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Title: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Dadtallica on December 03, 2023, 11:26:24 PM
This is probably a throw away love story but in our wheelhouse just the same. Disney takes a stab at late WWII. You can score points with the better half for the love story. :devil :airplane:
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 11:33:00 PM
F Disney... Nothing personal :)
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2023, 12:25:07 AM
I don't know. But I did enjoy the "Into the Panderverse" movie, which although technically a docudrama, is supposedly highly accurate to historical events.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Maverick on December 04, 2023, 10:11:13 AM
Given disney's continued obsession with the left and especially gay issues I have not watched anything from them for some time. I ignored all of the new marvel movies for the last couple years. Until they change their interests I have no need for them.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: GasTeddy on December 04, 2023, 11:29:08 AM
Given disney's continued obsession with the left and especially gay issues I have not watched anything from them for some time. I ignored all of the new marvel movies for the last couple years. Until they change their interests I have no need for them.
The same, total boycott. They are pushing this cultural marxist ideology to every product. Old poor Walt is certainly rotating in his grave.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Shuffler on December 04, 2023, 01:04:05 PM
Given disney's continued obsession with the left and especially gay issues I have not watched anything from them for some time. I ignored all of the new marvel movies for the last couple years. Until they change their interests I have no need for them.
Ditto
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: guncrasher on December 04, 2023, 01:52:00 PM
tough week for mom's for liberty. assuming youj guys are against them too.
semp
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: nopoop on December 04, 2023, 03:43:35 PM
If Walt was alive there would be a bloodbath in management...
I would guess every one would be fired.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 04, 2023, 04:16:06 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ngr4geze04z61.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Meatwad on December 05, 2023, 06:03:07 AM
Go woke, go broke.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Tracerfi on December 05, 2023, 09:35:08 AM
Oh I love the irony here. :rofl I love conservatives get butt hurt and act like the snowflakes that they complain about when someone doesn't believe in their beliefs. Explain to me why being LGBT is a bad thing? Is it due to the "teachings" of the made up man in the sky? You can have differing opinions but invalidating someones existence and wanting to purge them because you don't like them is crazy to me. That is all I have to say about the dumpster fire of a thread this is and how annoying this community is when it comes to this topic.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Shuffler on December 05, 2023, 09:41:51 AM
Oh I love the irony here. :rofl I love conservatives get butt hurt and act like the snowflakes that they complain about when someone doesn't believe in their beliefs. Explain to me why being LGBT is a bad thing? Is it due to the "teachings" of the made up man in the sky? You can have differing opinions but invalidating someones existence and wanting to purge them because you don't like them is crazy to me. That is all I have to say about the dumpster fire of a thread this is and how annoying this community is when it comes to this topic.
You describe your type perfectly.
The is no problem being whatever you want, it's when you want everyone else to think it's OK just because you do. Be whatever you want... but keep it to yourself and don't try to force it on everyone else.
/here are lots of folks out there with mental issues, that does not make it OK or acceptable.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Tracerfi on December 05, 2023, 09:57:51 AM
The is no problem being whatever you want, it's when you want everyone else to think it's OK just because you do. Be whatever you want... but keep it to yourself and don't try to force it on everyone else.
/here are lots of folks out there with mental issues, that does not make it OK or acceptable.
I am not LGBT. I was raised to respect people with differing opinions/beliefs within reason. Do you ever think that your beliefs might be the issue here? People should be able to live their lives without getting death threats. If it isn't physically hurting you then you have no grounds to complain because there are plenty people that are actually in danger because if they live how they should be able to they risk getting killed.
Freedom for me but not for thee
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: GasTeddy on December 05, 2023, 10:41:23 AM
IMHO, everyone may be what ever they want, as long as nobody and nothing gets harmed. It is this propaganda of transgender being such a beatifical thing everyone should at least try it.
It's pushed to schools, children programs and even kindergartens nowadays. Lecturers going to schools, not just to explain things, but inciting kids into it. Brainwashing children who have no clue about sexuality yet, vulnerable victims. Legalizing pedophilia lectured in universities. And huge amount of mental problems among their society, which are taboo, well known silenced secrets.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Brooke on December 05, 2023, 11:24:15 AM
I was raised to respect people with differing opinions/beliefs within reason.
there are plenty people that are actually in danger because if they live how they should be able to they risk getting killed.
I have pals who range from regular conservative to far right. And I have pals who range from regular liberals to far left.
Each side feels the other side doesn't respect some portion of humanity. Each side feels that the other has people who would like to kill them.
The bulk of each side is not out to kill people. Most conservatives are OK with LGBT people living their lives and doing their own thing. There are conservatives who have gay friends, and there are gay conservatives. They just don't want to be force fed someone else's ideology. Just like most non-religious people are OK with others going to church -- as long as they aren't being force fed religion.
However, in general of the two groups, in my experience, liberals are far less tolerant and more supportive of violence toward the other side.
For example , I used to live on the west coast, in the land of Microsoft, Google, Starbucks, Amazon, Boeing, big law firms, etc., and involved some in academia. If you let folks at work know that voted conservative, you could get fired or pushed into the margins. And you would not be hired in the first place if anyone knew that beforehand. People running as regular conservatives (no extreme positions) for local government got threatened, got their property vandalized, and people came to their houses and threaten their wives and family. Being known as a conservative could get you ostracized in your neighborhood, with neighbors not letting their kids play with your kids. Where I lived, if you were a conservative, you had to be careful about who knew that.
There are perhaps some lower-population conservative areas that go the other way. But the above is more likely in big cities and their suburbs, where a lot of people live, and in big businesses, where a lot of people work.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: hazmatt on December 05, 2023, 12:01:08 PM
I have pals who range from regular conservative to far right. And I have pals who range from regular liberals to far left.
Each side feels the other side doesn't respect some portion of humanity. Each side feels that the other has people who would like to kill them.
The bulk of each side is not out to kill people. Most conservatives are OK with LGBT people living their lives and doing their own thing. There are conservatives who have gay friends, and there are gay conservatives. They just don't want to be force fed someone else's ideology. Just like most non-religious people are OK with others going to church -- as long as they aren't being force fed religion.
However, in general of the two groups, in my experience, liberals are far less tolerant and more supportive of violence toward the other side.
For example , I used to live on the west coast, in the land of Microsoft, Google, Starbucks, Amazon, Boeing, big law firms, etc., and involved some in academia. If you let folks at work know that voted conservative, you could get fired or pushed into the margins. And you would not be hired in the first place if anyone knew that beforehand. People running as regular conservatives (no extreme positions) for local government got threatened, got their property vandalized, and people came to their houses and threaten their wives and family. Being known as a conservative could get you ostracized in your neighborhood, with neighbors not letting their kids play with your kids. Where I lived, if you were a conservative, you had to be careful about who knew that.
There are perhaps some lower-population conservative areas that go the other way. But the above is more likely in big cities and their suburbs, where a lot of people live, and in big businesses, where a lot of people work.
This has been my experience too. Most of my conservative friends just want to be left alone. The few liberal leaning friends I have are always trying to "convert" me. lolz
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 12:54:43 PM
I am not LGBT. I was raised to respect people with differing opinions/beliefs within reason. Do you ever think that your beliefs might be the issue here? People should be able to live their lives without getting death threats. If it isn't physically hurting you then you have no grounds to complain because there are plenty people that are actually in danger because if they live how they should be able to they risk getting killed.
Freedom for me but not for thee
Do you really believe what you type? Where are all of these people threatening to kill others with mental disorders (1% of the population in this instance). While you're at it, also see if you can find one of those fleeting Nazi skinheads that some say are wreaking havoc in this country.
Bottom line, Disney has every right to force their beliefs onto their customers through their content, and the customer then has every right to reject that content. By the way, how does a parent who raises their child to be respectful of others, but does not want LGBT being pushed on their child equate to being a religious nut?
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Oh I love the irony here. :rofl I love conservatives get butt hurt and act like the snowflakes that they complain about when someone doesn't believe in their beliefs. Explain to me why being LGBT is a bad thing? Is it due to the "teachings" of the made up man in the sky? You can have differing opinions but invalidating someones existence and wanting to purge them because you don't like them is crazy to me. That is all I have to say about the dumpster fire of a thread this is and how annoying this community is when it comes to this topic.
Turn in your liberal card immediately.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Meatwad on December 05, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
The bolded is exactly what liberals and progressives do to anyone that has a different view them theirs.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 01:27:43 PM
I have pals who range from regular conservative to far right. And I have pals who range from regular liberals to far left.
Each side feels the other side doesn't respect some portion of humanity. Each side feels that the other has people who would like to kill them.
The bulk of each side is not out to kill people. Most conservatives are OK with LGBT people living their lives and doing their own thing. There are conservatives who have gay friends, and there are gay conservatives. They just don't want to be force fed someone else's ideology. Just like most non-religious people are OK with others going to church -- as long as they aren't being force fed religion.
However, in general of the two groups, in my experience, liberals are far less tolerant and more supportive of violence toward the other side.
For example , I used to live on the west coast, in the land of Microsoft, Google, Starbucks, Amazon, Boeing, big law firms, etc., and involved some in academia. If you let folks at work know that voted conservative, you could get fired or pushed into the margins. And you would not be hired in the first place if anyone knew that beforehand. People running as regular conservatives (no extreme positions) for local government got threatened, got their property vandalized, and people came to their houses and threaten their wives and family. Being known as a conservative could get you ostracized in your neighborhood, with neighbors not letting their kids play with your kids. Where I lived, if you were a conservative, you had to be careful about who knew that.
There are perhaps some lower-population conservative areas that go the other way. But the above is more likely in big cities and their suburbs, where a lot of people live, and in big businesses, where a lot of people work.
A good friend of mine works for FSU and has 7 years to go to hit 30. After 23 years with the university, no one knows his true political beliefs (moderate conservative) as he has always portrayed himself as apolitical out of fear of repercussion. He describes most of his colleagues' political moods as angry to violent.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: GasTeddy on December 05, 2023, 02:31:20 PM
The bolded is exactly what liberals and progressives do to anyone that has a different view them theirs.
The most narrow minded and intolerant are those who claim to be the most liberal and open minded. They accept everyone, who has exactly same opinion, everyone else is neonazi racist. That stands out especially in so called multicultural environment, which has made Sweden a battlefield and turned Belgium and The Netherlands really dangerous places for natives. Been there, seen a lot, what cannot be written in here.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 02:38:42 PM
The most narrow minded and intolerant are those who claim to be the most liberal and open minded. They accept everyone, who has exactly same opinion, everyone else is neonazi racist. That stands out especially in so called multicultural environment, which has made Sweden a battlefield and turned Belgium and The Netherlands really dangerous places for natives. Been there, seen a lot, what cannot be written in here.
well, dress different and called yourself a different name other than given at birth and the right goes crazy. as if it was something contagious that can be passed from person to person.
yet everybody uses pronouns that were not given at birth here. hypocrisy? let's ask ted cruz, he uses his prefer pronoun. why not rafael?
semp
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 02:46:18 PM
The most narrow minded and intolerant are those who claim to be the most liberal and open minded. They accept everyone, who has exactly same opinion, everyone else is neonazi racist. That stands out especially in so called multicultural environment, which has made Sweden a battlefield and turned Belgium and The Netherlands really dangerous places for natives. Been there, seen a lot, what cannot be written in here.
My grandmother was from Belgium. Came to the U.S. with my grandfather (Army) during WWII. After she retired, she would make annual visits back home to visit family. Her visits ended around '00 because of what you're describing.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 02:51:20 PM
well, dress different and called yourself a different name other than given at birth and the right goes crazy. as if it was something contagious that can be passed from person to person.
yet everybody uses pronouns that were not given at birth here. hypocrisy? let's ask ted cruz, he uses his prefer pronoun. why not rafael?
semp
You haven't read the first post in this thread, have you? Or is that as far as your talking points playbook will let you go on this subject?
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: GasTeddy on December 05, 2023, 03:00:56 PM
well, dress different and called yourself a different name other than given at birth and the right goes crazy. as if it was something contagious that can be passed from person to person.
yet everybody uses pronouns that were not given at birth here. hypocrisy? let's ask ted cruz, he uses his prefer pronoun. why not rafael?
semp
Oh yes! Dressing can be dangerous. Happened to go by accident to a place where tolerant leftist liberals had their meeting with soviet flags, Che Guevara shirts and other similar stuff. Happened to be wearing brown airborne unit t-shirt, camo cargo pants and tan canvas combat boots. Guess who went crazy? I drop you a hint: It wasn't me... ;)
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Shuffler on December 05, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
I am not LGBT. I was raised to respect people with differing opinions/beliefs within reason. Do you ever think that your beliefs might be the issue here? People should be able to live their lives without getting death threats. If it isn't physically hurting you then you have no grounds to complain because there are plenty people that are actually in danger because if they live how they should be able to they risk getting killed.
Freedom for me but not for thee
The ones I see doing death threats are the same ones with the mental issues. Once in awhile you may see some other turd, but they usually have some mental issue too. I am fine if they are getting help and not trying to push their issues on me.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Shuffler on December 05, 2023, 04:04:33 PM
The most narrow minded and intolerant are those who claim to be the most liberal and open minded. They accept everyone, who has exactly same opinion, everyone else is neonazi racist. That stands out especially in so called multicultural environment, which has made Sweden a battlefield and turned Belgium and The Netherlands really dangerous places for natives. Been there, seen a lot, what cannot be written in here.
Exactly!
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Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 06:00:48 PM
Oh yes! Dressing can be dangerous. Happened to go by accident to a place where tolerant leftist liberals had their meeting with soviet flags, Che Guevara shirts and other similar stuff. Happened to be wearing brown airborne unit t-shirt, camo cargo pants and tan canvas combat boots. Guess who went crazy? I drop you a hint: It wasn't me... ;)
call bs on your statement.
semp
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Post by: hazmatt on December 05, 2023, 06:26:54 PM
Best one I've seen lately was: "Gays for Palestine" I wonder how their visit to Gaza would go...
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Brooke on December 05, 2023, 07:09:51 PM
well, dress different and called yourself a different name other than given at birth and the right goes crazy. as if it was something contagious that can be passed from person to person.
Conservatives on average don't care what some person calls him or herself. To the extent they get upset, it is about the insanity around it.
For example, most non-religious people don't care if someone goes to church. What they would get upset about is being forced to pray in school, force to pray in their jobs, etc. Being precluded from jobs unless they say they vow that they are religious. Having every TV commercial pushing religion along with the product. Being called a nazi if they don't pray. Having religious flags everywhere. Precluded from job advancement if they aren't overtly religious. Having the government tell everyone that by being non-religious, they are enemies of the state or perhaps domestic terrorists.
You do too much of ramming that stuff down people's throats, and you provoke an inflammatory response.
By the way, some ideas can be like contagion at times. See for example past fads of bulimia, self cutting, etc.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 07:51:09 PM
Conservatives on average don't care what some person calls him or herself. To the extent they get upset, it is about the insanity around it.
For example, most non-religious people don't care if someone goes to church. What they would get upset about is being forced to pray in school, force to pray in their jobs, etc. Being precluded from jobs unless they say they vow that they are religious. Having every TV commercial pushing religion along with the product. Being called a nazi if they don't pray. Having religious flags everywhere. Precluded from job advancement if they aren't overtly religious. Having the government tell everyone that by being non-religious, they are enemies of the state or perhaps domestic terrorists.
You do too much of ramming that stuff down people's throats, and you provoke an inflammatory response.
By the way, some ideas can be like contagion at times. See for example past fads of bulimia, self cutting, etc.
i agree with some of it. but I still remember some of the right calling the vax the mark of the devil because it contains luciferase which it didnt.
but what exactly are we talking about here. cant mention it because it's a suspension. by lets just say religion men and women or sick heterosexual men and women do most of it.
semp
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 05, 2023, 08:01:48 PM
i agree with some of it. but I still remember some of the right calling the vax the mark of the devil because it contains luciferase which it didnt.
but what exactly are we talking about here. cant mention it because it's a suspension. by lets just say religion men and women or sick heterosexual men and women do most of it.
semp
Dude, you are pure propaganda. I've seen better responses from Soros paid trolls on youtube.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Busher on December 05, 2023, 08:29:27 PM
Oh I love the irony here. :rofl I love conservatives get butt hurt and act like the snowflakes that they complain about when someone doesn't believe in their beliefs. Explain to me why being LGBT is a bad thing? Is it due to the "teachings" of the made up man in the sky? You can have differing opinions but invalidating someones existence and wanting to purge them because you don't like them is crazy to me. That is all I have to say about the dumpster fire of a thread this is and how annoying this community is when it comes to this topic.
Well said Sir, but as a resident woke liberal, I fail to see anything to be gained. Some seem so frightened of truth that it's become illegal in many communities to teach the horrific history of slavery; to teach that gay and trans people exist (and always have); to allow all books and literature to remain in the public domain.
Sounds more like a redefinition of freedom.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
Well said Sir, but as a resident woke liberal, I fail to see anything to be gained. Some seem so frightened of truth that it's become illegal in many communities to teach the horrific history of slavery; to teach that gay and trans people exist (and always have); to allow all books and literature to remain in the public domain.
Sounds more like a redefinition of freedom.
Name the communities where it is illegal to teach about slavery in history class.
Name the communities which teach that gay people and those who suffer from gender dysphoria do not, and have never existed.
What are the books that have been pulled from public school libraries that you would like to see back on the shelf?
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 09:23:11 PM
Some seem so frightened of truth that it's become illegal in many communities to teach the horrific history of slavery; to teach that gay and trans people exist (and always have); to allow all books and literature to remain in the public domain.
I lived decades around LA, San Francisco, and Seattle. Now I live in a conservative part of Tennessee. It would be judged more conservative than a bunch of Texas and Florida.
My daughters are in public school here. I can assure you that they are taught about the Civil War, slavery, Native Americans, that gay and trans people exist, etc.
There are disagreements here on what goes into children's school libraries (such as pornographic stuff). It's not about what is available to adults.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: guncrasher on December 05, 2023, 10:42:01 PM
Florida doesn't teach about slavery in their history curriculum? New to me and I live here.
How does Florida disparage gays and those who suffer from gender dysphoria?
What books have been pulled from the shelves of our public school libraries that you would like to see back on the shelf?
You might want to review your home state laws. Legislation passed in Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi in 2022 regulates how the teachers can discuss racism, sexism, and issues of systemic inequality in the classroom. And no, I won't look up the actual bill numbers for you... get in the game.
Some specific books banned in Florida Texas and some other southern states: The Handmaid's Tale; Flamer; Crank; A Court of Mist and Fury... I could go on but there were 874 book titles banned between July 1,2022 and December 1,2022 and I just suck at typing fast. Further, let's be clear, I don't want to see any particular title added to a school curriculum but I will never support banning of books based on the valuation of politicians.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: hazmatt on December 05, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
My favorite was Thugsbunny the biker.
https://youtu.be/4lEHpWUOUfw?t=17
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Brooke on December 05, 2023, 11:50:31 PM
You might want to review your home state laws. Legislation passed in Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi in 2022 regulates how the teachers can discuss racism, sexism, and issues of systemic inequality in the classroom.
What the bills say, and what some news articles say the bills say, are different. For example, in Florida, it is prohibited to teach that:
"1. Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin. 2. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously."
And so on.
Teaching about racism, sexism, etc. being bad and about their history are allowed and a standard part of curricula.
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Some specific books banned in Florida Texas and some other southern states:
Some books banned in Burbank, California in 2020: To Kill a Mockingbird The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn Of Mice and Men The Cay Roll of Thunder, Hear me Cry https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241
We aren't talking about adults here. They get to read whatever. We are talking about what is in the kid's library at local school.
Parents in different communities have different opinions on what they do and don't want their kids to read. That's OK. It is up to them how their kids are brought up and what they read. If one community wants Huck Finn in the library. OK. If another doesn't want it. OK.
If a parent wants his kid to read a book that isn't in the school library, the parent can get it from the public library, buy it from Amazon, buy it from the used-book store. There are lots of books I want my kids to read that aren't in the school's library. So, I get them for my kids. No biggie.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Eagler on December 06, 2023, 08:08:23 AM
Zero wrong with Florida..except inhumane temps and humidity
Those that think there is usually thinks NYC and California are wonderful so we don't really care what they think..
We also are against illegal immigration
Plenty of blacks and gays running around here..I worked with dozens of them for years in software development
Please make a mountain out of a different mole hill
Eagler
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Busher on December 06, 2023, 09:44:56 AM
What the bills say, and what some news articles say the bills say, are different. For example, in Florida, it is prohibited to teach that:
"1. Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin. 2. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously."
And so on.
Teaching about racism, sexism, etc. being bad and about their history are allowed and a standard part of curricula.
Some books banned in Burbank, California in 2020: To Kill a Mockingbird The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn Of Mice and Men The Cay Roll of Thunder, Hear me Cry https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241
We aren't talking about adults here. They get to read whatever. We are talking about what is in the kid's library at local school.
Parents in different communities have different opinions on what they do and don't want their kids to read. That's OK. It is up to them how their kids are brought up and what they read. If one community wants Huck Finn in the library. OK. If another doesn't want it. OK.
If a parent wants his kid to read a book that isn't in the school library, the parent can get it from the public library, buy it from Amazon, buy it from the used-book store. There are lots of books I want my kids to read that aren't in the school's library. So, I get them for my kids. No biggie.
With you a Conservative, and me a self admitted woke Liberal, we could debate these topics incessantly. It likely explains the why the national divide is not only intellectual, it has also become geographic.
But you chose to mention one Florida Law while I would refer you to Florida Senator Manny Diaz's SB148.
You clearly would have parents control the complete content and curriculum of their child's education, while I believe that a child's academic education is far too important to be left in the hands of the parents.
So do we anything to discuss? I think not. But I suspect the perceived dangers of Liberal ideas might lead to quite a thread. :lol
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Shuffler on December 06, 2023, 09:46:18 AM
Call it what you want, I really don't care! :rofl I presume your location is on a changing period.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Maverick on December 06, 2023, 11:23:56 AM
Interesting thread and quite frankly I am surprised it is still open. The old heads here already know me pretty well. The newer folks might not.
Regarding the content here, there have been some claims that are not based in fact and others that are. Yes Florida and other places have become alarmed regarding some books and other "content" that have shown up in elementary schools. Having looked at a couple of the books, the ones depicting or describing in full detail sexual activities would qualify for prosecution under the pornography laws of pretty much all states, when dealing with minors. Especially minors under the age of 10 to 12. Think "adult" books / video stores. They fall under the pornography laws and minors are not allowed to enter.
There are laws prohibiting taking minors to live sex shows, of either gender, yet trans people (seemingly all biological males) are encouraged and allowed to perform their adult acts in more than a couple elementary schools. I can state that there are prohibitions in taking a minor child to a strip show where female performers are required to wear pasties and a thong at a minimum much less a biological male exposing genitalia. Few seem to take umbrage at that limitation.
I don't give a flying fart in a high wind if a person is gay. I don't care who they have sex with as long as it is with an adult age / competent person. I don't care if they get married. If they pass the background investigation, I don't care if they adopt as long as they raise that child and never abuse the parental obligations / requirements.
What I do care about is that they leave me and mine along and I will give them the same respect. I do not push my hetero behaviors and practices upon them and demand they do the same for me.
I object to explicit sexual material, of any kind, in an elementary classroom through HS. Once the kid is of adult age they are welcome to indulge in whatever material they desire and enjoy all adult rights and obligations. That includes making a decision over things like tattoos and gender surgery. IMO making a permanent surgical procedure on a child under 18 is both medically and morally unethical. Also IMO that should be grounds for severing parental rights. Should a minor child obtain court approval for emancipation and be legally considered an adult I do not care what choices they make in their life regarding gender and sexual activities.
Legally a child is considered incapable of making adult decisions on their own and that has been a standard that has been in practice for quite a long time.
I have not seen examples of "trans genocide" in the news nor heard of it from acquaintances. Same for anti gay violence as has been alleged by "activists". There has been a school shooting by a trans person.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Eagler on December 06, 2023, 12:20:18 PM
More than one..
Eagler
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 06, 2023, 03:51:46 PM
You might want to review your home state laws. Legislation passed in Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi in 2022 regulates how the teachers can discuss racism, sexism, and issues of systemic inequality in the classroom. And no, I won't look up the actual bill numbers for you... get in the game.
Some specific books banned in Florida Texas and some other southern states: The Handmaid's Tale; Flamer; Crank; A Court of Mist and Fury... I could go on but there were 874 book titles banned between July 1,2022 and December 1,2022 and I just suck at typing fast. Further, let's be clear, I don't want to see any particular title added to a school curriculum but I will never support banning of books based on the valuation of politicians.
The AP AA studies class was rejected because the course is nothing more than another Leftist attempt to implement their woke agenda into our public schools. And no, I will not look up all of the examples within the course for you ... get in the game.
A few books that I'm sure you and semp would like to see back on the shelves of our elementary school libraries.
It likely explains the why the national divide is not only intellectual, it has also become geographic.
True. Being able to vote with your feet is an effective form of voting. It also gives people places where they can do things the way they think is best. And it leads to more rapid advancement in policy, since you get to see if it works better in this state with this policy or that state with that policy.
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You clearly would have parents control the complete content and curriculum of their child's education, while I believe that a child's academic education is far too important to be left in the hands of the parents.
Not entirely.
Let's break what kids are taught into: (1) math, science, reading, writing, history, without promotion of a particular ideology, and (2) values (i.e., a particular ideology is promoted as the correct one).
Both left and right are fine with schools delivering (1).
But the left wants schools also to deliver and to control (2), whereas the right wants schools to stay out of (2) and for parents to control (2).
I think it likely that, if educators share a group's ideology, that group tends to want schools in charge of it and to promote it; and if educators do not share a group's ideology, that group tends to want schools staying out of it, and parents in charge of it. If ultraconservatives dominated education, I think it likely that liberals would want educators staying out of promoting an ideology.
I think of ideology as the same as religion. Religion is an ideology. We have no problem teaching things (including history of conflicts involving religion) without pushing a religion. We can do the same and keep ideology out of it.
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So do we anything to discuss? I think not. But I suspect the perceived dangers of Liberal ideas might lead to quite a thread. :lol
Neither of us will convince the other to change his ideology. However, I think it is fun and interesting to discuss things with people who don't share my views.
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Post by: Busher on December 06, 2023, 04:47:11 PM
To Rush and to Brooke with respect, I would prefer to agree to disagree. Happy Holidays Gents. :)
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Post by: MrSlim on December 06, 2023, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Maverick link=topic=408516.msg5409537#msg5409537 date=1701883436 There has been a school shooting by a trans person. [/quote
Why let all the angry frustrated white males have all the fun. . .
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: hazmatt on December 06, 2023, 05:45:45 PM
Wasn't it a transgender person with XX chromosomes that thought they had XY chromosomes?
My 5 year old knows the difference between XX and XY chromosomes. Seems there's many adults how don't.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 06, 2023, 08:17:34 PM
xx and xy are the prevalent but not exactly the only ones.
99.9+% of humans have xx or xy.
There are lots of rare birth defects: born without limbs, born without a nose, etc.
Do crows have wings? Is the correct answer that a kid should give "Not always. While 99.96% of crows are born with wings, there are 0.04% of crows born without wings."?
Can you imagine how insufferable it would be for a person to go through life answering every question that way?
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Post by: Dadtallica on December 06, 2023, 10:21:22 PM
There are lots of rare birth defects: born without limbs, born without a nose, etc.
Do crows have wings? Is the correct answer that a kid should give "Not always. While 99.96% of crows are born with wings, there are 0.04% of crows born without wings."?
Can you imagine how insufferable it would be for a person to go through life answering every question that way?
Not if you let Jesus take the wheel. :bolt:
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Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 12:23:47 AM
well if you dont include the exceptions. xx and xy are the prevalent but not exactly the only ones. so no your kid doesnt know the complete story.
semp
So what exactly do I have to tell my kid so they have the "complete story"? That there's a .00001 chance that you could be something else? What would that be? an xxy or a xyz or? Please enlighten my dumb self cause I know liberals are, er think they are much smarter then everybody else.
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Post by: RUSH1 on December 07, 2023, 12:39:13 AM
I think of ideology as the same as religion. Religion is an ideology. We have no problem teaching things (including history of conflicts involving religion) without pushing a religion. We can do the same and keep ideology out of it.
This. This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Leave ideologies out from education. Let children be children, play like children and behave like children. And when they grow, let them decide themselves, what they are. Do not force them to be something they are not!
And please, do not mix guidance with education and propaganda with advices. There's certain difference between those.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Dadtallica on December 07, 2023, 08:55:06 AM
Wow. How bout adding something to the conversation instead of looking like a nervous agnostic.
Most of what is being discussed in here is so far from fact and based deeply on fairy tales.
I was just trying to share a neat new show maybe. Instead I got thread full of scared old men speaking ignorantly about a topic they clearly know very little about. Surely there are some beer cans you can all pay for to smash like children who have to eat their broccoli.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 07, 2023, 02:21:14 PM
Most of what is being discussed in here is so far from fact and based deeply on fairy tales.
I was just trying to share a neat new show maybe. Instead I got thread full of scared old men speaking ignorantly about a topic they clearly know very little about. Surely there are some beer cans you can all pay for to smash like children who have to eat their broccoli.
Yet you have still not added anything of substance to the conversation. You've only confirmed what some have already stated in this thread about Leftists being the most intolerant group of people in society today.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: MrSlim on December 07, 2023, 06:11:45 PM
Yet you have still not added anything of substance to the conversation.
The conversation was about a new WWII era movie being put out by Disney. Then got hijacked about who is communists and who isn't. Perhaps it is THOSE ppl (like yourself) who haven't added anything of substance other than right-wing talk radio tripe. . .
(The movie looks pretty good btw, thanks for the heads-up) :aok
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: RUSH1 on December 07, 2023, 06:42:29 PM
Yet you have still not added anything of substance to the conversation. You've only confirmed what some have already stated in this thread about Leftists being the most intolerant group of people in society today.
Maybe reread my paragraph. It was packed pretty full of context.
If you want me to sit here and argue your pseudoscience then no thanks, I am not one to scream into the void.
Title: Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
Post by: Brooke on December 07, 2023, 08:13:12 PM