I found this rather disconcerting when I watched the video. Another reason to keep the 1994 Plymouth Voyager :aok
This has been kind of public secret already quite some time. Same with phones if one has internet on whole the time and allow all possible apps to have access to mic, camera, contacts etc.
Another extremely irritating feature in new cars is this driver monitoring. "Beep beep, inattention detected. Beep beep, yawn detected. Beep beep belch detected. Beep beep, 2 hrs driving detected, beep beep pause needed" etc. That's why I love my 2004 Jeep. It does what I tell it to do without disputations.
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Post by: pallero on November 21, 2023, 05:22:59 AM
I think this fits in here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCzU5BF-110
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Post by: Eagler on November 21, 2023, 06:49:22 AM
Alexa, Bixby, etc..
Many have given up their privacy for convenience
Think it boils out to laziness..
Marketing and the government love them..more of these stooges everyday
Eagler
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Post by: AKIron on November 21, 2023, 07:48:49 AM
Millions use Alexa and the like. If it were possible that someone could listen in on me so what? If "they" want to get you "they" will manufacture "evidence".
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Post by: Eagler on November 21, 2023, 08:17:20 AM
Millions use Alexa and the like. If it were possible that someone could listen in on me so what? If "they" want to get you "they" will manufacture "evidence".
Alex would make the manufacturing of such that much easier..
It's definitely for the lazy but hey let's let the gov hear everything said in our houses, echo show could even give them eyes into it..all so I don't have to get off the couch..
It's voluntary now...1984 not so much...headed in that direction more than any other imo
Eagler
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Post by: GasTeddy on November 21, 2023, 08:29:46 AM
Despots have always been trying to find a way to spy their slaves. Nowadays they don't need to even try, as big part of lemmings push all their life into the faecesbooks and other social p*rn platforms just voluntarily.
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Post by: AKIron on November 21, 2023, 09:01:33 AM
What about all those lazy people who drive everywhere instead of walking? Giving up personal information to obtain a license. We now have over 500 million guns under private ownership in this country. Keep them, you'll be okay.
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Post by: Dadtallica on November 21, 2023, 09:05:18 AM
This might be the most ok boomer old news post ever!
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Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2023, 09:48:20 AM
It never ceases to amaze me when someone figures out that "big brother" is already here and does not need to place a surveillance device in your home / car / workplace to monitor you. Hell we already carry one with the cell phone. The alexa is another but even now some TV devices also monitor you and can operate by voice.
I got an alexa dot a while ago as a reward for some purchase I made. I didn't want it to be n the main household area so I stuck it in the bathroom so I could listen to tunes while getting ready for the day or for bed. I never told it through the app what room it was in. Later I had to reset it due to a power outage and the app showed that alexa had figured out it was in the bathroom on it's own.
I routinely turn off location detection and blue tooth on my phone and use a Garmen GPS in the car / truck on trips.
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Post by: AKIron on November 21, 2023, 10:23:23 AM
You can clear the stored recordings for the Amazon echo on hte Amazon servers whenever you want. Of course that means trusting Amazon to do what they say they will. If it gets to the point where the government listens to me on those we have much bigger problems.
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Post by: Meatwad on November 21, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
It never ceases to amaze me when someone figures out that "big brother" is already here and does not need to place a surveillance device in your home / car / workplace to monitor you. Hell we already carry one with the cell phone. The alexa is another but even now some TV devices also monitor you and can operate by voice.
I got an alexa dot a while ago as a reward for some purchase I made. I didn't want it to be n the main household area so I stuck it in the bathroom so I could listen to tunes while getting ready for the day or for bed. I never told it through the app what room it was in. Later I had to reset it due to a power outage and the app showed that alexa had figured out it was in the bathroom on it's own.
I routinely turn off location detection and blue tooth on my phone and use a Garmen GPS in the car / truck on trips.
Some tv manuals specifically state to not say anything sensitive or private around the tv as it can be monitored and recorded
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Post by: Eagler on November 21, 2023, 12:52:29 PM
You can clear the stored recordings for the Amazon echo on hte Amazon servers whenever you want. Of course that means trusting Amazon to do what they say they will. If it gets to the point where the government listens to me on those we have much bigger problems.
My guess is that they already are...
Doesn't take a real person ...AI handles it all and reports what it has been programmed to flag..
Like my ip cameras, I don't think they are not hacked so we won't be doing anything in view of them we don't care if the world sees..
My cousin laughed at our Garmin the other day..it does look quite antiquated
Eagler
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: icepac on November 21, 2023, 01:16:14 PM
Some cars take this a step further and use a camera that looks at your face to determine your mood or whether you are nodding off. I seem to remember that some Lexus cars as far back as when Lexus introduced the park assist could repossess themselves in Japan.
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Post by: Shuffler on November 21, 2023, 03:30:37 PM
One of my biggest laughs.... people post a pic of their vehicle and blot out the plates. This same vehicle they drive all over creation in. One can get a lot of information about you and your family from a license plate, but most don't have access to do so.
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Post by: potsNpans on November 21, 2023, 04:26:43 PM
Unplugged dot com, maybe it's a little more private.
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Post by: Animl-AW on November 21, 2023, 04:49:19 PM
Just FYI.
A speaker is the same as a microphone, it's just used in reverse, it can be reversed and used as a microphone.
Point being,... when landline phones were the thing,... all one had to do is reverse 2 wires in your connection,... maybe even in the cable trunk system far away,... and the hearing piece n your phone became a microphone, whether it was hung up or not,... that line is always live. Instead of listening to that phone you then connect those same wires at the trunk into a recorder. So,.. it's manually done, but same,... been done for decades.
Mic diaphragm and speaker cone, magnet, same thing.
In the 90s baby monitors and wireless phones could be monitored very easily with a police scanner that scan all freqs, very well and very fast, 5 seconds. AND they are so strong of output you pick up the entire house. This was corrected in the late 90s by removing those frequencies from scanners and not allowed on public devices. They may have also encrypted baby monitors.
This is nothing new, it's just a different way.
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Post by: Meatwad on November 21, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
Baby monitors and cordless phones were at 46 and 49 mhz. Scanners did NOT remove those frequencies from use. They were abandoned when everyone was reselling the devices that broadcast at 900mhz. Even then they were still unencrypted audio. The original scanners had those frequency blocks open, but that specific 900 mhz segment was later removed from future devices. You could still mod the scanner to get them until the audio became encrypted then digital, eventually moving into the 2.4 ghz bands. The first cell phones were the same way, unencrypted analog audio at 850 - 900 mhz or so. If you were close to the tower, you could hear everything and everyone. That also ended when cell phones changed to a digital signal. The kids walkie talkies you got at the dollar store, same thing, they talked back at 46 or 49 mhz.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Lazerr on November 21, 2023, 08:00:20 PM
The government can hear everything said in my household. Nothing to hide. Doesn't this correlate more to focusing on advertising, and nothing more?
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: mechanic on November 21, 2023, 11:12:22 PM
Everything that happens on any communications device is stored in a giant data centre. 99.9% is worthless and 99.9% of us are far too boring to worry about it.
When it becomes a problem is when they take an interest in you. It's all there in 1s and 0s just waiting to snitch...if...and only if...you become more than the faceless consumer/tax generator that most of us are.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: AKIron on November 22, 2023, 07:22:47 AM
Everything that happens on any communications device is stored in a giant data centre. 99.9% is worthless and 99.9% of us are far too boring to worry about it.
When it becomes a problem is when they take an interest in you. It's all there in 1s and 0s just waiting to snitch...if...and only if...you become more than the faceless consumer/tax generator that most of us are.
By the time the average person becomes of interest to "them" it will be too late... for "them".
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Eagler on November 22, 2023, 07:27:44 AM
Monday we were discussing the Brussel sprout recipe the daughter in law will have on turkey day tomorrow...
We both hate Brussel sprouts and have never discussed them..
Yesterday a recipe for them popped up in my youtube feed and she got one in her Instagram feed..
I am sure it was just a coincidence...not
Eagler
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Animl-AW on November 22, 2023, 07:39:17 AM
Baby monitors and cordless phones were at 46 and 49 mhz. Scanners did NOT remove those frequencies from use. They were abandoned when everyone was reselling the devices that broadcast at 900mhz. Even then they were still unencrypted audio. The original scanners had those frequency blocks open, but that specific 900 mhz segment was later removed from future devices. You could still mod the scanner to get them until the audio became encrypted then digital, eventually moving into the 2.4 ghz bands. The first cell phones were the same way, unencrypted analog audio at 850 - 900 mhz or so. If you were close to the tower, you could hear everything and everyone. That also ended when cell phones changed to a digital signal. The kids walkie talkies you got at the dollar store, same thing, they talked back at 46 or 49 mhz.
Well, I think its in the middle. Was going in depth. I had both older hand held scanner, it scanned everything, full range. There was a news story about available freqs being removed because of the problem. A newer base scanner did not go full range. Radio Shack was forced to stop selling handheld full range. May have been a diff between home base and portable hand held. It was s long time ago. Memory fog is acceptable, as well as correction..
Main point, surveillance was much easier in the past than many think. Specifics was not my point.<shrug> :)
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Post by: oboe on November 22, 2023, 07:44:30 AM
Monday we were discussing the Brussel sprout recipe the daughter in law will have on turkey day tomorrow...
We both hate Brussel sprouts and have never discussed them..
Yesterday a recipe for them popped up in my youtube feed and she got one in her Instagram feed..
I am sure it was just a coincidence...not
Eagler
1) This is happened in our household more often than I can keep track of. Can't be coincidence, but I think I would be very sorry to learn the mechanism for how this happens. Like George Orwell 1984 sorry.
2) Eat your brussel sprouts, they are delicious and good for you. The other night we went to a local bistro and ordered a small plate of roasted brussel sprouts. They came with a honey-chili glaze and sprinkled with ground parmesan, and they were just excellent.
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Post by: Bizman on November 22, 2023, 08:24:50 AM
Monday we were discussing the Brussel sprout recipe the daughter in law will have on turkey day tomorrow...
We both hate Brussel sprouts and have never discussed them..
Yesterday a recipe for them popped up in my youtube feed and she got one in her Instagram feed..
I am sure it was just a coincidence...not
Eagler
The mechanism behind that is simple, at least if you use an Android phone and Google's services like Youtube: The phone listens to you all the time just in case you'd want to give it a voice command. And you're logged in with your Google account. Then you go to your computer and log into your Google services like Gmail and Youtube, potentially using Chrome which likes you to stay logged in for their password service. Q: What is the main purpose of Google? A: It's a marketing company. By default they gather marketing information about you and use it for targeted marketing. They don't tell your name for the vendors but they show their ads to you based on what they've gathered.
Good thing is you can choose how the information about you will be used and for what I've learned they honour your wishes quite honestly. The big question is, have you ever bothered going through the settings of your Google account?
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Post by: DmonSlyr on November 22, 2023, 08:56:26 AM
Everything that happens on any communications device is stored in a giant data centre. 99.9% is worthless and 99.9% of us are far too boring to worry about it.
When it becomes a problem is when they take an interest in you. It's all there in 1s and 0s just waiting to snitch...if...and only if...you become more than the faceless consumer/tax generator that most of us are.
I'm pretty sure places like the NSA only store data for about 3 days before they have to clear it. I do find it interesting that one day we were talking about getting new blinds, and 2 days later we get a mailer from a silicon valley company about blinds. It was no coincidence. That being said, I tell my TV, phone, car, ect, exactly how I feel and don't hold back. I do this because if they are listening, I want them to know the truth about exactly how I feel about them and their BS. Maybe they will listen and understand and change their perceptions. They cannot use the information against us because then they will be caught and their might be legal ramifications for that.
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Post by: GasTeddy on November 22, 2023, 10:44:20 AM
The mechanism behind that is simple, at least if you use an Android phone and Google's services like Youtube: The phone listens to you all the time just in case you'd want to give it a voice command. And you're logged in with your Google account. Then you go to your computer and log into your Google services like Gmail and Youtube, potentially using Chrome which likes you to stay logged in for their password service. Q: What is the main purpose of Google? A: It's a marketing company. By default they gather marketing information about you and use it for targeted marketing. They don't tell your name for the vendors but they show their ads to you based on what they've gathered.
Good thing is you can choose how the information about you will be used and for what I've learned they honour your wishes quite honestly. The big question is, have you ever bothered going through the settings of your Google account?
Exactly as Bizman tells. I have deleted Chrome in my phone and pc, downloaded Brave in both and made it default browser. After every session in internjet, I delete browsing history and cookies, plus in pc Ccleaner wipes the browser.
Another thing you should go through are your phone settings. In mine, many unnecessary apps are disabled and I regularly force stop those not needed at the moment. Internet and location are on only when needed plus permissions for apps to have access in mic, contacts, camera etc. are kept in minimum. Apps running on background disabled. Requires some fiddling but I do not get spam in my phone. Plus battery lasts longer.
I doubt Big Brother is actively monitoring normal John Does, but this Google imperium shows how easy it is, if needed. And there certainly is a reason, why in some jobs using all those social p*rn platforms and other similar ones with company phone and pc is strictly forbidden.
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Post by: morfiend on November 22, 2023, 11:51:24 AM
Some cars take this a step further and use a camera that looks at your face to determine your mood or whether you are nodding off. I seem to remember that some Lexus cars as far back as when Lexus introduced the park assist could repossess themselves in Japan.
When I talk to my Lexus all it says is pardon me…. Or I don’t understand that command. But Lexie is there if I need her!!!
<S>
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Post by: FLOOB on November 22, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
Remember the Phone Book. They were free and delivered every sixth months. Everyone’s phone number and physical address at everyone’s fingertips. And before that in the days of human switchboard operators phone lines were shared so a person could and usually did listen in on their neighbors phone calls. Somehow we survived.
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Post by: SIK1 on November 22, 2023, 01:04:18 PM
It always amazes me how complicit people are in surrendering their privacy to large corporations.
:aok
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Post by: Eviscerate on November 22, 2023, 01:17:16 PM
One of my biggest laughs.... people post a pic of their vehicle and blot out the plates. This same vehicle they drive all over creation in. One can get a lot of information about you and your family from a license plate, but most don't have access to do so.
I don't get it. What's funny?
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Post by: Shuffler on November 22, 2023, 01:28:03 PM
Remember the Phone Book. They were free and delivered every sixth months. Everyone’s phone number and physical address at everyone’s fingertips. And before that in the days of human switchboard operators phone lines were shared so a person could and usually did listen in on their neighbors phone calls. Somehow we survived.
Yes it's the exact same thing lol
You have been assimilated obviously
Eagler
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Eagler on November 22, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
The mechanism behind that is simple, at least if you use an Android phone and Google's services like Youtube: The phone listens to you all the time just in case you'd want to give it a voice command. And you're logged in with your Google account. Then you go to your computer and log into your Google services like Gmail and Youtube, potentially using Chrome which likes you to stay logged in for their password service. Q: What is the main purpose of Google? A: It's a marketing company. By default they gather marketing information about you and use it for targeted marketing. They don't tell your name for the vendors but they show their ads to you based on what they've gathered.
Good thing is you can choose how the information about you will be used and for what I've learned they honour your wishes quite honestly. The big question is, have you ever bothered going through the settings of your Google account?
I figure my samsung smart watch is part of the spy network too :aok
Good times
Eagler
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Post by: Lazerr on November 22, 2023, 07:01:24 PM
Read my post https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,408444.msg5408384.html#msg5408384 (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,408444.msg5408384.html#msg5408384), also quoted on the post above yours. That's the simple reason. Nothing strange or conspirative, just marketing.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Vulcan on November 23, 2023, 01:13:53 AM
Remember the Phone Book. They were free and delivered every sixth months. Everyone’s phone number and physical address at everyone’s fingertips. And before that in the days of human switchboard operators phone lines were shared so a person could and usually did listen in on their neighbors phone calls. Somehow we survived.
If I remember correctly, phonebooks did not listen your calls or conversations. Neither did they follow your movements, sell your contacts to retailers nor hack credit cards. But maybe my memories have faded during the years.
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Post by: nrshida on November 23, 2023, 05:20:03 AM
I figure my samsung smart watch is part of the spy network too :aok
Are the advanced features honestly worth the trouble?
I watched a video where a guy was attempting to repair a €1700 BMW 'laser' headlight. Had to laugh in the comments where one American fellow said a replacement bulb for his truck was $5. Someone replied you can't see 2km ahead in the dark with an old halogen bulb. He said I just leave earlier and drive slower. Sort of sums it all up really :rofl
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Post by: Animl-AW on November 23, 2023, 08:54:22 AM
It comes down to, don’t use any voice activated devices. If it listens for commands your mic is always on. Don’t use voice activated cable TV remote controls or things like Alexia.
Always use VPN on phones
Limit hands-free phone calls in car.
Cell phones, disable things like Siri and every permission for any app to use your contacts and mic. Same thing with Windows OS. Only allow permissions with apps accessing contacts and mic.
Create a google account so you can disable them saving any search history and clear your history. They work off IP addresses, take control of that with account.
FB also provides same options. Limit what you type on it. By law they must provide these privacy options.
Sny listen device with noise cancellation uses a mic to do it. Plug it in only when in use.
Set your browser to delete cookies and history when closed. If it doesn’t have the option, apps like CCleaner will.
As someone else stated, lazy leads to data mining.
I don’t have issues because I do the stuff above. It helps. Most probably know this stufff.
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Post by: Eagler on November 23, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
They bank on the majority not having a clue nor desire to know anything about their security just the convenience
Eagler
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Post by: Animl-AW on November 23, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
Semi-demented old farts who have paid their mortgage decades ago... Who would be a better target for ads like "$ is dead, earn thousands a month by investing a few hundreds to an AI operated app trading Chinese crypto currency"???
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Post by: Eagler on November 24, 2023, 12:53:48 PM
That audience doesn't know nor care what Chinese AI is lol
Eagler
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Post by: Meatwad on November 24, 2023, 01:50:01 PM
Semi-demented old farts who have paid their mortgage decades ago... Who would be a better target for ads like "$ is dead, earn thousands a month by investing a few hundreds to an AI operated app trading Chinese crypto currency"???
Buy our retractable awning!
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Post by: Eagler on November 24, 2023, 03:49:34 PM
Don't be a hater..just get to work and happily pay your taxes so uncle Sam pays me monthly to sit on my arse!
:cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: GasTeddy on November 26, 2023, 10:45:17 AM
The Chinese invented gunpowder. Don't underestimate them. Compare their schools to ours if you want to worry.
School? The same folks who work on buildings and weld with no hood or gloves? The same folks who do not get paid till the building is fully sold? The same folks who are often never paid for working on said building even after it is sold? The government being the worst offender of not paying.
China now is not China from way back when powder was devised. Not even close.
If their schools were so great, we would not jave so many of them here in our schools.
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Post by: AKIron on November 28, 2023, 10:26:27 AM
Asians in general do better in American schools than other demographics. It's not because they are smarter. It's because they take school seriously. In their own countries as well as here. Our schools are degenerating rapidly.
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on December 01, 2023, 09:16:10 AM
The only thing we own newer than 2004 is my 2016 CVO Pro Street Breakout, and my 2007 Night Train. I won't buy newer vehicles. I despise them.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Vulcan on December 01, 2023, 08:04:52 PM
All you are doing is handing over your traffic to a single gateway, which can now intercept, identify you, and monitor you far far easier. And you may even be forwarding your traffic into a jurisdiction where you are now committing crimes (you'd be surprised at what is legal in one country and not in another).
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Post by: nrshida on December 02, 2023, 02:38:06 AM
All you are doing is handing over your traffic to a single gateway, which can now intercept, identify you, and monitor you far far easier.
You mean all these VPN companies are selling subscriptions based on the illusion of extra security when in fact it's worse? Bloody Mark Felton lied to us!
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Post by: Bizman on December 02, 2023, 09:54:20 AM
FWIW I called WithSecure/F-secure some time ago since one of our ISPs had been very active selling their VPN service. I just had to ask whether I had lost something important. The answer was a clear no, threre's no new threats to regular users that would require VPN. Yet they seem to market their "Total" package rather than the basic Antivirus - which is understandable because everyone else is doing so with their products.
Funny thing is that starting from Windows everyone wants to know your location "for better service and more interesting content". And what does VPN do? It fakes the location!
Company usage is another thing as it allows contacting the headquarter servers safely from any network. But the grannies are made to believe it's an advanced virus protection. Agreed, it would make connecting to Harry the Hacker's Free WiFi safer. But in reality those people never use any public network. Those carrying their laptops or tablets with them while traveling and using hotel WiFi are a very small minority in all age groups. Old ones don't even know how to and the young ones rely on their cell phones.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Animl-AW on December 02, 2023, 10:22:48 AM
All you are doing is handing over your traffic to a single gateway, which can now intercept, identify you, and monitor you far far easier. And you may even be forwarding your traffic into a jurisdiction where you are now committing crimes (you'd be surprised at what is legal in one country and not in another).
What he ^ said
This entire subject opens a can of worms that may not fit in one book. This convo could extend for months. I'm certainly not going to say you're wrong. It's a bit of a mix of paranoia, and a reason to be paranoid.
Quite frankly, unless one understands what they read in coding, they really have no idea what it's doing. There's no blanket answer. It all depends on who's programming and how that specific app (or chip) is programmed. It's almost infinite on how any coding can gather information and what they do with it. Almost every app and web page collects something. Do you trust every other piece of software you use? If so, that's foolish.
A lot of software is just the easy path to finding and making settings that already exist in Windows. You already have the ability to do things like setup proxies and static connections. If one can program (Code) you can write your own encryption software, it's not rocket science to an avid user.
As far as my opinion on VPN, I'd rather have my data and my location hidden and/or encrypted through one funnel than spewed in every direction with no leash at all. And hope they don't do as you say. I'm sure someone wrote one that does. Unless you write it yourself, you really have no idea which one does what you say, or not.
When I wrote XP Game Launcher (more in-depth than "Gaming Mode" in Windows 11, I think a MS player stole the idea from me lol), it was about 15k lines of code. I wanted to know how many people actually used it, that would tell me if I'd spend anymore time on it. So that no one got counted twice I used the fingerprint of that device, which I encrypted in a file on my server. The fingerprint number used to encrypt itself. Therefore I never knew the number. I did this to make sure it didn't re-recount. All it did was make a count, nothing else. Now if I were a deviate mind that could be a problem. But totally innocent. I could have used your IP address, but I didn't need to know where you're located, nor did I need that number to be out there, encrypted or not.
Point being, some collect for good intentions, some don't. It's very hard to tell the difference. One should be on guard when using ANYTHING that connected to Land-line, RF, Cell, Cable, Satellite, Internet. The only true escape is to use none of it. Point being, today, that would be extremely hard. OTOH, paranoia can lead to insanity.
Therefore, I suggest do what you can and put some form of leash on it. Limit what you can and hope for the best. IMHO, I suggest use VPN over nothing. It's just a personal preference.
It can be done, but there is so much data flying around, you may have a better chance of being hit by lightening. You're a digit.
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Post by: Bizman on December 02, 2023, 01:02:46 PM
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As far as my opinion on VPN, I'd rather have my data and my location hidden and/or encrypted through one funnel than spewed in every direction with no leash at all.
That too. There's plenty of options to choose from, but be careful whom you trust.
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Post by: icepac on December 04, 2023, 08:59:31 AM
You guys are on fire….i like it
Point to point tunneling protocol has been in windows since Win95 and NT4.0 I don’t remember it in W4W 3.11 but I was too busy installing the protocol stacks required to get on the internet.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Maverick on December 04, 2023, 10:06:25 AM
Interestingly my car is coming up on the termination of the starlink subscription that I had when we bought the car. It was one of the things provided like the intro to sat radio. I got bored years ago with the sat radio and dropped that in previous vehicles. I have a bit of a problem with the concept that you buy a car then they want you to subscribe to maintain all of it's functions. I'm going to pass on the $100 a year starlink thing. I don't need it to use the car, and if I did I'd be getting rid of the car.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Vulcan on December 04, 2023, 01:51:04 PM
Funny thing is that starting from Windows everyone wants to know your location "for better service and more interesting content". And what does VPN do? It fakes the location!
It doesn't 'fake the location'. It takes all your traffic routes it out a specific exit point such that the traffic exits from a specific geo. Most people don't understand this has legal implications. There have also been multiple occasions where these vpn providers have admitted they do log data and they do provide those logs (with your identity) to law enforcement. Law enforcement love VPN providers because they are usually logged more information and retaining identity information for better than ISPs.
All data to and from websites is encrypted, ever since snowden revealed the spying the US does on the web there has been a mad rush to encrypt all protocols across the internet. That is why every website is HTTPS. If you go to an unencrypted website your browser will typically throw all sorts of warnings at you.
There are only two valid reasons to use a VPN for your phone or gaming PC. First is for better routing (if you ISP/Telco has crap routing); second is for geo based services (e.g. your geo is blocked or gets limited content). The privacy and encryption side is all bollocks.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Shuffler on December 04, 2023, 03:52:50 PM
It doesn't 'fake the location'. It takes all your traffic routes it out a specific exit point such that the traffic exits from a specific geo. Most people don't understand this has legal implications. There have also been multiple occasions where these vpn providers have admitted they do log data and they do provide those logs (with your identity) to law enforcement. Law enforcement love VPN providers because they are usually logged more information and retaining identity information for better than ISPs.
All data to and from websites is encrypted, ever since snowden revealed the spying the US does on the web there has been a mad rush to encrypt all protocols across the internet. That is why every website is HTTPS. If you go to an unencrypted website your browser will typically throw all sorts of warnings at you.
There are only two valid reasons to use a VPN for your phone or gaming PC. First is for better routing (if you ISP/Telco has crap routing); second is for geo based services (e.g. your geo is blocked or gets limited content). The privacy and encryption side is all bollocks.
One other thing it does protect your IP from those gamers who may want to ddos and knock you offline. Illegal but still being done.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: Vulcan on December 04, 2023, 07:01:04 PM
It doesn't 'fake the location'. It takes all your traffic routes it out a specific exit point such that the traffic exits from a specific geo.
Agreed, that's the exact explanation. Mine was a shortcut. Then again, if I'm here in Finland but choose a VPN server in Dallas, Tx, doesn't it show my location being there rather than here? At least that's how people fool broadcasting companies so they can watch content that's meant only for local residents. In my simplified thinking that's faking the location.
Title: Re: Your car is spying on you with your cell phones help.
Post by: AKIron on December 05, 2023, 09:39:24 AM
Agreed, that's the exact explanation. Mine was a shortcut. Then again, if I'm here in Finland but choose a VPN server in Dallas, Tx, doesn't it show my location being there rather than here? At least that's how people fool broadcasting companies so they can watch content that's meant only for local residents. In my simplified thinking that's faking the location.
It does work that way but some content providers may not use a known VPN service provider IP as verification of your actual location.