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Title: P51D slow??
Post by: wolvrine on November 17, 2023, 11:33:36 PM
    Is it just me or was the P51D reworked to slow speeds?
                It's been about 10 years since I've played aces and it seems to me that the p51 has slower speed now. Darned if I should've left that LA7 behind after 5 mins of tailing me.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Dadtallica on November 17, 2023, 11:56:05 PM
Close to zero planes can catch a 51D under most circumstances; a handful can keep pace. Unless something changed in the last few days.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: CptTrips on November 17, 2023, 11:57:48 PM
    Is it just me or was the P51D reworked to slow speeds?
                It's been about 10 years since I've played aces and it seems to me that the p51 has slower speed now. Darned if I should've left that LA7 behind after 5 mins of tailing me.

What alt?

La7 is fast at low alt.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: SIK1 on November 18, 2023, 10:40:27 AM
All the ones I end up chasing sure seem fast enough.

 :salute
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Softail on November 18, 2023, 09:56:37 PM
Close to zero planes can catch a 51D under most circumstances; a handful can keep pace. Unless something changed in the last few days.

LOL...tell that to YAK3's, 109K4's, 190D's, 152s, Spitfire XIV & XVI, Tempests, F4U1A's and P47M's especially at high alt.   

 
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 18, 2023, 10:15:41 PM
P51 is very fast but feels sluggish when gaining alt and need to be patient regaining alt. Don't want to enter the fight mid alt or low generally. Never want to be under 5k unless going 450+. A few planes can catch the P51 on the deck and a few planes can dive and catch you if higher so you definitely have to be aware.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: TryHard on November 19, 2023, 11:39:26 AM
the P51 is great at retaining energy, not so good at gaining it back especially on the deck any weight shedding you can do greatly helps it.

Try running the P51D with 4 guns and 25% fuel with drop tanks. Ditch the drop tanks when getting into combat, run down the left wing tank first and you have the right wing tank to get you home, also this helps balance the torque from the engine at the top of loops and other low speed situations.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Prayer on November 19, 2023, 10:32:09 PM
I returned not too long ago and had that same thought with the 51D after not being able to run down a 51B with a speed disadvantag but the B was a few K  above. I chatted a bit with the B pilot in private because it did not make sense in my mind at the time, turns out at different alts it is possible. I confirmed it on the AH plane Wiki (google it if you have not seen the site). Definitely a good source to check out
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: GasTeddy on November 20, 2023, 03:17:46 AM
Speed comparison made easy in here. (https://www.hitechcreations.com/component/ahplaneperf/?Itemid=139)
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: yipi on November 20, 2023, 08:56:03 AM
I use the charts but planes are different in how long it takes at level alt to build up to the top speed. Using the chart u would think your gonna be faster but it all depends on how long it takes to build the speed up. The climb chart is the same way some planes climb faster and retain their E better.
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Simon on November 20, 2023, 08:59:52 AM
Speed comparison made easy in here. (https://www.hitechcreations.com/component/ahplaneperf/?Itemid=139)

I did not know this existed.

Wolvrine, welcome back.  :salute
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: swareiam on November 20, 2023, 09:28:47 AM
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=0&p2=42&pw=2&gtype=0)
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Dadtallica on November 20, 2023, 09:36:05 AM
I’m not great at interpreting these charts always. Can I get a quick cliff notes on what we are looking at in the comparison?  :cheers:
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: SIK1 on November 20, 2023, 09:37:27 AM
Acceleration and speed are two different things. Ponies don't have the greatest acceleration, but once you get them going they go real fast. TryHard eluded to it in his earlier post.

If you get a pony slow, and are trying to accelerate away from a LA-7 that's probably not going to work so well for the pony but falls right into the strength of the LA, especially if you are below 10K. Where the LA has the advantage in both climb and top speed.

 :salute
Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: CptTrips on November 20, 2023, 09:38:07 AM
I’m not great at interpreting these charts always. Can I get a quick cliff notes on what we are looking at in the comparison?  :cheers:

That an LA-7 can catch a pony on the deck easily if he has WEP.

Title: Re: P51D slow??
Post by: Dadtallica on November 20, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
Ok got I see the correlation thank you all.