General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: oboe on December 18, 2023, 11:06:14 AM
Title: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: oboe on December 18, 2023, 11:06:14 AM
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Nefarious on December 18, 2023, 12:28:18 PM
Looks awesome, also looks like the Tuskegee Airmen will get some episodes according to what I've read.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: sparky127 on December 19, 2023, 12:51:52 PM
And here I thought this was going to be about the Mighty Eighth, weird...
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: oboe on December 19, 2023, 01:41:44 PM
Yeah, the Tuskegee Airmen reference throws me a bit when the series is supposed to be based on the book, "Masters of the Air", which I believe is strictly about the 8th AF's ETO bombing campaign.
I'm still hoping for the best; I'm hoping for such success it spawns another Band of Brothers type historically accurate, gritty story based on the Flying Tigers in China. I'm hoping it generates renewed wide-spread interest in WWII flight sims. (Aces High being the only one where you can fly a B-17 or B-24 in a multiplayer environment).
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Post by: Eagler on December 19, 2023, 01:51:27 PM
They have to fit our civics lesson into it somewhere...
Hollywood can't help themselves these days
Wondering how they are going to get a chick into it as the hero...
Eagler
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Nefarious on December 19, 2023, 02:05:28 PM
Yeah, the Tuskegee Airmen reference throws me a bit when the series is supposed to be based on the book, "Masters of the Air", which I believe is strictly about the 8th AF's ETO bombing campaign.
I'm still hoping for the best; I'm hoping for such success it spawns another Band of Brothers type historically accurate, gritty story based on the Flying Tigers in China. I'm hoping it generates renewed wide-spread interest in WWII flight sims. (Aces High being the only one where you can fly a B-17 or B-24 in a multiplayer environment).
Imagine being upset about it.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Spikes on December 19, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Yeah, the Tuskegee Airmen reference throws me a bit when the series is supposed to be based on the book, "Masters of the Air", which I believe is strictly about the 8th AF's ETO bombing campaign.
Spikes and I looked into it after the first trailer came out.
The 100th BG went to Ukraine as part of one of the Operation Frantic shuttle bombing missions. On their return trip, they went to Italy and did a couple of missions with the 15th AF. So it's possible that they did encounter the pilots in the 332nd FG. I haven't read the book, but I figure there's some mention in there if it occurred.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Nefarious on December 19, 2023, 02:24:25 PM
I guess there is some legitimate concern that the greatest film producers in our lifetimes might honor the Tuskegee Airmen better than the stinkburger that was "Redtails" or the 1995 Made for TV movie "The Tuskegee Airmen"
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: oboe on December 19, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
I guess there is some legitimate concern that the greatest film producers in our lifetimes might honor the Tuskegee Airmen better than the stinkburger that was "Redtails" or the 1995 Made for TV movie "The Tuskegee Airmen"
I hope you didn't get that impression from my post, Nefarious. The Tuskegee Airmen deserve our unbounded admiration and gratitude for what they accomplished and what they put up with; theirs is a remarkable record of achievement. I'm just hoping for tight historical accuracy, authentic dialogue for the period, a compelling story and great music and effects. If it doesn't turn out that way, I'll be disappointed, but not upset. If it gets close to the quality of Band of Brothers, it'll still be great.
Hollywood being a business, I suppose the do have to make sure its appealing to many different audiences, so it makes money.
Thank you Devil, for pointing out the possibility of an accurate story of the Mighty 8th that includes missions with the Tuskegee Airmen. I have the book so I better get it back on my nightstand.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Nefarious on December 19, 2023, 08:13:13 PM
I hope you didn't get that impression from my post, Nefarious.
lol no, just some sarcasm.
I hypothesized the theory of the 100th BG-Tuskegee "crossover" in the first trailer post by Capt Trips. I don't have a problem with it at all and yes, if the producers can reach more people and inspire one more little boy to become an aviation history enthusiast I will be pleased.
I might even go as far and say that maybe the two pilots cross paths in the prison camp they show in the trailer. Or maybe it's a small interlude between stories.
I don't care. Looking forward to January.
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Post by: Brooke on December 19, 2023, 11:26:21 PM
The Tuskegee Airmen are not in Masters of the Air (the book) as far as I can tell. The book is basically about the 8th AF.
I don't mind if the series occasionally jumps over to cover the Tuskegee Airmen as a separate plot. However, I'm hoping that they don't go full Hollywood, mixing the 8th AF and Tuskegee Airmen into a non-historical mess that fails both 8th AF history and Tuskegee Airmen history. I'll keep an open mind.
Overall, I'm greatly looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: oboe on December 20, 2023, 06:45:14 AM
The Tuskegee Airmen are not in Masters of the Air (the book) as far as I can tell. The book is basically about the 8th AF.
I don't mind if the series occasionally jumps over to cover the Tuskegee Airmen as a separate plot. However, I'm hoping that they don't go full Hollywood, mixing the 8th AF and Tuskegee Airmen into a non-historical mess that fails both 8th AF history and Tuskegee Airmen history. I'll keep an open mind.
Overall, I'm greatly looking forward to it.
^This, exactly. We'll just have to wait and see; as Devil and Spikes discovered its historically plausible that the two groups crossed paths.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Maverick on December 20, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath that they are NOT going to go full hollywood. The opening scenes of this trailer were of the obligatory love interest. I am just wondering if they are going to rewrite "history" in a woke manner as well with the also obligatory trans person(s).
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: CptTrips on December 20, 2023, 10:50:21 AM
My guess is that it will be a concurrent\parallel story line like they did in Pacific.
It may not have been have been in the book, but no law says they can't expand the storylines as an example of other Masters of the Air.
There were some historical tweaks and misses in Band of Brothers too. I can live with a little massaging as long as they don't jump the shark.
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Post by: Dadtallica on December 20, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
"ThErE oUgHt tO bE a LaW!!1!" - some racist, probably.
Meh. My beef, if any, were the other attempts were crap. I'd love to see a serious, nuanced depiction of the Redtails.
Band of Brothers is still the standard. If they could produce a BoB level depiction of the the Redtails story, I would watch it in a heartbeat. If it's good. If it's bad, it doesn't matter what color the skin of the pilot is.
I'd love to see a BoB level anthology of the 442nd Infantry Regimental Combat Team, too. Those are legitimate stories. Those soldiers really went through that bias. There is no point looking away. It just need a better treatment than easy two-dimensional made-for-television cut-out cartoon characters.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Nefarious on December 20, 2023, 01:36:28 PM
That's right... Nothing should be accurate, ever. And if it is, it's because racism.
Show me on the doll where the Tuskegee Airman in the movie trailer hurt you.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4yy30FFb/e94s3.jpg)
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: mechanic on February 05, 2024, 12:27:09 PM
Anyone been watching?
got up to episode 3 and I'm loving it. But especially because I have skin in the game. The dropzone where i work as a cameraman filmed a whole bunch of the bail out stunts, our camera man Paulo filmed over 50% of the shots in the final cuts and Mikey the other 50%. Was a lot of fun working on the airfield during the project. Seeing the stuntmen all dressed up in sheepskins and mae wests, chucking out round canopies after simulating a bailout from our jump plane. The scene in episode 3 where the young crewman cannot help is friend babyface out of the ball turret I can picture our Pac in place of the B17.
Cool series, they've done it real justice and the CGI is so beautiful.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: CptTrips on February 05, 2024, 12:34:27 PM
got up to episode 3 and I'm loving it. But especially because I have skin in the game. The dropzone where i work as a cameraman filmed a whole bunch of the bail out stunts, our camera man Paulo filmed over 50% of the shots in the final cuts and Mikey the other 50%. Was a lot of fun working on the airfield during the project. Seeing the stuntmen all dressed up in sheepskins and mae wests, chucking out round canopies after simulating a bailout from our jump plane. The scene in episode 3 where the young crewman cannot help is friend babyface out of the ball turret I can picture our Pac in place of the B17.
Cool series, they've done it real justice and the CGI is so beautiful.
The third episode was better. Understandably they had to spend first two setting up the characters and situation. World-building in writers speak.
Now they can start the story proper.
While there are probably not enough of the vets left to bookend the episodes with interviews, they could have used historians like Ken Burns' Civil War series.
If the rest is as good or better than ep. 3 (though not perfect) then I will be happy.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: The Fugitive on February 05, 2024, 04:02:07 PM
got up to episode 3 and I'm loving it. But especially because I have skin in the game. The dropzone where i work as a cameraman filmed a whole bunch of the bail out stunts, our camera man Paulo filmed over 50% of the shots in the final cuts and Mikey the other 50%. Was a lot of fun working on the airfield during the project. Seeing the stuntmen all dressed up in sheepskins and mae wests, chucking out round canopies after simulating a bailout from our jump plane. The scene in episode 3 where the young crewman cannot help is friend babyface out of the ball turret I can picture our Pac in place of the B17.
Cool series, they've done it real justice and the CGI is so beautiful.
got up to episode 3 and I'm loving it. But especially because I have skin in the game. The dropzone where i work as a cameraman filmed a whole bunch of the bail out stunts, our camera man Paulo filmed over 50% of the shots in the final cuts and Mikey the other 50%. Was a lot of fun working on the airfield during the project. Seeing the stuntmen all dressed up in sheepskins and mae wests, chucking out round canopies after simulating a bailout from our jump plane. The scene in episode 3 where the young crewman cannot help is friend babyface out of the ball turret I can picture our Pac in place of the B17.
Cool series, they've done it real justice and the CGI is so beautiful.
Sweet that you got to work on it!
I am liking the series a lot. I think they are doing a great job.
I wish you could join us in the Masters of the Air scenario that is running Saturdays. But the time in the UK would be quite difficult, starting at Sunday, 1 am London time.
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Post by: AKIron on February 05, 2024, 04:41:42 PM
Wasn't sure I was going to like the series but episode 3 stepped it up a couple of notches.
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Post by: mechanic on February 05, 2024, 05:58:20 PM
I am liking the series a lot. I think they are doing a great job.
I wish you could join us in the Masters of the Air scenario that is running Saturdays. But the time in the UK would be quite difficult, starting at Sunday, 1 am London time.
Would love to Brooke, many happy memories of the events here. Unfortunately now with a family and pushing on in years myself, I think my days of staying up until dawn playing games are now few and far between. :old:
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Post by: Shuffler on February 06, 2024, 12:38:58 PM
Would love to Brooke, many happy memories of the events here. Unfortunately now with a family and pushing on in years myself, I think my days of staying up until dawn playing games are now few and far between. :old:
LOL Mechanic, your 20 minute nap every hour interupting your flying? :D
I just hit 65 Sunday :aok
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Eagler on February 06, 2024, 12:59:30 PM
:rofl 20 minute nap every half an hour is better Shuff!
I'm only 41, but I'm feeling the time zone differences more than when I started AH at 17
Holy crap I had to read that twice man we're getting old.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2024, 10:42:59 AM
You youngsters squeaking about getting old is funny. I'm 70
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Post by: Prayer on February 09, 2024, 11:16:42 AM
Turn 40 next month, started AH at 17. When I started flying it seemed most were in there 30 or 40s. I have really been contemplating getting Apple TV just to watch this series. From the trailer and youtube clips it looks like a worth wild watch.
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Eagler on February 09, 2024, 11:48:52 AM
Turn 40 next month, started AH at 17. When I started flying it seemed most were in there 30 or 40s. I have really been contemplating getting Apple TV just to watch this series. From the trailer and youtube clips it looks like a worth wild watch.
Everything else aside it's worth the $$$ to Apple...
I was one of those that started flying in AH in my early 40's...retired last October and turn 65 this April but a youngster compared to some here
Eagler
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Post by: Dadtallica on February 09, 2024, 01:11:54 PM
I just turned 50 this month. I thought I was one of the young ones seeing here! :old:
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Post by: sparky127 on March 11, 2024, 06:55:51 AM
So... A friend was wondering if we're going to talk about episode 8...
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Post by: sparky127 on March 14, 2024, 12:58:59 PM
Guess not...
:dunno
Title: Re: Masters of the Air Trailer 2
Post by: Dadtallica on March 14, 2024, 01:06:05 PM
Why did they not take the 100th documentary and put cutups in the series, similar to BOB. Would've set up the series so much better.
As I watched the bloody hundredth tonight I thought the same thing.
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Post by: CptTrips on March 17, 2024, 10:59:08 PM
It was OK. Uneven. It took so long to make, it could have never lived up to the hype. It could have been better. It could have been worse.
It didn't suck.
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Post by: shotgunneeley on March 24, 2024, 08:18:35 PM
I originally posted this in the MOTA scenario general, but probably better here:
I read the MOTA book twice, last time being close to 10 years ago. Based on my memory of it, I was surprised that it seemed to follow other sources pretty heavily like Crosby’s A Wing and a Prayer. Felt like a lot of MOTA was left undeveloped, like the political challenges and the strategic choices made by the likes of Eaker, Arnold and Doolittle. They should have used a different title to the series more in line with the focus on the 100th BG instead of the broader 8th AAF that the book MOTA really develops.
I have been eager to see this since they first announced it over a decade ago. While not as good as Band of Brothers, I could definitely re-watch it more times than the Pacific (which I have only seen three times as compared to like 12-15 times for BoB). I did not have any problem with the CGI. It will take another to really get to know the many faces and be able to better link characters off-mission with their faces unobscured as compared to when they are flying with oxygen masks. I don’t know, the Schweinfurt-Regensburg mission was depicted a bit more muted than what I expected it to be - like the results were on target, balanced out the losses, and didn’t setback the 8ths strength as much.
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