as they see that's where the dollars are flowing...let's print another trillion...it should solve climate change and inflation..
You really think our leaders give a gnats arse what happens to us or the planet or just want to stay in power while enriching themselves?
Sure ole Al Gore and his ilk cried all the way to the bank worrying about the air quality in New York and China..
Eagler