General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on March 15, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
Title: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
Boeing is the latest example
RIP Mitch
Eagler
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 15, 2024, 08:47:47 AM
I actually hope this story gets a lot of attention and is investigated cleanly. It would show that many of the "suicides" are infact framed and set up. This has been going on for way too long. I think Boeing has a lot to answer for. Look up a guy named Mark Mcandlish, an Aeropspace artist who conveniently fell to the same fate. His drawings are incredible. I believe he also exposed too much. I believe a lot of these "suicides" of high profile people are all from the same people, since they seem to be extremely good at it. In any case, I hope this blows the lid off of it since it clearly was not an an actual suicide. Even his lawyers are questioning all of it. He was supposed to testify the next Monday and was glad it was coming to an end...
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Meatwad on March 15, 2024, 01:12:14 PM
What happens when communist tactics are employed by certain organizations in the USA. Silence anyone who speaks out
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Tumor on March 15, 2024, 01:23:20 PM
I actually hope this story gets a lot of attention and is investigated cleanly.
Well, Hope & Change seems to have taken hold so there's a chance. But, I'm gonna go with "Not gonna happen".
They'd have to look above Boeing... that's why "nothing".
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2024, 03:55:35 PM
When a Clinton associate who is found partially hung from a tree limb, with a shotgun blast to the chest, and no gun at the scene -- is ruled a suicide by the justice system -- it's an uphill battle to disprove "suicide."
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: RUSH1 on March 15, 2024, 05:18:37 PM
Elon trying to stay out in front of the possibility.
When a Clinton associate who is found partially hung from a tree limb, with a shotgun blast to the chest, and no gun at the scene -- is ruled a suicide by the justice system -- it's an uphill battle to disprove "suicide."
who was it.
semp
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Tumor on March 15, 2024, 07:41:01 PM
I know a couple of fairly reliable sources who have stories about that guy (I try not to say the "C" word as I always need a shower after). Not on the level of anyone hanging from a tree... but enough to choke a goat off a gut wagon, all things considered.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2024, 08:02:49 PM
"Death of shot Clinton aide with Epstein ties found tied to tree ruled suicide — despite no gun at scene" https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/death-of-clinton-aide-tied-to-jeffrey-epstein-ruled-suicide/
The relevant parts from the police report:
"I could see that he had a gunshot wound to the chest and that he had a knot tied in an extension cord that was around his neck and it was attached to the limb directly above him."
and
"located a gun case that had three cases of 12 ga buckshot, but no weapon."
It's common for people to drive out to a stranger's rural property, tie and extension cord around the neck and up to a tree limb, shoot themselves in the chest with a shotgun, then have the shotgun disappear.
No more suspicious than dying of an unfortunate weightlifting accident the night before testifying, and so forth.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: guncrasher on March 15, 2024, 09:38:17 PM
"Death of shot Clinton aide with Epstein ties found tied to tree ruled suicide — despite no gun at scene" https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/death-of-clinton-aide-tied-to-jeffrey-epstein-ruled-suicide/
The relevant parts from the police report:
"I could see that he had a gunshot wound to the chest and that he had a knot tied in an extension cord that was around his neck and it was attached to the limb directly above him."
and
"located a gun case that had three cases of 12 ga buckshot, but no weapon."
It's common for people to drive out to a stranger's rural property, tie and extension cord around the neck and up to a tree limb, shoot themselves in the chest with a shotgun, then have the shotgun disappear.
No more suspicious than dying of an unfortunate weightlifting accident the night before testifying, and so forth.
read this and the last couple of paragraphs on your link about how conspiracy started:
My skepticism is not just that he had a cord around his neck, not just that he was out in the boonies on some stranger's property, not just that he supposedly shot himself in the chest with a shotgun as the means of suicide, not just that the shotgun was 30 feet from the tied-up body, not just that he was a Clinton political advisor during the time when Clinton and Epstein were interacting frequently, not just that he was many times the guy who escorted Epstein into the White House on visits, not just that a large number of Clinton-affiliated people die of weird suicides or weight-lifting accidents.
It's all of that together that causes me to be skeptical.
Semp, here's an excellent book you might like, on topics akin to this. JFK and the Unspeakable, by Douglass. It is an important, highly informative book. I think everyone in America should read it.
I'll buy you a copy and send it to you, if you agree to read it.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: RUSH1 on March 15, 2024, 11:32:28 PM
My skepticism is not just that he had a cord around his neck, not just that he was out in the boonies on some stranger's property, not just that he supposedly shot himself in the chest with a shotgun as the means of suicide, not just that the shotgun was 30 feet from the tied-up body, not just that he was a Clinton political advisor during the time when Clinton and Epstein were interacting frequently, not just that he was many times the guy who escorted Epstein into the White House on visits, not just that a large number of Clinton-affiliated people die of weird suicides or weight-lifting accidents.
It's all of that together that causes me to be skeptical.
Semp, here's an excellent book you might like, on topics akin to this. JFK and the Unspeakable, by Douglass. It is an important, highly informative book. I think everyone in America should read it.
I'll buy you a copy and send it to you, if you agree to read
I applaud the effort, but you will never convince people like simp that the democrats do anything wrong. I'm sure that he still believes that the illegal Russian collusion investigation was justified. I say ignore them, as they are becoming less relevant by the day in this country.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Brooke on March 16, 2024, 05:52:36 AM
Semp and I probably disagree on lots of politics. But I think he's fun to talk to and a good guy. There are some folks you can still have fun talking to when you disagree. And there are folks who, if you disagree with them, they get angry and hostile, which makes it not fun. Semp is a guy I'd be happy to have beers with anytime, I think, and talk about whatever. I'll never change his mind on things most likely, but it's the discussion and debate that is fun for me.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Eagler on March 16, 2024, 07:19:55 AM
It's become the norm and expected these days..
Don't believe the narrative and you are a conspiracy nut and media black balls you
Simple and effective
Make too much noise and you commit suicide and no one investigates anything
Working well these days..
Epstein is busy setting up his next pervert island with his new face...just as much chance of that as he is truly dead imo
Corruption and greed and don't forget perversion..they seem to be equal motivations for our leaders these days
Eagler
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 16, 2024, 08:41:04 PM
Came across this part of an interview with the guy. Just throwing it out there for exposure.
Are you in favor of whichever faction has political majority at the time having the ability to silence all critics?
No, not at all but I am getting really tired of statements that the Justice Department is the lapdog of some political force. And totally fed-up with the popular statement that no crimes were committed.
If people lose faith in their Justice System or should the Justice Department become biased by political views, you may as well burn the Constitution and start over.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: AKIron on March 17, 2024, 04:17:06 PM
Politics are against the rules here so I'll say no more on the subject.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Eagler on March 17, 2024, 05:07:32 PM
No, not at all but I am getting really tired of statements that the Justice Department is the lapdog of some political force. And totally fed-up with the popular statement that no crimes were committed.
If people lose faith in their Justice System or should the Justice Department become biased by political views, you may as well burn the Constitution and start over.
Everything is always biased by political views. It is the nature of humans. There is always political fighting. The side in power is always working to use its political influence against its opponents. There are laws to curb that. But just as there is always some crime despite laws and enforcement, there will always be some amount of improper partisan use of government power.
I suspect you do believe in and feel the following were wrong: Watergate, various acts during the McCarthy era, possibly Iran-Contra.
You might agree that these, too, were improper if you knew of them: COINTELPRO, Operation Northwoods, MKUltra, role of American propaganda in starting the Spanish-American War, Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
It is human nature to notice, believe, and decry when it seems the other side is doing it. And to overlook, ignore, and dismiss claims that your side is doing it.
Are there any examples of your preferred side doing such things? Or does it happen at all times throughout history, for all nations, for all political factions -- except the one you like?
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: RUSH1 on March 17, 2024, 06:40:51 PM
Everything is always biased by political views. It is the nature of humans. There is always political fighting. The side in power is always working to use its political influence against its opponents. There are laws to curb that. But just as there is always some crime despite laws and enforcement, there will always be some amount of improper partisan use of government power.
I suspect you do believe in and feel the following were wrong: Watergate, various acts during the McCarthy era, possibly Iran-Contra.
You might agree that these, too, were improper if you knew of them: COINTELPRO, Operation Northwoods, MKUltra, role of American propaganda in starting the Spanish-American War, Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
It is human nature to notice, believe, and decry when it seems the other side is doing it. And to overlook, ignore, and dismiss claims that your side is doing it.
Are there any examples of your preferred side doing such things? Or does it happen at all times throughout history, for all nations, for all political factions -- except the one you like?
Let's see if he touches the Russian collusion hoax (5 year "investigation"), Hillary (FBI/DOJ refused to prosecute), Twitter files/Facebook censoring ecouraged by the FBI, or IRS targeting. Just a start.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Busher on March 17, 2024, 06:58:31 PM
Everything is always biased by political views. It is the nature of humans. There is always political fighting. The side in power is always working to use its political influence against its opponents. There are laws to curb that. But just as there is always some crime despite laws and enforcement, there will always be some amount of improper partisan use of government power.
I suspect you do believe in and feel the following were wrong: Watergate, various acts during the McCarthy era, possibly Iran-Contra.
You might agree that these, too, were improper if you knew of them: COINTELPRO, Operation Northwoods, MKUltra, role of American propaganda in starting the Spanish-American War, Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
It is human nature to notice, believe, and decry when it seems the other side is doing it. And to overlook, ignore, and dismiss claims that your side is doing it.
Are there any examples of your preferred side doing such things? Or does it happen at all times throughout history, for all nations, for all political factions -- except the one you like?
There is far too much to unpack in all these questions. To my limited knowledge, the only crime mentioned in your list that is encapsulated by the US criminal code was Watergate. The Justice Department convicted a few but the perpetrator was pardoned.
I don't care that politicians are corrupt (because they all are) but I do choose to believe that the Justice Department acts according to the Law and is not the weapon of political bias.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Busher on March 17, 2024, 07:10:13 PM
Let's see if he touches the Russian collusion hoax (5 year "investigation"), Hillary (FBI/DOJ refused to prosecute), Twitter files/Facebook censoring ecouraged by the FBI, or IRS targeting. Just a start.
"he"??? That's telling. Only refer to liberal woke leftists in the third person.
But to answer... Russian collusion was not established as a Hoax...Barr redacted Robert Mueller's investigation and evidence. The Justice Department did not refuse to prosecute Hilary... there was insufficient evidence of a crime.. I cannot speak to censorship of Twitter and Facebook.. I use neither. IRS targeting? Who? You?
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Brooke on March 18, 2024, 12:23:26 AM
To my limited knowledge, the only crime mentioned in your list that is encapsulated by the US criminal code was Watergate.
It all involves criminal law, except perhaps in the case of propaganda for the Spanish-American War.
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I don't care that politicians are corrupt (because they all are) but I do choose to believe that the Justice Department acts according to the Law and is not the weapon of political bias.
The DOJ is controlled by politicians (the President, for example), has high-level staff appointed by politicians, and is funded as determined by politicians. If politicians are corrupt, is there some magic that keeps corruption out of an agency controlled, staffed, and paid for politicians?
I understand it might feel better to believe the DOJ to be a pristine and pure form of goodness. But organizations are composed of humans. Imperfect humans.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Brooke on March 18, 2024, 12:59:15 AM
I think things are determined by the rewards and punishments set up in systems around them.
If there is gain for a bad thing, you will get more of it.
If there is punishment for a bad thing, you will get less of it.
There are laws against corruption. But amount of corruption depends on how much money or power it can provide vs. the risk and magnitude of punishment.
Our government controls the flow of $trillions each and every year. It has the power to force taxation, print money (counting the Fed as part of government, although it technically isn't exactly), and determine where all of it goes. Even little slivers of that gravy stream can be enormous wealth to individuals.
The rewards for corruption today are enormous -- as they became during the decline of the Roman Empire. The punishments might not be a large enough deterrent.
Do people ever wonder how higher-level politicians work their entire careers in politics, get paid maybe $100k-$200k/year for a decade or two, yet exit politics with a net worth of $20 million or $100 million? There are many well-known grifts. It's not technically bribery because no company tells you what to do. But generally politicians know what particular companies want. And if the company has long established a policy of hiring helpful former politicians into lucrative directorships or consultancies, or paying enormous speaking fees, or arranging lucrative book deals, politicians can be helpful and then get rewarded without anyone ever having said "if you do this, I will will pay you that." There is the real-estate grift. Where you know a freeway will be put in, or some land purchased for a government housing project, etc., and your pal the real-estate developer happens to buy the land ahead of time, then make huge money on it. And you happened to be part owner. Or the guy gives you a sweet deal on a multimillion-dollar home or several later. There is the trading grift. You know that some legislation is going to pass that affects this or that company, or bond prices, or whatever. You buy or sell beforehand. This insider trading is highly illegal for you and me. But it is legal for congressmen and women.
I wish government organizations were pure and good. But I know that humans are humans -- always -- and it boils down to what the rewards and penalties are. It will always be a fight against corruption, just like it is a fight against rust and decay to keep things working. You need routine examination, cleaning, maintenance, and cutting out rot and replacing that part.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: hazmatt on March 18, 2024, 02:17:45 AM
The uniparty agrees on this one. THEY will tell you what's truth. Do you still think your "Red" or "Blue" team is going to save you?
... “amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill.”
The amendment is sponsored by both Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) and was requested by both the State Department and the Pentagon, according to Hastings.
The newest version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes an amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on the American public,
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Eagler on March 18, 2024, 07:11:44 AM
Some are blind dreamers..busher and several others here must be in that category...
If you can't see the bias these days maybe you don't want to for some reason...like it's OK as it's helping your "side" today...or maybe because it scares the heck out of you like it should..
I don't know how anyone can support our open southern border if you want what is best for the United States.
Eagler
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Busher on March 18, 2024, 11:11:38 AM
Some are blind dreamers..busher and several others here must be in that category...
If you can't see the bias these days maybe you don't want to for some reason...like it's OK as it's helping your "side" today...or maybe because it scares the heck out of you like it should..
I don't know how anyone can support our open southern border if you want what is best for the United States.
Eagler
For the record, I don't have a side... but I am vehemently opposed to lying, draft dodging, misogynistic, insurrectionists.
But I do admire the bi-partisan work what was done to help the southern border issue. Sad it got sewered by the Count of Mostly Crisco.
Title: Re: Corruption and greed at it's best
Post by: Eagler on March 18, 2024, 11:21:09 AM
The border was closed and can be closed by the same clown who opened it for new votes..and $$$ from corporations like Tysons..