It is an issue that needs a humane solution while remembering that all of our ancestors were illegal immigrants to this continent.
Back then they also came here to work their bellybutton off just to make a living to have shelter and support themselves/family. Now they come here and say "Give me everything for free (which they DO get everything for free as the current agenda dictates)
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Busher on January 19, 2024, 07:06:11 PM
Back then they also came here to work their bellybutton off just to make a living to have shelter and support themselves/family. Now they come here and say "Give me everything for free (which they DO get everything for free as the current agenda dictates)
I rarely find general observations about people (or a people) to be accurate; and usually only serve to promote a political agenda.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 19, 2024, 07:25:23 PM
I disagree, your term "illegal" is not applicable to the European or any other settlers of the 1600's. :rock
Oh really? So all the Europeans that came to North America and laid claim to land that did not belong to them had the right to do so? To move native Americans off their land and relegate them to reservations? And if they fought back they were labeled as savages? No question, we have a proud history.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Professor_Fate on January 19, 2024, 08:41:00 PM
It is not illegal immigration if they are met at the border and processed then shipped off to some democrat dystopian socialist city by lawful authority. It’s only illegal if they attempt to evade the law.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Busher on January 19, 2024, 10:31:06 PM
It is not illegal immigration if they are met at the border and processed then shipped off to some democrat dystopian socialist city by lawful authority. It’s only illegal if they attempt to evade the law.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Seems the old girl's time has come and gone. Well Someone will get a good buck for all that copper.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 19, 2024, 11:31:03 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Seems the old girl's time has come and gone. Well Someone will get a good buck for all that copper.
I would say, those came legally. I have no problem with legal immigration.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 20, 2024, 12:28:20 AM
It's true. Every human alive is descended from a tribe somewhere that rampaged over to another tribe, killed them, and took all their stuff and the land.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Eagler on January 20, 2024, 06:48:26 AM
If the reasons for this illegal invasion were soley to escape the 3rd world crime and corruption .. all of which is exploding in the United States...then I would say maybe let the women and children in but it seems the majority of these criminals are young men..
The drugs and trafficking alone should be enough to stop this insanity not to mention the pollution and filth left behind as they shed their trash along the way..
And there are 1000's more on the way..2024 will be a bumper crop of them as it might the last year for this nonsense if we get someone who returns the border to a secure state...as secure as it can be..as they have always snuck in, its the free stuff and bus ride to the hotel or school gym that is new.
Eagler
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: SIM on January 20, 2024, 08:11:30 AM
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Seems the old girl's time has come and gone. Well Someone will get a good buck for all that copper.
And even then ILLEGAL immigration was a crime. I have no pity or consideration for anyone who crosses the border illegally. That person and all with them are criminals from the moment they crossed the border other than legally.
I have door locks on my homes doors, my guns are loaded and ready for whatever comes.
If you favor the illegals, leave your windows and doors standing open. Place your valuables where they can be freely taken by whomever crosses the threshold into your home. Allow the illegals to live off your endeavours, not their own.
But do not cry when it happens, you invited the actions of the illegals. Do not whine when the illegals cause you harm or loss, for your "concern" allowed them to thrive.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Eagler on January 20, 2024, 08:54:35 AM
And this illegal immigration is happening globally
You have to wonder why
Eagler
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Maverick on January 20, 2024, 09:44:08 AM
In before the inevitable lock. Seriously if you wanted to have a real discussion you need to take it to the other site for AH reprobates, ice cream on mars. There it won't be shut down and those who want to discuss it can do so. Having lived in a border state all of my life and having to deal with the issue both professionally and afterwards I understand it more than most in the heartland areas.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: GasTeddy on January 20, 2024, 09:49:15 AM
And this illegal immigration is happening globally
You have to wonder why
Eagler
Bullseye. Seen lots of similar videos filmed in hotels, cafes and border checkpoints.
EU has member states with certain agenda governments claiming they are needed because a lack of workforce... While having thousands and thousands native jobseekers...
And I as EU citizen could answer the question "why" but the truth is illegal in this context.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Peabody on January 20, 2024, 02:43:49 PM
And this illegal immigration is happening globally si=Vrxs9YVMmHvYPww8[/youtube]
You have to wonder why
Eagler
And there we have, the whole real story. No usa president is responsible for global immigration fad. People running from horror. Of course, most marshmallow Americans haven’t experienced, that yet, therefore their imagination dances in the moonlight and wolves.. Thats said, its time for clamps in all directions to weed out the rags. Americans are so tv and pc they have slim reality. We are ALL ascendents of immigrants s. In 1732 my immigrant ancestors married a Cherokee woman, later given an American name of Maria .from that point on fought every single major war to date. Including, but not limited t, the revolution, civil, WWI, WWII, Korea, Nam, Gulf and Iraq, Afghanistan. I have all the documents. My bro in law is half Cherokee. And we fought for freedom to complain. Legal good, illegal bad. .i can only hope people become more worldly and understand true human nature , while we all watch cable news drips who are the softest misguided marshmallows..orange Jesus came frim immigrants of Scotland, his wife is sn immigrant. Legal good, illegal bad. Guess who hates all immigrants more. The people we pillaged and stole all theur land from, and complain about immigrants. That said, i sgree. No more anyone. We sht in our own yards. And claim righteous.
All that said the party on the right just declined the biggest immigration policy ever written, and complain about immigration. Ya can’t write this bs.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Shuffler on January 21, 2024, 03:02:12 AM
It is an issue that needs a humane solution while remembering that all of our ancestors were illegal immigrants to this continent.
That’s a load of bull poop, my grand parents to came to this country legally looking for jobs not handouts.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 21, 2024, 08:45:58 AM
People like Busher love their Identured servants. Then down the road. His party can use them as a victim class to push their "muh equality" agenda. It's all great and we'll until they move into his backyard and start committing crimes and pushing drugs and stealing tax dollars his own citizens should be receiving.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: sparky127 on January 21, 2024, 09:43:24 AM
"Hooz gonna pick yer lettuce!!?/1"
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Professor_Fate on January 21, 2024, 09:51:50 AM
Or dig the cobalt. Years ago the UN reported climate change had caused slavery to skyrocket. My initial reaction was like you got to be kidding, but they were right. You should see the devastation to human life and the environment caused so activists can pat themselves on the back saving the planet. It’s horrifying.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Maverick on January 21, 2024, 10:23:11 AM
Pretty much the entire "green" concept is nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme. Substituting one con for another as long as the public remains rooted in the emotional appeal. The carbon credit concept that was the rage and greatly promoted by kerry was a classic example of that. The concept hearkens back to the middle ages when a person's sins could be forgiven with an adequate donation to the proper ecclesiastical authority.
The climate is changing fantasy has been ongoing for decades as I remember the "scientists" claiming that the world was slipping into a global mini ice age due to the carbon and C O 2 being dumped into the atmosphere by internal combustion engines and power plants, the combination of gas and solids causing less sunlight to reach the ground. The ice age was expected to happen by or before the year 2000. I recall it as I was in high school at the time and our primary Biology / science teacher Dr Taylor was an adherent of the claims. One of the solutions was to rise the temperature of the oceans just by a couple degrees (F). I think it was in popular mechanics that I read a theory that it would take all of the globes factories and tech to dump their heat in the oceans for at least a couple of decades for that to happen since the oceans were a "giant heat sink". He did make what to us sounded like cogent arguments to support the claims. Time has not borne out the claims then or even now.
I am all for technology to make changes in how we live but just like the ICE vehicles replacing the horse for transportation, the tech has to prove itself in a competitive nature to the population that is a better concept than what we have now. I plain language in a free society the public has to embrace the change because it makes better economic sense in a competitive market, NOT a mandated one by an elite ruling class.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Busher on January 21, 2024, 10:56:52 AM
People like Busher love their Identured servants. Then down the road. His party can use them as a victim class to push their "muh equality" agenda. It's all great and we'll until they move into his backyard and start committing crimes and pushing drugs and stealing tax dollars his own citizens should be receiving.
It's quite impressive how one person can convince so many that all illegal immigrants are criminals. There isn't a single family running from tyranny seeking freedom and opportunity. Oh and I almost forgot, "this vermin is fouling the blood of America".
Be happy though Q-boy, they certainly don't want to live where you do. There are no backyards in RABBITHOLES.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 21, 2024, 11:29:45 AM
It's quite impressive how one person can convince so many that all illegal immigrants are criminals. There isn't a single family running from tyranny seeking freedom and opportunity. Oh and I almost forgot, "this vermin is fouling the blood of America".
Be happy though Q-boy, they certainly don't want to live where you do. There are no backyards in RABBITHOLES.
Isn't it strange how the corruption these folks are running from is the same corruption all leftest create in their countries? Thus creating more people fleeing from corruption to more conservatively free countries. Once america becomes left like those countries, then where are people going to flee to?
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Eagler on January 21, 2024, 01:18:48 PM
It's quite impressive how one person can convince so many that all illegal immigrants are criminals. There isn't a single family running from tyranny seeking freedom and opportunity. Oh and I almost forgot, "this vermin is fouling the blood of America".
Be happy though Q-boy, they certainly don't want to live where you do. There are no backyards in RABBITHOLES.
Crossing the border illegally means you are breaking the law..
Breaking the law makes you a criminal ...
Sorry but for every woman and child shown crossing the border with what looks like new clothes , some with cellphones- I see 100 young men needed in their country if they ever want to make their country great again...
All for legal immigration as that is what has made this country what it is today...
Speak to the 10's of 1000's of Indian software developers trying to get citizenship legally in this country what they think about this sneaky corrupt illegal immigration...
The ones I spoke to can't believe it...
Eagler
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: TryHard on January 21, 2024, 01:52:09 PM
It's quite impressive how one person can convince so many that all illegal immigrants are criminals. There isn't a single family running from tyranny seeking freedom and opportunity. Oh and I almost forgot, "this vermin is fouling the blood of America".
Be happy though Q-boy, they certainly don't want to live where you do. There are no backyards in RABBITHOLES.
Because those who jump borders illegally should not be prosecuted for it while the people waiting YEARS to do it the right way can wait. If I don't pay my taxes I am a criminal and the IRS will pull their van up to my house and take all my stuff. Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, I say turn em over to the IRS.
Oh and anyone who disagrees must be a Trump supporter and "Q-boy" right? They're just looking for better life, the Chinese nationals that somehow end up in Mexico and those mean white people just don't like them.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 21, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
I have left-leaning pals who are good at heart. They do things based on whether or not step 1 (of a proposed solution to a problem) seems compassionate. They do not have a good practical grasp on how the real world works. And they either do not consider full chains of resulting consequences, or they consider in their minds how a thing will play out, but their mental model of how things work out is impractical and divergent from how things actually work out.
As a result, they push for policies that in the full chain of consequences are disasters.
An example of chain of thought from left-leaning pals. People become criminals because of growing up in bad environments. (I don't have a problem with this first step. But let's keep going.) Since what environment one grows up in is not under one's control, being a criminal is not the criminal's fault. In fact, the criminal is a victim of bad circumstances. And you don't punish victims. Therefore, criminals shouldn't be prosecuted. You should have government-run aid programs and government-provided community counselors instead. It's the wrong direction to have police being harsh on those victims. If a victim steals a bit from a store, maybe it's because that person has to eat and has to feed a family. What would you do if you were starving or your family were starving? You shouldn't put people in jail for doing things they are forced by circumstances to do. There shouldn't be punishment for stealing up to some point.
So, this chain of reasoning starts from a point of compassion. And ends up in disaster. Because they didn't consider or believe that, if you put in place a system that doesn't punish theft, as result #2, you will get rampant theft. And if you have rampant theft, as result #3, every shop and store will move out of an area. And if every store and shop moves out of an area, as result #4, you have no stores, which makes it a worse place to live. And result #5, if you have fewer jobs in the area, it makes it a worse place to live. And as result #6, if it's a worse place to live, people who can move out do move out, while people who have more problems stay. And as result #7, if you have that dynamic, you end up creating more people in the situation you are trying to help in step #1. You created a doom loop.
Add in corruption at the top (those who might know a thing will be a disaster, but promote it anyway for money or votes or power), and you have what leads to the Detroitification of your once-great city. I'm sensitive to this, as I grew up near Detroit and saw what happened to what was once America's thriving 5th largest city, full of prosperity, jobs, and well integrated.
You can Detroitify cities through this process.
You can Detroitify companies through this process.
You can Detroitify nations through this process.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 21, 2024, 02:42:43 PM
The process I talk about above has analogs in the problems of homelessness, illegal immigration, economic policy, regulation, etc.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: AKIron on January 21, 2024, 10:39:26 PM
Apparently there are many cities in this country inviting illegal immigrants with open arms. Abbott is helping them get there. Other governors in the border states being inundated should roll their busses too. A few thousand down, millions to go. Get ready NYC, Chicago, etc....
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Busher on January 21, 2024, 10:49:26 PM
Maybe to take this conversation on a new track, I would personally be interested to know the plan going forward.
Regime's change from time to time and when this happens in a way that is more suitable for you, I would be keen to know the changes you would like to see. You can no doubt appreciate that left-wing, woke, liberal trade unionists like me will likely face significant life changes. Please share your visions for what that might be. Notice I did not mention my race.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: AKIron on January 21, 2024, 11:04:28 PM
If you live in a sanctuary city be prepared to have a LOT more competition for your jobs and public resources. You asked for it.
That part is already a done deal. Wouldn't matter if the borders were sealed tight tomorrow. You're going to get them by the hundreds of thousands you already welcomed.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 22, 2024, 01:04:30 AM
Maybe to take this conversation on a new track, I would personally be interested to know the plan going forward.
Regime's change from time to time and when this happens in a way that is more suitable for you, I would be keen to know the changes you would like to see. You can no doubt appreciate that left-wing, woke, liberal trade unionists like me will likely face significant life changes. Please share your visions for what that might be. Notice I did not mention my race.
Howdy, Busher.
I don't know that there would be a lot of changes for you with regard to trade unions, your job, your rights, etc. Other than right-leaning folks are generally against unions being able to force employees to pay fees or force employees to join. That might affect you if it were to change those policies where you work.
Changes would be more at the federal level. Less illegal immigration, higher border enforcement, less prevalence of government and big companies hiring based on race or ideological pledges, stronger action on fentanyl supply, perhaps somewhat lower taxes on the middle class, repeal of some regulations (such as on oil drilling, pipelines, ability for US to sell natural gas, various reporting things which might have a big impact on the small businessman or entrepreneur). Perhaps somewhat less censorship on places like Youtube. Changes in staff in government agencies, which is usual as each side puts in its folks. No national digital currency.
We could see pardoning of some Jan 6 people, legal investigations of government officials accused of wrongdoing (Hunter Biden, Mayorkas, Fauci), which you might see as political persecution, but right-leaning folks would see as going after corruption and crime. Maybe more information and charges related to Epstein. Maybe pardoning of Assange and Snowden.
We could see political fights over voting process, funding level of this or that agency, this or that regulation.
We might see less war.
I'm not sure what will happen with respect to economy. I'm not sure how anyone (other than a Milei-like character) would do what's needed to fix it. Fixing it, in my opinion, would require short-term pain for a longer-term gain. No politician on the left or right (maybe other than Rand Paul or Thomas Massie) in this country would do that.
I think the amount of wokeness we have in media and education will go down. That's not controlled federally, though.
We might get battling over a federal preclusion of abortion after some number of weeks, but maybe not. A lot of people, and not just on the left, feel that's not for the federal government to decide.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: MiloMorai on January 22, 2024, 09:46:20 AM
They are not illegal when they apply for asylum.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Maverick on January 22, 2024, 10:00:56 AM
If they illegally cross the border before filing for asylum, they are illegal aliens. There are US embassies in the countries they passed through where asylum seekers are supposed to stop and make the claim.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Professor_Fate on January 22, 2024, 12:00:54 PM
If they illegally cross the border before filing for asylum, they are illegal aliens. There are US embassies in the countries they passed through where asylum seekers are supposed to stop and make the claim.
True, but only seems to apply to those crossing the southern border.
On Aug. 3, 2023, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit issued a stay of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California’s order in East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 18-cv-06810 (N.D. Cal.), vacating the Circumvention of Lawful Pathways (CLP) rule. At this time and while the stay remains in place, USCIS will continue to apply the CLP rule.
Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Shuffler on January 22, 2024, 12:13:40 PM
It's quite impressive how one person can convince so many that all illegal immigrants are criminals. There isn't a single family running from tyranny seeking freedom and opportunity. Oh and I almost forgot, "this vermin is fouling the blood of America".
Be happy though Q-boy, they certainly don't want to live where you do. There are no backyards in RABBITHOLES.
All illegals are criminals. They become a criminals when they break the law coming across illegally. It is actually the first thing they do entering the country.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: GasTeddy on January 22, 2024, 12:16:07 PM
All illegals are criminals. They become a criminals when they break the law coming across illegally. It is actually the first thing they do entering the country.
Yes, but if they know magic word "asylum" (https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/affirmative-asylum-frequently-asked-questions/questions-and-answers-affirmative-asylum-eligibility-and-applications), they surprisingly can stay.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Tumor on January 22, 2024, 12:26:45 PM
An example of chain of thought from left-leaning pals. People become criminals because of growing up in bad environments. (I don't have a problem with this first step. But let's keep going.) Since what environment one grows up in is not under one's control, being a criminal is not the criminal's fault. In fact, the criminal is a victim of bad circumstances. And you don't punish victims.
"I may have done stupid things and broken some laws, but I an NOT a criminal" :bolt:
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 22, 2024, 03:09:55 PM
In 2023, there were 3.6 million "encounters". "Encounters" are people crossing the border who are apprehended by US Border Patrol. If they aren't apprehended, it isn't counted as an "encounter". Thus, the number of people crossing into the US is likely substantially larger than that. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters
In 2023, there were 800,000 asylum seekers. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/us/politics/migrant-crisis-border-asylum.html
In recent years, 40% of asylum applications are approved. So of those 800,000 asylum seekers, 320,000 are actual asylees. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-seek-asylum-in-the-us/
Thus, in 2023, there were more than 3.2 million illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 22, 2024, 03:39:33 PM
Or, if you don't like the term "illegal immigrant", just focus on illegal aliens. They are ones who are neither asylum seekers nor granted asylum. There are substantially more than zero illegal aliens in the US, and that number is increasing monthly in a substantial way.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Meatwad on January 22, 2024, 06:40:13 PM
Cant call them illegal aliens anymore cause it might hurt their feelings. And we cant have THAT! Surprised someone hasnt made another illegal executive order to call them "wandering travelers" or something pretty
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: guncrasher on January 22, 2024, 09:22:01 PM
I broke the law but I am not a criminal. I paid my due. most guys here.
semp
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Shuffler on January 22, 2024, 10:47:32 PM
My only hope is that the criminals, those that help them, and all their families are their victims, and not some innocent folks.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Eagler on January 23, 2024, 08:17:27 AM
You were a criminal when you broke the law just like the illegal immigrants are doing now..
They aren't arrested nor punished - no one is for this crime - but instead are rewarded
Just like wars around the globe, we can't afford to cloth, house and feed the globes poor and or lazy
And not all of us have arrest records...sorry
Eagler
sarcasm went by you. you guys break laws on a daily basis, but like to point fingers.
semp
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: TWCAxew on January 23, 2024, 01:45:03 PM
We have the same thing going on in Europe and to be fair I don't know what stance I should take. I think this is a very hard topic and there are no right choices.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 23, 2024, 02:06:44 PM
you guys break laws on a daily basis, but like to point fingers.
Are you implying that, because some people have driven over the speed limit, they should not express any desire for the borders to be enforced?
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: AKIron on January 23, 2024, 02:18:15 PM
Funny how those in self-declared Sanctuary Cities made it about racism when the border states complained about the lack of border enforcement yet are crying loudly now that they've gotten a small taste and realize it's not about race.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Brooke on January 23, 2024, 02:52:54 PM
We have the same thing going on in Europe and to be fair I don't know what stance I should take. I think this is a very hard topic and there are no right choices.
Countries that don't enforce their borders tend to get subsumed. That is true historically and, because of human nature, seems like it will remain the case.
A more-detailed analysis with respect to modern Europe: The Strange Death of Europe, by Murray https://a.co/d/ap02d6D
My feeling is that there are regions that once had great vigor. Where people had the fire to thrive and populate their lands. But now whose people have become diffident, with vigor drained away. They are like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. No more fire for such things. They receded and faded away. The land went to those who still had desire to thrive, to move in, to populate, and to take over.
I am hoping Europeans don't go the way of the Elves.
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: guncrasher on January 23, 2024, 03:27:31 PM
Are you implying that, because some people have driven over the speed limit, they should not express any desire for the borders to be enforced?
nope I didnt say that. what I said is almost everybody break the law on a daily basis but like to point fingers at others and call them criminals. that's the irony.
semp
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Eagler on January 23, 2024, 04:03:34 PM
I think it's about keeping the tax base profitable regardless how much it costs lol
As mentioned with Idiocracy going full steam, intelligent couples don't have the desire to breed new life and have a better time with a couple of pets...maybe one kid
This doesn't pay the tax bills so we replace the native population with these immigrants and hope they somehow become productive and contributing citizens of the country they broke the law to get into...
Military needs fit bodies they cannot find when the majority of the native population is obese and cannot pass the entry exam for one reason or another...
Let's hope that works out that way .. I have my doubts
Eagler
Title: Re: Illegal Immigration
Post by: -gg- on January 23, 2024, 04:11:09 PM
nope I didnt say that. what I said is almost everybody break the law on a daily basis but like to point fingers at others and call them criminals. that's the irony.
semp
yeah. When I witness a crime and criminals doing crime, I like to point fingers