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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: trogdor on December 30, 2023, 01:35:24 PM
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I think eliminating in-flight kill messages might reduce some of the ch200 flak. It would also keep kill messages from giving away your precise position to the enemy. (you can always still go look at the 'last killed/killed by' list in the scores if you MUST know)
I'd rather just see the victories count on landing.
What do you think, AH?
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They could still be visible for the killer himself, as landing one wheel 1/4 inch out of the runway gives "you ditched" instead of landed kill.
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That's how it used to be, only landings: plane type and number >2 kills - not sure when the live tally kill msgs were added. We also used to be able to squelch ch1 and then ch6 (the landed msgs).
Even if we went back to that, people would still get individual system msgs about who they shot down or shot them down, including proxies and collisions. This suggestion just removes the public announcement(s).
ch200 has always been somewhat rowdy - but it seems more manbaby snowflakes are in a rush to make it weaksauce these days.
And external comms are still a thing for those who utilize them for whatever purpose.
But imho there will be no broad tweaks to what currently works - only adding things that are known to work, skins and new maps. Beyond that, I'm not sure we'll see anything.
There are a few adjustable arena settings that could satisfy some existng requests... there are also other settings that may not be readily available thru the clipboard - the kill msgs a may be a setting ,or it might have been hard coded when updates and revisions were more frequent.
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Every since the kill spam was turned on it has been requested to have a way to turn it off, however, the "right" people have not yet made the request so it hasn't happened.
In my opinion much of the 200 "spam" is because there is no way to message someone directly. I can send a private message to a player and tell them "nice fight" or something along those lines. I have no choice but to add to the 200 spam and hope that they are actually tuned to 200.
The only explanation I can come up with is that all this spam is intentional to make it seem that there is a lot going on in the game. Having the ability to turn off the spam personally would still allow the spam for all the others who enjoy it. Maybe find one of those guys who will be listened to and have them request it?
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Well to be clear, the game started with kill for kill messages being posted. IIRC it also listed the plane the killer was flying.
I like the messages, it makes the arena look a little more "busy".
I also don't mind the additional attention. If you want to use the buffer to get additional intelligence on my location, you probably need it.
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Every since the kill spam was turned on it has been requested to have a way to turn it off, however, the "right" people have not yet made the request so it hasn't happened.
In my opinion much of the 200 "spam" is because there is no way to message someone directly. I can send a private message to a player and tell them "nice fight" or something along those lines. I have no choice but to add to the 200 spam and hope that they are actually tuned to 200.
The only explanation I can come up with is that all this spam is intentional to make it seem that there is a lot going on in the game. Having the ability to turn off the spam personally would still allow the spam for all the others who enjoy it. Maybe find one of those guys who will be listened to and have them request it?
The kill messages were added when HTC decided that it would help new players stay excided about the game. Seeing your name in lights is a big motivator in playing the game. It is usually the first "goal" most shoot for. For the longest time the only way was to get 2 kills AND land them. This makes it a bit easier to get your name in lights as all you need now is a kill.
The cross channel PMs were shut down due to too many players harassing players on other teams. Sure you get the popup window asking if you want to accept the PM but new players were still having issues, so HTC decided to shut it down. Seeing as what we have here on the BBS with some of these overboard posters loose in the game would reek havoc causing all kinds of trouble.
As for "the "right" people have not yet made the request" thats just BS. In the 20+ years I have been here the ideas that get in are well thought out ideas that cant have holes poked into them. Saying "turn off the kill messages" isnt a well thought out idea. WHY turn it off? What are the consequences both good and bad of turning them off? Will the good far outweigh the bad or not? All of these have to be answered and if any push towards the side hurting the game or pushing away players then it isnt going to get added. I very much doubt it has anything to do with who made the suggestion.
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Saying "turn off the kill messages" isnt a well thought out idea. WHY turn it off? What are the consequences both good and bad of turning them off? Will the good far outweigh the bad or not? All of these have to be answered and if any push towards the side hurting the game or pushing away players then it isnt going to get added. I very much doubt it has anything to do with who made the suggestion.
I do no reason an individual should not have the option to turn off their kill messages. I never said turn them off for everybody. If you like the spam, you should be able to enjoy it. Having to scroll through a bunch of kill messages that I could care less about to see who it was that I got a kill on 10 minutes ago because I'm finally in a safe enough space to be able to send a salute is not my idea of useful or helpful. It's obvious that you're going to defend whatever happens. If HT decides to them off you will be the one defending them being turned off. Some of us have opinions of our own on things :)
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I think there needs to be a way for players to turn them off individually. They do sometimes get in the way.
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I think there needs to be a way for players to turn them off individually. They do sometimes get in the way.
I thought you could turn off system messages already?
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I thought you could turn off system messages already?
They want to keep the existing system messages and block just the kill messages.
While I agree with the original idea behind this, I think newbs will take a while before figuring out how to turn them off. By the time they do, the newb has probably already decided to subscribe.
Long time players don't need to be sold. If they chose to, and were experienced enough to know how to turn it off, and care, then why not let them turn it off.
Best of both worlds. Conveys activity to the newb, gets out of the way of the veteran.
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I thought you could turn off system messages already?
Yes you can turn off system messages. Unfortunately it turns off ALL messages, base captures, warnings and the like.
You can also split all system messages off to a second text window. You can keep the second window scaled down to a single line and just like the text does now flip it open with a tap of a switch.
I do no reason an individual should not have the option to turn off their kill messages. I never said turn them off for everybody. If you like the spam, you should be able to enjoy it. Having to scroll through a bunch of kill messages that I could care less about to see who it was that I got a kill on 10 minutes ago because I'm finally in a safe enough space to be able to send a salute is not my idea of useful or helpful. It's obvious that you're going to defend whatever happens. If HT decides to them off you will be the one defending them being turned off. Some of us have opinions of our own on things :)
Personally I dont care if we have them or not (like we didnt have them years ago) I just adapt and play the game. Im just trying to give you the information. Maybe you should just stick with DCS. Obviously that game is much better than this one.
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Maybe you should just stick with DCS. Obviously that game is much better than this one.
This is priceless... I have never played DCS....
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Every since the kill spam was turned on it has been requested to have a way to turn it off, however, the "right" people have not yet made the request so it hasn't happened.
In my opinion much of the 200 "spam" is because there is no way to message someone directly. I can send a private message to a player and tell them "nice fight" or something along those lines. I have no choice but to add to the 200 spam and hope that they are actually tuned to 200.
The only explanation I can come up with is that all this spam is intentional to make it seem that there is a lot going on in the game. Having the ability to turn off the spam personally would still allow the spam for all the others who enjoy it. Maybe find one of those guys who will be listened to and have them request it?
What is it with you and this issue, I have no idea what you are referring to. I am not aware of any one with special privileges. Who might they be, pray tell. :rolleyes:
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This is priceless... I have never played DCS....
LoL. Fugi is another one of those that thinks they have been left in charge around here. You dared to have an opinion without getting his permission first.
A player level option to filter out the kill messages out of the system messages would be a perfectly reasonable compromise that couldn't possibly be overly difficult to implement. Another checkmark in the user settings.
There is a similar precedent in the chan 200. To maximize the appeal to new players, hide the ugliness of chan 200 until the player learns enough to figure out how to tune to it. By then, if they are going to subscribe, the sale has already been made. Meanwhile, vets are free to tune to it if they are in to that sort of thing.
In this case, by default the kill messages would be enabled to give the maximum impression of activity to a potential customer. However, once they have learned enough to figure out how to turn it off, they are probably at the level they don't need further convincing and the setting will allow the vet to tune out the noise if they prefer.
Both use cases can be satisfied with a minimal feature.
You of course won't get it, but not because it isn't a reasonable compromise or it being too difficult to implement.
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What is it with you and this issue, I have no idea what you are referring to. I am not aware of any one with special privileges. Who might they be, pray tell. :rolleyes:
In my opinion, based on my experience, there could be an issue that many want changed and nothing happens over a long period of time.
Someone (I don't recall any specific names) will say. "I'll call Dale about it" and bam! The next day the thing that has been asked for for the last 6 months suddenly changes. Coincidence? Maybe. Seems to have happened to often for me to think so.
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You of course won't get it, but not because it isn't a reasonable compromise or it being too difficult to implement.
Unless you can get somebody who has Dales ear to recommend it. :bolt:
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I don't particularly like the kill counter. It defeats the purpose of being strategic in the sense that I know who it is who just got a kill on my friendly and can set up accordingly if needed. This means they can do the same for me, and use it to hunt and gang once they know it's me. While I do like that it adds some notice that things are going on on the map, i feel like from a strategy standpoint it's not good. It also does clog up the comms screen and shows everyone who killed you, which for some may turn them off.
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I do no reason an individual should not have the option to turn off their kill messages. I never said turn them off for everybody. If you like the spam, you should be able to enjoy it. Having to scroll through a bunch of kill messages that I could care less about to see who it was that I got a kill on 10 minutes ago because I'm finally in a safe enough space to be able to send a salute is not my idea of useful or helpful. It's obvious that you're going to defend whatever happens. If HT decides to them off you will be the one defending them being turned off. Some of us have opinions of our own on things :)
Turn of which display
1. The display of other peoples kills on your system.
2. Turn of your kills displayed to others?
HiTech
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Turn of which display
1. The display of other peoples kills on your system.
2. Turn of your kills displayed to others?
HiTech
It would be number 1.
The ability to not display the kills of others on your local system. You would only see the damage/kills you made on your local system. (the was it was before the kills were broadcast)
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If you chose not to see a kill by kill buffer, you'd be at a disadvantage against guys that are using it.
If I can cursor over a map and know roughly what friendlies I have in an area, I'll have a good idea who my opponents are based on the buffer. Keep in mind I separate my chat buffer and system messages buffer. I can decide what I want to see.
I see pros and cons to both ways.
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I'm not arguing that some won't want to use it. I just think it would be nice for the people who see it as spam to turn it off on their computer.
The whole point is that turning it off would only affect you. Nobody else would even know.
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I'm not arguing that some won't want to use it. I just think it would be nice for the people who see it as spam to turn it off on their computer.
The whole point is that turning it off would only affect you. Nobody else would even know.
I very much agree with this. The kill spam means I have to have 2 windows, one for system messages which I only need the ones to me only (gun destroyed, hanger destroyed etc) and another for communication with other players. Much better to have one window for both. We cannot do that now because the kill spam fills the window in a few seconds. Just make it an option.
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I very much like it as an option vs mandatory. I might be in the rare case I like it as it gives an over all at who I’m facing and what to expect on a limited basis. But that’s more on knowledge of general opponents and the odds of them being in a particular ride so I set myself up accordingly in some circumstances. Might be a little games but I’m just using what I have available.
In the grand scheme of things tho sometimes it does get chaotic especially when semi important conversations are being held lol.
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I have the messages broken out into two windows..
I like the messages in AH much better than what is provided in IL2 or DCS
Same with the verbal messages...ah is best there too
Eagler
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I have the messages broken out into two windows..
I like the messages in AH much better than what is provided in IL2 or DCS
Same with the verbal messages...ah is best there too
Eagler
Best way to do it
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Turn of which display
1. The display of other peoples kills on your system.
2. Turn of your kills displayed to others?
I'd go further than what's being proposed here and suggest if a player turns off kill messages then he doesn't get them and anyone who shoots him down just gets a "Kill recorded" message or some other anonymous System message also. If anyone really wants to know who it was they can look at their film. If you think about it the live, in-game kill message is either used to Salute (pretty rare now), gloat or locate where that person was flying for players holding grudges. Hard to see the positive contribution to gameplay.
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The kill message system in AH has always been great. Never understood the want to disable it for everyone. The squad likes the kill messages so much we have found mods to produce similar messages in other games.
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At least they turned off the oinks. :D
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I like seeing the kill messages, and sometimes text out a 'WTG' on a good run. I like options also.
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Lets not confuse the two messages......
Kill message...
HOST: "Fugitive shot down XXXXX Kill #1"
Landing message...
"Fugitive landed 3 victories in a P-47N of the Sick Puppies MWK"
The first one, the kill message, makes it very easy to see where an enemy player is and makes it easy to hunt them down if that is your plan. Removing those messages would go a long way to avoiding some of the aggravation some players having been harassed in the game. Removing this message would clear up that issue a bit.
The landing message is the one that should stay. When HTC turned on the "kill messages" it was for the "new guys" to see their name in lights because getting 2 kills AND surviving takes a lot more experience it was hoped they may get more excited and hang around longer seeing the kill message. The landing message is the real "Name in Lights" thing and builds a positive community with the <S> it draws for a good run.
Id like to see the kill message reduced to just a host message to the killer (You have shot down XXXXX) and the killeee (you were shot down by XXXXX). As the numbers grow.... we hope.... the "spam" of the kill messages is going to clutter up the message windows more and more.
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The first one, the kill message, makes it very easy to see where an enemy player is and makes it easy to hunt them down if that is your plan. Removing those messages would go a long way to avoiding some of the aggravation some players having been harassed in the game. Removing this message would clear up that issue a bit.
First of all-What's up Fugi! Second, this sounds more like a player problem and less like a game mechanics problem. Unfortunately we have a shrinking population that tends to enhance the problem as it is more readily apparent when someone is being a dork. The other thing that makes this worse is Hitech welcoming back players that behave this way. It saddens me brother! OINK
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It should be optional or able to be tailored. I like to see kill messages. Like if a fellow rook is on a run in something they may not be able to land it. It’s nice to see it as it’s happening so you can cheer them on or help out.
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The kill messages are fine, IMHO. I've always thought that it was a mistake to announce that "So-and-so landed two kills in a Spitfire 16," (choose the player and plane you like). I think it promotes the wrong kind of game play.
BUT: After 20+ years, I've learned to live with it.
- oldman
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The kill messages are fine, IMHO. I've always thought that it was a mistake to announce that "So-and-so landed two kills in a Spitfire 16," (choose the player and plane you like). I think it promotes the wrong kind of game play.
BUT: After 20+ years, I've learned to live with it.
- oldman
we are supposed to land? :headscratch: :rofl