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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Cane on November 08, 2024, 11:52:40 PM
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Three separate Branches
First Armed Forces 30-month enlistment
Second Border enforcement and transportation of illegals 36- month service
Third would be conservation Unit, Maintain Federal land, orderlies at hospitals and grounds men
maintain border right of way 36-month enlistment
All take the same basic training before their separate advanced training/no wash out till failing basic
training for third time
No deferments
Both sexes
Draft by lottery
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have you served?
semp
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Good luck with all that nonsense.
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have you served?
semp
Yes, I served Army 66-69. What difference does that make. The Navy has parked 5 ships due to staffing shortages. The border needs to be sealed and right of away maintained. The third Joice would allow those who don't want to carry a weapon to still serve their country
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Good luck with all that nonsense.
a Roman quote "If you want Peace prepare for War"
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They would need to change the physical fitness requirements first. Then an extended and rigorous boot camp would be needed.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/09/28/new-pentagon-study-shows-77-of-young-americans-are-ineligible-military-service.html
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The Navy has parked 5 ships due to staffing shortages.
Free-market processes in action :aok
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They would need to change the physical fitness requirements first. Then an extended and rigorous boot camp would be needed.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/09/28/new-pentagon-study-shows-77-of-young-americans-are-ineligible-military-service.html
Go through basic 3 times you would pass physical standards
Reinstate PE in schools, will make for healthie people
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Have any children and if so would they be eligible?
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Go through basic 3 times you would pass physical standards
Reinstate PE in schools, will make for healthie people
Would it not be better to focus on logic, ethics and those areas of education pertaining to creative problem-solving. Then they could solve the world's issues with new ways, instead of resorting to enforcing old patterns because of a lack of ideas, not infringe other people's freedoms and spell healthy correctly, no?
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Yes, I served Army 66-69. What difference does that make. The Navy has parked 5 ships due to staffing shortages. The border needs to be sealed and right of away maintained. The third Joice would allow those who don't want to carry a weapon to still serve their country
then you would know the laws and how dangerous it is to change them.
semp
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Do not need a draft. What we really need is a basic outdoors and military pre-basic training in 6th grade and 11th grade in high school. Nothing too crazy, just basic survival skills, fishing, hiking, self defense skills and Situational Awareness. Nothing too extreme, but enough to teach self discipline and survival tactics. This may encourage more kids to join the military since they would be able to learn about it earlier. But it would teach our kods some sort of real-world problem solving and skills. They've removed all out door skills completely.
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a Roman quote "If you want Peace prepare for War"
As they sat at a far-flung outpost 1500 miles from Rome drinking local wines from lead-lined mugs.
So nearly 3% of the population, according to the Dingus falls between 18 and 21. How do we pay for such a force that may contain upwards of 9 million draftees?
Well, it might work as 8 out of 10 of that fat-assed sector can't do a pull-up or run a mile. Maybe the washouts go to school and learn a trade or make progress in science and techno....oh wait, that's unaffordable to all but a few.
So in a nutshell you are saying remaining status quo is the way to go?
An army of dumb muffin tops never solved anything. There's bigger fish to fry than filling plus-sized matching uniforms and marching them off to prepare for war or clean the park after Earth Day.
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Draft won't change the fact that a higher percentage of people than ever are incapable of performing basic soldiering.
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What do you need basic soldiering for? When was the last time that was needed on US ground? :cheers:
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This kind of stuff cracks me up.
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What do you need basic soldiering for? When was the last time that was needed on US ground? :cheers:
Self discipline, team work, and to learn basic skills.
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What do you need basic soldiering for? When was the last time that was needed on US ground? :cheers:
Kinda sounds like the military might be quite busy on USA soil soon.
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Have any children and if so would they be eligible?
What difference does it make if I have children? Did your children Serve?
Oldest son 3 tours Irag retired Army
Youngest daughter husband retired Army
Oldest daughters husband retired Navy
Oldest grandson 5 years Army
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We've got a guard unit next to our shop and on occasion they will do timed runs. Let me just say that it ain't pretty.
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Kinda sounds like the military might be quite busy on USA soil soon.
If so, what a shame. Didn't have to be like that, did it?
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Won't be no draft unless/until we need it. Technology will compensate for the weak bodies and minds to a significant degree. Hopefully.
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In the later years of the Iran Iraq war they were throwing pre-adolescent children at each other. 5 year old children were being sent ahead into the mine fields to sweep them. Foolish to imagine this could never happen to you if you do nothing to prepare.
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Three separate Branches
First Armed Forces 30-month enlistment
Second Border enforcement and transportation of illegals 36- month service
Third would be conservation Unit, Maintain Federal land, orderlies at hospitals and grounds men
maintain border right of way 36-month enlistment
All take the same basic training before their separate advanced training/no wash out till failing basic
training for third time
No deferments
Both sexes
Draft by lottery
With one exception, I'm for this. That exception is the "draft by lottery." You should get to pick one of the three, but everyone should be drafted. Otherwise, some people get an unfair head start.
From an individual perspective, being in a service gives you a better appreciation of life, and what you have to do with it. I've known too many people who went from high school straight to college, and came out on the other side with no clear idea what to do next.
From a society perspective, having your son or daughter in harm's way may counsel your views about overseas interventions. If we'd had the professional army of today in 1965, we might still be fighting in Viet Nam.
- oldman
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With one exception, I'm for this. That exception is the "draft by lottery." You should get to pick one of the three, but everyone should be drafted. Otherwise, some people get an unfair head start.
From an individual perspective, being in a service gives you a better appreciation of life, and what you have to do with it. I've known too many people who went from high school straight to college, and came out on the other side with no clear idea what to do next.
From a society perspective, having your son or daughter in harm's way may counsel your views about overseas interventions. If we'd had the professional army of today in 1965, we might still be fighting in Viet Nam.
- oldman
At the end basic given a choice of which branch to go into. this would depend on Branches needs.
When I went through basic, I had played college football and worked in construction, it was not that tuff for me, but I did lean down. There was a weakling who could not do 10 push-ups. They rode him so hard by the end of basic he was doing one handed push up with either hand. It was made clear you did not want to be a recycle and start basic over. Thus the idea of three shots at basic before wash out
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Ummm,
This isn't the 1960s Vietnam era.
Every job in the military has standards and requirements like an ASVAB score and physical fitness.
Most American's Can't even make the physical requirements to serve.
Getting out of the draft would be to easy. Smoke a joint; it's legal in more than half the country or Play connect the dots on the asvab, fail your physical, Get Fat, Be an emotional woke soyboi.
A draft will never ever happen and lets be honest Conscription/Drafts are flippin slavery and should be considered a human rights violation, they deteriorate the over all quality of your armed forces.
I would much rather serve with some one that wanted to serve rather than serve with some one that was forced to serve against their will. I would never trust a Draftee/conscript to cover my arse then the ball goes up.
I voluntarily served as an eleven bangbang.
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With advanced technology integrated into so many areas within our military adequate training becomes a must. Readiness requires an adequate number of well trained troops. It takes time. If we go to war we'll go to war with what we have ready.
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What difference does it make if I have children? Did your children Serve?
Oldest son 3 tours Irag retired Army
Youngest daughter husband retired Army
Oldest daughters husband retired Navy
Oldest grandson 5 years Army
Very large :salute for their service. And no children to serve here.
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My oldest son served in the Army guard for a while. My youngest son wanted to but a torn pcl in highschool football interfered. I've discouraged all 10 of my grandsons from joining. None have any interest now. Things turn around who knows.
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The draft is always suggested by those who don’t have to do it.
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What do you need basic soldiering for? When was the last time that was needed on US ground? :cheers:
To deal with Denmark and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth i assume.
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The draft is always suggested by those who don’t have to do it.
Yep
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Yep
That goes for the entire war experience doesn't it
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Eagler
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Outside of actual conflict, the majority of suggestions for the draft are merely a suggestion to correct poor or nonexistent parenting. The military is really not the proper place to expect a person to mature into a productive and adult part of society. The old canard of go into the military or go to jail by a judge is just kicking the can down the road and forcing the military to be a "parent". Assuming the miscreant can actually qualify for service.
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The draft ended about a month before I joined up in Aug '73. The military was good for a lot of kids like me who didn't want to go to college yet or couldn't afford it. Got paid while learning a trade and earning the GI Bill. It could be good again some day.
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Outside of actual conflict, the majority of suggestions for the draft are merely a suggestion to correct poor or nonexistent parenting. The military is really not the proper place to expect a person to mature into a productive and adult part of society. The old canard of go into the military or go to jail by a judge is just kicking the can down the road and forcing the military to be a "parent". Assuming the miscreant can actually qualify for service.
Agree. Its just a "kids nowadays" thing, and forcing unmotivated people into the armed forces just because you think they need to grow up will not result in anything good.
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I had the ceiling fans on last night and there was plenty of draft.
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That's why they should have basic defense training and outdoors skills classes for all kids entering 6th grade and all teens entering 11th grade. Robotics and drone classes as a secondary as well.
This would increase discipline. Reduce bullying. Give kids some really useful real life skills. Get them interested in the military perhaps. Grow respect for their country and classmates. And If really solid in 11th grade, help them get into military basic training programs once in 12th grade by the age of 18. This would 100% make us the best military and have a much more mechanically functioning society.
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Outside of actual conflict, the majority of suggestions for the draft are merely a suggestion to correct poor or nonexistent parenting. The military is really not the proper place to expect a person to mature into a productive and adult part of society. The old canard of go into the military or go to jail by a judge is just kicking the can down the road and forcing the military to be a "parent". Assuming the miscreant can actually qualify for service.
Sounds like our education system.
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Outside of actual conflict, the majority of suggestions for the draft are merely a suggestion to correct poor or nonexistent parenting. The military is really not the proper place to expect a person to mature into a productive and adult part of society. The old canard of go into the military or go to jail by a judge is just kicking the can down the road and forcing the military to be a "parent". Assuming the miscreant can actually qualify for service.
Yep I agree
Here’s the problem.
Who raised them? We did. Many of my generation screwed up. Too much pampering, virtually no discipline, too much gaming instead of learning to adapt to the world around them.
Lets not blame them for our faults, they aren’t as bad as some I grew up with.
My/our generation were not perfect angels at the same age. In fact, in a few ways worse.
Kids learn from what they are taught and see.
So, we need to be honest and ask ourselves, where did they learn bad habits before they found the street? A person’s personality is rooted by 5 yrs old.
I don’t care to look down on them fir our mistakes.
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I raised my kids. I didn't raise yours. Only one of my 12 of my grandkids is ineligible for military service and that because he was born deaf. Well, the youngest is only 5 and the next 15 so I guess 3 are ineligible.
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It was a general statement. I don’t care for blanket answers, everyone and situation is individual.
Forcing a good natured young to kill so we feel better about then is not the way.
My nephews (brothers) were marines in Golf and Iraq. One did 4 tours. His picture was on newsweek mag. He was in places like Fallujah. He wasn’t forced, and thats the point. It should be an individual’s decision.
I didn’t think it was worth it to see him come back gritting his teeth. Forcing anyone to kill is kinda ill. When someone who’s seen action says it I’ll listen to their points.
:)
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I've seen no one here advocate "killing". Readiness is THE deterrence for war. There is no other except total surrender.
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Animal do you have any kids?
Get the feeling you are single
Eagler
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Animal do you have any kids?
Get the feeling you are single
Eagler
Lost both my wife and son (18) 2010. GF died of brain cancer this last spring. Yup single.
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I've seen no one here advocate "killing". Readiness is THE deterrence for war. There is no other except total surrender.
To be readiness, you must be willing to kill. My nephew joined for your reason, ended with my killing statement. Got blown up twice, killed many. Do not ever think you’re just there to wear a uniform. He has deep rooted regrets. And says iften, would never join agan. I listen to his 1st hand experience, not words of others.
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Lost both my wife and son (18) 2010. GF died of brain cancer this last spring. Yup single.
Sorry for your losses
Eagler
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Lack of readiness will invite an attack eventually. When that happens you will kill, die, or surrender whether you want to or not.
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Lost both my wife and son (18) 2010. GF died of brain cancer this last spring. Yup single.
Sorry for your losses. Unimaginable :salute
Forcing a good natured young to kill so we feel better about then is not the way.
The dichotomy of the psychie of the Homo-Sapiens: reasonably willing to kill and maim for abstract purposes when young, but only so many hours of battle in them, with two, rare, exceptions.
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Sounds like our education system.
If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.
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If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.
Finally, someone who understands. It's so funny to hear and read about wanting things pushed onto the school systems like Violator's suggestion. When (and how) are we going to make parents finally take accountability and responsibility for their children? Public education catches so much flak for being insufficient, yet people continue trying to make it our job to teach the kids everything. It gets really tiring to hear "they should teach that in schools!!" Not like they'd listen anyway. :bhead
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If the parents themselves refuse to take accountability and responsibility for anything they do in life, how to the kids expect to learn it before starting school
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Finally, someone who understands. It's so funny to hear and read about wanting things pushed onto the school systems like Violator's suggestion. When (and how) are we going to make parents finally take accountability and responsibility for their children? Public education catches so much flak for being insufficient, yet people continue trying to make it our job to teach the kids everything. It gets really tiring to hear "they should teach that in schools!!" Not like they'd listen anyway. :bhead
Yeah but things need to change. The current schooling is designed for kids to sit in a chair quietly and try not to squirm while reading shakespear. IMO, it benefits girls far more than boys. It's why girls do better in school for the most part. They are more organized with hand writing and paperwork and aren't as mechanical in building, foraging, and outdoors man type of things. Generally speaking. So give that boy more ADHD meds because he can't sit still and focus... instead of teaching him skills like mechanics, robotics, ect, where he's more suited to be successful. Ohh well he can't sit there and go to college so he will be a failure.... nevermind that he would have made an amazing tradesman if they had shown him a better way.
While parents should be teaching their kids, not all of them have mechanical skills, time, and understanding either, because they didn't learn it either. Hell I know some friends who grew up with a single mom and still don't even know how to fish....
And he'll, if many of them aren't even getting fed (muh free school lunches - debate) which it probably should be free honestly, than how are parents going to teach the kids real beneficial outdoor skills and self defense if they don't have those skills either?
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If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.
Amen.
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Yeah but things need to change. The current schooling is designed for kids to sit in a chair quietly and try not to squirm while reading shakespear. IMO, it benefits girls far more than boys. It's why girls do better in school for the most part. They are more organized with hand writing and paperwork and aren't as mechanical in building, foraging, and outdoors man type of things. Generally speaking. So give that boy more ADHD meds because he can't sit still and focus... instead of teaching him skills like mechanics, robotics, ect, where he's more suited to be successful. Ohh well he can't sit there and go to college so he will be a failure.... nevermind that he would have made an amazing tradesman if they had shown him a better way.
While parents should be teaching their kids, not all of them have mechanical skills, time, and understanding either, because they didn't learn it either. Hell I know some friends who grew up with a single mom and still don't even know how to fish....
And he'll, if many of them aren't even getting fed (muh free school lunches - debate) which it probably should be free honestly, than how are parents going to teach the kids real beneficial outdoor skills and self defense if they don't have those skills either?
While I can't speak for every state, I can speak for Tennessee. Most of our male students either graduate with enough college credits to cover an entire semester of college (or more) OR they graduate with a certification in welding, HVAC, automotive, robotics, and several other trades. Even the females have the opportunities to study cosmetology and other skills. Many students graduate with both college credits and vocational training. In our school, any excuse for not being setup for postsecondary life is strictly on the students and the parents. Every student meets with the advisors often throughout their entire high school career to explore their opportunities.
The education that you described is dated, and there's been a push for several years (my entire decade) to change that. Classrooms have moved more towards project-based learning and away from lecture style. I am guilty of leaning a lot on lecture, but I mix it up. It's hard to teach 30 students at one time on with reading levels ranging from above grade level all the way down to a 2nd grade reading level (I teach juniors and seniors mainly). I would rather over-prepare those not going to college than under-prepare those that are by teaching the way our teachers taught us.
All that to say, I don't think teaching "outdoor man type things" has a place in education. Our nation's education as a whole is lacking. Teaching a kid how to fish isn't going to help. Parents reading to their kids while they're children and being active parents will help more than anything.
Edit: For reference, I teach at a rural county high school with a school population of over 1,100 students. And, because of the income level of our students, we qualify for free breakfasts and lunches for every student.
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Edit: For reference, I teach at a rural county high school with a school population of over 1,100 students. And, because of the income level of our students, we qualify for free breakfasts and lunches for every student.
Remember the MAGAT fascists want to do away with free food in school because it encourages laziness. They would rather all disabled/poor people die of hunger and homelessness.
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Someone has been drinking the kool-aid