AH subscribers understand the pain of watching someone take control of the CV and sending it to die over and over with zero benefit.
Worried that using a fleet as a “show of force” will be a tempting target.
Remove the word tempting and replace it with dumbest thing you could think of. It wouldn't be dumb enough.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: The Fugitive on October 08, 2023, 09:16:41 PM
My carrier, the USS Eisenhower, was many times used as a show of force. The carrier is no where as defenceless as the carriers in the game are. US carriers are covered by many layers of defense. Used as a show of force is more than just a carrier. many support ships are also along for the trip.
The stupidity to assume a carrier group is the same as a ficaled group of game players is just ludacris.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Dadtallica on October 09, 2023, 01:02:37 AM
Rooks had a total of 48 cvs tonight on the chicken tender map and we used ZERO!
I am all for strategic use of task groups and I know the value of timing your CV plane upping. However, this practice of hoarding and hiding is boring. “But Dad, if we use it someone might kill it and then use it too!” Oh the horror! They respawn, almost everyone knows where they go, crunch all you want, HT makes more… got it? Just play already!
Also, the few who MUST control boats need to let it go a bit ok… seriously?
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 09, 2023, 07:11:58 AM
Not sure what the defense is for hypersonic missiles these days but I hope our fleet doesn't have to try to figure it out...
Sadly I think a carrier is the ultimate target/prize for our enemies
And I don't think we should be the world's police force but it more like mafia protection...use our dollars, behave and listen to us and we like you or don't and we are your worst enemy
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Animl-AW on October 09, 2023, 07:33:31 AM
Ya mean like the fleet that fired on Syria? Selective fake concern.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: icepac on October 09, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
My dad used to teach at the naval war college and I discussed it with him.
It’s not like he’s a carrier warfare noob with 126 carrier launched missions.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: SIK1 on October 09, 2023, 10:26:27 AM
Not sure the Med is any more dangerous than the Persian Gulf.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: GasTeddy on October 09, 2023, 12:39:21 PM
Not sure the Med is any more dangerous than the Persian Gulf.
:cheers:
At the moment I'd say it's safer but let's see how many camel countries follow Hamas example and go berserk. That may change the situation.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Nefarious on October 09, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
The fleet is at risk and complete readiness everywhere it goes.
Russian and Chinese subs are constantly tracking our CVBGs
Ironically, 50.years ago this week my old man was loading nuclear bombs on VA-65 Intruders, pilots were carrying sidearms and the Israelis were doing mock attacks on the 6th fleet off Israel for the Yom Kippur war.
Somethings never change.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Shuffler on October 09, 2023, 03:26:19 PM
Our real carriers have many people on board.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: CptTrips on October 09, 2023, 03:32:59 PM
Doesn't scare me as much as Taiwan Strait.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: icepac on October 09, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
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Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Nefarious on October 10, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
It's pretty laughable that you think any country in the Middle East (other than Israel and maybe not even them) has the capability to breach the defenses of an American carrier battle group.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 15, 2023, 03:23:11 PM
Who would have imagined the USS Cole attack would ever happen before it did?
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Elfie on October 15, 2023, 06:45:11 PM
The U.S.S. Cole was one ship, not an entire CV battle group. Apples to asparagus on this one.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Nefarious on October 15, 2023, 07:26:19 PM
In the 90s fiction book "Nimitz Class" the books carrier "Thomas Jefferson" is nuclear torpedoed by a rogue Submarine captain.
Of course, the US prevents nuclear war by sending in the worlds top agent/Tomcat Pilot to hunt the terrorist captain and kill him.
I don't think we'd be that lucky. Somebody would be turned into a glass parking lot or worse. Thankfully, I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to try it.. But if it does you can credit author Patrick Robinson.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 16, 2023, 06:55:21 AM
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: CptTrips on October 16, 2023, 12:18:14 PM
I just got back from 4 days out at my cabin on some land about 20 miles north of Stephenville Tx. I occasionally get military traffic pass over from Ft Worth out to a training areas out by Brownwood.
All week I was seeing WAY more traffic than I had seen before. Lots of F-16 and groups of 3 C-130 flying very low (~500ft AGL). Helicopters of various types. Not saying anything is up, but it was a notable increase in training tempo. I probably saw more fly overs this last week than I had over the last 5-10 years.
Started to seem like an airshow.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Nefarious on October 16, 2023, 12:52:29 PM
I don't know, Russia and the United States operate in Syria pretty much however they please. So I don't think the world would bat an eye at all if Israel goes into Lebanon or even if the US supports them from the air or sea in that effort.
Yeah, it might be a couple days in the news cycle but overall it's really not much of an escalation all things considered.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 16, 2023, 01:46:19 PM
Depends on what Iran does. If they just talk loudly then I agree, won't amount to more than the last war with Hezbollah. China is watching and waiting for us to commit forces somewhere.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: CptTrips on October 16, 2023, 01:50:01 PM
The U.S.S. Cole was one ship, not an entire CV battle group. Apples to asparagus on this one.
At anchor at what it thought was a friendly port, at a time without an ongoing conflict.
Attacking a CV groups at the height of its alert status with every weapon loaded and ready is a different story.
Anything can be attacked by those who wish to commit suicide, but few things on this Earth are as formidable and a full US CV battle group loaded for bear with it's war paint on.
Love my man Chadd. Ex-Seal. Guys like him see through all the BS. (Currently in disguise as a member of ZZ-Top.)
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Shuffler on October 16, 2023, 03:10:24 PM
I don't know, Russia and the United States operate in Syria pretty much however they please. So I don't think the world would bat an eye at all if Israel goes into Lebanon or even if the US supports them from the air or sea in that effort.
Yeah, it might be a couple days in the news cycle but overall it's really not much of an escalation all things considered.
Would not blame Israel as Lebanon has been attacking them.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: SIM on October 16, 2023, 05:04:55 PM
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Also, imo, they should send the Ronald Reagan to the Black Sea.......
I doubt a USN CV could transit the Bosporus Strait, but the frigate I served on sure made it. We had communist assets trying to harass us the entire time. Our gunmounts had the tubes elevated to the stops and we were forbidden from excersing the mounts. That didnt stop us from having the handling rooms fully stocked with a watch in the handling room and another in the magazine. While there our CO tossed the commie boat a trash bag containg a ships cap. Port and starboard watches were a pain, but that was part of the job. I still have my enlistment contract, when you enlist Uncle Sam owns you lock, stock, and barrel.
Those were good times. I really doubt a CV group has much to worry about beyond a russia nuke strike/sub attack. Theres just not much that can reach that far out to sea.......
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: CptTrips on October 16, 2023, 05:41:48 PM
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 16, 2023, 06:16:49 PM
Oil reserves anyone?
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 16, 2023, 07:11:19 PM
Surprisingly gas prices have been dropping here in Sherman Tx. I saw $2.79 today.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Shuffler on October 17, 2023, 09:23:02 AM
It's been a long time since diesel was cheaper than gasoline.
A few years ago here diesel was cheaper then gas for a little while
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 18, 2023, 08:24:46 AM
When I was young, back before the '73 embargo, diesel was always about a nickel cheaper than gas. $.25/gal for gas and $.20/gal for diesel was typical in Texas.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Shuffler on October 18, 2023, 10:38:51 AM
Diesel takes far less processing to make than gas. It should be cheaper.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 20, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
If we produced more oil prices might eventually reflect that. Maybe when California goes EV only there will be enough for that. ;)
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Meatwad on October 20, 2023, 10:21:57 AM
As long as this country stops sending oil to communist enemy countries
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: RotBaron on October 20, 2023, 09:33:02 PM
It's pretty laughable that you think any country in the Middle East (other than Israel and maybe not even them) has the capability to breach the defenses of an American carrier battle group.
Oh? Do tell, must be high level clearance to be this confident.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 20, 2023, 10:26:38 PM
Oh? Do tell, must be high level clearance to be this confident.
We've learned in the last couple of years that Russia is a paper tiger. We saw in '91 that the US was not. That was over 30 years ago though. We will likely be put to the test again soon.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 21, 2023, 07:45:31 AM
Don't think we have the $$$ for one war that has zero to do with us let alone 3
Don't think we should be the worlds police nor monopoly money bank
Don't think it matters what the majority thinks these days...
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2023, 08:01:56 AM
Hope the US gets their weapons and arms factories restarted up to 100% production, otherwise we will have absolutely nothing left to defend ourselves if we keep "donating" everything to the other side of the planet
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Elfie on October 21, 2023, 02:16:02 PM
Oh? Do tell, must be high level clearance to be this confident.
Better yet, maybe you could explain which group in the eastern Mediterranean you think has the capability to penetrate the defenses of a US carrier battle group.
Israel might be able to considering they have nukes but they are our ally. HAMAS? Hezbollah? Egypt? Syria? Lebanon? None of them have the capability needed. Turkey? Maybe, but they are a NATO member and would face expulsion and an attack from the rest of NATO if they attacked a US fleet.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2023, 04:28:12 PM
Never underestimate terrorists with money and the black market.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: RotBaron on October 21, 2023, 08:50:26 PM
Better yet, maybe you could explain which group in the eastern Mediterranean you think has the capability to penetrate the defenses of a US carrier battle group.
Israel might be able to considering they have nukes but they are our ally. HAMAS? Hezbollah? Egypt? Syria? Lebanon? None of them have the capability needed. Turkey? Maybe, but they are a NATO member and would face expulsion and an attack from the rest of NATO if they attacked a US fleet.
You put forth the assertion, pretty much matter of fact. Not better yet coming from me, I’m not a modern day authority on US military capabilities. I read a lot, of which most are opinion as facts on the subject are hard to come by, for good reason. That’s why I laughed at the Paper Tiger comment re: Russia, best I can tell, they’re fighting a military trained by and infused with plush amounts of Western $. ~300 billion, maybe more in less than two years, all to be used now; meanwhile Russia spends less than ~100 billion/yr, has sustained significantly less casualties (invading!) and hasn’t ceded anything significant beyond “strategic” villages. We know very little as fact as this is major propaganda effort on both sides. Assessment is at best guessing, unless you’re privy to classified info 🤷♂️
Here’s an opinion that provides reason to be concerned about the initial topic: https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1715830800179245244
And a comment outlining how it could happen: https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1715845191603786086
These “Armchair” accounts have more info than I do is all I truly know, aside from being opinion.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 22, 2023, 08:17:57 AM
2nd that RotBaron
We don't know anything but what they want us to know and how they want us to know it
I don't expect the truth anymore really...at least not the 1st go round, maybe the 4th or 5th variant becomes more truthful...
Not sure how anyone can take anything at face value these days with corruption at all levels
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Elfie on October 22, 2023, 09:41:14 AM
You put forth the assertion, pretty much matter of fact. Not better yet coming from me, I’m not a modern day authority on US military capabilities. I read a lot, of which most are opinion as facts on the subject are hard to come by, for good reason. That’s why I laughed at the Paper Tiger comment re: Russia, best I can tell, they’re fighting a military trained by and infused with plush amounts of Western $. ~300 billion, maybe more in less than two years, all to be used now; meanwhile Russia spends less than ~100 billion/yr, has sustained significantly less casualties (invading!) and hasn’t ceded anything significant beyond “strategic” villages. We know very little as fact as this is major propaganda effort on both sides. Assessment is at best guessing, unless you’re privy to classified info 🤷♂️
Here’s an opinion that provides reason to be concerned about the initial topic: https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1715830800179245244
And a comment outlining how it could happen: https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1715845191603786086
These “Armchair” accounts have more info than I do is all I truly know, aside from being opinion.
Significantly less casualties? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
There is no way I can take you seriously after that comment.
AKIron was right, Russia is a paper tiger, their equipment is junk compared to Western equipment.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 22, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
I'd be surprised if more than half of Russia's ICBMs could make it into the air.
We may get to find out.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: RotBaron on October 23, 2023, 09:58:14 AM
There is no way I can take you seriously after that comment.
AKIron was right, Russia is a paper tiger, their equipment is junk compared to Western equipment.
Do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise or just NAFOs reading/watching OSINT account posts as facts?
There’s a good reporter in forward areas with 🇷🇺 soldiers who regularly provides current footage and opinion on what she sees. She’s currently not updating with deaths in her family…
Of course ^ she’s biased if you’re going to reply with that, who isn’t?
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on October 23, 2023, 10:19:25 AM
When violent destructive muderous looting and burning is reported as peaceful protests how can you continue to believe that news source about anything?
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: SIK1 on October 23, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Complacency, and hubris, will bite you in the arnold every time.
It's not the giant you have to watch, but the little guy with a rock.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on October 25, 2023, 09:11:58 AM
Regarding the risk to the fleet. Apart from the thousands of lives, a fleet incapable of defending itself in this middle east environment is pretty much useless.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: icepac on December 04, 2023, 08:22:39 AM
Houthis blurting out coordinates but no hits yet. .
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on December 04, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
It'll only take one and we'll be in it neck deep without an exit plan once again...but many seem to want just that
Eagler
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: hazmatt on December 04, 2023, 11:33:29 AM
When violent destructive muderous looting and burning is reported as peaceful protests how can you continue to believe that news source about anything?
Eagler
Reminds me of the media reporting the "killing of Bin Laden". The news report that had like 6 different versions of what happened until the all agreed on one.
I figured out that it was all BS when I was part of "Operation Restore Hope" providing "humanitarian aid" The planes were leaving the ship with bombs and coming back without them. I guess that's "humanitarian aid" to somebody.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: icepac on February 03, 2024, 06:21:59 PM
Dodged one today.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: AKIron on February 03, 2024, 06:27:08 PM
Iran wants to escalate this and they are capable.
Title: Re: Risking the fleet
Post by: Eagler on February 04, 2024, 06:55:57 AM