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Title: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: THRASH99 on August 26, 2023, 09:36:56 PM
Immediately left the game after login, 0 ENY for either side with Knights @ 44% Bish bases and 5% Rook bases during prime time hours.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: whiteman on August 26, 2023, 09:42:01 PM
Was most definitely eny earlier, rooms were in the 20’s, nits 4-7.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: THRASH99 on August 26, 2023, 10:32:23 PM
Was most definitely eny earlier, rooms were in the 20’s, nits 4-7.
85 total online, country stats showed 0.0 for everyone
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: The Fugitive on August 27, 2023, 08:40:44 AM
For the win the war types last night sucked. Rooks and Knits seemed to spend all night trying to take the last couple of "capturable" bish bases while ignoring each other. At both bases it was a few buffs groups and 6-8 fighters coming in over and over again. Defenders got lots of kills but very few fights. Follow a fighter in as he drops and pop him as he climbs out.                     

For Bish buffs to get out it was tough to get any alt seeing as we had such a small territory left, or you could just run off the map and climb out like some well known "general" did to hit strats.

Certainly not a great night of fun. Also certainly not a great way to keep players interested in the game.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 27, 2023, 09:04:49 AM
The knit/rook double team on bish is getting very tiring and lame. Hell a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't even get Bish to defend the rooks from winning the map because the stupid knits were still fighting the bish when they should have been taking knit fields back on Northco. Just stupid gameplay all around. Can't heard cats I guess, but come on. It's also to be blamed on the morning bish crew ruining the gameplay for the bish for the rest of the day with their strong armed gang squad. Unfortunately Hitech cannot fix this. It's player oriented, but very lame.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on August 27, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
While I don’t fly every day, it is my experience that rarely Knights have the upper hand anywhere. I usually log in at 8pm CST. In, fact its hard for knits to find a fight. When I see this good chance I’ll log.

Usually Bish and Rooks go at it and don’t pay attention to knits. Most common view I have between 8p-10p. Yas just took their own meds and didn’t like it. We can debate this until the world goes flat, but these are my most common experiences, at 8p-10p

Last night population was 120.

This sim changes depending on time/shift groups. Morning, evening, late night. Bigger crowds tend to be late evening/night (7-10). If more flew at the same time numbers would be higher, better wars. We could hit 200. People in other countries and time zones may find this hard to do.

To have an average of 120 nightly in summer is a good sign to me. I’m hoping to see 140-160 in winter.

I’m happy that ch 200 and BBS has cleaned up, a bit. Kudos!. This helps the game all by itself. More numbers will promote positive warring, which will hopefully produce more players.

2 cents

Side note: I’m not sure how I became “a bad guy” , but <shrug>.
Actually we know how that happened, making videos to promote. <blank stare>
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Banshee7 on August 27, 2023, 12:36:10 PM
While I don’t fly every day, it is my experience that rarely Knights have the upper hand anywhere. I usually log in at 8pm CST. In, fact its hard for knits to find a fight. When I see this good chance I’ll log.

Usually Bish and Rooks go at it and don’t pay attention to knits. Most common view I have between 8p-10p. Yas just took their own meds and didn’t like it. We can debate this until the world goes flat, but these are my most common experiences, at 8p-10p

Last night population was 120.


This is typically the case when I’m on, too.  I laugh at these kinds of posts because it all depends on the time and/or the day. Some days the knights are getting pummeled, some days knights are doing the pummeling. Numbers change so quickly that switching sides really doesn’t help that much because fights die so quickly when I’m on. I try to log on for at least an hour every night or so, but if the map looks “boring” I go play farming simulator lol.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on August 27, 2023, 12:56:16 PM
This is typically the case when I’m on, too.  I laugh at these kinds of posts because it all depends on the time and/or the day. Some days the knights are getting pummeled, some days knights are doing the pummeling. Numbers change so quickly that switching sides really doesn’t help that much because fights die so quickly when I’m on. I try to log on for at least an hour every night or so, but if the map looks “boring” I go play farming simulator lol.

You would think people would understand clocks by now but oh well.

I play usually 8-11P est and there is always some combination of the above. If it’s a slower night with few fights I just go pork bases or something by myself until something picks up.

Sometimes the best way to find a fight is to go start one.  :aok
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Banshee7 on August 27, 2023, 01:10:30 PM
You would think people would understand clocks by now but oh well.

I play usually 8-11P est and there is always some combination of the above. If it’s a slower night with few fights I just go pork bases or something by myself until something picks up.

Sometimes the best way to find a fight is to go start one.  :aok

Nothing surprises me anymore...I work in education  :rofl

But I do agree! If the map is boring and I have nothing else to do, I'll up a set of buffs or an M4 with rockets and go bomb a random town or two  :rofl
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 27, 2023, 03:28:01 PM
Don't care what time it is, what 2 are ganging up on the third one, How many players are on line, IT IS NEVER Justified to take 40% of ANY country. Hitech needs to include that into the ENY calculation. Any country that has more than 30% of another country needs ENY adjusted to 20.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: oTRALFZo on August 27, 2023, 03:30:02 PM
Immediately left the game after login, 0 ENY for either side with Knights @ 44% Bish bases and 5% Rook bases during prime time hours.

0 ENY states that there could be an even match up. But last night Bish/Rooks just furballed all day leaving the Knight front with no opposition. I have logged on mornings to see Bish outnumbering both countries put together but the few friendlies that were active were either trying to take Rook bases or on long strat bombing missions.

Cant herd cats in this game. Even the all mighty bish. Have to blame your country mates for not defending as much as the hoarders.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on August 27, 2023, 03:37:23 PM
Have to blame your country mates for not defending as much as the hoarders.

Well, there's one particular player repeating how we must attack, attack and once more attack and take new bases instead of defending existing ones. Last time I was up we did so. And lost two bases against every single one we took.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on August 27, 2023, 06:21:56 PM
Well, there's one particular player repeating how we must attack, attack and once more attack and take new bases instead of defending existing ones. Last time I was up we did so. And lost two bases against every single one we took.

Your side has a boss?
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: RELIC on August 27, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
Don't care what time it is, what 2 are ganging up on the third one, How many players are on line, IT IS NEVER Justified to take 40% of ANY country. Hitech needs to include that into the ENY calculation. Any country that has more than 30% of another country needs ENY adjusted to 20.
Agreed. 
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: oboe on August 27, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
Don't care what time it is, what 2 are ganging up on the third one, How many players are on line, IT IS NEVER Justified to take 40% of ANY country. Hitech needs to include that into the ENY calculation. Any country that has more than 30% of another country needs ENY adjusted to 20.

+1  Good idea
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: alskahawk on August 27, 2023, 08:42:39 PM
 That is the problem with a three country game. People will always look for the easiest path. Sitting in ambush at a spawn sight, hoarding against a weaker 3rd country.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on August 28, 2023, 02:59:44 AM
Your side has a boss?

Yes, my younger cat. He's The Boss. This particular player just has repeated the one and same in buffer so often, so much, that it looks like we spontaneously decided to try his tactics.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on August 28, 2023, 08:02:51 AM
That is the problem with a three country game. People will always look for the easiest path. Sitting in ambush at a spawn sight, hoarding against a weaker 3rd country.

Having only two countries doesn’t stop human nature. No one can COAD that.

Three countries is the only way to leave room for those that don’t play the win the map game.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: icepac on August 28, 2023, 08:34:53 AM
With all this Hording, there must be an amazing amount of war booty.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on August 28, 2023, 08:52:18 AM
Having only two countries doesn’t stop human nature. No one can COAD that.

Three countries is the only way to leave room for those that don’t play the win the map game.

Old subject, like since 1995 (or earlier). The pros outweigh the cons of 3 countries.

As quoted: “…sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you.”
Today will be different than tomorrow. Tomorrow a different losing country will repeat the same issues to benefit them. Rinse and repeat. In 3 days this will repeat.

If HT pushed code to balance human behavior they would not have time for other updates.its whack-a-mole

Since zi’ve been back I’ve yet to see Bish or Rooks with no fights to be had, or “neglected”. Last night was a great common example. Knits took bases barely protected because kicking the bee hive would not break up the fixated war fest between Bish and Rooks. This is more common when I’m on than any other scenario.

Time of day DOES matter, 3 different shifts with 3 different concepts. Late evening is usually cleaning up the mess of earlier concepts.

For 35 years, late evening has always been highest numbers, better wars. Always, like since before dirt was invented. Its called “Prime Time” for a reason.

In 3 days I’ll repeat myself for the 20,001 time.

:)



Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on August 28, 2023, 03:58:24 PM
With all this Hording, there must be an amazing amount of war booty.

My cellar is full, need something?
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: haggerty on August 29, 2023, 03:00:54 AM
people are too worried about base %, just find a fight and enjoy it.  If your team loses a base on the other side, so be it.  Sure, it takes out the conquest/strategic aspect of the game, but atleast you can still have fun on the tactical side.  Even when down 10 to 1 I still try to do what I can and be effective.  You get enough effective people and its easy to defend bases.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: ZE on August 30, 2023, 09:15:05 AM
people are too worried about base %, just find a fight and enjoy it.  If your team loses a base on the other side, so be it.  Sure, it takes out the conquest/strategic aspect of the game, but atleast you can still have fun on the tactical side.  Even when down 10 to 1 I still try to do what I can and be effective.  You get enough effective people and its easy to defend bases.

This is all about the game: JUST HAVE FUN  ... I don't understand why same guys take this "game" so seriously when the "life realities" are so hard for many.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on August 30, 2023, 10:32:56 AM
This is all about the game: JUST HAVE FUN  ... I don't understand why same guys take this "game" so seriously when the "life realities" are so hard for many.

This. For some, the game is bigger than the life and maybe their only life. When I get pissed because of something, I just whine a bit to my own side guys and then log. Or just log without whining. Or whine without logging. And tell my cats how unfair the world is...    :cry   ...    :P
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: nopoop on August 30, 2023, 12:58:31 PM
I whine to myself when I should have known better..
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: The Fugitive on August 30, 2023, 03:24:06 PM
This is all about the game: JUST HAVE FUN  ... I don't understand why same guys take this "game" so seriously when the "life realities" are so hard for many.

Thats where the trouble starts..... what is your kind of fun?

You have some fighter guys flying for Knights. Knits and Rooks are ganging the Bish..... again  :devil Knits have 15 attacking 5 bish while Rooks have 15 attacking 10 bish. So we have the 2 vs 1 scenario, all teams have even numbers and yet the Knit fighter guys dont have a fight. Horde against low numbers on one front, nobody on the other front. Wheres the fun?

I dont think its "taking the game too seriously" its not always being able to find the type of fun you want, due to numbers or the gang mentality that the OP posted about.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 30, 2023, 05:19:08 PM
This is the kind of crap we are talking about...


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Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Shuffler on August 30, 2023, 05:35:56 PM
I was so distraut this morning that I walked out the door of my RV, grabbed my kayak, put it in the river, and went about 5 miles down to Gruene.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Lazerr on August 30, 2023, 06:36:20 PM
This is the kind of crap we are talking about...


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Long flight for fighter support up north.. map problem.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Simon on August 30, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
Long flight for fighter support up north.. map problem.

Definitely. This is one of the worst maps for dogfighting. I immediately log off when I see this or the spiral map.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: guncrasher on August 30, 2023, 10:03:54 PM
did anybody noticed the big furball on the se sector.  for about 2 hours all 3 countries battled it out there.  till a few knights went for the map.  it wasnt easy 1 guy stopped 2 base takes till he went to sleep, I guess.

always many sides to a story.


semp
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
Long flight for fighter support up north.. map problem.

Yup, one of the main issues I see with lack of fights are long distance bases. Especially if a team is hoarding a field and you have to roll more than a sector away to defend it. It makes defending very tough.

This map is not suitable for the current player base. Normally one team is always actionless. As my post pointed out, both teams bringing bish down to 75% with 7 players on the map... even Stepsis tried to roll to defend and he was met with a hoard in Yaks at 25k to gang him. Just ridiculous. This IMO, is a direct result of the morning crew ruining the gameplay for most of the day, causing both sides to claim their bases back and gang bish.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Gooss on September 02, 2023, 02:08:41 PM
I had a great time last night furballing with Bish.  Had no idea Violater was butthurt while landing all his kills.  gp5 was his amazing aggressive self.  I had no idea someone wanted "win a map".  Maybe because I don't care.  Thanks for the fights, bish.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 02, 2023, 05:09:39 PM
I had a great time last night furballing with Bish.  Had no idea Violater was butthurt while landing all his kills.  gp5 was his amazing aggressive self.  I had no idea someone wanted "win a map".  Maybe because I don't care.  Thanks for the fights, bish.

Haha, I would say butthurt is right the word, more like irritated, however as you can see with the smaller map last night the fights were a bit better and had over 120 players on. Though eventually the fight dried up for the bish side so I switched to rooks but was tough as a few sorties was getting ganged. The overall fight last night was pretty fun and definitely much better on a map like Smpizza
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 02, 2023, 06:25:27 PM
Meh!
Pretty standard issue for knits. After 8:30 had one small battle in the southern area, a small base grab up north, and not much fight to be found. Normal Bish and Rook only war.  Again, like always.

Wondered 4 bases deep, only to find one Nik that HOrd me. Then later got HOd again, Typical of that country.

Had a good time, but almost none of it was fighting.
Dodn’t find the fun I sought <shrug>
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 03, 2023, 07:32:45 AM
Yet another warless night for Knits while Bish and Rooks continue their eternal lovefest wars.

I’m convinced they are too skeered  to fight knits.

2nd night in a row, Flew two boring as sin sorties and logged.

Side note:  I rank lowest cuz I don’t fly enough. Usually around 750 rank, now lowest rank is 350?  Thats a problem.

McDonalds will change anything but the meat patty, which is why they suck. They’ll put anything on it to make it better, but refuse to fix their main problem. The patty.

We want the game to grow while refusing to change ways. No change = no change.

I think map size has nothing to do with it. Yall do the same thing no matter the size.

I’d rather have 2 countries piling on us over no fight at all.

I think its fear of losing rank status cause they might have their butts handed to them. they might have to do something besides HOs  :)
<runs>

Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on September 03, 2023, 08:41:19 AM
It’s all relative to your time zone. We were attacking nits the whole time I was on last night.

People really need to just let this go.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 03, 2023, 08:54:21 AM
It’s all relative to your time zone. We were attacking nits the whole time I was on last night.

People really need to just let this go.

Ya I got on a little late 8:30p CST.
I’ll check other times, but that’s all I ever see.

I flew across the entire arena without one fight, HQ guns got me lol.

I’ll have to find that illusive time. :)

I’ll have lettuce, tomato, and bacon on it. If not, I’m taking my Cheetos and goin home.

Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: popeye on September 03, 2023, 10:07:19 AM
8am EDT.  You'll usually find plenty of fights in Knitland.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 03, 2023, 01:39:13 PM
Yet another warless night for Knits while Bish and Rooks continue their eternal lovefest wars.

I’m convinced they are too skeered  to fight knits.

2nd night in a row, Flew two boring as sin sorties and logged.

Side note:  I rank lowest cuz I don’t fly enough. Usually around 750 rank, now lowest rank is 350?  Thats a problem.

McDonalds will change anything but the meat patty, which is why they suck. They’ll put anything on it to make it better, but refuse to fix their main problem. The patty.

We want the game to grow while refusing to change ways. No change = no change.

I think map size has nothing to do with it. Yall do the same thing no matter the size.

I’d rather have 2 countries piling on us over no fight at all.

I think its fear of losing rank status cause they might have their butts handed to them. they might have to do something besides HOs  :)
<runs>

I've too, noticed the lack of fights for the knits. I believe it's because most of the knits are good fighters and they can be tough to fight. Idk, just a theory, though it does seem like Rooks try to roll bish as much as possible. I've had to switch bish most of the time because they are always being ganged by both sides.

The map does matter. Smaller maps engineer bigger fights, but a lot of it has to do with base distance. It also helps if all teams can engage either other from a closer distance. Long distances really kill fights.

Idk about rank, tbh, most just fly timidly because they want to stay alive. Rank is pretty easy to be Top 10 If you try. Heck I pulled #1 fighter after Friday after going 7 deaths and 2 lands.

Here's the thing about HOs, you have to expect it every time and do more to dodge it. You can't ever expect a cold merge, or even a 2 O'clock cold pass. Especially from a higher angle. You see even if I hadn't taken that shot the other night. I was still faster and would have emmilman over the top and got your 6. You it wouldn't have worked out for you anyway haha. But I also thought were BAR and wanted sweet revenge. Always roll those ailerons and scissors leading up the pass, this will make it very tough to hit you in the HO. Never fly straight and never expect them not to HO.

Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 03, 2023, 03:07:26 PM
I've too, noticed the lack of fights for the knits. I believe it's because most of the knits are good fighters and they can be tough to fight. Idk, just a theory, though it does seem like Rooks try to roll bish as much as possible. I've had to switch bish most of the time because they are always being ganged by both sides.

The map does matter. Smaller maps engineer bigger fights, but a lot of it has to do with base distance. It also helps if all teams can engage either other from a closer distance. Long distances really kill fights.

Idk about rank, tbh, most just fly timidly because they want to stay alive. Rank is pretty easy to be Top 10 If you try. Heck I pulled #1 fighter after Friday after going 7 deaths and 2 lands.

Here's the thing about HOs, you have to expect it every time and do more to dodge it. You can't ever expect a cold merge, or even a 2 O'clock cold pass. Especially from a higher angle. You see even if I hadn't taken that shot the other night. I was still faster and would have emmilman over the top and got your 6. You it wouldn't have worked out for you anyway haha. But I also thought were BAR and wanted sweet revenge. Always roll those ailerons and scissors leading up the pass, this will make it very tough to hit you in the HO. Never fly straight and never expect them not to HO.

All true enough and known.

Ya, I would have made it to you, but would have had to put my nose down after. I was after before entering the clouds, lost ya. So when you came charging out I was not prepared, surprise!!

Seriously i think you got s head shot on the first round. It just went black. Lol didn’t even see the muzzle flash.

I roll a lot. Might even be a trade mark. HA!
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on September 03, 2023, 03:37:09 PM
I've too, noticed the lack of fights for the knits. I believe it's because most of the knits are good fighters and they can be tough to fight.

I'm the exception that proves the rule.     :joystick:


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Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 03, 2023, 10:03:16 PM
I've too, noticed the lack of fights for the knits. I believe it's because most of the knits are good fighters and they can be tough to fight.

I'm not being a dweeb, but I think there is some truth to that. Neither B or R have a great time with us with equal force. Only way they beat us down is being way outnumbered. They have a rough time taking bases from us that are protected, even with hordes. Again, went into Rook Nation, first 4 fights were instant headons,... that's fear. :)
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: The Fugitive on September 03, 2023, 10:22:21 PM
I'm not being a dweeb, but I think there is some truth to that. Neither B or R have a great time with us with equal force. Only way they beat us down is being way outnumbered. They have a rough time taking bases from us that are protected, even with hordes. Again, went into Rook Nation, first 4 fights were instant headons,... that's fear. :)

I fly for Bish as that is where my squad flies. I hate flying against the Rooks as MOST of them feel the need to come in at 20K, far too many "pickers". The Knits are a fun fight unless you run into a horde of Yaks.

Las tnight the Rooks were pushing for one of our bases on the lower east coast of "Crater" map and after a hard fought defense they gave up and moved to attack the Knits. Animal. I thing you logged too soon.

Unfortunately I think the game has turned toward a game where points, or surviving has become the be all of the game. The only reason I look to survive is so I dont have to fly 7 minutes to get back to the fight. We have lost those players that play the game to its fullest. Years ago a squad vs squad battle over a single base could last a whole night of flying. These days if two players show up to defend a base the other team moves to a totaly different front to try for an easyer target. Its really sad.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Animl-AW on September 03, 2023, 11:58:32 PM
I fly for Bish as that is where my squad flies. I hate flying against the Rooks as MOST of them feel the need to come in at 20K, far too many "pickers". The Knits are a fun fight unless you run into a horde of Yaks.

Las tnight the Rooks were pushing for one of our bases on the lower east coast of "Crater" map and after a hard fought defense they gave up and moved to attack the Knits. Animal. I thing you logged too soon.

Unfortunately I think the game has turned toward a game where points, or surviving has become the be all of the game. The only reason I look to survive is so I dont have to fly 7 minutes to get back to the fight. We have lost those players that play the game to its fullest. Years ago a squad vs squad battle over a single base could last a whole night of flying. These days if two players show up to defend a base the other team moves to a totaly different front to try for an easyer target. Its really sad.

Seems after 10p CST Knits finally start to get fights, as a forming pattern. But again tonight, we had to go in a kick a bee hive to get one. First 4 fights I got HOed...Ya,.. can't pay for a fight, might as well log.

I agree, it doesn't take all that much to deter some. I think low numbers just makes that stand out more.

As in the old days as well. We have age, concept and skill differences. I'm curious the age and location of daytime shift.

We had a similar point system in AW, many of us never cared. I remember taking a shot and running up to #1 pilot for like 2-3 days. I didn't have as much fun as just living the sim/game. One will play different depending on the path they choose.

I like when someone thinks dragging me into base guns will deter me and make me flip around,.....nope. Cause it's just fun. I'm weird like that. If I get a kill and have a clear ride home, I might even land it, usually it's who's next! until I die. I die,... a lot. I still want to fly perked planes so it's good to accumulate some points.

I ran a well disciplined squad in AW and the first days of AH, so I know how cool it is to do all that stuff. That can be an immersion all by itself. AZ and CZ were like Bish and Rooks at times, BZ waiting for a fight. So I'd take the squad, who ever was on, 3-17s surrounded by 5-51s (usually heavy) and 5-38s and go high right over their war and destroy a deep base, 51s and 38s would take on everyone below us and/or what was left standing. That usually broke up that war real quick. Now it seems they'll just pick at the edges waiting for an invitation.

I think a point system is good, I think squad ops and goals are good, but some will always become fixated with the points.
"I got more points because of the ACM I just learned" Kewl
"I got more points by HOing everyone" wait, what?
"I survived because I won't fight" <blank stare>

I think point mongers can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. They just scratch the surface of the sim/game. Some snivel a lot.

I think scenarios tend to get peeps more in tune. We supposedly have one coming up next month. I hope it's a packed house.







Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: THRASH99 on September 05, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Just to show again clearly but 1 small fight between knit & rook while both continue to pounce on 3rd country during "PRIME TIME HOURS". Barely even worth fighting unless ENY kicks in so hard that everyone else ought to be in WW1 or spit 1 aircraft fighting against bish 262s. Would love to see how long other country would continue fighting..

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Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Bopgun on September 05, 2023, 07:16:58 PM
Ghee it’s almost like teams should be kept even at all times of day.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: RotBaron on September 05, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
A Joker complaining about hoarding.
I have now seen everything in game, I think  :headscratch:
 :P
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: waystin2 on September 06, 2023, 11:22:54 AM
A Joker complaining about hoarding.

  :aok  :rofl
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 06, 2023, 04:35:35 PM
A Joker complaining about hoarding.
I have now seen everything in game, I think  :headscratch:
 :P

That is not "hoarding", that is beating down an opponent. In the past I have seen Skuzzy come online and reset the map, because of stupid game play like that. I suspect Hitech, is occupied and doesn't have time to monitor the arena 24/7.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on September 07, 2023, 02:35:30 AM
I'm pretty sure if Luftwaffe had map reset button, they used it during last years of WW2.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: oTRALFZo on September 07, 2023, 04:29:52 AM
That is not "hoarding", that is beating down an opponent. In the past I have seen Skuzzy come online and reset the map, because of stupid game play like that. I suspect Hitech, is occupied and doesn't have time to monitor the arena 24/7.

Kenai.. I do love you brother however this is just warped.
IF I get a chance to play in the AM hours, its always been the same story. Bish always outnumber the 2 other countries put together AND they usually attack each at once. Even with ENY, it is futile when they spawn like roaches. Yes its a beatdown but by numbers, not by skill.

I love the theories that all this is a planned, coordinated attack between 2 countries against 1. IF you ever get a chance to switch, you will see you can not herd cats. Its all about maps, map placement and mood of each player. That recent map has those Vbases that GVers LOVE to play. Baltic ( I think) has fighter town, which everyone loves to furball thus leaving most bases unattended or people less interested in what the map status is like.  Squad Ops is another consideration. The country that has the more active squad members is usually the one that will defend and attack more.

Why would HT reset the map for this? it is my notion each country has uncapturable bases so no matter what the scenario is, you always have a base to up. If your going to reset the map for country hoarding, why not make each map uncapturable after 20%?

You have choices here. You can switch sides or just do what most knights are doing and not worry about the map. There will always be a new one.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Eagler on September 07, 2023, 06:16:22 AM
Everyone sign up for auto country assign to balance numbers..

*crickets*

Or let's keep complaining about lopsided numbers...whining continues..

Eagler
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: popeye on September 07, 2023, 08:26:28 AM
Horde, hordes, horded, hording.    :old:
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on September 07, 2023, 08:30:54 AM
Kenai.. I do love you brother however this is just warped.
IF I get a chance to play in the AM hours, its always been the same story. Bish always outnumber the 2 other countries put together AND they usually attack each at once. Even with ENY, it is futile when they spawn like roaches. Yes its a beatdown but by numbers, not by skill.

I love the theories that all this is a planned, coordinated attack between 2 countries against 1. IF you ever get a chance to switch, you will see you can not herd cats. Its all about maps, map placement and mood of each player. That recent map has those Vbases that GVers LOVE to play. Baltic ( I think) has fighter town, which everyone loves to furball thus leaving most bases unattended or people less interested in what the map status is like.  Squad Ops is another consideration. The country that has the more active squad members is usually the one that will defend and attack more.

Why would HT reset the map for this? it is my notion each country has uncapturable bases so no matter what the scenario is, you always have a base to up. If your going to reset the map for country hoarding, why not make each map uncapturable after 20%?

You have choices here. You can switch sides or just do what most knights are doing and not worry about the map. There will always be a new one.

It’s all relative but nobody cares. Solid post oTRALFZo :x
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 07, 2023, 08:31:02 AM
I think there is an argument to be made right now that no bases should be capturable once a team only has 60% fields or so. I'm not sure what it's at now. Unfortunately AM bish hoard is ruining the gameplay generally for the rest of day. If they don't win in the AM, it's the other teams clawing back their bases from bish for the rest of the day essentially double teaming them.

I think If most of the big maps where removed, you'd see a lot better gameplay, because the bish would win in the AM, log, and create a new start to a better map and allow the afternoon crowd to have a fair start leaving better fights during prime time.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Dadtallica on September 07, 2023, 08:40:46 AM
You need mixed maps. Can’t just have one size fits all because it never does. I don’t like furballing and tend to play less on smaller maps. The game is not only about air to air combat. Some people like to do other things.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Banshee7 on September 07, 2023, 09:18:46 AM
You need mixed maps. Can’t just have one size fits all because it never does. I don’t like furballing and tend to play less on smaller maps. The game is not only about air to air combat. Some people like to do other things.

You can do other things on small maps, too.  No one says you have to up at the base where the furball is taking place.  The only person in control of your sorties is you.

Edit:  I think that sounds rude, and I'm really not trying to be.  I'm simply stating that there's always options.  When I log on, I decide how I'm going to make my own fun.  I mix it up to keep the game interesting to me. 
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: Shuffler on September 07, 2023, 10:22:02 AM
I have been using the new Submarine available le to those with 50,000 or more perks.
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 07, 2023, 11:47:41 AM
Kenai.. I do love you brother however this is just warped.
IF I get a chance to play in the AM hours, its always been the same story. Bish always outnumber the 2 other countries put together AND they usually attack each at once. Even with ENY, it is futile when they spawn like roaches. Yes its a beatdown but by numbers, not by skill.

I love the theories that all this is a planned, coordinated attack between 2 countries against 1. IF you ever get a chance to switch, you will see you can not herd cats. Its all about maps, map placement and mood of each player. That recent map has those Vbases that GVers LOVE to play. Baltic ( I think) has fighter town, which everyone loves to furball thus leaving most bases unattended or people less interested in what the map status is like.  Squad Ops is another consideration. The country that has the more active squad members is usually the one that will defend and attack more.

Why would HT reset the map for this? it is my notion each country has uncapturable bases so no matter what the scenario is, you always have a base to up. If your going to reset the map for country hoarding, why not make each map uncapturable after 20%?

You have choices here. You can switch sides or just do what most knights are doing and not worry about the map. There will always be a new one.

Tralfz, I hear you. More often than not, in the mornings when I see that, I log on with my grandson's account, and either fly knit or rook. However I must tell you I don't get to play mornings very often.

My post was directed at ALL 3 countries. Bish do it, Rooks do it, and Knits do it, no one is innocent. My point was that there is NEVER a justification for one country to take another country down to 50%, period. It is poor sportsmanship at the least, and detrimental to the game at the worst.

As to resetting the map, I wouldn't worry about it, Hitech has enough on his plate without worrying about this.  :salute
Title: Re: 2v1 Map Hoarding
Post by: GasTeddy on September 07, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
I have been using the new Submarine available le to those with 50,000 or more perks.

Sssh, it's a secret..!     :bolt:


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