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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Banshee7 on April 25, 2024, 09:18:11 AM
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I've been considering buying TrackIR. Those of you that have gone from traditional hat switches to TrackIR, what are your thoughts. Currently, AH is my only flight sim, but if I can adapt to TrackIR, I would love to give DCS or MSFS a try (again).
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I used hat switches entirely before TrackIR. It's intuitive and 100% beats hatswitches.
Tobii Eye Tracker is superior IMO, especially for DCS. Unfortunately AH doesn't support Tobii, so I use TrackIR in AH.
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I used hat switches entirely before TrackIR. It's intuitive and 100% beats hatswitches.
Tobii Eye Tracker is superior IMO, especially for DCS. Unfortunately AH doesn't support Tobii, so I use TrackIR in AH.
Do you still use hat switches to look beyond the limitations of your head movement?
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Do you still use hat switches to look beyond the limitations of your head movement?
Yes jstick views work with both trackir and vr in aces high
Not so in the other sims, it's one or the other
Used trackir b4 vr..it's better than just jstick views imo and as Skyyr stated very intuitive
Eagler
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Do you still use hat switches to look beyond the limitations of your head movement?
No, because there are no limitations in head movement with TrackIR. It's the hatswitches that are limited in views, specifically in regards to off-center and canted views.
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No, because there are no limitations in head movement with TrackIR. It's the hatswitches that are limited in views, specifically in regards to off-center and canted views.
I guess I meant like looking up and/or behind?
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TrackIR works better than VR tho VR is more immersive.
TrackIR you can scale the head movement so that you turn your head 90%to the left, and your view can show looking around your tail. Basically 90% turn gives you 180% view. You can adjust the speed of that look by two times the speed your moving your head (90% movement covering 180% view, = two times) up to puke inducing speeds :devil This is the same for all axis. up-down, left-right, even on the angles.
VR has a much more immersive view setup but is 1 to 1. You look left 90%, your view is left 90% looking out over the wing. There is no adjustments So many people who use VR use the hat switches to save their necks. I read some place that there is a third party program that gives you that scaling in VR but it doesnt work in AH.
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It was easy for me going back to twisty after my pedals broke, took me just two days. But when my TrackIr broke, it felt totally unnatural using hatviews again. Even after week of intensive precticing in DA & TA I just could do it anymore, so I stopped flying fighters altogether for some time.
With a proper setup, it TrackIr became so natural to me, that I find myself subconsciously attempting to use it when playing other games or even watching AH/Air Sim films.
Right now, I’m, using as much cheaper China clone (looking coincidentally exactly like an 'original' TrackIr 5 :noid), because I find the original to be it vastly overpriced.
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I guess I meant like looking up and/or behind?
Yes you can use check 6 and up views with both trackir and vr...
You can use all the jstick views with both
Some of us with old neck injuries rely on the jstick views to limit neck swivel required otherwise
Eagler
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I guess I meant like looking up and/or behind?
Again, it's not needed. I have my scaling at 320%, which means I barely move my head an inch or two at most. Looking behind and up is literally me moving my head up and to the side 2 inches.
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TrackIR you can scale the head movement so that you turn your head 90%to the left, and your view can show looking around your tail. Basically 90% turn gives you 180% view. You can adjust the speed of that look by two times the speed your moving your head (90% movement covering 180% view, = two times) up to puke inducing speeds :devil This is the same for all axis. up-down, left-right, even on the angles.
Again, it's not needed. I have my scaling at 320%, which means I barely move my head an inch or two at most. Looking behind and up is literally me moving my head up and to the side 2 inches.
Ahhhhh that makes so much sense and has me even more willing to try!!!!
Right now, I’m, using as much cheaper China clone (looking coincidentally exactly like an 'original' TrackIr 5 :noid), because I find the original to be it vastly overpriced.
I'm all about cheap, especially no knowing if I'll like it or not
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I have tried TIR many times, but can't get used to it. With the hat switches I can set the head position to see between the canopy frame bracing. With TIR I have to move around to see past the frame. Also, I find it much easier to keep track of my airplane's attitude with hat switch views. (I suppose the HUD ladder might help, but I just can't bring myself to use it.)
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Again, it's not needed. I have my scaling at 320%, which means I barely move my head an inch or two at most. Looking behind and up is literally me moving my head up and to the side 2 inches.
That must take getting used too...seems too fast imo but must work for you
Kong didn't the center view button fix that?
Eagler
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DCS and Track IR is a whole new ballgame. Go for it. Track IR alone should/will improve your game here. Keep in mind though, Track IR is very light sensitive. If you don't have the same consistent lighting in the room when running, it will act up. This limits when I can fly to evenings only, as the sunlight from the windows screws with the lasers/camera connection.
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DCS and Track IR is a whole new ballgame. Go for it. Track IR alone should/will improve your game here.
Good to see you're still around at least on the boards, uptown!
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Good to see you're still around at least on the boards, uptown!
Hey :salute Long time no see. I just finished downloading the game again and was checking out the posts in the meantime. Good to see you still around man! DCS is awesome if you have the time. And time it will take....it took me 2 weeks to start the A10 :joystick: :furious. I have the P47D-30, F15 and A10-C. The only plane I can't fly after a few drinks :mad: The only downside to DCS is there's on P38s for sale. But they have them here :devil. I might see you later <S>
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I'm trying TIR again, so I'll be especially easy to kill for a while -- until I give up...again. :D
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I'm trying TIR again, so I'll be especially easy to kill for a while -- until I give up...again. :D
Dont give up Kong! once you find the sweet spot for the scaling it becomes easy to get use to it. You can go to my help page and under the FLIGHT (http://66.189.11.8:8080/Aces_Help/Aces%20Help%20Page.html#planes2) section I have a zip file with about a dozen profiles for players. Just unzip the folder into the profiles folder in the TrackIR folder and you can access them all by player name. They are pretty close to the same but all a bit different in speed and the curves. Easy to swap from one to another and test for a bit to see how it feels. Fly around the circling planes off line
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I'm trying TIR again, so I'll be especially easy to kill for a while -- until I give up...again. :D
Here's a tip I use, if you turn off the "lean" axis (not on gaming machine atm, not sure if X Y or Z), you'll still get head rotation, but it will use your preset hat switch head positions, ie: if you turn head right to face back right, you'll see the same view as you did when pulling the hat switch back right.
Of course you can't lean and look around stuff, but I personally find it more intuitive for my flying, give it a go!
Steely
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Here's a tip I use, if you turn off the "lean" axis (not on gaming machine atm, not sure if X Y or Z), you'll still get head rotation, but it will use your preset hat switch head positions, ie: if you turn head right to face back right, you'll see the same view as you did when pulling the hat switch back right.
Of course you can't lean and look around stuff, but I personally find it more intuitive for my flying, give it a go!
Steely
Hello,
I believe it's the Y axis you are talking about. I brought my profile from another sim to this one and it worked fairly well except for the rear view. I followed your advice and it works great. I have some more adjustments to make but it's coming along.
Thanks for the tip.
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Hello,
I believe it's the Y axis you are talking about. I brought my profile from another sim to this one and it worked fairly well except for the rear view. I followed your advice and it works great. I have some more adjustments to make but it's coming along.
Thanks for the tip.
As mentioned jstick views buttons work along side trackir and vr in ah...
It helps imo
Eagler
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Totally disoriented. Hard to forget 20+ years of muscle memory. :O
At least it's something new. :D
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Totally disoriented. Hard to forget 20+ years of muscle memory. :O
At least it's something new. :D
Im telling you, its all in how you adjust the curves. Keep at it.
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X=side to side
Y=up and down
Z=in and out.
Use alt tab to spit screen and adjust from there. The rear views are a bit more difficult to adjust in Track IR, but what Eagler said about using a hat switch for rear view works just fine. Especially with the caged cockpits. Bubble tops planes it doesn't really make much difference.
What's cool about the X,Y,Z axis is when looking down in the cockpit zoom increases and decreases when looking back up.
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I found the pro clip with the leds better than just the cap clip
Eagler
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I found the pro clip with the leds better than just the cap clip
Eagler
This. Especially if you wear glasses while playing. In the hat clip mode the camera is shining IR light out at you looking for it to reflect off the cap clip. Your glasses might reflect it back too and mess up the tracking. Took me I while to figure out why my view kept spinning upside down! That's not a problem with the IR clip.
Been in VR for a few years now tho.
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As mentioned jstick views buttons work along side trackir and vr in ah...
It helps imo
Eagler
Hello,
Yeah, you're right. Try as I may, just keeping the rear view on the stick is better-at least on the planes without bubble canopies. I end up contorting around trying to get the best view otherwise.
Just flick the view on the stick and look around. Easy.
Thanks
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Totally disoriented. Hard to forget 20+ years of muscle memory. :O
At least it's something new. :D
Boy...this pretty much nails it. I had to unmap my hat switches. Only one sortie in the MA so far, and it didn't end well :rofl :joystick: