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Title: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 20, 2024, 03:02:23 PM
In days long ago, for scenarios seen now through the mists of time, we once created embroidered patches for each one.

To commemorate the fire and valor of our scenario pilots.

To commemorate our glorious battles, long remembered.

To bring to thought, in conversations with beloved comrades and noble foes of the past:  "I was there."

We will make patches once again for Masters of the Air.

To do this, we ask players to make designs.  And we ask players to vote and to pick which they like best from among those candidates.

Then I get them made, mail them out to all scenario participants who want one, and ask for donations to defray cost.  I will do this again.

Here, my friends, are examples of patches from those days gone by, to inspire your creations.

(https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/rangoon42/pics/rangoonPatchScan200.jpg)  (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200710_derGrosseSchlag/pics/dgsPatchScan200.jpg)  (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchScan200.jpg)  (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/coral_sea/pics/coralSeaPatchScan200.jpg)  (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/redStorm_PatchScan200.png) 
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 20, 2024, 03:04:01 PM
Players, please here submit your suggestions for patches.

Suggestions are graphical mock ups you make, so that folks can see what you have in mind.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Dadtallica on January 20, 2024, 03:13:01 PM
Way cool!  :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: fuzeman on January 20, 2024, 03:28:01 PM
I had thought about patches but knowing all the work you’ve been putting into this I didn’t want to add to it. I’ll throw a $20 in the fund raising bin.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: xanax on January 20, 2024, 05:10:51 PM
This is very cool Brooke!

I can't contribute anything as I don't have any creativity whatsoever. I will gladly contribute monetarily however.

I guess I could draw up something but I think stick figures and airplanes drawn with the skill of an average 4th-grader wouldn't make the cut. I've seen some of these other dudes in here do some cool stuff though.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: swareiam on January 20, 2024, 05:42:28 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Baloo on January 20, 2024, 05:44:51 PM
 :aok Very awesome!
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: ZE on January 20, 2024, 08:34:08 PM
Just amazing !!! great job...  :salute :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: mERv on January 20, 2024, 10:44:08 PM
I like that one :old:
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: KCDitto on January 20, 2024, 11:23:12 PM
I still have some of mine...

This is way cool Brooke

I to will contribute some cash but have zero talent for movie posters   :D
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Eagler on January 21, 2024, 06:53:12 AM
Nice!

Let me know the PayPal account I can donate to

Thanks!

Eagler
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Luft on January 21, 2024, 11:57:07 AM
Excellent idea Brooke.

To save time, an AI art generator with the right keywords might just make a nice patch.
Here are some INCORRECT SAMPLES to show what can be down in 15 seconds.
Luft

https://www.bing.com/images/create (https://www.bing.com/images/create)
https://postimg.cc/gallery/nqTnjJM (https://postimg.cc/gallery/nqTnjJM)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 21, 2024, 03:02:32 PM
I've tried some AI graphics programs.

The problem I run into is that the ones I use don't do well on more-precise descriptions, especially including things like aircraft.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 21, 2024, 03:11:54 PM
NM.

Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: SKOzone on January 21, 2024, 04:29:50 PM
Happy to contribute cash.

SKOzone
Skyknights Bomber Group
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DaCoon on January 25, 2024, 12:45:24 AM
while my artistic and creative skills suck at best, I will more than happily kick in for the cost of the production run.     :salute  :cheers: :airplane:
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on January 25, 2024, 02:26:13 PM
I'll throw the first patch...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53487306693_f4fb7dd1fa_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/2puuqNZ)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DaCoon on January 25, 2024, 05:21:39 PM
that's good pots, but I think it needs to depict the Axis as well
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Kermit de frog on January 25, 2024, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: DaCoon on January 25, 2024, 05:21:39 PM
that's good pots, but I think it needs to depict the Axis as well

To the victor, go the spoils :D
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on January 25, 2024, 08:20:12 PM
Quote from: DaCoon on January 25, 2024, 05:21:39 PM
that's good pots, but I think it needs to depict the Axis as well
Eagle is a Luftwaffe emblem which usually contained Swastika
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53488133520_5703fa6b0f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2puyEAC)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Shuffler on January 26, 2024, 11:47:58 AM
I thought he meant the animal....  :devil
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 26, 2024, 04:56:33 PM
This design may have too many elements, or too much detail.  Designing a patch is harder than it looks.   I may be back with an alternate, simpler design.    Those previous patches were very cool-looking, esp Der Grosse Schlag and the Red Storm-Kruppes Steel. 

(https://i.imgur.com/o9hqDE5.jpg)

Brooke who do you use to create the patches?  It might help to look at their website for design guidelines?
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 26, 2024, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 26, 2024, 04:56:33 PM
Brooke who do you use to create the patches?  It might help to look at their website for design guidelines?

They don't really have guidelines that tell you much.

What you do is use some judgement, make a graphic, send it in, they render it into what it will approximately look like in stitching, you iterate that until you are happy, then you pull the trigger on a patch run.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 26, 2024, 06:54:33 PM
Here's another, simpler one, focusing on the theme of the scenario.

(https://i.imgur.com/XovoRFQ.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2024, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: oboe on January 26, 2024, 04:56:33 PM
This design may have too many elements, or too much detail.  Designing a patch is harder than it looks.   I may be back with an alternate, simpler design.    Those previous patches were very cool-looking, esp Der Grosse Schlag and the Red Storm-Kruppes Steel. 

(https://i.imgur.com/o9hqDE5.jpg)

Brooke who do you use to create the patches?  It might help to look at their website for design guidelines?
This one is superb to be honest. Not sure how easy it is to edit - but perhaps for the Luftwaffe just have the traditional WWII Balkenkreuz (https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-nf66r1574l/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/221/721/IN-23__80897.1579715806.png?c=2) ? Maybe February on the left vert side and 2024 on the right vert side? Just spitballing.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 27, 2024, 01:48:09 AM
Oboe, for the two you did, likely the words will end up having the equivalent of bigger fonts, and the outside border would be thicker.  If you look at the pictures of the patches above, check out how big various words are with respect to the patch to see what I mean.

Patches are 3" diameter.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 27, 2024, 01:51:12 AM
Folks, let's pick which of these three you guys like the best so far.

That way, the creator can focus on that in making tweaks to convert it to something that would work as a patch.

Cast a vote.  Which do you like the best?

A.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53488133520_5703fa6b0f.jpg)

B.
(https://i.imgur.com/o9hqDE5.jpg)

C.
(https://i.imgur.com/XovoRFQ.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Banshee7 on January 27, 2024, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: Brooke on January 27, 2024, 01:51:12 AM
Folks, let's pick which of these three you guys like the best so far.

That way, the creator can focus on that in making tweaks to convert it to something that would work as a patch.

Cast a vote.  Which do you like the best?

A.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53488133520_5703fa6b0f.jpg)

B.
(https://i.imgur.com/o9hqDE5.jpg)

C.
(https://i.imgur.com/XovoRFQ.png)

B for me! Although I do worry about how the detail will translate into a patch.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Eagler on January 27, 2024, 06:43:07 AM
B

Eagler
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 27, 2024, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: Spikes on January 27, 2024, 12:12:52 AM
This one is superb to be honest. Not sure how easy it is to edit - but perhaps for the Luftwaffe just have the traditional WWII Balkenkreuz (https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-nf66r1574l/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/221/721/IN-23__80897.1579715806.png?c=2) ? Maybe February on the left vert side and 2024 on the right vert side? Just spitballing.

Thanks Spikes, I can make that change, and put the design up as an alternate choice.   I'll also incorporate Brooke's suggestion of a wider outline band with a larger font.

I really thought more people would be submitting designs.   Seems like we should have a larger field to pick from.   

I think 'A' is an interesting design because the Luftwaffe and 8th AF symbols interfere with each other, visually suggesting a clash.
But not sure how the embroider machine would handle the overlapping wings.   But its a cool idea.
 

Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Lazerr on January 27, 2024, 07:40:12 AM
B
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 27, 2024, 10:24:49 AM
Here's a variation of B, based on Spikes recommendation to swap the Balkan Cross in for the Luftwaffe Eagle.  I also tried to take into account Brookes thoughts about the wider outer band and larger lettering:

(https://i.imgur.com/ouK8CV8.png)


The wider outer bands and lettering can be done for the other two sample patches also...
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on January 27, 2024, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 27, 2024, 10:24:49 AM
Here's a variation of B, based on Spikes recommendation to swap the Balkan Cross in for the Luftwaffe Eagle.  I also tried to take into account Brookes thoughts about the wider outer band and larger lettering:

(https://i.imgur.com/ouK8CV8.png)


The wider outer bands and lettering can be done for the other two sample patches also...

So far, me thinks this variation is more likely to come out in threading. Cool watching these evolve.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 27, 2024, 03:17:45 PM
Here is C. fixed with wider outline and larger text in outer ring:

(https://i.imgur.com/fBr3S7R.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: GasTeddy on January 27, 2024, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 27, 2024, 10:24:49 AM

Here's a variation of B, based on Spikes recommendation to swap the Balkan Cross in for the Luftwaffe Eagle. 


FYI, Balkenkreuz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz#:~:text=The%20Balkenkreuz%20(%20lit.,end%20of%20World%20War%20II.) translates as 'beam cross' or 'bar cross', not Balkan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Mountains).
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 27, 2024, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: GasTeddy on January 27, 2024, 03:28:36 PM
FYI, Balkenkreuz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz#:~:text=The%20Balkenkreuz%20(%20lit.,end%20of%20World%20War%20II.) translates as 'beam cross' or 'bar cross', not Balkan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Mountains).

Thank you for the correction, GasTeddy. 
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on January 27, 2024, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 27, 2024, 03:17:45 PM
Here is C. fixed with wider outline and larger text in outer ring:

(https://i.imgur.com/fBr3S7R.png)

I'm leaning towards C.
At 3" (or what ever it is) it has the least distraction from the text and seems to be as one. Ya don't have to study it. Simple is good.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: KCDitto on January 27, 2024, 04:25:00 PM
Very cool so far...

Can you add the 100th Bomb group on the tail of the 17?

Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on January 27, 2024, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: KCDitto on January 27, 2024, 04:25:00 PM
Can you add the 100th Bomb group on the tail of the 17?

Not enough resolution on patch for that at that size of tail.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on January 27, 2024, 07:17:52 PM
Possible color/ border varyation
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53490952597_d1e44d7df1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2puP7Bp)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Shuffler on January 28, 2024, 12:54:24 AM
B has the classic look.
Title: Question for Brooke
Post by: oboe on January 28, 2024, 08:13:17 AM
Do all the patch designs have to be circular?   I've been looking at patches for ideas, and there are a number of different shapes - shields, ovals, rounded rectangles, inverted triangles, etc - are we limited to a strictly circular design?

Also, what about a circular patch with additional text sections above and/or below the circle, as below:

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2f/e7/73/2fe773af52886705827b2e7f32d8f956.jpg)

Does the patch maker allow different patch shapes?
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on January 28, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
I don't think circular is necessarily required:
(https://i.ibb.co/TT08BFt/image.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: trogdor on January 28, 2024, 10:39:22 AM
B is my vote

They all look great, though! Nice job, gents.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 28, 2024, 12:08:56 PM
I just ran across a patch with pretty detailed stitching:

(https://i.imgur.com/nue6TP7.jpg)

I suppose different outfits have different capabilities, but this shows fine detail is possible.

https://www.sae-aero.fr/pour-les-pilotes/858-patch-b-17-flyingfortress-2019000015738.html (https://www.sae-aero.fr/pour-les-pilotes/858-patch-b-17-flyingfortress-2019000015738.html)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on January 28, 2024, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 26, 2024, 04:56:33 PM
This design may have too many elements, or too much detail.  Designing a patch is harder than it looks.   I may be back with an alternate, simpler design.    Those previous patches were very cool-looking, esp Der Grosse Schlag and the Red Storm-Kruppes Steel. 

(https://i.imgur.com/o9hqDE5.jpg)

Brooke who do you use to create the patches?  It might help to look at their website for design guidelines?

After staring at these. What about keeping the eagle and iron cross but with the design changes you have in the second rendition? So Smaller orange ring, February and 2024 moved to the outside, etc. I thought the Balkenkreuz would make it less 'busy', but the Luftwaffe eagle seems to blend better and having the month/year moved away helps with the busyness.

To be honest, if we want to save text space we can omit "February". It seems like more often than not the previous patches had them, but we also only run 1-2 a year now so it's a bit less important.

So top could be:
Masters of the Air

Bottom:
Aces High Scenario 2024
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Baloo on January 28, 2024, 02:42:44 PM
Some patches I found, P38 related  :D :

(https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1944/07/07/434-fighter-sq-emblem-fcec81-small.png)

(https://15thaf.org/XV%20FC/305th%20FW/14th%20FG/49th%20FS/images/49th%20Insignia.JPG)
^ This one can be edited to include everyone as it has plenty of space for text around

(https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1944/02/25/435-fighter-sq-emblem-1944-668985-640.png)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/fe/60/bd/fe60bd1e4c44a1161a3961bd9ea645cb.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/dd/9a/78/dd9a785caf0faa34c3dc227b5b2a5c92.jpg)
(https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1944/12/31/479th-fighter-group-wiorld-war-ii-emblem-51d8e5-small.png)
(https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2021/03/10/479-fighter-gp-emblem-2ad070-small.png)
^ 479th Specific





Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Rocco on January 28, 2024, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spikes on January 28, 2024, 02:01:56 PM
After staring at these. What about keeping the eagle and iron cross but with the design changes you have in the second rendition? So Smaller orange ring, February and 2024 moved to the outside, etc. I thought the Balkenkreuz would make it less 'busy', but the Luftwaffe eagle seems to blend better and having the month/year moved away helps with the busyness.

To be honest, if we want to save text space we can omit "February". It seems like more often than not the previous patches had them, but we also only run 1-2 a year now so it's a bit less important.

So top could be:
Masters of the Air

Bottom:
Aces High Scenario 2024

I second this. I like C but I feel the patch should represent both sides.

My vote would be B with the modifications Spikes mentions. Second choice would be the modified version Oboe has already made.

Appreciate all the effort going in to this. Regardless of which design is selected, I will definitely be buying one.
 :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 28, 2024, 07:29:13 PM
OK, I think this is a complete list of the patches submitted so far, with Spikes suggested changes to B, a couple of changes of my own, and new design suggested by Devil505 (E.).   I also have a version of this patch with a red gunsite reticule.

Click images for full-size versions
A1.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53487306693_f4fb7dd1fa_o.png)
A2.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53490952597_d1e44d7df1_b.jpg)
B.
(https://i.imgur.com/JjuoA9D.png)
C.
(https://i.imgur.com/F22uMpb.png)
D.
(https://i.imgur.com/8aLPjTI.png)
E.    (Also available with red gunsite)
(https://i.imgur.com/JNuEvAW.png)
F.  I had this line drawing profile of a B-17 I was using before I went to the dark silhouette. Trying to shake up the design, create some visual interest tension with oversize, distorted shapes and a diagonal divider between blue and red.
(https://i.imgur.com/VFjMH0T.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Devil 505 on January 28, 2024, 07:47:05 PM
E looks great. Get's my vote.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: xanax on January 28, 2024, 08:18:29 PM
I like B. Good representation balance.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: KCDitto on January 28, 2024, 09:19:25 PM
I like B
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Banshee7 on January 28, 2024, 09:25:36 PM
B or D gets my vote. B > D, but again I wonder how the actual patch would turn out.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 28, 2024, 09:45:14 PM
One more variation, I had this line drawing profile of a B-17 I was using before I went to the dark silhouette.  Just trying to shake up the design, create some visual interest tension with oversize, distorted shapes and a diagonal divider between blue and red.

Click images for full-size versions
F.
(https://i.imgur.com/VFjMH0T.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DaCoon on January 28, 2024, 10:34:38 PM
ok.   DAMMIT!!!!!    F it is......to me it looks the best so far       :rock :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Baloo on January 29, 2024, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: oboe on January 28, 2024, 09:45:14 PM
One more variation, I had this line drawing profile of a B-17 I was using before I went to the dark silhouette.  Just trying to shake up the design, create some visual interest tension with oversize, distorted shapes and a diagonal divider between blue and red.

Click images for full-size versions
F.
(https://i.imgur.com/VFjMH0T.png)

That is awesome, Oboe! +1 for me   :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 29, 2024, 01:35:35 PM
I like B the best with the Eagle, though curious how it would look with the silver B17 instead of the silhouette.

F is cool, though I'd probably make the German cross slightly smaller.

E is what I'm going to actually be doing  :devil
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 30, 2024, 12:53:58 AM
Here's F. with a smaller Balken Cross, and a larger B-17 side view.  Trying after all to make it look like the elements want to burst out of the patch.
   
F.
(https://i.imgur.com/awNTGEU.png)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on January 30, 2024, 07:12:44 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53498033174_72a63bfd11_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/2pvrpqj)

Combatants/ Globe
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 30, 2024, 07:53:47 AM
+1 on adding the dark background map, Potsnpans.   Really makes the emblems stand out and adds visual interest.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on January 30, 2024, 10:42:14 AM
I could be wrong, because I may not know better. But isn’t the wings with star a Flying Tigers emblem?  Or is it universal? I asked because I just made a FT emblem for my old squad, which is now empty. Learn me.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 30, 2024, 12:09:12 PM
The winged star with red circle in the center on a blue background was the US AAF emblem.   Flying Tigers may have used it, but I doubt it.  But they were taken over by the USAAF in mid-1942 I believe, and became the core of the 23rd FG...
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on January 30, 2024, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 30, 2024, 12:09:12 PM
The winged star with red circle in the center on a blue background was the US AAF emblem.   Flying Tigers may have used it, but I doubt it.  But they were taken over by the USAAF in mid-1942 I believe, and became the core of the 23rd FG...

They used it several times. Thanks, you confirmed my thoughts.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on January 30, 2024, 02:14:55 PM
No prob.  When I think of Flying Tigers emblem, I only get the Disney-like tiger with little wings, sometime I think he's jumping through a hoop or the Chinese AF symbol?
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on January 30, 2024, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: oboe on January 30, 2024, 02:14:55 PM
No prob.  When I think of Flying Tigers emblem, I only get the Disney-like tiger with little wings, sometime I think he's jumping through a hoop or the Chinese AF symbol?

Yep, thats original character. It morphed into or from a meaner version.. I didn’t research on  dates of versions. But the one you mention is widely used. 

Sorry didn’t mean to hijack thread.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 31, 2024, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: oboe on January 30, 2024, 12:53:58 AM
Here's F. with a smaller Balken Cross, and a larger B-17 side view.  Trying after all to make it look like the elements want to burst out of the patch.
   
F.
(https://i.imgur.com/awNTGEU.png)

Liking much better with the smaller cross.

Quote from: potsNpans on January 30, 2024, 07:12:44 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53498033174_72a63bfd11_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/2pvrpqj)

Combatants/ Globe

This one is also really nice.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on January 31, 2024, 02:21:42 PM
Emblem variation
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53501133919_8004078ddf_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/2pvHiar)
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Bizman on February 01, 2024, 01:14:01 AM
The Krupp Stahl eagle sure adds interest. But the cartoon font is even more in striking contrast with the otherwise serious theme.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the story behind the yellow winged snowman?
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: potsNpans on February 01, 2024, 06:42:04 AM
Winged snowman was the insignia of the 8th AAF, the winged star was adopted 1942 for all AAF everywhere. Every one likes a bad bellybutton flying star.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Bizman on February 01, 2024, 09:00:19 AM
Oh, so it is a snowman! But yellow? I have been taught not to eat yellow snow... Anyhoo, thanks for explaining. To me it looked like a winged snowman hiding behind Captain America's shield. Not too far from the actual thing.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on February 01, 2024, 11:16:49 AM
So here are all the patch designs so far, shown at same scale with same background, and organized roughly chronologically and by overall style:

A.(https://i.imgur.com/CxHaFd3.png)                 B.(https://i.imgur.com/CWn9jIF.png)
                       
C.(https://i.imgur.com/rp7xbFS.png)                 D.(https://i.imgur.com/RG9P9cE.png)
                       
E.(https://i.imgur.com/E3Y6yKL.png)                 F.(https://i.imgur.com/mr1nKNr.png)
                       
G.(https://i.imgur.com/ZI0JbY2.png)                 H.(https://i.imgur.com/SwnvNfD.png)
                       
I.(https://i.imgur.com/rUdn1DJ.png)                 K.(https://i.imgur.com/BdGgiYQ.png)
                       
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on February 01, 2024, 11:18:42 AM
Anybody else working on a patch design?   Just curious, does anybody know who designed the earlier patches?
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: 1Canukk on February 01, 2024, 12:32:01 PM
Have several of them and well done  :aok   also let me know Ill throw in some $ .. thanks..  CANUKK  :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: 1Canukk on February 01, 2024, 12:33:32 PM
for myself B.. :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on February 01, 2024, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: oboe on February 01, 2024, 11:18:42 AM
Anybody else working on a patch design?   Just curious, does anybody know who designed the earlier patches?

I asked Brooke about it when he first mentioned it...he said:
Nefarious, Blauk, 96Delta, Krusty, DoK, Fencer, Kermit, SilverFox, Guppy35


I like F but it would depend if Brooke thinks there's too much detail with the B-17 profile, if so then E.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Baloo on February 01, 2024, 08:53:32 PM
Wow all those are awesome, though I narrowed it to 3: D, F, L

Thanks for the very impressive work gents!  :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Lazerr on February 01, 2024, 09:03:09 PM
F
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Banshee7 on February 01, 2024, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Spikes on February 01, 2024, 12:48:02 PM
I like F but it would depend if Brooke thinks there's too much detail with the B-17 profile, if so then E.

This  :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2024, 10:17:32 PM
OK!

Masters of the Air scenario has concluded, then I and my family all got a bunch of nasty flu/pneumonia/sinus infections, and now back on the mend and back to business!

Time for me to get this patch process across the finish line.  :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2024, 10:22:18 PM
F. seems to be the most popular:

(https://i.imgur.com/mr1nKNr.png)

It has more detail than can get rendered into a patch.  But the rendering artist at the company will take that as inspiration and then give back something that meets the manufacturing criteria.  Once I get that, I'll post it here and see what people think.  We can always pick a simpler design if we don't like it at that stage.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: fuzeman on March 25, 2024, 03:48:14 PM
Patches from old seemed to he 3” ers, is that about right?
Could we get a slightly larger patch to help the detail level while still having it a realistic size?
And equally important where do we contribute to the patch fund???
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on May 21, 2024, 02:57:36 PM
Fellow pilots:

The patches are in.  They look great. 

Many thanks to Oboe for the design and to potsNpans and others who submitted design candidates.  :aok

(https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/GeajLPetaIHFR6xGodj3nyRG-gGxB7e1VXPZfEyLE39VgJyTeQuFkyHECztIJf6VEfBlmvwso_0n41QUBAdKolXfjWUUCdaFeDynmYLZQaQE6nTmNIsYOtJRuukxemutXopiO-tY4JLXitg2-uoiO78)

Below are instructions on how to get yours.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Eagler on May 21, 2024, 03:01:07 PM
That looks great!

How does one order one?

Thanks!

Eagler
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on May 21, 2024, 03:03:30 PM
To get a patch:

1.  Send a message using this message board to Popsman.
2.  Say "patch" in the subject.
3.  Tell him your name and mailing address.

Well done, heroic scenario pilots of Masters of the Air!  :aok

Please spread the word.  Tell all your fellow Masters of the Air pilots that patches are available.  In case they don't read the message board.

Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: oboe on May 21, 2024, 04:19:10 PM
Came out great, Brooke!  Thank you!   
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: fuzeman on May 21, 2024, 04:33:58 PM
I do have one minor problem with this.
Popsman wont accept a contribution.  I think I have a work-around though :devil

They look just as good as the event was!!!  I still haven’t finished watching the series as I sort of lost interest in watching while flying the scenario.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on May 21, 2024, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Brooke on May 21, 2024, 03:03:30 PM
To get a patch:

1.  Send a message using this message board to Popsman.
2.  Say "patch" in the subject.
3.  Tell him your name and mailing address.

Well done, heroic scenario pilots of Masters of the Air!  :aok

Please spread the word.  Tell all your fellow Masters of the Air pilots that patches are available.  In case they don't read the message board.


As fuze said, is there a PayPal link like years past?

Worst case, I can link my paypal and send the final sum to you or Popsman. :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on May 21, 2024, 09:42:21 PM
No contribution needed folks.  They are a gift from me and popsman.

Many thanks to all of you for flying in the scenario and making it great.  :aok

If youd like to contribute, please join us in the october scenario.  :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Banshee7 on May 21, 2024, 09:49:18 PM
These look awesome! Thank you guys for putting on a great event!
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: 1ijac on May 22, 2024, 02:01:16 AM
Many thanks for your generosity Brooke and Popsman.  You're class acts   :salute

Cheers,  One-eye
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Frodo on May 22, 2024, 10:02:08 AM
Thanks guys.  :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 22, 2024, 01:11:35 PM
Excellent, very nicely done.

 :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on June 03, 2024, 02:03:15 PM
Folks have been getting their patches, correct?  Mailings have been going on for a while.

Also, if you know people who flew in it, please let them know to request a patch.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Spikes on June 03, 2024, 02:25:52 PM
I received mine, it looks phenomenal!  :salute
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: xanax on June 03, 2024, 02:30:00 PM
I got mine, it's fantastic.

Thanks, Brooke and Popsman. Great work!
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Banshee7 on June 03, 2024, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: Brooke on June 03, 2024, 02:03:15 PM
Folks have been getting their patches, correct?  Mailings have been going on for a while.

Also, if you know people who flew in it, please let them know to request a patch.

Yep, got it! It looks awesome on my bulletin board in my game room  :rock You guys rock! Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on June 03, 2024, 06:31:33 PM
Sweet!

I am doing messages to all registered pilots, as well.

Folks who already requested their patch can disregard.  Just want to make sure as many of the pilots as possible know to request one if they want one.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: guncrasher on June 10, 2024, 09:34:52 PM
I got mine today.  it is beautiful.  already have a place on my bomber jacket for it.



semp
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Shuffler on June 10, 2024, 10:46:06 PM
Pictures do not do the actual patch justice.  Very nice patch indeed.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Animl-AW on June 11, 2024, 08:52:14 AM
Cool stuff. Thanks from us to everyone involved in stuff like this.
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: SIK1 on June 11, 2024, 07:29:10 PM
Received my patch today, and all I can say is WOW!

It's a beautiful patch, and I want to thank Popsman, and Brooke for making it happen.

If I can help cover the costs in any way let me know.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on June 11, 2024, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: guncrasher on June 10, 2024, 09:34:52 PM
I got mine today.  it is beautiful.  already have a place on my bomber jacket for it.



semp

Sweet!  :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: Brooke on June 11, 2024, 07:35:52 PM
You are welcome, guys.

Keep in mind, if you know someone who flew in it, let them know they can get a patch.

Also, I hope you guys can join us in the October scenario.  :aok
Title: Re: Embroidered patch to commemorate glorious battles in Mastes of the Air scenario
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 13, 2024, 10:42:16 AM
Patch received! Very detailed. Fantastic job! Love it.  :salute