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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: nrshida on September 24, 2024, 05:12:13 AM
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In an other thread (which I think has ran its course):
One word. Drex
Flew with levi and drex.
Drex
Agreed
Drex didnt give a flip about landing his kills.
Imagine that: a skilled pilot not trying to force everyone to worship him, but doing the art for art's sake. Sounds like my kind of FPH but he was before my time. What did he fly and which style of Kung Fu did he use? Any film? I've seen a few Levi films but nothing about Drex.
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I have no films. Wish I did. Watched them all. He flew during the golden era of furballing. When on a good nite 10 per side would go at it.
The one I remember was him in a D25 flying into the fight low and slow at the bottom of the ball. Who can resist a Jug low and slow ? I think he came out the other side with 4 or 5 kills. One of his films was a 4 on 1. They died one at a time.
Shane uses that reverse. With Drex, he was always perfect position when the con popped through for a 100 yard shot..
I think Fugi has an artical by Drex on reversing. Someone also had a post about Drex at the con.
Love to see some films !!
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Drex fought against plumbers.
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Drex fought against plumbers.
I had actually typed out the following response but deleted it because I figured I would get dogpiled by a few members on the boards even though I meant no harm:
"No discredit to anyone, but remember it was easier to look good when the arenas were overpopulated with noobs."
I think Drex was before my time, as I do not remember him at all.
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I had actually typed out the following response but deleted it because I figured I would get dogpiled by a few members on the boards even though I meant no harm:
"No discredit to anyone, but remember it was easier to look good when the arenas were overpopulated with noobs."
I think Drex was before my time, as I do not remember him at all.
And you would indeed (and are going to get so.) You should have left it unsaid knowing how wrong it is.
I'll go out on a limb and totally discredit that opinion, focusing on the more realistic it's "easier to seem good when the talent pool has diminished." And by diminished, I mean aging and less motivated to wander outside their lanes.
There were literally 20+ top sticks in the air at any given time plus a bunch to very good second tier players, the maps were smaller so running was more difficult (and the real good sticks couldn't be bothered to chase players who did) but still a thing for certain player/skwad types.
See where this is going? I think you do. Something else to keep in mind is that many of the players showing up on "top/best/greatest" lists earned their reputations organically thru displays of confidence, not ego.
But for the sake of discussion, who would you list as the currently playing top 10 pilots?
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Drex was a godlike pilot. I flew with him back in WB, he could make any plane dance.
What made him godlike was a same skill that YKW has - perfect shooting. At one of the conventions, I think it was Washington DC, I watched Drex play. He would track the shoot at D8 (800 yards), (and shooting at range was harder in WB then it is in AH ), squeezed the trigger at D7, for just 2-3 seconds. 1 second later, all those rounds land into his enemy at D6. No corrections, nothing. Just perfectly placed shot. If you crossed his nose, you were dead.
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I'll go out on a limb and totally discredit that opinion, focusing on the more realistic it's "easier to seem good when the talent pool has diminished." And by diminished, I mean aging and less motivated to wander outside their lanes.
According to the boards, all that's left in the game is the "best of the best." Not my quote, but it's been said several times.
There were literally 20+ top sticks in the air at any given time plus a bunch to very good second tier players, the maps were smaller so running was more difficult (and the real good sticks couldn't be bothered to chase players who did) but still a thing for certain player/skwad types.
20 top sticks out of 600 players online (just saying 300 for each of the two LW Arenas) = 3%
20 top sticks out of 100 players online at one time these days = 20%.
I have yet to see any of these "n00bs" that skilled players are taking advantage of these days. There are no #s guys anymore. I stand by my statement that the population density of new players was higher during those days.
Also, those pilots were most likely spread between two fronts on all three countries, whereas today there is typically one fight on the map at a time.
See where this is going? I think you do. Something else to keep in mind is that many of the players showing up on "top/best/greatest" lists earned their reputations organically thru displays of confidence, not ego.
So we agree that most of this is subjective, and that everyone's "top/best/greatest" is going to be different.
But for the sake of discussion, who would you list as the currently playing top 10 pilots?
Never even thought about it, especially since most of the pilots flying these days have "diminished in skill" (your words, not mine). And there's really no standout pilots anymore to even warrant the attention of creating a list.
As I stated (which you obviously overlooked in your attempt to sound like an expert just like another member on this board), I take no credit away from those guys and stand by my statement.
By the way, you complain a whole lot about anklehumpers, yet here you are...constantly on mine.
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What was amazing to me in his reversals is while performing it, to track the con from behind to the front and align his a/c to the pop of the con. Then just pull the trigger. It was right there at D1 or D2
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I would add that back then noobies were AW and WB Veterans...
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Drex flew in AH3 for a couple of hours in tour 210. Haven't seen him since.
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Back in the day, so called noobs made the effort to improve. The training arena and dueling arena were always busy. The good sticks offered to take time to help new guys. Many players back then were extremely good and dweebish game play was called out. I don't see much of the same standard of game play now.
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According to the boards, all that's left in the game is the "best of the best." Not my quote, but it's been said several times.
20 top sticks out of 600 players online (just saying 300 for each of the two LW Arenas) = 3%
20 top sticks out of 100 players online at one time these days = 20%.
I have yet to see any of these "n00bs" that skilled players are taking advantage of these days. There are no #s guys anymore. I stand by my statement that the population density of new players was higher during those days.
Also, those pilots were most likely spread between two fronts on all three countries, whereas today there is typically one fight on the map at a time.
So we agree that most of this is subjective, and that everyone's "top/best/greatest" is going to be different.
Never even thought about it, especially since most of the pilots flying these days have diminished in skill. And there's really no standout pilots anymore to even warrant the attention of creating a list.
As I stated (which you obviously overlooked in your attempt to sound like an expert just like another member on this board), I take no credit away from those guys and stand by my statement.
By the way, you complain a whole lot about anklehumpers, yet here you are...constantly on mine.
Link to where it's been stated that today's remnants are the "best of the best" ??
I was generously underestimating the 20 in air, and as mentioned there were many more second tier players. The entire player base was 15-20 years younger with all that implies. Today's furball seems to consist of 3-7 players per side, while back then it was 30-40 going at it over bases all along the ingress/egress routes.
Yes, there are vastly less new players, but that doesn't change the fact that many long-time players have settled into their lanes and have not felt the need (or are simply incapable for one reason or other) to get better in a fighter. The in-air density of dangerous players is way below where it used to be.
Lists are subjective, yes, but patterns emerge.
Of course you can opine on who you think is the best of today. You already have the list in your head.
You basically agreed with the statement; I merely corrected the phrasing.
If you had no experience with Drex, why are you even here, let alone inserting the above half-assed opinion?
I'm not so much humping your ankle as much as putting a stop to your misplaced hero worship. Your boi is gone. You've been whining about not finding fights yet seem incapable of starting one (except here on the forums, lol.) Why are you expecting to be handed the gaming experience you want instead of participating in creating it for yourself? See, it's that one-dimensional outlook that's your barrier to finding the experience you seek.
Are you about fun or about kills? I think we've seen you skew towards the one that doesn't generate fun.
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A lot of words
Again, you’re wrong. I never once had intentions of even mentioning the player you speak of. It was you who brought him up, and I have never once EVER stated he was the best ever. Was he the best currently? Yes, for sure.
You are nothing but drama, and probably just as much as a cancer to this game as what some of you claimed he was.
To answer your question, getting kills is fun to me. I know how to play all aspects of this game despite what you might think. I have spent countless hours creating fights, defending and taking bases etc.
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Again, you’re wrong. I never once had intentions of even mentioning the player you speak of. It was you who brought him up, and I have never once EVER stated he was the best ever. Was he the best currently? Yes, for sure.
You are nothing but drama, and probably just as much as a cancer to this game as what some of you claimed he was.
To answer your question, getting kills is fun to me. I know how to play all aspects of this game despite what you might think. I have spent countless hours creating fights, defending and taking bases etc.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rofl :rofl :rofl
This passive/aggressive slobbering is amusing. It was entirely your intention.
I never claimed he was a cancer to the game, lofl. Put less lying in your lying, plis, k, thx. I had no problems with your boi other than his ego standing in his way of the legacy he craves (plus he wasn't all that.)
Thought you were leaving? And "peacefully" at that?
You ever take a look at what you've posted here, especially the past few weeks?
I guess some are more willing to give you space to de-stockholm than I might be, but then, you're leaving, right?
Seriously why did you feel the need to jump in a "drex" thread? Did who made the post trigger something?
I'm genuinely puzzled why you felt the need (after rightfully realizing you shouldn't) to post what you did?
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None of you fly very well....if you were meant to fly, you would have been born with wings. Instead yall were all born with arms and spend all your time trying to keep that amount of distant away from everyone else.
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I swallowed a fly once :)
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I swallowed a fly once :)
That's probably the best meal you ever had in England. ;)
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Imagine being able to play for 8-12 hours a day, then having to target players with 3 accounts and postional awareness of the entire map, switching to go after 1 player every time they logged in. Using the fastest planes with the best cannons, and then crapping all over the players who aren't as practiced. :rofl
Just not the example of the "best" most people have in mind.
But as Shane said, people get older, people get new equipment which reduces skill a bit in the short run. People get health issues. I'd recon there were a lot of really great sticks between 2000-2010. Just look at the scores. Back then it was new and fresh and everyone wanted to be a top furballer. There were a lot of great squads back then aswell with huge #s. I think its a lot different than it is today but either way, you still have to be on your toes. Any noob can kill you once you get caught up in a fight.
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None of you fly very well....if you were meant to fly, you would have been born with wings. Instead yall were all born with arms and spend all your time trying to keep that amount of distant away from everyone else.
I'm going to key the side of your p38!
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I would have loved to see Drex's reversal techniques. That's my favorite style of fighting. Being a good aimer definitely takes you to another level. Being able to snap shot quickly for the kill in the reversal is extremely important. Something I've always tried to work on, but haven't totally perfected. Grizz was very similar with Aim. One of the best 30mm shooters. It would always scare me if he got any kind of gun solution.
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I'm going to key the side of your p38!
:rofl Keying a 38 that has holes all in it is too funny. Don't lose your key off in one of those holes. :D
If you drive around a bit you can find pieces of my 38 you can key. They are all over the map. :neener:
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I swallowed a fly once :)
Zack is awesome :banana:
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Zack is awesome :banana:
The Zack deficiency on this bored has been cured :old:
That'll be 5,000 perk points :banana:
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I swallowed a fly once :)
Newb! I shallowed a spider once. :D
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I swallowed a fly once :)
Fact... when he talks on mic, you can hear a zipper with every word.
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I get the feeling you all need policing more then the streets of Portland.
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Back in the day, so called noobs made the effort to improve. The training arena and dueling arena were always busy. The good sticks offered to take time to help new guys. Many players back then were extremely good and dweebish game play was called out. I don't see much of the same standard of game play now.
The war/capture the flag is the game now. The amount of furballing is about 2 hours a day in the evenings ~9pmEST. The rest of the dogfighting unfortunately is found in most cases by forcing it or attempting to find escorts of bombers and jabos. It’s better on the weekends for a few hours longer, but if one refuses to participate in the war effort now they’re going to be bored.
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According to the boards, all that's left in the game is the "best of the best." Not my quote, but it's been said several times.
20 top sticks out of 600 players online (just saying 300 for each of the two LW Arenas) = 3%
20 top sticks out of 100 players online at one time these days = 20%.
I have yet to see any of these "n00bs" that skilled players are taking advantage of these days. There are no #s guys anymore. I stand by my statement that the population density of new players was higher during those days.
Also, those pilots were most likely spread between two fronts on all three countries, whereas today there is typically one fight on the map at a time.
So we agree that most of this is subjective, and that everyone's "top/best/greatest" is going to be different.
Never even thought about it, especially since most of the pilots flying these days have "diminished in skill" (your words, not mine). And there's really no standout pilots anymore to even warrant the attention of creating a list.
As I stated (which you obviously overlooked in your attempt to sound like an expert just like another member on this board), I take no credit away from those guys and stand by my statement.
By the way, you complain a whole lot about anklehumpers, yet here you are...constantly on mine.
When the game came to Steam, i remember getting 20 kills in a single sorty flying with a p51 trough a swarm. I stopped doing that after 1 sorty and instead try and help them. Everything here is indeed subjectief,
One month i fly a bit for score the other i dont care and try to bait as many pilots to lawn dart or up from capped bases. Score doesnt mean anything. The good players know each other the only thing that really mattered skill wise was KOTH.
Last night i merged with Lazer, we had a good fight and we had fun. Having fun is the only thing thats important here.
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Was he the best currently? Yes, for sure.
Lol, no
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Lol, no
These guys give this waste way too much credit.
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In an other thread (which I think has ran its course):
Imagine that: a skilled pilot not trying to force everyone to worship him, but doing the art for art's sake. Sounds like my kind of FPH but he was before my time. What did he fly and which style of Kung Fu did he use? Any film? I've seen a few Levi films but nothing about Drex.
Levi (Leviathon - Dead Man Flying) was equally gifted. I recall him defending a base with myself and one other against 10 +/- attackers. He dispatched a Spit 5 and methodically took down all but 2, who ran for the hills. He never wasted an ounce of energy nor a round of ammo.
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If the MA is "too easy and there isn't much competition" in your eyes. Simply change your plane to an early war or early midwar. That will drastically change the level.
You have to think, how good would these players really be by limititing themselves to the hardest fighters and see how successful they can be. That's where the real skill and measurement is, but it also makes it a lot more fun for everyone else.
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I don’t remember ever running into Drex. I’m guessing he would’ve been a fun fight. Skill and who’s better/best is certainly subjective. The game is generally too nuanced and run over too long of a span to ever answer that question.
One thing is certain though. The dynamics of the MA have certainly evolved over the years. Back before the P-47N/M showed up I was much more deadly as a Jug pilot. Not because I was that much better (I was though) but because no one ever expected it to be a pure fighter. At the time it was used almost exclusively as a heavy dive bomber. So, when I came lumbering along low into a horde, players were often genuinely surprised that a dog fight started. That gave me an early advantage in a lot of engagements back then. I remember doing almost exactly what was described Drex did earlier in this thread regularly.
The reciprocal was and still is also true for me. When I see a P-51 for example. I usually write that guy off as a pure “one pass haul a…” and still can get occasionally caught off guard when one actually turns in to fight after the first pass.
The game certainly isn’t populated with the best of the best these days. But the average overall skill level of players is certainly much higher. Your chances of running into a truly good stick on any given sortie are multiplied greatly as well (maybe 1 in 5 instead of 1 in 30). The days of waxing a couple noobs/average players before the better sticks can react and challenge you are pretty much nonexistent. Combine that with certain game features (awacs) and your chances of flying away from a low and slow 4v1 are greatly diminished. Especially if you aren’t in a quick accelerating fast aircraft.
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Those were fun days. Drex, Levi, Nath, furball, morph, hub, jaxxo, lazy, badboy, max... among a few others. I wasn't nearly as good as any of them, but I was ok. It was incredible to watch 5 or 6 of us up and head into 15+ and absolutely annihilate them. Some of the best times I've ever had playing a video game.
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Agreed !!
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Drex fought against plumbers.
I miss Filth.
He was a plumber.
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I remember 3 or 4 of us attacking Levi about 5-10 miles off our base. I know I died at least three times before and the others were close to the same before someone finally shot him down. He must have had 10 kills that run twisting and turning on the deck. :joystick:
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I miss Filth.
He was a plumber.
Filth fought hard
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Filth fought hard
Awesome stick in the p40 :airplane:
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Remarkable no one has a single ahf file! I could make a YouTube vid, still have AH2 installed on my laptop. :banana:
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Remarkable no one has a single ahf file! I could make a YouTube vid, still have AH2 installed on my laptop. :banana:
The people who would have those films are either dead, have a new PC, or they no longer view this board to even see this post…
Sadly
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The people who would have those films are either dead, have a new PC, or they no longer view this board to even see this post…
Sadly
It's hard to say goodbye isn't it Jo :salute
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Remarkable no one has a single ahf file! I could make a YouTube vid, still have AH2 installed on my laptop. :banana:
I have a zipped DREX folder but when I opened it all the films were just a second long.....odd
I do have some Levi films that work along with many other OG players.
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drex account still lingering around in the last week... :noid
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Remarkable no one has a single ahf file! I could make a YouTube vid, still have AH2 installed on my laptop. :banana:
I have a bunch of films from 2011/2012... some of the terrains are no longer with us, and display as night time and dark, blank terrain...
whoa, I found a Drex film - I'll post! 2011ish (I was amidst a return of my own and happened to see him (after being gone for years already - guess he paid a short visit) in a ki84 and decided to loosely follow and wing up with him - Drex, right?!? The film terrain is pitch black and the sky a midnight starfield, so the film can be sort of watched with trails on. It was a furballish situation from 10k down to about 3k. I got 4 kills and 2 assists, not sure about him since system msgs were more constrained back then, but I guess you could watch from his perspective and kind of see some of his kills. Mayvbe tweak gamma somehow to lighten up the playback, I dunno.
I may even have some of the 8th dueling ladder matches with sunsfan and slash27... I think I also found Joachim vs Dr. Spek for the final round of the 8th bracket. Also found a series of 11 duels with Bruv (not sure if Bracket or ladder or fun, but think maybe funsies or ladder as I can find no bracket match vs him.) Think it was 7-4 (I won first 2 and last 2) in his favor so the last few may have just been for funsies if it was a ladder match. I'll post them in film forum if you want - the terrain shows clear and daylight.
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I have a zipped DREX folder but when I opened it all the films were just a second long.....odd
Don't delete them! Maybe it's just a film-viewer issue if the files are different sizes. If only we could get Mr. Dolby a copy of the AH1 film viewer, imagine :banana:
whoa, I found a Drex film - I'll post!
:aok
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Don't delete them! Maybe it's just a film-viewer issue if the files are different sizes. If only we could get Mr. Dolby a copy of the AH1 film viewer, imagine :banana:
:aok
They are all under 1000KB. I tried them with AH1, AH2, and AH3 film viewers and they are all the same, 1 second long and dont show anything.
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I may even have some of the 8th dueling ladder matches with sunsfan and slash27... I think I also found Joachim vs Dr. Spek for the final round of the 8th bracket. Also found a series of 11 duels with Bruv (not sure if Bracket or ladder or fun, but think maybe funsies or ladder as I can find no bracket match vs him.) Think it was 7-4 (I won first 2 and last 2) in his favor so the last few may have just been for funsies if it was a ladder match. I'll post them in film forum if you want - the terrain shows clear and daylight.
He was up 3-0 on me and I reverse swept him for a 4-3 victory. Some great fights they were.
I sadly lost EVERY .AHF file from 2009-2018 in a hardware crash. :( so the only films I really have anymore were from my final year and a half of playing.
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He was up 3-0 on me and I reverse swept him for a 4-3 victory. Some great fights they were.
I sadly lost EVERY .AHF file from 2009-2018 in a hardware crash. :( so the only films I really have any more were from my final year and a half of playing.
I have 6 of the films (yours, actually, when you posted results.) Do you want me to post them in the films forum?
Missing the first fight, tho' but the other 6 were 4-2 in your favor:
1st unknown (1-0)
2nd La7 Spek wins (2-0)
3rd 109g14 Spek wins (3-0)
4th 109f4 Joachim wins (1-3)
5th 109g2 Joachim wins (2-3
6th Spit16 Joachim wins (3-3)
7th Spit16 Joachim wins (4-3) BaldEagl's 8th Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Champion (2011)
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In WB 2 players stood out to me as the gifted one's : EADG and DREX , both trainers over there.
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Wolf was also good. There was also Steve. I did a group training thing with him. Great class.
Save who was the pilot that flew a F6F that was real good ?. He never came over.
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Wolf was also good. There was also Steve. I did a group training thing with him. Great class.
Save who was the pilot that flew a F6F that was real good ?. He never came over.
Mathman the Hellcat pilot you're thinking of maybe? Steve was good in the 51, BigR was better in it IMO.
I learned so much from Levi, that's why I became a Spit5 pilot, and the last year I played I was mainly in the Ki43 - I had a few months where I only played a few hours around 2015 or so, but had over a 10 k/hour (one month was 12) with a 3+ k/d in that thing, using the exact method Leviathan showed me in the Spit 5 in the Ki43 instead.
I resubbed recently but had a couple health setbacks, but am back on track now and will be back in the friendly skies very shortly.
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Again in WB, what stood out for me for EADG and DREX was they were good in pretty much any plane unlike (as for example me or PJK) that were good enough to be trainers in one or 2 plane types and its derivatives.
Worr were the given trainers leader (IRL priest). As head of the EURO-trainers I were lucky to wing a German older gentleman who flew with Hartmann after the war (was it Wizkid?). All those stories...
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I have 6 of the films (yours, actually, when you posted results.) Do you want me to post them in the films forum?
Missing the first fight, tho' but the other 6 were 4-2 in your favor:
1st unknown (1-0)
2nd La7 Spek wins (2-0)
3rd 109g14 Spek wins (3-0)
4th 109f4 Joachim wins (1-3)
5th 109g2 Joachim wins (2-3
6th Spit16 Joachim wins (3-3)
7th Spit16 Joachim wins (4-3) BaldEagl's 8th Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Champion (2011)
Hell yeah post them! I’d love to watch them again.
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I learned so much from Levi, that's why I became a Spit5 pilot, and the last year I played I was mainly in the Ki43 - I had a few months where I only played a few hours around 2015 or so, but had over a 10 k/hour (one month was 12) with a 3+ k/d in that thing, using the exact method Leviathan showed me in the Spit 5 in the Ki43 instead.
The original inquiry was about the method. Anything counter-intuitive or is it top secret?
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Hell yeah post them! I’d love to watch them again.
done. enjoy! https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409881.0.html
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I would think TonyJoey in his 51 would be up there
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{{{{ Obi Wan Kanobi VOICE}}}}
"Tony Joey...now there's a name I haven't heard in a long long time."
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{{{{ Obi Wan Kanobi VOICE}}}}
"Tony Joey...now there's a name I haven't heard in a long long time."
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Well i mentioned him in another thread not long ago ;) But yeah he was ridiculously good in the P51. Posted some amazing #s at the time, but was very well versed in E management in that thing.
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Nice guy, as well. No ego trips.
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Well i mentioned him in another thread not long ago ;) But yeah he was ridiculously good in the P51. Posted some amazing #s at the time, but was very well versed in E management in that thing.
sorry vio didn't see that post credit all yours lol
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The original inquiry was about the method. Anything counter-intuitive or is it top secret?
Drex used BFM that he would coriograph into a dance,he could enter a fur ball from the bottom and maneuver his AC to the top taking anything out that got into his gunsight. His aim was second to none much like his ability to track all the targets. IIRC he would set his display up to a very low resolution,remember back then a 17 in monitor was huge.
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sorry vio didn't see that post credit all yours lol
Meh! I was justing sayin :D. I'm glad others remember him though.
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Drex used BFM that he would coriograph into a dance,he could enter a fur ball from the bottom and maneuver his AC to the top taking anything out that got into his gunsight. His aim was second to none much like his ability to track all the targets. IIRC he would set his display up to a very low resolution,remember back then a 17 in monitor was huge.
I think I remember HT in a thread during that con that Drex won the 1v1 duel tournament, and that people were saying Drex had set his resolution to 800x600-ish or even lower (1080p was the typical resolution back then, before LCD monitors were any good for gaming and during the 17, 19 and 21" monitor days). Gave you a larger target on screen which made accuracy/speed/etc increase a bit.
Anyhow, I remember when Drex won, HT put something into the AH update so that when you launched the game, the entry screen said "Drex rules" or something similar to that, I can't recall exactly because it was 22 or more years ago now. That stayed up for a week or two, "Drex rules", every player in the game would see that with every launch of the game executable. Good times.
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I remember the WB F6F pilot now.
Scope
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I remember a pilot named “zankro” who was unbeatable in a sero.
Not sure of the spelling.
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Wadke?
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I may even have some of the 8th dueling ladder matches with sunsfan and slash27...
Did I win?
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Did I win?
Sort of, kind of, but not really. :neener:
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409881.0.html
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Sort of, kind of, but not really. :neener:
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409881.0.html
dammit.....