General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Cane on December 13, 2024, 10:21:39 AM
Title: Gun Control
Post by: 1Cane on December 13, 2024, 10:21:39 AM
It has been reported that the agent who stopped the last assignation attempt of POTUS Trump was five feet from suspect. He fired 6 times and missed each time. This is a specially trained agent. I think the agency should issue the M14 to all field agents so if they miss their target, they can use their 10lb rifle as a club to better effect! :banana: :neener: :banana: I believe gun control is hitting what you shoot at !
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Meatwad on December 13, 2024, 11:11:10 AM
Depends on if the agent was properly trained to begin with or a DEI hire to fill a "quota"
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: AKIron on December 13, 2024, 11:34:26 AM
I guess it's been 20 years now but when I did the CC class in Texas we were told that 80% of the first shot fired by cops in real life incidents, not training, miss.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Triton28 on December 13, 2024, 11:56:50 AM
Takes a lot of shooting to reliably hit your target under stress - especially with a pistol. Most LEO's I know will openly say they do not train enough. Lots of reasons for that, some good, some not, but the amount of people who do train like their life depends on it are very few.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Puma44 on December 13, 2024, 12:10:26 PM
During an FFDO training class at FLETC years ago, the instructor related a story about an FBI Agent and a bad guy standing 7 ft apart, both emptying their semi autos, and neither scoring a hit on the other. Stress is a thing.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2024, 12:31:13 PM
Small muscle memory is the first out the door when under stress. Most LEOs do not practice a lot. Even with a lot of practice, there is no return fire to jack up the stress level.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: nrshida on December 13, 2024, 03:14:04 PM
During an FFDO training class at FLETC years ago, the instructor related a story about an FBI Agent and a bad guy standing 7 ft apart, both emptying their semi autos, and neither scoring a hit on the other. Stress is a thing.
That's not stress, one of them obviously had a dodgy internet connection.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: icepac on December 13, 2024, 03:49:21 PM
That agent was walking along the fence and only noticed the barrel when he had almost walked right in front of it. I’m pretty sure he was moving rapidly to cover while firing in the general direction……all the while lamenting the complete lack of cover for himself.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: AKIron on December 13, 2024, 04:11:41 PM
Aim small miss small.
Good movie.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: 1Cane on December 13, 2024, 07:24:58 PM
Greenwood Indiana mall Elisjha Dickens with a Glock engaged man with AR15 at 40 yards saving lives. I think your either a shooter or someone holding a weapon.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Animl-AW on December 14, 2024, 09:37:25 AM
I’ve been down some roads. The fear of death is why overreacting and missing the target, coupled with lack of practiced skill.
I get a chuckle out of modern gun enthusiast and their big bad AR-15s. 1) The above 2) old sayin; ya know how to dispatch some whacko with an AR? A very worn out pair of quiet tennis shoes and an 22 cal revolver. G’night.
Gun control. The art of controlling stupid.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: nopoop on December 14, 2024, 12:13:29 PM
Problem solved...
(https://i.imgur.com/2Taj9Xz.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Vulcan on December 14, 2024, 03:58:33 PM
I remember an interview with a british army training instructor from the 80s where he talked about how there is a deep psychological aversion to killing someone. With new recruits they observed that the majority, 80% I think, unconsciously aimed to miss at human targets. He talked about how the the army had to break down peoples morality to get them to aim to kill.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Animl-AW on December 14, 2024, 09:32:17 PM
A guy down the street from us hunted wild boar with a 13” knife. Some were 200-400lbs.
Just sayin
As s former deer hunter, 1shot 1kill. :)
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Maverick on December 15, 2024, 11:01:49 AM
There has been documentation regarding finding the majority of discarded muskets in the civil war were loaded, several with multiple loads down the barrel as the soldier thought he fired it and immediately stuffed another round down the barrel.
Something similar in WW2 where many soldiers didn't actually fire their weapon when in combat. It became one of the major points to change in training.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: nrshida on December 15, 2024, 12:25:28 PM
A guy down the street from us hunted wild boar with a 13” knife. Some were 200-400lbs.
That is the standard method for pig hunting here. Dogs are used to track and hold wild pigs - hunter slips the knife into the heart. The usually carry a gun as backup though. Search for pig hunting nz on youtube and you'll see some interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: noman on December 16, 2024, 09:34:36 AM
Wild boars may not stab but they will definitely slash you. Wild pigs are one of the most dangerous animals in the woods. They have tusks that are razor sharp and they do know how to use them. Those dogs that chase hogs thru the woods wear Kevlar vests for a reason, also the reason man lets the dogs pin the hogs down before he goes in and stabs them with a knife.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: RUSH1 on December 16, 2024, 10:44:57 AM
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: nrshida on December 16, 2024, 02:02:42 PM
Hang on, hang on, now there's dogs with Kevlar vests. Not the one hillbilly going into the backwoods armed with a Rambo knife and an empty stomach. It's hardly sporting, if the dogs have kevlar vests I think it's only fair the wild boars be given Glocks :banana:
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Animl-AW on December 16, 2024, 02:28:57 PM
The guy I knew used blood hounds to find the pigs, called them back then set loose 3-5 pitbulls to srround it. In the 70s I’m not sure Kevlar existed.
Same guy also raised large snakes. A lil goofed to begin with.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Eagler on December 16, 2024, 03:02:28 PM
I do our hunting at Publix and Sam's meat department
No guns or dogs needed..
Eagler
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: AKIron on December 16, 2024, 03:15:18 PM
I do our hunting at Publix and Sam's meat department
No guns or dogs needed..
Eagler
How does Sam's meats compare to Costco? We have a Sam's here but no Costco. Used to get our meat at either Albertson's or Costco in Idaho. the Albertson's here is lacking.
We do have an HEB coming next year. I think their meats are popular.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Animl-AW on December 16, 2024, 03:36:25 PM
The guy I knew used blood hounds to find the pigs, called them back then set loose 3-5 pitbulls to srround it. In the 70s I’m not sure Kevlar existed.
Same guy also raised large snakes. A lil goofed to begin with.
I have never heard of such a method. Why not just run curs? They live to hunt, will sniff out a hog with no problem, and have way more stamina than pitbulls. Not to mention the chaos that must ensue while trying to use two separate groups of dogs, for two separate jobs on the same hunt.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Meatwad on December 16, 2024, 06:18:59 PM
I have never heard of such a method. Why not just run curs? They live to hunt, will sniff out a hog with no problem, and have way more stamina than pitbulls. Not to mention the chaos that must ensue while trying to use two separate groups of dogs, for two separate jobs on the same hunt.
<shrug>
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Leisure on December 16, 2024, 06:55:04 PM
I do our hunting at Publix and Sam's meat department
No guns or dogs needed..
Eagler
Same. My shoes stay clean, my dog stays safe and I don't have to cut stuff up. I used to do all that stuff but I now find it more pleasant to fire up the grill and sit back with an iced tea while listening to my neighbor's horror story of getting his elk off the side of a mountain during a blizzard. Yeah, no. It's nice when he gives me some steaks though!
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Chris79 on December 16, 2024, 08:57:59 PM
I reckon you haven’t come across a wild boar before. Their tusks make a Bowie knife look like a tooth pick.
No they don't have them here, but if they did I'd probably leave them in peace. Do you have Rastafari there? It was a light-hearted Enter the Dragon reference, but then I started getting MA flashbacks: J0ker shot you down, with two wingmen, after running you through ack after a two-sector chase because he was co-e to start with.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: AKIron on December 17, 2024, 06:45:45 AM
We have 'em around here. Someone posted this last week on nextdoor.
I have never heard of such a method. Why not just run curs? They live to hunt, will sniff out a hog with no problem, and have way more stamina than pitbulls. Not to mention the chaos that must ensue while trying to use two separate groups of dogs, for two separate jobs on the same hunt.
Seriously jump on youtube and search for "wild pig hunting nz" .
Basic setup (I think, I'm no expert nor pig hunter) is the hunter has tracking/chasing dogs, bailing dogs (they corner the pig), and sometimes holding dogs (they will hold the pig by the ears or leg). The dogs are often fitted with gps trackers and they roam over a wide area looking for the pig scent or sign. Some of the dogs may wear protective collars to avoid getting fatal injuries from the pigs.
Quite often you'll see the pig hunters driving around with the dogs on the bonnet, or on a rear flat deck sniffing the air for a scent. If the dogs catch a scent they'll jump off, chase the back, and bail it up (corner it).
Pig dogs here are usually mongrel breeds, a real mix, and very aggressive.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: RUSH1 on December 17, 2024, 05:21:57 PM
Or you can use cur dogs (https://www.rover.com/blog/cur-dogs/) and call it a day. I guess using trucks is what's throwing me off. In most parts of the South you're hunting hog on foot due to the dense habitat they live in, or run to. Maybe wide open farm land calls for a different approach. Not sure how, but whatever works.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: morfiend on December 18, 2024, 07:28:58 PM
The Dogo was bred just for this purpose,it was developed in Argentina as an all purpose pig dog. It has several breeds in its development including Great Danes,Pointers and Bullterriers and was bred to be white so it is easily seen.
Before Kevlar came around they used tire treads to make harnesses to help defend the dog’s throats and flanks.
Check out a little pig dog called the Paterdale terrier or Fell Terrier as it’s also known,they start pups at around 10 weeks chasing little 40lb pigs for training. The dog itself is barely 25 lbs at full growth,and no you don’t want one as a pet! It’s purely a working dog and will destroy your house when it becomes bored.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: noman on December 19, 2024, 09:09:26 AM
In Louisiana they use Catahoola (Not Spelled Correctly) Curr. They are bred purely for running pigs. I have one as a family pet and she completely destroys any dog toy we give her even the Kong indestructible toys. I have seen her chew those in half in less than five minutes.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: nrshida on December 19, 2024, 11:33:20 AM
Must be pretty tasty meat to go to all this effort. They don't look tasty. Look a bit like 4-footer lobsters. They're clearly bugs.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: Vulcan on December 19, 2024, 02:38:25 PM
Or you can use cur dogs (https://www.rover.com/blog/cur-dogs/) and call it a day. I guess using trucks is what's throwing me off. In most parts of the South you're hunting hog on foot due to the dense habitat they live in, or run to. Maybe wide open farm land calls for a different approach. Not sure how, but whatever works.
Trucks let the hunters cover a large area to pick up the scent, the terrain the pigs will run into/hide in require legwork. They're generally not hunting the side of the road, and will travel a mile or miles by foot once the scent is picked up.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: RUSH1 on December 19, 2024, 05:49:08 PM
Must be pretty tasty meat to go to all this effort. They don't look tasty. Look a bit like 4-footer lobsters. They're clearly bugs.
They do feed a lot of people but it's also about sport. It can get intense. But regardless of the hunter's motive, everyone benefits as wild hogs are invasive to N. America and cause a lot of damage. An estimated $2.5 billion worth every year in the U.S.
Title: Re: Gun Control
Post by: morfiend on December 20, 2024, 11:13:07 AM
In Louisiana they use Catahoola (Not Spelled Correctly) Curr. They are bred purely for running pigs. I have one as a family pet and she completely destroys any dog toy we give her even the Kong indestructible toys. I have seen her chew those in half in less than five minutes.
I know a fellow in Florida that uses Catahoula dogs to hunt pigs,he wants to inject some catch dog into his lines and I suggested a Scott line American Bulldog or the Dogo de Argentina. We are just now seeing wild pigs in Ontario,some managed to cross the lake a few years ago when it froze over completely. Unfortunately they are low on the to do list and will likely get a foothold before it’s decided that something needs to be done.
I’m not a huge fan of hunting dogs except for Terriers but most the terriers I’ve owned have been the fighting breeds.I detest dog fighting but I enjoy the history of it and the breeds used are some of the best dogs you can own. In the past I used to take a dog or 2 to my MIL’s farm and let them loose in the grainery to take care of any rats and mice,that is something to see if you’ve never witnessed it.