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Title: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 08, 2024, 06:10:50 PM
This video was taken in 1995 when I was working with Jefferson Starship, by someone in the audience on VCR tape. I have the raw on another HDD, but found a copy on YT.
Diana Mangano, the singer who replaced Grace Slick, and I had a short thing going on. I'm hidden on your right side of the stage, mixing monitors, where she tends to gravitate and look in this song. You can't see me, that in the design. She sang to me a lot lol
Just old memories.
Title: Re: Vid from my past
Post by: Animl-AW on October 08, 2024, 06:31:11 PM
Title: Re: Vid from my past
Post by: Animl-AW on October 08, 2024, 06:33:13 PM
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 09, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
Did she ever sing “one pill looks like barney and one pill looks like fred.”?
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 09, 2024, 08:29:01 PM
Did she ever sing “one pill looks like barney and one pill looks like fred.”?
Pretty sure Flintstone vitamins were bootlegged before they existed.
I did notice I musta stunted her hearing with volume on Lawman. She pointed to her ear for more volume on this quieter song.
She’s kewl chick. Too bad she left a few months later and I was out with someone else, I think Starship, another replacement relationship lol. that dreaded fork in the road.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 10, 2024, 10:51:03 AM
Grace Slick sang a parody commercial for flintstones vitamins.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 11, 2024, 05:18:02 PM
I'm so old I don't tie shoe laces anymore, I use slipons or velcro. :D
Since retirement October 2023 I'd bet 350 days have been t-shirt, gym shorts and flip flops..and that's dressed up lol
Jefferson Starship Miracles is a great 70's cosmic concert memory...
Eagler
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 12, 2024, 06:47:19 PM
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I'm so old I don't tie shoe laces anymore, I use slipons or velcro.
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Since retirement October 2023 I'd bet 350 days have been t-shirt, gym shorts and flip flops..and that's dressed up lol
<blank stare> <shudders>
I'm doomed.
I'll need props when I retire to the living room pasture. I already have beige carpeting for sand. I figure I'll get a palm tree in a planter, a very bright studio UV light for sun, and a Walmart shelf water fall for tinkle ambiance, along with a waves loop my alarm clock. That's all I'll ever need. It'll be great! Chicks will dig me. <cough> <breaks down sobbing> FLIP FLOPS!! I'll have to find my biker boots for decor.
Problem with my era of live sound, I missed all the original on the albums epic legends of 68-75 by 5 yrs. I started in 79-80-ish. In the 80s I'd get them with at least one original member from an album was replaced. But artist from 75 on I got a lot of 100% originals. Not much from the 80s was sustainable unforgettable music, certainly would no longer fill any arena. So they ran fragmented bands from 75 on a lot in the 90s. late 90s on I got all top shelf artist. Kinda sorta didn't matter, because they had all sobered up and were playing superb, even with hired guns. with Single name artist, it matters not. Hired guns are usually better then the prior.
I worked with both Jefferson Starship (w/ Grace Slick replacement) and Starship w/ Mickey Thomas (w/Grace Slick replacement). Different females, but both pulled it off,... sometimes better.
I dunno how da guy did it, but there's only right side sound, mono, but single sided. I'll probably redo them and clean them up. Kansas vid is kind hopeless, as Steve trashed his vocals.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Oldman731 on October 12, 2024, 07:56:10 PM
I worked with both Jefferson Starship (w/ Grace Slick replacement) and Starship w/ Mickey Thomas (w/Grace Slick replacement). Different females, but both pulled it off,... sometimes better.
There was only one Gracie Slick.
- oldman
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: -gg- on October 13, 2024, 01:03:18 AM
Pretty cool, Animal. Looks like you had a lot of fun and some great experiences over the years.
:rock
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 13, 2024, 08:19:14 AM
Yep. We become imprinted with a face and voice. Even if the replacement is as good or better, its just not the same, and the replacement will never feel 100% confident they are pulling it off and will require more attention. There’s only one Grace Slick, one Alice Cooper one Robert Plant etc..
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 13, 2024, 09:11:38 AM
Pretty cool, Animal. Looks like you had a lot of fun and some great experiences over the years.
:rock
Its more bitter sweet. Its a life and soul sucking biz with snakes around every corner wanting your job. Very similar to egos of flight sims. Have one bad event, even if its not your fault, the hyenas come out and within 24 hrs half the industry knows about it and use it as a tool to destroy your reputation and take your job, even if they know they can’t handle it. We all know each other, news passes very quick. I never lost a show,…so not too much worry.
I had a few who were foolish enough to try me. One guy spent years trying to pummel me. When I took the Aretha return tour, I had to pass on a show at a popular venue I worked. This guy finally got his chance as I created a vacuum. He coughed blood on his first show, was fired that night. He just cooked his reputation and was done besides small fest and bars. I torched a few like that. Skyyrs are everywhere.
Your name is EVERYTHING. I spent 45 yrs building my name. The behind the curtains tribe, I was famous to them and artist, high demand, calendar was always stuffed. Common joe doesn’t know my name, the industry does. I was told when I walk in I make every sound engineer nervous. People I never met knew who I was. Took Chicago Tribune 1.5 yrs to get an interview and have a full page story about me, still out there. Bad editing but it was a kinda tribute.
So when people drag your name into a negative light you’re going to pummel them to pieces.
Key proof my name is clear,… if ANYTHING some here tried to exploit was true I would have NEVER EVER passed a secret service bkg check and be allowed on any president speech. I worked with the last 7 presidents. That aline is proof what some tried to do here is 110% bullsht. I have WH clearance since 91.
Rick Derringer (Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo) cured me of star-struck on my first pro concert in 81. I was a huge fan, was excited. Met him on stage getting ready for sound check, just talking like normal people. Small talk. Then I asked for an autograph and watched him instantly change that I was now a fan and he was the star. Totally changed. It was disheartening. I never asked for a photo or autograph ever again. I took the stance, I can make you or break you with one knob out of 3000, we will speak on an equal professional level or you’ll have a bad night. I get paid to keep the stage and artist in line and performing well. People like Rick James had a bad night.
Most are friendly and respect my power and I respect their status, we have names.. BB King, Alice Cooper and Ringo Starr topped my list of very friendly down to earth people, just cool peeps. BB King was like family for 12 yrs.
Point being, I will protect my name, however ridiculous, even if I have to go legal. Toy with my name and thou shall feel how hard my bite is. My name feeds me.
Just remember, I’m just another dude, with an odd job, nothing more, nothing less. I leave my work at work and go fishing. :)
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 13, 2024, 09:23:33 AM
End of the Chicago Trib article.
.....Can you give my readers a few juicy inside stories regarding the rich and famous?
“As far as going public, I can talk about incidents, but I can’t mention names. It’s like voodoo to us because we do know the inside stuff. If I tell something to some tabloid writer about a celebrity and some other celebrity reads it. That performer could very well say they don’t want me near them because I blabbed something.”
But the celebs probably wouldn’t mind if you told me a nice story about them.
“I worked with B.B. King every year for 12 years at the Holiday Star Theater. B.B. King was special. And I’m not talking about his playing. B.B. King would always thank the sound crew after every performance – which almost nobody does. On his way off stage, he would come right to me, step over all my cables, reach over my console and shake my hand. B.B. King did that after every show for 12 years. He was one of the best humans beings I’ve ever known.”
Great story. One more.
“I was at the Fox Theatre in Detroit with Aretha Franklin; she was the entertainment and Al Gore was flying in to hand out a plaque. I got Aretha’s show set up and everything was fine. There were all these celebrities. There was Secret Service. There also was this little old lady with all these bodyguards around her. She was kinda making me nervous because she just right there. I told a couple of the bodyguards, who were mostly Detroit cops, that the little old lady was distracting me. And that I didn’t want to turn around and walk into some poor old woman in a wheelchair. I asked if they could just back her up a little bit. They all started laughing at me. I’m like, what’s so funny, this is serious. I can’t be distracted during Aretha’s Franklin’s show. Period. They asked me if I knew who the little old lady was. I told them I did not. That’s when they told me: ‘That’s Rosa Parks.’ Unbeknownst to me, that’s who Gore was presenting the plaque to.”
Whoa! What next?
“I told the bodyguards to grab her wheelchair and wheel it right next to me by the console. Rosa sat on my right-hand side and watched me mix Aretha’s show.”
**
[Name Witheld] used to do about 120 shows a year, but he tired of the “carny life” as he puts it. These days he might do two concerts a year. He concentrates on more local corporate gigs.
But I’d say no gig was more prestigious than the one he did for Aretha Franklin in Detroit, where he saw to it that Rosa Parks got a seat “at the front of the bus.”
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Brooke on October 16, 2024, 09:18:08 PM
Nifty.
I went to a Jefferson Starship concert in Nashville last year. Not all original members, of course, did have Friedberg and Baldwin.
I loved hearing and seeing Jude Gold's version of this:
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Brooke on October 16, 2024, 09:24:17 PM
Animal, what are some of your favorite songs, not just from Starship, but overall?
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 17, 2024, 04:42:08 PM
Wow, thats seriously hard to answer. I’ve heard stuff from all over the world and every genre. Example: a missionary in the jungles of Africa found this group of people/tribe with hand made instruments, some I’ve never seen. Like a single string guitar type. The way he played it you’d never think only one string. He dragged them out of the jungle and fkew them in for a special event. It was killer music.
Done stuff from Cuba, Japan, China, Africa etc… one thing you discover really fast, even though you may not understand the language you know what they are singing about,…love, love lost, pain, happiness, hope. Same stuff we sing about.
I can like something out of every genre, but rap and hip-hop, techno, autotune crap not to fond of.
I can enjoy everything from symphonies to metal. I have an extremely wide range to narrow it down.
I probably have 1000 fav songs. Anything thats done well I can like, simple to complex.
However, because its done so damn well, I’ve never put on a Pink Floyd album and be disappointed. It has a definite immersion. It really pulls you in. Probably tops the list of greatest bands to me.
Every week I can be into something else. Before getting in the biz I was a big Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zepplin fan, on the flip side Willie Nelson, Allman Bros., Marshall Tucker Band, even some John Prine.
I also like clean sounding guitar stuff like Joe Satriani, rock blues by Joe Banamassa. If its done well I’ll find something to like about it. If it puts me on an emotional roller coaster I’m game. To me, old skewl blues depresses me, its triggers, I jeep a distance.
Music is usually triggers of some time in our lives, its extremely personal preference.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 18, 2024, 08:19:52 AM
Have you ever been asked to “pipe in applause”?
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 10:46:46 AM
No. Thats more of TV studio stuff like SNL, game shows, talk shows, where there is a studio audience. We have workers in those areas, I’m just not one of them. I do/did concerts snd live event stuff. I don’t recall us ever being asked nor doing it.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 18, 2024, 05:20:59 PM
I was at a football game and could hear cheering and applause behind me.
I was in the nosebleed seats (Bob Uecker seating) with like 8 other people and could hear 1000 voices cheering behind me.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 08:38:22 PM
I was at a football game and could hear cheering and applause behind me.
I was in the nosebleed seats (Bob Uecker seating) with like 8 other people and could hear 1000 voices cheering behind me.
I thought you meant flashing sign.lol
I’ve never inserted applause tracks in what I do. But ya, its def done in certain situations for theatrics.
i’ve run vocal track in a concert chick dancing act, ONCE. Big turn off for me. Ya just cannot jump up and down and hold a vocal note, maybe they should not clown the stage. Took GaGa 6 months to be able to do halftime show with no vocal track for one song. I find it putrid how much its done. I won’t work for an act that does that, basically any dancing singers.
There was a late 60s-early 70s band that the singer acted like he was play bass and keyboard player was triggering bass tracks. Good guys, fun to work with. Which I did often.
There are some singer who play s guitar that's not even plugged in, nor a track. All show.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 08:50:54 PM
Can only find garbage vids it seems, <eye roll> These guys were fun to work with, usually in a package show with the Buckinghams.
Rob, on the BASS, a good guy, kinda wild
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 09:00:58 PM
My father was so into stereos in the 1960s. I remember when the local FM station first broadcast in stereo (Columbus, Ohio). You needed two radios capable of receiving FM, and had to place them in different spots in the room and sit in between them. It was a special broadcast, I think on one Sunday afternoon. He was in Heaven. From then on, he was building stereo receivers from kits (wish I could remember the name of the kit company) (and now I do, Heathkit), soldering the boards, getting such a kick out of it, then building speaker cabinets, wiring it all together. It continued to fascinate him until personal computers came along.
What, you might ask, does this have to do with Chet Atkins? One of the first stereo records that we had to play on all this home-built equipment. included a Chet Atkins song, "Back Home in Indiana." I heard that over and over and over again. I can hear it now, more than half a century later. It reminds me of my father, and of all the joy he got from music, up until the Alzheimers took him.
Thanks, Animal, you brought up good memories for me.
- oldman
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 10:45:15 PM
GA loved his heavy pour Bloody Marys
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 18, 2024, 10:46:09 PM
My father was so into stereos in the 1960s. I remember when the local FM station first broadcast in stereo (Columbus, Ohio). You needed two radios capable of receiving FM, and had to place them in different spots in the room and sit in between them. It was a special broadcast, I think on one Sunday afternoon. He was in Heaven. From then on, he was building stereo receivers from kits (wish I could remember the name of the kit company) (and now I do, Heathkit), soldering the boards, getting such a kick out of it, then building speaker cabinets, wiring it all together. It continued to fascinate him until personal computers came along.
What, you might ask, does this have to do with Chet Atkins? One of the first stereo records that we had to play on all this home-built equipment. included a Chet Atkins song, "Back Home in Indiana." I heard that over and over and over again. I can hear it now, more than half a century later. It reminds me of my father, and of all the joy he got from music, up until the Alzheimers took him.
Thanks, Animal, you brought up good memories for me.
- oldman
Music are triggers :)
My dad was taken by Alzheimers too.
Not so weird, I did the same exact thing with circuits, speaker boxes and wiring things together that should have been in the dumpster before pieced them into something. Couldn't have been more that 13 yrs old.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 19, 2024, 09:59:53 AM
Don’t get caught up in the delusional glory facade. Its a life sucking, family destroying sole eating carnival of snakes and throat cutting industry. A lot of intelligent good people have bitten the hook. Your time on stage or FOH with the artist is gold, but its not a good balance outside of that 2 hrs. He insane hours, missing many holidays and bbqs with friends and family, too much time away is a sacrifice many should think twice about. The glory and bragging points is the hook, but thats only a fraction of everything that goes with it. Those that call you “brother” will be the first to cut your throat for your glory chair.
Feb 1 the chain of income comes off my foot too late in life.
Its cool chat to people outside it, hell to everyone inside it.
My last days in it will drip by like drip torcher. A whole lot of stress and attitude will leave my shoulders.
I’m going fishing.
My time on stage with the artist is all I want to remember.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 24, 2024, 07:36:19 PM
Used to test/EQ sound systems with this one, of many...wide stereo image
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 25, 2024, 11:01:13 AM
I use two EQ on my pedalboard. One with a little bit of gain (in case it's needed) before the amp and the other in the effects loop.
Distortion pedals often require the input EQ'd in a crazy way that's not pleasing to the ears to get them react.
The other pedal in the effects loop is to EQ what comes out.
I use Bohemian Rhapsody because it has crazy hard pans.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 25, 2024, 03:30:38 PM
I use two EQ on my pedalboard. One with a little bit of gain (in case it's needed) before the amp and the other in the effects loop.
Distortion pedals often require the input EQ'd in a crazy way that's not pleasing to the ears to get them react.
The other pedal in the effects loop is to EQ what comes out.
I use Bohemian Rhapsody because it has crazy hard pans.
Good setup. EQ is your bestest friend.
That song would be great to test and EQ for singing vocals and choirs for sure.
While I test in stereo, not so many mixes are in stereo. Depending on the room. Those sitting on the far side can lose perspective of something mixed in the speakers on the opposite side. Those in the center will love it. SO in an arena? prolly not. in a theater setting, I have mixed stereo, everyone is closer to center.
I worked a Roger Waters version of Pink Floyd show,...to run in stereo we had to fly from the rafters L and R line array spkr cabinets all the way around the arena. It added some depth for sure, but was it worth 10+ times the box count? Not IMO.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 25, 2024, 07:52:48 PM
I remember Pat Travers and Pat Thrall live had one on the right and the other on the left.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 25, 2024, 11:10:25 PM
I remember Pat Travers and Pat Thrall live had one on the right and the other on the left.
Not saying its not done, just not as much as one might think.
When I do, its usually the drums/percussion and gtrs. Most Keyboards flow stereo on their own.
Left is like 10:00, right 2:00 on the knobs. I won’t go further unless its called for as effect, which will stand out more as it moves further than the rest, like left at 9:00 or 8:00. Kinda reaches outside the image.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: icepac on October 26, 2024, 08:06:40 AM
They would start the tour with both sides having a mix of both guitars and, over the course of the tour each guitarist would end up with only his sound coming from “his side”.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 26, 2024, 10:10:52 AM
They would start the tour with both sides having a mix of both guitars and, over the course of the tour each guitarist would end up with only his sound coming from “his side”.
There is no rule. Every sound person has their own approach and its either great or its not. If its dueling gtrs I can see a decision to do that wide. But I basically left FOH to monitors, basically because at the time it was the hardest job few wanted. Which left a lot of work for me, while the rest fought over FOH so they could be seen at the helm.
Every once in a while I’d go in as system operator where the band engineer mixed and I sat with him to babysit the system and not allow someone to cook it. So I watched some band engineers mix FOH, some were just great, some sucked. Its their show, but if they sucked so bad it became a problem I’d remove them and take over. I only had to do that a few times.
Sounds like he was good. If you and I mixed the same band it would prolly sound different. In the old days, with limited gear, in an arena, I’d have 100 feet between speakers, snd prolly not go so wide.
When I had the EAW 850 rig, where the stacks were semi-circle display I went much wider, because audience on the right could hear the stacks on the left. That was a fun system, one of my favs. Because I could do a full stereo mix everyone heard. Mixing a symphony in stereo was cool because I could steer stereo to each section location on stage.
Pink Floyd Animals tour, they used the Flashlight system and mixed that tour in quadraphonic. That was badars.
Tom Petty took out the EAW Anya system, extremely expensive, it’s a digitally-steerable column loudspeakers. It hangs straight and forward, but uses phasing to steer the sound where ever you want. A stereo mixing dream.
In the 90s Rolling Stones used the DB Sound X box system, it was displayed in semi-circles, again great for stereo mixes. Funny thing about their engineer, he does NOTHING. Barely even EQs anything, if at all. Puts mic in front of instrument cabs, turned ch on throws faders up, thats it. Shocking. The band creates their own sound. Barely, if any, stereo mixing.
For me, mixing stereo depends on several things. Width of seating, width of speaker placement, type of band.
Most engineers, especially monitors, are thinking from second to second for hours. It would take 2-3 hrs after show to slow my brain and adrenaline down. Why I do things for games, my brain loves to haul ars, keep busy. Ya get conditioned. Why instead of partiesI went fishing to wash it down the drain.
I saw Travers as audience in 77 I think. Was a big fan. Years later, mid 80s, I met him when he was playing smaller venues, I was system operator.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Eagler on October 26, 2024, 11:37:22 AM
So is it the band or sound dude when a live concert sounds nothing like the album?
Eagler
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 26, 2024, 12:35:18 PM
So is it the band or sound dude when a live concert sounds nothing like the album?
Eagler
Book of War and Peace. I'm a live sound engineer, I'm a huge fan of dynamics and exploiting a great sound system. The engineers who mix exactly like the album have a different concept, it also depends on which one the band wants.
Albums are highly compressed so that they sound as good on a great stereo as a car speaker. It's not as desired in quality but it has to be done because it's played on so many different speakers. The more compression the more dynamics is lost. Ya compress the Bass at one level, Drums at another, then those signals go through a group compressor all of them tight together.
It can be both and all of the above. Could be everyone had a bad day. Many varibles, and I'd have to be there and see what he's doing to know why.
In Analog times someone who could mix exactly like the album was a SOBER highly skilled engineer, to mix every song as it was mixed on the album. he had to ride every fader. A gtr solo, that fader goes up, when done it comes down and the KB solo comes up,...labor mentally intensive. But then, finding a sober band in the Analog days was kinda rare. So it was a battle.
The band has to have a good solid balanced stage sound, the lower the stage volume the better. This way the engineer isn't mixing around the stage sound to balance the mix, he's mixing the system as he wishes. In Ear Monitors (IEM) made the FOH guys job much eaiers, because their mix on stage was pumped directly into the ear instead of monitor speaks blaring across stage. Ya hear the system, not the stage sound.
To mix exactly like the album requires weeks to months in a rehearsal warehouse. The band must be sober and playing all their parts exactly as recorded on the album to start with. And the engineer must keep notes or a awesome memory to get it right every time. We keep them in line with hidden teleprompters.
Today in the digital world it's more common to get that album sound because it's a computers with knobs and sliders, and MEMORY and servo motors. Today faders have servo motors and can remember where it was during that song, it's then saved to a scene.
SO, if I go into rehearsals for several weeks to work on every single song, and record and play back the mix to the band, and let them tell me what adjustments are needed. Awesome. I can take the mix for that song, save it to a thumb drive as a scene. Now when that song is labels Scene 12, I hit the scene 12 button and all the faders move by themselves to exactly where they were during rehearsals. Next song is scene 13...etc..
So, there are MANY varibiles to come together for that album mix. again, I'm a fan of exploiting the system capabilities and deep dynamics.
I'm posting a video of Jason Aldean's FOH guy. I am NOT fond of how he gets there, but he is known to hit that album sound.....but he is over-processing the signal to get there, and I'm not a big fan of so much compression. in the end he's not so much mixing as he's babysitting compressors.
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on October 26, 2024, 02:43:40 PM
Since about 83-85 I moved over to Monitor Engineer, been in that seat since, except corperate stuff I do FOH OR A2 which is micing everyone up. So this is what I do.
I also worked with George Thourghgood
Execute a show- go fishing :)
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on November 18, 2024, 05:05:14 PM
Was with dis guy in 07. Child prodigy at age 11
Title: Re: Vid from my past - Jefferson Starship 95
Post by: Animl-AW on November 18, 2024, 05:10:12 PM