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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Molsman on August 07, 2024, 09:49:18 PM
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last night i was setting up everything and had no issues with the CH PEdals. Tonight when i came in to set the stick up Aces didnt see my Pedals neither did by PC, I using a power Hub connected into my PC but still does not see them and I even rebooted and all. When I played before I had the same issues but after a reboot and relog in they showed. I also have a Twisty stick that I cant seem to get the rudder motion synced,,,, I must be doing something wrong but after a 7 yr break it shouldednt be that different with the controls
Thank you in advance
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Molsman
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Unplug the pedals, you should hear the windows sound played for disconnecting a USB connection. Plugging them back in should also play a sound. If your not getting those sound markers the computer cant find/see the pedals. Try a different USB port. Pedals draw less power so they dont need a powered port.
As for the twisty stick, be sure the twist "Z" axis??? (twist axis) is not mapped to an axis that may be having a conflict with the pedals.
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Ok ty Fug I know the pedals don’t draw much but I just wanted to have all my gaming gear in the power usb hub. I will try again tomorrow
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Unplug the pedals, you should hear the windows sound played for disconnecting a USB connection. Plugging them back in should also play a sound. If your not getting those sound markers the computer cant find/see the pedals. Try a different USB port. Pedals draw less power so they dont need a powered port.
Just as a heads up you can actually disable and even change the connect/disconnect sound.
If you want to just enable/disable USB sounds, either:
Right click on the volume icon in tray and select Sounds
or:
go to Settings -> Personalization -> Themes -> Sounds -> Sounds
Then in Program Events enable/disable "Device Connect" "Device Disconnect" sounds by selecting a sound or "None" for them in the dropdown.
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You may consider disable automatic USB disconnects in Windows
Navigate to the Power and Sleep settings window (from either the Control Panel or from Windows Search)
Choose Additional Power Settings
Click Change Power Plan Settings
Click Change power settings on the selected power plan of your choice
Choose change advanced power settings
From the pop-up window, expand the USB Settings option
Expand the USB Selective Suspend settings
Select Disabled from the drop-down menu and select OK
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Thank you all for this information I will give it a go later on
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This is probably dumb but I'm probably dumb enough to let this happen to me.....make sure you aren't trying to map both the pedals AND the twist of the stick to the Z axis in game. That may cause a cancelling out for one of the devices. Heck, I think it even caused a solar eclipse in my neck of the woods a few months back! Another big thing for me is remembering to hit "save" or "apply" after setting a button or an axis.
Anyhow, I hope you get it sorted.
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I am even worse off now only thing my pc sees is my throttle last night i had both throttle and stick showing the night before I had everything showing, When i first started to map my controllers I started with Pedals first, then throttle , mapped the stick last night, when i went came on tonight i logged in both the game and pc only saw the throttle, , I unplugged everything from the power usb , I heard the bells and all even rebooted my pc still just the throttle only, When I owned my Old CH Pedals i had to relog a few times for the pc to see them and the game, but this pc is alot better then what i had 15 years ago. hopefully this works , I ran a dx report to see if I missing something.
this was with the throttle , stick and pedals uninstalled, i thought the power usb hub would work for me since i do not have that many usb ports available.
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Is it a new powered hub or old powered hub?
Do you have enough USB ports to plug all the controllers in with out the hub?
Id plug in as many controllers in to USB ports as you can. Check them in Windows and the game, even run a reboot to see if they stay. Even if you do this one at a time it could narrow down a bad controller, or bad port. Also, the hub ....if it is old may be dying in which case you'd have these issues.
Its going to be a process of elimination, does the stick work on a USB port vs the hub and so on.
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From your DxDiag output I noticed that you have your Nvidia sound enabled as well as Corsair earphones. If you don't listen any sounds through your monitor speakers (or is it actually a TV), disable the Nvidia HD Sound in the Device Manager and uninstall the driver for it. Then again if you like to watch vids listening to speakers rather than headphones you can leave them. Anyhow that's been known to cause issues at least in the past.
Regarding reboots, you know the difference between choosing 'Restart' in the power menu instead of 'Shutdown' following starting by pressing the power button, don't you? 'Restart' should start from fresh while Shutdown will save the current settings. There's another way to start from fresh, just keep the Shift button pressed while clicking Shutdown. That will shut the computer down in the good old way, wiping everything clean for the next startup. Basically the same as Restart but you never know if the two methods really work similarly. Easy enough to try.
You may also want to try cleaning your Device Manager: Open it and from the View menu choose Show hidden devices. You'll find a bunch of greyed devices there. They're the ones that aren't currently attached or powered, often USB devices that you've plugged into another port. And basically all of them can be safely removed. They'll return on the list when you plug them in the next time.
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Fugi it’s an old powered usb hub but when I connect them to it I hear the sounds it get an unknown usb connection when that happens. I was always an Amd system type of guy and never had problems like this before I got this system 4 years ago and it’s my first intel crap. I even unplugged the power side of the hub to try and just use it as extra usb ports. My system only has 4 ports in the back and 2 up top and I have tried them all.
Biz
Yes I have a tv as a monitor and I never do a complete shutdown always the restart option but I did do a shutdown and booted back up to see if that helped. I will try again when I wake up sometime today was looking at usb hubs for extra ports that are relatively cheap and not powered ones but what baffles me my stick showed but now it doesn’t.
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Ah so you're using a non-powered hub? That might be your problem right there.
To ensure your devices aren't actually dead, try plugging them in one at a time to a port directly on the mobo and see if the PC picks them up. If it does, that's good! Shows the device is operating. If not, it might be dead or at damaged in some way. But if your stuff gets picked up directly by the PC, then it shows you need a different, preferably powered usb hub. There's a bunch of them on Amazon and not too expensive.
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Molesman let us know if you need a powered USB hub, sure someone has one lying around
Eagler
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I will figure this out . I know I will but the power hub I have still lights up and all stuff works but the pc for some reason doesn’t show the extra equipment so I must be doing something wrong with my Polish brain.
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open windows game controller window and plug them in one at a time
you should see windows recognize each one
then calibrate them there first
Eagler
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Still Baffled !!!! when i unplug my CH Pedals I hear nothing, as mentioned before they worked fine Wednesday night along with the stick , my 10 plus year old Power usb hub still works because i have my wireless mouse, headphones and throttle and keyboard all plugged in there. Now when i tried the stick in every open usb port i have now , the stick will chime then an error message will appear saying unknown device, I know these plug n plays and should work but for some reason my Polish arse can't get the to work. Stick shows power to it just not noticed anywhere I check on my pc,,,, Was hoping to fly tonight but guess I will have to wait til i sort all of this out. I did update my sm bus driver but i still have one usb port that i can't figure out how to update it.
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Drivers. Something is telling me the CH stuff needed the drivers in the software to register. Might explain the unknown device. Don't know if that'll work for Win11. I know you had to have the last version of the control manager installed for Win10. Want to say it's v4.55a. Has to be that version or it won't work. Also had to run a program contained in that software called CMStart enabled at windows startup. Remember having a similar problem going from Win7 to Win10. Been a while for this tho.
I have an eclectic mix of stuff these days. VKB, Virpil, MFG and Logitech. Have the software installed for them all if only just to calibrate but only have them at their defaults. I use joystick gremlin to map everything.
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Regarding unknown devices, I repeat my advice about cleaning the Device Manager. At least get rid of the greyed Unknown Devices as they may conflict with the ones that actually work.
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Is the tm1600 throttle I sent being recognized in windows?
I didn't have any issues with it being recognized properly in windows 10 or 11 when I used it..
I would open game controller window and see if they look/act correctly there..
Then leaving that window open go into ah and try to set them up in there..
When I had a x52 hotas I had to leave that game controller window open for ah to see the x52 properly and allow its 3 different settings options to work correctly..
Eagler
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Funny tho both VKB and Virpil say DO NOT even try to use the windows controller panel to manage their controllers. Messes things up. Made that mistake once---it did! IIRC if you clicked on the CH stuff there it would tell you to use the control manager. I just remember battling with my CH stuff when I went from Win7 to 10.
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Funny tho both VKB and Virpil say DO NOT even try to use the windows controller panel to manage their controllers. Messes things up. Made that mistake once---it did! IIRC if you clicked on the CH stuff there it would tell you to use the control manager. I just remember battling with my CH stuff when I went from Win7 to 10.
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I have CH pedals under Win10 and have no issues.
Do you have another computer you can try the controllers on? Anything with a USB port. If you have the same issues, its the controller(s), if they work on the other system, then its your computer. One step at a time.
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Is the tm1600 throttle I sent being recognized in windows?
I didn't have any issues with it being recognized properly in windows 10 or 11 when I used it..
I would open game controller window and see if they look/act correctly there..
Then leaving that window open go into ah and try to set them up in there..
When I had a x52 hotas I had to leave that game controller window open for ah to see the x52 properly and allow its 3 different settings options to work correctly..
Eagler
throttle works fine and the only thing that windows sees right now and also still has the programmed settings i did, the ch pedals also worked that same night i programed the throttle, I did it all in the game that night, then I came in to program the stick the throttle still showed after i programed the stick but when i went to test a flight run offline thats when i noticed the ch pedals werent showing .
Biz I understand what your saying about clean the Device Manager out but I have no grey areas to clean and still windows is not seeing the Stick even though it is lit up .....
Question is TeamView Still a thing , some other players helped me clean my system out back in the day and
I was wondering if this would also help me with my issues now
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updated
DX Report
I have never ever had issues like this before, I was always an AMD guy over intel and this is my first intel system. they all worked for 1 night then just now the throttle is being seen , plug n play means what it says but apparently it doesnt these days, I have the drivers for Thrustmaster and ch but still do not show up. thats why i asked is team viewer is a thing still so someone smarter then me can see what i am doing wrong
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... my 10 plus year old Power usb hub still works because i have my wireless mouse, headphones and throttle and keyboard all plugged in...
They do get weak and "die." Unfortunately mine didn't outright die when it went. Everything needing much power might or might not work the next time I fired up AH. Which seemed random. Another symptom was mysterious windows beeps when the controllers came online or dropped out.
When you're testing the controllers in the PC's sockets, unplug anything other than your keyboard and mouse first to be as sure as you can there is enough power for the one controller you're testing.
Hope this was helpful
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Here's what Skuzzy said about the CH software:
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,365555.msg4864909.html#msg4864909
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,83831.msg827016.html#msg827016
He probably made other posts as well
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Easycor
All my stuff is plugged into my pc . The power usb hub I just started to use again after sitting for years and I use that only for my wireless headset mouse and I have my keyboard plugged into it. The throttle pedals and stick are plugging my mobo so that’s why I keep saying baffled. I will check Skuzzys links out when I wake up.
Dam it!!!!! I just want to Fly!!!! Since you been building up my return
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As recommended by others above, unplug everything not required for a cold boot of your PC. That means only your mouse and keyboard. No USB hub, nothing!
Plug in the joystick. Test, unplug the joystick.
Plug in next controller... rinse and repeat.
Oh, two more things. Try the controller(s) in different sockets as some may have better power than others.
Secondly, I predict you'll need to replace that '10 yr old' (probably original USB 1.0) powered hub with a new 3.0...
I hesitate to say it as my memory may be playing tricks on me, and I wasn't able to find the thread, but I recall Skuzzy saying we didn't need the CH software and AH would run better without it. That's how I always ran 3 of my CH controllers at the same time, no CH software, but yes, a working powered hub as he recommended. Windows 7 through Windows 10.
I never had issues with any controllers until I got into VR, but that's for another post.
Now then, get those controllers working lol.
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Biz I understand what your saying about clean the Device Manager out but I have no grey areas to clean and still windows is not seeing the Stick even though it is lit up .....
Question is TeamView Still a thing , some other players helped me clean my system out back in the day and
I was wondering if this would also help me with my issues now
No grey devices at all under any title? That sounds weird, usually there's some under HID devices and some Microsoft stuff under Sound.
TeamViewer is still around. There's other free to use options as well.
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Powered USB 3.0 Hub, Wenter 5-Port USB Hub Splitter (4 Faster Data Transfer Ports+ 1 Type-C Charging Ports) with Individual LED On/Off Switches, USB Hub 3.0 Powered with Power Adapter for Mac, PC https://a.co/d/7HohxUZ
To eliminate possible issues, this will arrive tomorrow
Hope it helps get you going
Eagler
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Not sure if this will help any one but I had a nightmare issue with my CH gear, Ch Control Manager, and Windows 10 several years ago.
Drano and a few others contributed to that thread.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,400107.msg5303706.html
However I found that ultimately the best Fix for bad CH Gear was to Buy Virpil.
The only CH gear I have is my Throttle Quadrant and Yoke (the Yoke is getting replaced soon when I get back into civilian flight sims like MSFS, Xplane 11/12)
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thank you but I am good to go now and back flying
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thank you but I am good to go now and back flying
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So what got you over the hump? How did you get it worked out?
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thank you but I am good to go now and back flying
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Awesome!
See you in ma!
Eagler