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Title: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 13, 2024, 06:44:10 PM
Are there rules as to what behavior is not allowed?

For example:
Is being logged into two countries at once in order to know the specific location of other players welcome?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Meatwad on March 13, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
I doubt there is any "officially enforced" rules about that. I say its anything goes now as long as it brings another paying sub in a dwindled game that isnt blantant hardcore cheating
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 13, 2024, 07:13:19 PM
I see, hmm.

Well, how about using it to target another player, aka “griefing”, is that welcomed behavior in AH?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2024, 07:33:08 PM
Are there rules as to what behavior is not allowed?

For example:
Is being logged into two countries at once in order to know the specific location of other players welcome?

Two different countries could be a problem. Tempting the gods? Sometimes ne else is too. In different way, pretty disappointed.

I need a happy meal.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RELIC on March 13, 2024, 07:39:33 PM
Completely lame, but not sure how you can successfully ID it.  Can't be too hard to create a second account or have a friend create one.  Oddly enough it seems like it may be more persistent now than when we had 500+ up playing.  IMO it falls into the "annoying, but nothing I can do about it so screw it..."
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: CAV on March 13, 2024, 07:41:51 PM
I would say using two accounts to spy or any form of griefing a player/team would be out of bounds. Or at least it should be.........


But with today's players who knows what they will think is legitimate.

CAV
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: xanax on March 13, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
I have 2 accounts, one for myself and I pay for my nephew. There is only one PC that runs MS Windows for the both of us and it's at my home. He flies when he visits from school on weekends or holidays as he only has a MacBook at school. I got him his own account so I wouldn't have to account for anything he does in game. I'm sure he'd do nothing to embarrass me but I don't want to have to keep up on any interactions he has with folks. It'd be a PITA at best and disingenuous at worst being a different person behind the in-game handle.
I have had a bad experience sharing an account in the past when I went to the AW convention in 1998. I left my PC and AW account open for anyone to use that didn't bring a PC to Con while I was away touring the aircraft carrier in SF Bay on day 2. Apparently someone(s) used my account to taunt, say vile crap and be complete holes affixed to a derriere in the arena while I was away. It took me a long time to clean that up-especially with one player and friend. Lesson learned.
If it is a problem or seems a problem to the community, I'll certainly shut his account down despite knowing nothing untoward is going on as we can't log on at the same time anyhow. It's not worth anyone even thinking we are sketchy in this regard.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: The Fugitive on March 13, 2024, 08:25:18 PM
Are there rules as to what behavior is not allowed?

For example:
Is being logged into two countries at once in order to know the specific location of other players welcome?

There is this here....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307699.msg3971548.html#msg3971548

and there is this....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361494.msg4804726.html#msg4804726
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 13, 2024, 08:42:03 PM
Completely lame, but not sure how you can successfully ID it.  Can't be too hard to create a second account or have a friend create one.  Oddly enough it seems like it may be more persistent now than when we had 500+ up playing.  IMO it falls into the "annoying, but nothing I can do about it so screw it..."

I wasn’t even suspecting it until he announced doing so on 200 today.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 13, 2024, 08:43:21 PM
There is this here....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307699.msg3971548.html#msg3971548

and there is this....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361494.msg4804726.html#msg4804726

Thank you, that helps.
 :salute
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Banshee7 on March 13, 2024, 09:18:21 PM
There is this here....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307699.msg3971548.html#msg3971548


Look at me being an annoying teenager  :rofl :rofl :rofl  :bhead
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Vulcan on March 13, 2024, 09:28:26 PM
People have been banned for using a second account to identify track and harass players. It's hard to identify except when the culprit is stupid enough to admit it on a live stream that was recorded  :devil
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: mERv on March 13, 2024, 10:01:04 PM
The official statement from HTC is you are not allowed to have 1 account logged into the game on one country and another account on another country at the same time.

Having multiple accounts is not a violation. Having multiple accounts logged in at the same time on the same country is no different than 2 people on seperrate accounts.

Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2024, 10:13:33 PM
The official statement from HTC is you are not allowed to have 1 account logged into the game on one country and another account on another country at the same time.

Having multiple accounts is not a violation. Having multiple accounts logged in at the same time on the same country is no different than 2 people on seperrate accounts.

love ya Merv.

take care, i'm on my way out.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Spikes on March 14, 2024, 07:20:13 AM
Are there rules as to what behavior is not allowed?

For example:
Is being logged into two countries at once in order to know the specific location of other players welcome?
No, that is not allowed.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Dadtallica on March 14, 2024, 08:14:39 AM
Who did this and admitted to what? What are we dancing around here?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 14, 2024, 08:14:50 AM
Well my question is if we know a squad has members on one side, but another member on the opposite side they are fighting, and all playing at the same time and in the same area, how do we know they aren't targeting and giving away position over discord?

It's unsportsmanlike and not good faith. Not sure if it's a "rule" but I'll certainly call it out.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Oldman731 on March 14, 2024, 08:20:21 AM
Well my question is if we know a squad has members on one side, but another member on the opposite side they are fighting, and all playing at the same time and in the same area, how do we know they aren't targeting and giving away position over discord?

It's unsportsmanlike and not good faith. Not sure if it's a "rule" but I'll certainly call it out.


You can't know if they're doing that, of course.  Possibly you can rely on people being sportsmanlike?  Our squad routinely split up to even the sides, not to screw around with giving away Country Secrets.

- oldman
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: JimmyD3 on March 14, 2024, 08:36:00 AM
You have that potential issue with Auto Switch. It has happened in the past, and it will happen in the future. At this point we can only hope for integrity in the players, I would suspect it happens very rarely.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Banshee7 on March 14, 2024, 08:45:37 AM
If we reduced side switching back to an hour, I think less squads would have the potential of getting split up.  :cool: :cool:

There's only 3 people in my "squad," and we have more than once been split by the side switch limit.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2024, 08:47:38 AM
I think $15 is $15...

Another red plane is another red plane..

Something tells me this isn't enforced if for nothing more than financial reasons..

Eagler
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: waystin2 on March 14, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Hitech welcomed players back that have done this multiple times for harassment purposes in the past so it must be allowed and obviously encouraged.  :aok  What a dumpster fire AH has become.  :frown:
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: whiteman on March 14, 2024, 10:48:18 AM
What a dumpster fire AH has become.  :frown:

Not really, only dumpster fire around here is from malcontent whiners that no longer play with some grudge against Hitech and his game offering empty opinions.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Bopgun on March 14, 2024, 10:53:50 AM
Are we so sure that these second accounts are used for “Hunting”? It seems to me to be more of a courting and seduction tactic
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Banshee7 on March 14, 2024, 10:55:52 AM
Not really, only dumpster fire around here is from malcontent whiners that no longer play with some grudge against Hitech and his game offering empty opinions.

This is true.  I will say that I personally have not witnessed the "hunting" tactics, and from my experience the "victims" are usually the ones that bark first, instigating the accused...

That's just MY observation.  Not saying the accusations aren't true.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Spikes on March 14, 2024, 10:57:02 AM
Not really, only dumpster fire around here is from malcontent whiners that no longer play with some grudge against Hitech and his game offering empty opinions.
Yup.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: waystin2 on March 14, 2024, 12:56:20 PM
Not really, only dumpster fire around here is from malcontent whiners that no longer play with some grudge against Hitech and his game offering empty opinions.
No grudge. I do not know the man. A whiner? Never have never will whine.  Good day Sir.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: waystin2 on March 14, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
Yup.
You know me better than that Spikes.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Shuffler on March 14, 2024, 03:18:16 PM
If you cause someone to make two accounts, you are helping support the game. Well done!!!!
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 14, 2024, 03:21:26 PM
  What a dumpster fire AH has become.  :frown:

All one has to go back in time in the pages of this bbs to find that’s not true, or no different.

As someone else stated, most problems/drama here involve former players.

And they do a lot more harm in other places than this thread.
The Skyrr thread is a good example. O’Club is another of many.

The actual paying players cause very little issues.

Personally, I’d be perma-banning ip addresses for the harm some former players cause here and the game’s reputation.

I agree 100% with Banshee.

There would be a lot less to deal with if the guilty former players who cause problems here were properly perma-banned instead of forcing paying players or mods to deal with repeat offenders.

The poster is a player bringing an issue to light.
Pretty sure 2 accounts used only in one country is allowed
Using two accounts in two countries is not.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: mERv on March 14, 2024, 04:05:24 PM
Not really, only dumpster fire around here is from malcontent whiners that no longer play with some grudge against Hitech and his game offering empty opinions.
+1
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: captain1ma on March 14, 2024, 04:37:08 PM
i have multiple accounts, does that make me an enemy of the state?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: waystin2 on March 14, 2024, 05:36:02 PM
i have multiple accounts, does that make me an enemy of the state?
burn the witch lol!
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Vulcan on March 14, 2024, 05:43:53 PM
This is true.  I will say that I personally have not witnessed the "hunting" tactics, and from my experience the "victims" are usually the ones that bark first, instigating the accused...

That's just MY observation.  Not saying the accusations aren't true.

I have, and the scum that did it admitted to it on a live stream - which is what ultimately got him banned (until recently). Unfortunately he chased several players away from the game with this kind of behaviour.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: xanax on March 14, 2024, 06:37:21 PM
There is this here....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307699.msg3971548.html#msg3971548

and there is this....

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361494.msg4804726.html#msg4804726

I'll go out on a limb and say I'm good then.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 14, 2024, 07:24:46 PM
Are we so sure that these second accounts are used for “Hunting”? It seems to me to be more of a courting and seduction tactic

Yes, at this point. I wasn’t even aware I’d become his main focus (at least for yesterday and lesser extent past couple weeks).

We were on same country, he was actively flying with one account but logged in both (one Knight, one Rook at the time). Said player then switched accounts and began showing up at every base I was defending or attacking all while continued trolling me about his perception that I’m a hypocritical ack hugger (vulching me more than once on takeoff).  :headscratch:

Later, yesterday night, hours after posting this, I logged back in and he was flying on same country and in my vicinity. In the middle of my (first) sortie he switches to other account on Bish and shows up in the small furball I was chasing me 2v1 and continued “ack runner” comments ad nauseam. He however this time did log out of the 2nd account and even referenced this thread.

When called on it he said he used the “last kill” command to find me and in addition explaining that apparently he made some detailed thread here about how to find a player’s location. Just a bit ironic that if you are not hunting a player one would go through such efforts as to how they intentionally found that player, then deny it.  :headscratch:

P.S. I’m not referring to any ramifications of Side Switching, this exclusively about using two accounts. Innocuous in and of itself, IMO, until it’s used as described.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 14, 2024, 07:33:25 PM
P.s.s. I have thick skin and I’m not losing sleep over it, but rather see it as a blight on our game and community.

There’s always banter and even some vitriol amongst each other over silly things that most probably realize later was juvenile. This is different.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: mERv on March 15, 2024, 08:55:52 AM
Let's all just take our licks when we get them and enjoy the game for what it is today ya?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: flippz on March 15, 2024, 05:59:40 PM
burn the witch lol!
If it’s a dumpster fire why do you stay around?  Watching your home burn?  Sad you don’t have 30 people to log on and carry you in barn burning storming of a field?  From my recollection you were in a wirb the last year you were here.
You can leave at any point and it’s not an airport.  No need to announce your departure.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: flippz on March 15, 2024, 06:26:21 PM
Yes, at this point. I wasn’t even aware I’d become his main focus (at least for yesterday and lesser extent past couple weeks).

We were on same country, he was actively flying with one account but logged in both (one Knight, one Rook at the time). Said player then switched accounts and began showing up at every base I was defending or attacking all while continued trolling me about his perception that I’m a hypocritical ack hugger (vulching me more than once on takeoff).  :headscratch:

Later, yesterday night, hours after posting this, I logged back in and he was flying on same country and in my vicinity. In the middle of my (first) sortie he switches to other account on Bish and shows up in the small furball I was chasing me 2v1 and continued “ack runner” comments ad nauseam. He however this time did log out of the 2nd account and even referenced this thread.

When called on it he said he used the “last kill” command to find me and in addition explaining that apparently he made some detailed thread here about how to find a player’s location. Just a bit ironic that if you are not hunting a player one would go through such efforts as to how they intentionally found that player, then deny it.  :headscratch:

P.S. I’m not referring to any ramifications of Side Switching, this exclusively about using two accounts. Innocuous in and of itself, IMO, until it’s used as described.

You don’t need multiple accts to “hunt” anyone in this game. You only need to know what side he’s flying on. The game does the hunting for you with the stupid kill feed to try and make it looks like a lot of action in the game. It would also help if you didn’t say things like we are damned bootlickers.  Also the poor game play I am sure has ran off way more players than anyone one person “hunting” people. The night you started with me no one from my squad was on and I was able to ID the ki84 every time it got near me.
You have to realize that with the low numbers your interaction with the same player is gonna be often. Also going back to more players leaving from not good game play a lot of simple things should be able to be easily changed to help ie shorten the side switch to allow players to chase fights. Fix am eny to effect numbers that log on to claim flags and do nothing else useful to “game play”.   Fix the resup that took some one 25-30 min to wf and one person resupps it in less than 5 min.
And the last thing, get good kid.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Oldman731 on March 15, 2024, 10:46:12 PM
If it’s a dumpster fire why do you stay around?  Watching your home burn?  Sad you don’t have 30 people to log on and carry you in barn burning storming of a field?  From my recollection you were in a wirb the last year you were here.
You can leave at any point and it’s not an airport.  No need to announce your departure.


Waystin has always been good people.  He did what his squad wanted to do, but his heart is still here, which is why he still follows his friends here.  No need to get unpleasant about it.

- oldman
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 16, 2024, 09:39:46 AM

Waystin has always been good people.  He did what his squad wanted to do, but his heart is still here, which is why he still follows his friends here.  No need to get unpleasant about it.

- oldman

I’m sure you’re prolly right in this case. But he wouldn’t say that in his own home.

Paying customers are tiring of the negative former player nonsense. There are zero reasons why we should coddle bashing and skimming on our dime. It can only come to a head.

Quite frankly, I think his game is a wallet sucking dumpster fire. But I was raised with enough manners to not go to his house and say it.

I have zero sympathy for a normal human reaction to a rude comment by someone old enough to know better. Common sense is due. Nasty gets nasty in return.

No one gets nasty with you because you’re a nice guy with manners. Funny how that works?

Its like running a restaurant and slugs allowed to come in off the street, sit at your table and pick food off your plate of food you paid for.

Obstinance is not a virtue.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: JimmyD3 on March 16, 2024, 11:21:56 AM

Waystin has always been good people.  He did what his squad wanted to do, but his heart is still here, which is why he still follows his friends here.  No need to get unpleasant about it.

- oldman

+1 Wastin IS good people, I have never seen him or heard him be disrespectful to anyone or the game. :rock
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 16, 2024, 11:50:11 AM
+1 Wastin IS good people, I have never seen him or heard him be disrespectful to anyone or the game. :rock

Probably right.
However, calling it a dumpster fire (which every online game IS,…probably won’t go over well with people who don’t have a history with him.

People who have issues with me, don’t know me and kicked my trash can over.

The reaction is probably due to it nit being the first time but the 1001st time, which came constantly from the same 4 person skimmers. He became s victim of that trigger set here by Cpt.trips and his skimming gang. Tolerate it once, tolerate it 1000 times. We’re at 2k now. People get triggered because they are sick of it, because it won’t be stopped, snd uts on OUR dime. Its not their dime until we give it to them.

Like I said, nice guy or not, he wouldn’t say that about his own home, which does have issues .
too .

Today, I’m thinking about a happy meal. I’m cooked on this nonsense.

Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 16, 2024, 06:02:10 PM
Telling that everyone knows who’s doing this without his name being mentioned.

 :noid
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 17, 2024, 08:13:19 AM
Hitting new levels of creepy obsession every time I play now. I had a few obsessive girl friends over the years but never a dude.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Vulcan on March 17, 2024, 03:04:05 PM
Hitting new levels of creepy obsession every time I play now. I had a few obsessive girl friends over the years but never a dude.  :uhoh

Well in his streams he already had k-pop playing in the background which is a bit weird (unless he is a teenage korean girl, or maybe he identifies as one?).
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Lusche on March 17, 2024, 03:27:41 PM
Well in his streams he already had k-pop playing in the background which is a bit weird (unless he is a teenage korean girl, or maybe he identifies as one?).

Just as I’m reading this, I’m listening to some kpop playlist in the background. Should I be worried?   :uhoh
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Lazerr on March 17, 2024, 04:28:00 PM
Dafuq is kpop
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RELIC on March 17, 2024, 05:00:11 PM

Waystin has always been good people.  He did what his squad wanted to do, but his heart is still here, which is why he still follows his friends here.  No need to get unpleasant about it.

- oldman
agreed
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 17, 2024, 05:09:00 PM
Just as I’m reading this, I’m listening to some kpop playlist in the background. Should I be worried?   :uhoh

Yes... considering the vastness of amazing musical sounds out there  you could otherwise be feeling/listening too.  :aok
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RELIC on March 17, 2024, 05:13:18 PM
Just as I’m reading this, I’m listening to some kpop playlist in the background. Should I be worried?   :uhoh
Well.....    :D
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Banshee7 on March 17, 2024, 07:48:49 PM
Dafuq is kpop

Apparently it’s a bigger thing than I thought. Korean boy bands 😂😂
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Lusche on March 18, 2024, 04:24:12 AM
Apparently it’s a bigger thing than I thought. Korean boy bands 😂😂

It's not limited to boy bands. It's just Korean pop music.  :banana:
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Lazerr on March 18, 2024, 09:11:17 AM
Apparently it’s a bigger thing than I thought. Korean boy bands 😂😂

Oh... now I see why I haven't heard about it.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: 1stpar3 on March 18, 2024, 09:13:26 AM
Are there rules as to what behavior is not allowed?

For example:
Is being logged into two countries at once in order to know the specific location of other players welcome?
The Damned are in here for FIGHTS.   6 hour time for country change.  If they all want to pay for 3 accounts, apiece...more power to them! I could care less! This way, they can swap at will! Numbers being what they are and all, this is brilliant!  They aren't cheating, they are PLAYING!  MOTHMAN has been Rook for years...and he is in MY Squad...are WE Cheating?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 18, 2024, 09:49:14 AM
The Damned are in here for FIGHTS.   6 hour time for country change.  If they all want to pay for 3 accounts, apiece...more power to them! I could care less! This way, they can swap at will! Numbers being what they are and all, this is brilliant!  They aren't cheating, they are PLAYING!  MOTHMAN has been Rook for years...and he is in MY Squad...are WE Cheating?

Fight? I didn't realize 3 190ds, a spit16, and a la7 trailing you to gang is considered a fight. It's more like bullying the MA in easy mode planes with unlimited time to play If you ask me. Jus sayin...
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Skyyr on March 18, 2024, 10:11:05 AM
Fight? I didn't realize 3 190ds, a spit16, and a la7 trailing you to gang is considered a fight. It's more like bullying the MA in easy mode planes with unlimited time to play If you ask me. Jus sayin...

A previous Muppets pilot is complaining about a squad of 5 players. Lolol
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: hazmatt on March 18, 2024, 12:52:47 PM
It's not limited to boy bands. It's just Korean pop music.  :banana:

I can still watch this as long as I mute it first. They even like ARs...

https://youtu.be/j7_lSP8Vc3o
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: waystin2 on March 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM
Did anyone put this dumpster fire out yet?
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 18, 2024, 03:00:41 PM
The Damned are in here for FIGHTS.   6 hour time for country change.  If they all want to pay for 3 accounts, apiece...more power to them! I could care less! This way, they can swap at will! Numbers being what they are and all, this is brilliant!  They aren't cheating, they are PLAYING!  MOTHMAN has been Rook for years...and he is in MY Squad...are WE Cheating?

Nope and I did not suggest you or anyone else was cheating. I asked what type of behavior is allowed; specifically, for example, using a 2nd account (or potentially squad mate I suppose) to track and hunt players.

It seems to be a overwhelming consensus that this type of play is at best unethical and poor behavior to it should absolutely NOT be tolerated period, at least based off the PMs, in game chat and this thread. Not one person so far in favor of targeting or griefing other players…

I’ve been collecting videos the past couple weeks as its become more frequent.

This has been a new experience and eye opening to say the least.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Skyyr on March 18, 2024, 03:19:00 PM
As others have said, using multiple accounts to locate players is and always has been against TOS.

That said, you can easily locate players using the score tab in-game and the stats page on the AH website, though. I've been making a video tutorial demonstrating this so the paranoid people can quit throwing accusations around.

EDIT: I even wrote a forum guide nine (9!!!) years ago explaining how exactly to do it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,365320.msg4863943.html#msg4863943)
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Simon on March 18, 2024, 04:14:07 PM
you can easily locate players using the score tab in-game and the stats page on the AH website

What kind of a pathetic loser would go to all that effort purely to harass and antagonize other players? The answer is the same type of sadistic troll that enjoys bullying, stalking and attempting to shame people on social media to prop up their fragile little ego.

The only things more pathetic are the minions and fanboi(s) that create shade BBS accounts to egg him on. I'll spare the other oblivious morons who cheer on the drama without even a mild understanding of what is happening.

What a sad existence. The irony is that you're driving the demise of this game that you've devoted your entire existence to. Creating multiple accounts spanning years and using proxies to hide your identity so you could sneak back into a game you were banned from. Spending decades meticulously tracking statistics, databasing every interaction, analyzing, editing and publishing films. Devoting thousands of hours to practicing and spending hundreds of hours per month sat in front of a laptop to be an internet hero to 5 weak-minded people in a video game from the 90s.

RotBaron, I'm sorry to hear that you have become the latest target of this trash heap. You've always seemed like a good guy and a fun fight. Take solace in the fact that you are occupying more of his mind than vice-versa. He needs this type of attention to convince himself to get out of bed every morning.

Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Skyyr on March 18, 2024, 04:17:30 PM
... stuff ...

Damn, sounds like you had a bad experience sir. I wish you the best of luck in your flying when you return. I know Judge will be excited to see you again too. <S>
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: nrshida on March 19, 2024, 03:05:31 AM
As others have said, using multiple accounts to locate players is and always has been against TOS.

That said, you can easily locate players using the score tab in-game and the stats page on the AH website, though. I've been making a video tutorial demonstrating this so the paranoid people can quit throwing accusations around.

EDIT: I even wrote a forum guide nine (9!!!) years ago explaining how exactly to do it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,365320.msg4863943.html#msg4863943)

I think that's wrong, to do that. The spirit of the TOS is to prevent systematically targetting a particular player. Just because the method isn't specifically precluded in the TOS the upshot of using that - which amounts IMHO to a game exploit - is the same as using a second account from the perspective of the targetted player.

Why do you feel compelled to 'hunt' particular players? What exactly did RotBaron say or do to you?

Citing that thread you posted from nine years ago explaining how to do it: I don't know if you're implying you have tacit consent since HiTech didn't comment or challenge that. He is observably absent / neglectful, might be the other explanation and besides I'm pretty sure the score tab on the clipboard postdates the original TOS (which likely no one bothered to update).

Further, look at what Vraciu posted in response to your explanation:-

"That's one method you taught me--which I don't use.   What's the point?   It ruins the game doing stuff like that" - Vraciu August 28, 2014 (the post right beneath yours in your link above).

He's right. You don't have the right to do this. Having the means is another issue entirely. It's unethical, unsporting and reduces subscriptions. Why is it necessary to point out this is unacceptable?


Damn, sounds like you had a bad experience sir. I wish you the best of luck in your flying when you return. I know Judge will be excited to see you again too. <S>

This ^ this is equally wrong. You told me you did not care for passive-aggressivity. If you hold a standard then it must equally apply to yourself or it has no merit and you have no integrity. This is a thinly-varnished threat of more bullying wrapped in sir and <S>.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: 1stpar3 on March 19, 2024, 07:18:54 AM
Nope and I did not suggest you or anyone else was cheating. I asked what type of behavior is allowed; specifically, for example, using a 2nd account (or potentially squad mate I suppose) to track and hunt players.

It seems to be a overwhelming consensus that this type of play is at best unethical and poor behavior to it should absolutely NOT be tolerated period, at least based off the PMs, in game chat and this thread. Not one person so far in favor of targeting or griefing other players…

I’ve been collecting videos the past couple weeks as its become more frequent.

This has been a new experience and eye opening to say the least.
Yes sir! I know you didn't suggest i was cheating!  YOU KNOW ME from previous back and forth.   You ALSO knew I  had 5 accounts. Skyyr has admitted why he was banned....and he did His Time.   Dale commuted his sentence...that is enough for me.   I love you brother but you are getting bent out of shape over nothing, imho.  More than willing to eat Crow...since you have Film/Documentation?  I havent had a single "BAD Run IN" with him..EVER!  Then again, I don't 'poke the bear'. It has been my experience, Skyyr only pokes back..aka FAFO on 200.  Yes..he posts K/D stats on select players, but that is his way of rebutting "You SUCK..yadda yadda..cheater...Be gone Satan" posts on 200. Any run in with Skyyr...is an awesome fight. Although I do prefer the 4 on 1...in my favor...F Thejudge, silent, flippz AND SKYYR, as a team LOL  Off to other front...after a bit  :rofl
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 19, 2024, 02:07:10 PM
As others have said, using multiple accounts to locate players is and always has been against TOS.

That said, you can easily locate players using the score tab in-game and the stats page on the AH website, though. I've been making a video tutorial demonstrating this so the paranoid people can quit throwing accusations around.

EDIT: I even wrote a forum guide nine (9!!!) years ago explaining how exactly to do it (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,365320.msg4863943.html#msg4863943)

Denying doing it while making tutorials and writing a guide on how to do it. WILD! 
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 19, 2024, 02:10:04 PM
Thank you Simon, I appreciate the kind words. I try to be, everyone has probably let their passion for the game or parts of it get a bit out of hand from time to time. Some are habitual whereas most are on occasion.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 19, 2024, 02:24:30 PM
Hey nrshida, my take why I’m the new favorite target is he perceives me calling out ack runners as hypocritical. I will, as most do, at least on occasion call out ppl running to ack, especially if it’s 1v1 and they had other options remaining but chose not to fight, everyone knows they see this from some Spitfire pilots and then the faster planes. Most often I’m in Ki-84 and usually in some disadvantage, mostly numbers as I fly alone… Anyhow it started with attacks that I “run to ack” and am a hypocrite.

Sure I’ve run to ack, for various reasons, never claimed I haven’t  :headscratch:

Lol sometimes even getting the accusation trying to up while getting vulched (on film).  :headscratch:

I’m content in that nearly all Knights know I chk 6, will blow alt, dump ord, or diverge from course in order to come help them nearly always in a inferior plane vs their predicament. It’s why others return the favor when I’m slow, low and getting ganged or trying save a base…

Oh btw he claims he taught you and brought you to your peak skill, that’s one of the latest anyhow.  :airplane:

Oh and Bruv too lol
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Skyyr on March 19, 2024, 02:35:49 PM
Oh btw he claims he taught you and brought you to your peak skill, that’s one of the latest anyhow.  :airplane:

Oh and Bruv too lol

Quote these please. I'd love to see you backpedal, as with everything else you state.

Screenshotting this so it can't be edited either.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 19, 2024, 02:44:08 PM
Yes sir! I know you didn't suggest i was cheating!  YOU KNOW ME from previous back and forth.   You ALSO knew I  had 5 accounts. Skyyr has admitted why he was banned....and he did His Time.   Dale commuted his sentence...that is enough for me.   I love you brother but you are getting bent out of shape over nothing, imho.  More than willing to eat Crow...since you have Film/Documentation?  I havent had a single "BAD Run IN" with him..EVER!  Then again, I don't 'poke the bear'. It has been my experience, Skyyr only pokes back..aka FAFO on 200.  Yes..he posts K/D stats on select players, but that is his way of rebutting "You SUCK..yadda yadda..cheater...Be gone Satan" posts on 200. Any run in with Skyyr...is an awesome fight. Although I do prefer the 4 on 1...in my favor...F Thejudge, silent, flippz AND SKYYR, as a team LOL  Off to other front...after a bit  :rofl

No sir, I didn’t know you have 5 accounts, however I’ve not heard about you needing banned from gaming for behavior and I know you to be a good hearted man…

Asking players on ch200 how they feel about starring in his newest video he’s going to post for him and 5 sycophants to drool over is creepy. 

The incessant taunting and antagonizing on 200 is actually embarrassing, it’s rancid insecurity.

I’ll eat crow if you or anyone have video that shows I should. I admit I’ve not always been the best behaved. As I’ve said to Capera several times, if you dish it out hard, expect to get it back hard.

As far as I know this all started with my alleged ack-running “hypocrisy”, unless it carries back to AH2… :headscratch:

 :salute 1stPar

Try a morning out when less #’s amplify all the interactions; see if it’s the same as you view it now.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: RotBaron on March 19, 2024, 02:48:25 PM
This week and month are getting quite busy for me, I may not be able to check back often. PM and I’ll see notifications in email.

 :airplane: Have fun! That’s really most important thing for all of us  :rock  :airplane:

 :salute
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 19, 2024, 03:35:37 PM
No sir, I didn’t know you have 5 accounts, however I’ve not heard about you needing banned from gaming for behavior and I know you to be a good hearted man…

Asking players on ch200 how they feel about starring in his newest video he’s going to post for him and 5 sycophants to drool over is creepy. 

The incessant taunting and antagonizing on 200 is actually embarrassing, it’s rancid insecurity.

I’ll eat crow if you or anyone have video that shows I should. I admit I’ve not always been the best behaved. As I’ve said to Capera several times, if you dish it out hard, expect to get it back hard.

As far as I know this all started with my alleged ack-running “hypocrisy”, unless it carries back to AH2… :headscratch:

 :salute 1stPar

Try a morning out when less #’s amplify all the interactions; see if it’s the same as you view it now.

Lotsa small beans in the thread. I don’t think you are the target, the subject is for some conspiracy theorist types. Yes there were some abuses, but not by everyone with more than one account.

Personally, ack and gun hugging, I just go in after them. Which they rarely expect. At 5’ (or less) off the ground field guns have hard time making hits, survivability is higher, unless its a manned gun. I’m only really exposed when I jump up for the shot. I can go thro field guns 2-3 times like that. But if they think I’m not coming they’re wrong :) i get a new planes anyway. I do get kills.

I have a crazy season coming up in a month or two, so I’ll be off and on too.

Hope ya brush this off and cya back flying soon.
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Lazerr on March 19, 2024, 04:38:15 PM
Shitsgettinweird
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: nrshida on March 20, 2024, 06:38:39 AM
Oh btw he claims he taught you and brought you to your peak skill

How complimentary! Unfortunately my 'peak skill' went long ago with the furball lake and Aces High 2. Arguably I should have left it lie at that point.

Perhaps this is off topic, but since my inbox has been inundated by just over a handfull of posts on this matter, I see it like this: the game provides fickle protection from getting the metaphorical 5h1t kicked out of you, picking, ganging, HOing, positional-circumstances, using ack to solve ACM-problems, that just goes with the territory that is good old AH. Doesn't really mean much for the most part. Just sweep the sand off your shoulders and get a new plane. Stoicism proposes that although you can often do little practically to influence the environment or events; you can do a great deal about how you process and deal with incidents internally. That a faster / more energetically-loaded aircraft can always force his fight on a slower, lower one is a matter of physics. That one person can insist to impose their beliefs and values on you, is a matter of you conceding that. Don't leave. Stay instead and do your thing.

All the best with it  :salute
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: JimmyD3 on March 20, 2024, 07:58:40 AM
How complimentary! Unfortunately my 'peak skill' went long ago with the furball lake and Aces High 2. Arguably I should have left it lie at that point.

Perhaps this is off topic, but since my inbox has been inundated by just over a handfull of posts on this matter, I see it like this: the game provides fickle protection from getting the metaphorical 5h1t kicked out of you, picking, ganging, HOing, positional-circumstances, using ack to solve ACM-problems, that just goes with the territory that is good old AH. Doesn't really mean much for the most part. Just sweep the sand off your shoulders and get a new plane. Stoicism proposes that although you can often do little practically to influence the environment or events; you can do a great deal about how you process and deal with incidents internally. That a faster / more energetically-loaded aircraft can always force his fight on a slower, lower one is a matter of physics. That one person can insist to impose their beliefs and values on you, is a matter of you conceding that. Don't leave. Stay instead and do your thing.

All the best with it  :salute

Outstanding Nrshida! This is the best description of the 200 ego circus, I've seen. :salute
Title: Re: Using second account to…
Post by: Animl-AW on March 20, 2024, 03:08:03 PM
How complimentary! Unfortunately my 'peak skill' went long ago with the furball lake and Aces High 2. Arguably I should have left it lie at that point.

Perhaps this is off topic, but since my inbox has been inundated by just over a handfull of posts on this matter, I see it like this: the game provides fickle protection from getting the metaphorical 5h1t kicked out of you, picking, ganging, HOing, positional-circumstances, using ack to solve ACM-problems, that just goes with the territory that is good old AH. Doesn't really mean much for the most part. Just sweep the sand off your shoulders and get a new plane. Stoicism proposes that although you can often do little practically to influence the environment or events; you can do a great deal about how you process and deal with incidents internally. That a faster / more energetically-loaded aircraft can always force his fight on a slower, lower one is a matter of physics. That one person can insist to impose their beliefs and values on you, is a matter of you conceding that. Don't leave. Stay instead and do your thing.

All the best with it  :salute

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