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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on December 17, 2024, 09:45:40 AM
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The usual morning bish swarmbois are taking it even further with their gameplay.
Owning 28% knit and hitting HQ...
Just lame. And typical.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FFGzDcmG/lamers.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhYmsJJZ)
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Not that its ok, but wait until cartoons come on and they will log.
I say this in jest but it is the norm now a days. Lather, rinse repeat.
8am- Bish horde the map with low to no opposition.
9am- Bish bite off more than they can chew
12pm- Knight/Rooks wake up and fight back
12:30- Bish cry that they have 2 countries ganging up on them
1pm- Knights/Rooks regain all that is lost. If lucky, get 15-20% Bish bases
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I see not so much has changed on my 'daytime'. I think it'd be really funny on these moments if everyone switched to Bish. They'd be flying Gloster Gladiators and throwing water bombs by hand unopposed and still saying wtg to each other :rofl
What a bunch of EZ-mode freaks.
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the norm now a days. Lather, rinse repeat.
tl;dnr - as players, we have more ability to change gameplay at this point than HTC (seems willing to do.)
I'm very familiar with the pattern. :noid Your observation doesn't include segues into evening and wee hour play.
Morning play sets the tone for the day. It's that all-in (by one side) vs another side.... sometimes the 3rd team also goes all-in, typically on the smaller of the other two. Towards afternoon/evening, there is that claw back of bases that makes one side or other feeling they're being double teamed - and they just might be because... all-in!
There have been numerous suggestions, eny, two sides, side switching time change, etc to try and balance this... imbalance.
The solution no one likes to discuss because it is somehow more difficult to achieve than changing some lines of coad - players themselves take it upon themselves to make the game play more entertaining at all times of the day.
How?!?
In the absence of players being unwilling to balance side numbers, all it really takes is spreading the action out between all countries, not that all-in vs one side.
For example, morning A: 20 B:9 C:12 Instead of 15 A's and 7 Cs hitting 5 Bs while the others are milking bases or irrelevant strats, trying to start a fight, or afk...
perhaps... 7a vs 4b / 8a vs 5c / 3b vs 4c This would spill over to the rest of day where there's action on-going each side, not the feast or famine that all-in brings. This is where you have to use tactics better than just hording. The numbers no longer support horde on horde on horde action.
Who knows maybe As will actually start winning more maps instead of keeping us stuck in that cycle above...
Unless people really find entertainment in how gameplay currently stands; I'm sure some do, while many wish and know it could be better.
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Depending on the time of day, seems on group or another is "IN POWER" as they say.
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Yeah the morning crew is really making it bad when the bish get ganged and double teamed for the rest of the day.
Childish gameplay, all for 50 freaking perks. News flash, there isn't even a record kept of won maps. Winning a map is freaking pointless besides moving to the next map.
Really sucks to see great small maps last 5 hours because of the morning crew or see the bish fighting both sides in the evening time, where the rook/knight side doesn't have a single battle.
Big maps are really hurting the game in off hours.
No one knows where to roll with 1 small dar scattered all over. Then one team shredding both sides while there is no defense at all.
Yes players make the game, and they are certainly using "muh $15" while they hurt the overall gameplay. This is also my problem with the over usage of top late war fighters.
"Muh $15" is literally an oxymoron to gameplay strategy and playability.
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The issue here is a player choice issue, not a game issue.
There is wayyyy too much loyalty to chess pieces and the "we are better than you" stigma going. I am one that I will fly for squad/not country.
I say call each team1/team 2 and team 3 and mandatory side balancing for entire squads rather than individual players.
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The issue here is a player choice issue, not a game issue.
They're 5h!t alone, is the simple explanation. They cluster together to fill in for that. Even when the ENY keeps them out of their favourite planes they are almost doubled up so it makes no difference. The last thing this specific crowd want is a rewarding challenge. They want results, results and only results, just like a production job. A Sisyphean-obsession that boggles the mind.
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If they are a younger crowd, which could be the case, especially during xmas, I expect them to play like that.if there were more online during those hours it would happen less. But like many games the ither crowd is at work or school.
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If they are a younger crowd, which could be the case, especially during xmas, I expect them to play like that.if there were more online during those hours it would happen less. But like many games the ither crowd is at work or school.
Most of those guys are old players and have been doing this for years, why? Because thats how they want to spend their $15 a month here. They are not going to change now, and if HTC made changes to force them they would just leave because that isnt how they want to play.
The only real issue here is the lack of numbers. Get 10 more Knights and 10 more Rooks on and youd be looking at a totally different morning.
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The only real issue here is the lack of numbers. Get 10 more Knights and 10 more Rooks on and youd be looking at a totally different morning.
I think the morning Bish horde would also quit the game if you evened the numbers without any game changes :)
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I think the morning Bish horde would also quit the game if you evened the numbers without any game changes :)
There in lies the quandary. Any forced balancing will lead to that, it's not just the bish with that attitude. Add in the Knits and Rooks being forced balance during their "horde" times, you have a real mess on your hands, and no game. :devil
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These guys are not here to play the game. The game they are playing isn't what made aces high fun.
I've had more memorable nights in h2h arenas when the hook was first set on me.
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These guys are here to play the game. The game they are playing isn't what made aces high fun.
I've had more memorable nights in h2h arenas when the hook was first set on me.
H2H is missed... it was a great way to find some quick fights and learn the game. Wish someone could post a picture of the smog 8 map
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Cough 2 countries...cough..
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Cough 2 countries...cough..
And smaller maps would go along way with reinvigorate the action..
Usually around 100 at peak each night...the numbers aren't the problem, it's the current configuration with present numbers that doesn't work anymore imo
Eagler
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Cough 2 countries...cough..
Personally, I am all for this concept.
I do however know the game would change drastically and sadly, you would end up getting a bunch of whines and canceled subscriptions.
Having the 3rd country gives you a wild card that can be both good and bad. Good as if intended, give split and even attention on both fronts or bad having 1 country ganged by the other 2.
2 countries would ultimately make maps stagnant as I am sure fields and fronts would have much more attention as you can pretty much anticipate where they are going to hit. Once unable to take bases at the rate it is going now, most would just get bored and quit
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Exhausted subjects.
Prime-time should be our focus. Any change should cater more to that time and crowd.
>IMO<
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Exhausted subjects.
Prime-time should be our focus. Any change should cater more to that time and crowd.
>IMO<
tl;dnr - settings won't pull more people in, gameplay will.
Morning play sets the tone for the day... this spills over into primetime and goes against your desires to increase players (entertainment value.)
No one likes logging in to feast or famine which is what evening primetime has started to solidify into as a result of map position (gameplay) earlier in the day.
I think this screenshot is somewhat telling because I've been on this very subject for about 2+ years now and is 100% why people started abusing .rpt - I kept calling out this weebsauce. You're even seeing my anklehumpers, lazer, flippz and our boi in the screenshot starting to make these observations. I guess the difference is they let more people shoot them down than I do. :noid :rofl
But below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/8C27Pk73/verytelling.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GBjLXCJJ)
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Building up off hours leads to a better prime time. It's all about keeping people in the game with big battles. No battles, people leave. No off hours battles lead to less players in prime time. Players also leave earlier in prime time if the battles aren't good. It takes all sides to make battles. If there is no defense, there is no battle. If no defense, people leave and let the hoard take their bases and it's just a hoard vs nothing. Every one flying around in circles waiting for some unlucky guy to roll they can gang in their spit16s and 190Ds 15 on 1. Whats the point?
Big maps don't create battles in the off hours with 25 players and normally have a smaller prime time because of it. Been playing for 17 years, I know how this stuff works and have seen this trend for a while. :old:
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Building up off hours leads to a better prime time. It's all about keeping people in the game with big battles. No battles, people leave. No off hours battles lead to less players in prime time. Players also leave earlier in prime time if the battles aren't good. It takes all sides to make battles. If there is no defense, there is no battle. If no defense, people leave and let the hoard take their bases and it's just a hoard vs nothing. Every one flying around in circles waiting for some unlucky guy to roll they can gang in their spit16s and 190Ds 15 on 1. Whats the point?
Big maps don't create battles in the off hours with 25 players and normally have a smaller prime time because of it. Been playing for 17 years, I know how this stuff works and have seen this trend for a while. :old:
This happened in AW too. Those maps were smaller. Ya didn’t notice it so much before because numbers were higher. The mentality is always there, is there numbers to stop it or not.
I’d like 3-4 maps removed, nothing based on size. Its about the gamey look.
Within two week we will re-run morning game play, mods, maps and payment methods. <Lays $50 on the table>, bet me.
Its like re-runs of re-reruns.
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I think the morning Bish horde would also quit the game if you evened the numbers without any game changes :)
:rofl :rofl I was thinking the same.
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I see not so much has changed on my 'daytime'. I think it'd be really funny on these moments if everyone switched to Bish. They'd be flying Gloster Gladiators and throwing water bombs by hand unopposed and still saying wtg to each other :rofl
What a bunch of EZ-mode freaks.
Playing Devi's advocate here but have you ever seen the Knight/Rook morning crew? Bish have outnumbered both and I have often logged in to see people on the opposite side of where the horde is. I just dont get it but I kind of do get it.
Fighting the AM horde can either be like whack a mole where they jump from place to place or 1 vs 15 and the 15 being relentless and dying a hundred times. It gets stale.
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Maybe stop playing the game 24/7/365?
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see people on the opposite side of where the horde is.
Can't say I blame them.
Fighting the AM horde can either be like whack a mole where they jump from place to place or 1 vs 15 and the 15 being relentless and dying a hundred times. It gets stale.
Indeed it does. Stale to the point of quitting. If there was only an arena were people could just go to dogfight. Over a lake maybe...
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These guys are not here to play the game. The game they are playing isn't what made aces high fun.
I've had more memorable nights in h2h arenas when the hook was first set on me.
:aok
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Finetime had a good idea to go after strats and HQ and hope map resets before prime time.
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This is what it is on top of what it is. Some people keep pointing to two sides, two sides... when it practically already is. :noid
Bish swarm doing their all-in vs knits. Rooks joining in on it - by hitting knits strats :rofl and, well, darbars showing nothing happening on bish/rook (yet) as rooks continue to hit knit bases.
Bish just got 20% knit (9:30am cst) bases, let's see how this plays out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrX4CYVh/allinswarmbois.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKnPN8pN)
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This is what it is on top of what it is. Some people keep pointing to two sides, two sides... when it practically already is. :noid
Bish swarm doing their all-in vs knits. Rooks joining in on it - by hitting knits strats :rofl and, well, darbars showing nothing happening on bish/rook (yet) as rooks continue to hit knit bases.
Bish just got 20% knit (9:30am cst) bases, let's see how this plays out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrX4CYVh/allinswarmbois.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKnPN8pN)
Just because I’m caffeined up.
Agreed, more often than not, Knits get banged, even though they usually have lower numbers.
Yep, irritating as sin.
I kinda studied this irritation looking for patterns as to why.
But there is a flipside.
What >I< see, as often as that happens, the opposite happens. They fight each other and we can’t find a fight. My reckless assumption is they fight each other for 1-3 days, then both take a break for change and fight us.
Also noted, in the last 1.5 weeks, at least on night each, got their clocks cleaned by being ganged.
Me thinks its what is the rotation today.
That said, knits seem to take it more often.
The 2 country talk is not new, its 35 yrs old, it just doesn’t work all that well in multiplayer, and just a goldfish who repeats pecking at the wall of a fish bowl, forgetting the last 1000 times didn’t work.
The morning thing is also at least 30 yrs old. It just comes much more apparent and able when numbers dip below like 60. Most issues for same reason.
Yrs ago, when there was say 150 in morning there was too many for it to happen.
No tweak for that issue is going to happen. So the only answer left is getting numbers up past critical mass. Chase no one away.:)
But, ya, its dweebish.
You’ll still be invoiced for my unsolicited opinion
<runs>
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rooks continue to hit knit bases.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrX4CYVh/allinswarmbois.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKnPN8pN)
This just makes me :rofl :rofl.
The horde of 18 is getting in to one front yet I see friendlies either in bombers for hours to trying to milk rook bases.
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This just makes me :rofl :rofl.
The horde of 18 is getting in to one front yet I see friendlies either in bombers for hours to trying to milk rook bases.
Yes, you do, and you see the same from rooks on those rare occasions bish are swarming them. No one wants to go up against overwhelming odds day after day - it loses entertainment value. It's also not easy to try and retake bases when the swarm has more than sufficient players to put up a defense, or are even just continuing to pile up 30% plus of knit bases then fade out as the daily pattern continues.
Gameplay is hurting because we as a community are validating a small set of players crying, "my $15!" Yes, it is your $15, it is also others' $15. This is a game, right? People are trying to shame the wrong people and shaming only works when there's something to be ashamed of - this is why it doesn't work on me, I can't be shamed for pointing out truths. Does this mean the morning swarm truth is exactly that, that these players cannot bring themselves to make the game fun for all involved, not just their own selfish selves?
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A couple ideas here. I know some have been thrown around but based on my experiences with other games my perspectives have changed.
FTP: I think this is critical if you are going to get younger players. In the games that I play that have younger players it's because they don't have a credit card and they play any games that are free or have free versions of them. Most parents are not gong to pay a $15 a month sub for their kids. These kids are usually teenagers and usually have friends that they would bring along. From what I recall HT was concerned that everybody would cancel their sub and go to a FTP account. I don't think this is true because of games like WWII online who have multiple levels of subscription and if I recall correctly the highest level is "builder" and it's close to $50 a month people pay. I really think after playing other games (some which of massive numbers of players) that his is a big barrier to adding numbers, especially youth in the day and age)
Addition of AI: One of the games I play a lot has an option for battles that last less then an hour. The battle starts with something like 20 players on each side and 20 AI on each side. The AI are all ground attack or bomber aircraft at low alt. The attack ground targets and can have a major effect on the war if they are not dealt with. The good thing about the AI implementation is that it gives new or less skilled players the ability to get kills and learn gunnery skills etc. (it keeps them engaged)
Early/Mid war. I think bringing these arenas back and offering a ftp version of high ENY planes would be a positive for those who enjoy the smaller maps and with some AI from the match play arena it would give new FTP players a place to start fighting with each other without getting thrown in the deep end at the very beginning.
Two countries: Most all the other sims that I currently have a 2 country war and are somehow still successful. I'm not sure why people are convinced that it is not possible for a 2 country situation to work. I'm not sure that it would fix the balance problem but it would be interesting to see how it changed the dynamics and could always be rolled back.
I know some of this stuff has been discussed already but I'm trying to explain my reasoning behind it because I see the effort that people like Animl-AW are putting into this stuff and I think that maybe somebody who has HTs ear may be able to help by considering some changes on a trial basis that would add numbers.
I don't think any of this stuff would take much dev time. The match play AI already exists and the other stuff shouldn't be difficult to set up using custom arena settings.
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Yes, you do, and you see the same from rooks on those rare occasions bish are swarming them. No one wants to go up against overwhelming odds day after day - it loses entertainment value. It's also not easy to try and retake bases when the swarm has more than sufficient players to put up a defense, or are even just continuing to pile up 30% plus of knit bases then fade out as the daily pattern continues.
Gameplay is hurting because we as a community are validating a small set of players crying, "my $15!" Yes, it is your $15, it is also others' $15. This is a game, right? People are trying to shame the wrong people and shaming only works when there's something to be ashamed of - this is why it doesn't work on me, I can't be shamed for pointing out truths. Does this mean the morning swarm truth is exactly that, that these players cannot bring themselves to make the game fun for all involved, not just their own selfish selves?
Sadly, the only way to stop them is to stop them. Either wish for new Knight recruits to join in the wee hours of the morning or have everyone go Bish.
I kind of think they would actually enjoy reseting an entire map with absolute 0 resistance.
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A couple ideas here. I know some have been thrown around but based on my experiences with other games my perspectives have changed.
FTP: I think this is critical if you are going to get younger players. In the games that I play that have younger players it's because they don't have a credit card and they play any games that are free or have free versions of them. Most parents are not gong to pay a $15 a month sub for their kids. These kids are usually teenagers and usually have friends that they would bring along. From what I recall HT was concerned that everybody would cancel their sub and go to a FTP account. I don't think this is true because of games like WWII online who have multiple levels of subscription and if I recall correctly the highest level is "builder" and it's close to $50 a month people pay. I really think after playing other games (some which of massive numbers of players) that his is a big barrier to adding numbers, especially youth in the day and age)
Addition of AI: One of the games I play a lot has an option for battles that last less then an hour. The battle starts with something like 20 players on each side and 20 AI on each side. The AI are all ground attack or bomber aircraft at low alt. The attack ground targets and can have a major effect on the war if they are not dealt with. The good thing about the AI implementation is that it gives new or less skilled players the ability to get kills and learn gunnery skills etc. (it keeps them engaged)
Early/Mid war. I think bringing these arenas back and offering a ftp version of high ENY planes would be a positive for those who enjoy the smaller maps and with some AI from the match play arena it would give new FTP players a place to start fighting with each other without getting thrown in the deep end at the very beginning.
Two countries: Most all the other sims that I currently have a 2 country war and are somehow still successful. I'm not sure why people are convinced that it is not possible for a 2 country situation to work. I'm not sure that it would fix the balance problem but it would be interesting to see how it changed the dynamics and could always be rolled back.
I know some of this stuff has been discussed already but I'm trying to explain my reasoning behind it because I see the effort that people like Animl-AW are putting into this stuff and I think that maybe somebody who has HTs ear may be able to help by considering some changes on a trial basis that would add numbers.
I don't think any of this stuff would take much dev time. The match play AI already exists and the other stuff shouldn't be difficult to set up using custom arena settings.
A FTP HTC hosted early war arena would be fun. Especially on a small map. It would give players a chance to learn and understand the game. Give players on the fence a chance to see the game, and it would probably entice them to want to try the MA. I certainly agree that what the game is missing the most is a feeder arena that people and noobs can fly in with no score and quick action so they can get into the action. Flying for 10 minutes and then seeing action, and then dying fast, seems like a time loss and most people just don't have the patience.
A FTP early war arena could be set up in a custom game too. Just need to spend time setting it up, and sitting in the arena waiting for players to show up. That's the tough part. This is why small maps matter. With 5 players on, you want to know where they are and be able to get into the action and skrimish over a few bases in the same area. Big maps overwhelm the eyes. It's why Smog8 was such a great map during team death match H2H.
AI would be fine in it's own arena, but not in the MA, only because it will have major implications on scoring and of course how do you yell at a AI about it picking you! And what level of skill do you put them at, ect? Just too tough to put in the MA. They are really good in the match play already and it's actually great for practice, however I feel the hurricanes are just too tough. Should be replaced with like a P40 or something. Hurricanes with super E are too tough for most noobs.
2 sides just isn't going to work. No other game really has the global atmosphere that AH has. Server matches are a bit different. Heck, even the real war had more than 2 teams. 2 teams will just become lopsided too. Plus you'd have to redo all of the maps. But I would prefer to have custom arenas like TDM like H2H use to have where there was 2 teams and it was smaller and more compact type of battles.
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It is definitely up to the players to make it better or worse. You would think having even teams would mean more fun for everyone...... but......
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A FTP early war arena could be set up in a custom game too. Just need to spend time setting it up, and sitting in the arena waiting for players to show up. That's the tough part. This is why small maps matter. With 5 players on, you want to know where they are and be able to get into the action and skrimish over a few bases in the same area. Big maps overwhelm the eyes. It's why Smog8 was such a great map during team death match H2H.
AI would be fine in it's own arena, but not in the MA, only because it will have major implications on scoring and of course how do you yell at a AI about it picking you! And what level of skill do you put them at, ect? Just too tough to put in the MA. They are really good in the match play already and it's actually great for practice, however I feel the hurricanes are just too tough. Should be replaced with like a P40 or something. Hurricanes with super E are too tough for most noobs.
I set up a small arena a few times with a small island map with 3 bases. I think the map was called myterr. The problem is that I don't think new players would know to go under the player tab to find it. When we did have even 4 or 5 players it was a bunch of fun as the bases were so close together. If somebody who knew how to add vehicle spawns to that map and put them all to spawn in the middle of the small map I think it would have even been fun for the misguided GVer types.
I think the AI could be used to compensate for numbers and I was thinking as the numbers dropped that more AI could spawn on the side with lower numbers. I agree with you that it would be a problem for those that are concerned about score if the AI counted for score. I think a setup where AI only gave a small amount of ENY points and did not affect score might help new people to gain enough points to want to play in the MA and get some rocketship rides.
The reason I'm bringing these points is that since I've been playing some of the other games (some with massive numbers) I've seen what works for those games and think that if AH adopted some of those same kind of environments that it might be easier to convince people to try if it seems a little more familiar to them.
I would love to see AH3 become competitive again, however I think if things don't change I think that the results will continue to be the same and at some point in the future it will end up like warbirds sadly. I just checked warbirds and in all arenas there are a total of 6 players online with 3 in the MA on a Saturday afternoon. It looks like they are still charging $14 a month sub model with a 2 week free trial.
Maybe someday I'll be back in AH3 if things change but for now I'm going to go fly my F-82 with a gun pod for a total of 14 center-line mounted .50 cals.
I piddy da fool that tries to HO me!
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I set up a small arena a few times with a small island map with 3 bases. I think the map was called myterr. The problem is that I don't think new players would know to go under the player tab to find it. When we did have even 4 or 5 players it was a bunch of fun as the bases were so close together. If somebody who knew how to add vehicle spawns to that map and put them all to spawn in the middle of the small map I think it would have even been fun for the misguided GVer types.
Yup, that part in bold I've mentioned before as well. I dislike how there are tabs. I'm not sure if noobs see the tab either. There was something about H2H that drew people there where as the current clipboard with tabs seems to not have the same pull for custom arenas.
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I set up a small arena a few times with a small island map with 3 bases. I think the map was called myterr. The problem is that I don't think new players would know to go under the player tab to find it. When we did have even 4 or 5 players it was a bunch of fun as the bases were so close together. If somebody who knew how to add vehicle spawns to that map and put them all to spawn in the middle of the small map I think it would have even been fun for the misguided GVer types.
I think the AI could be used to compensate for numbers and I was thinking as the numbers dropped that more AI could spawn on the side with lower numbers. I agree with you that it would be a problem for those that are concerned about score if the AI counted for score. I think a setup where AI only gave a small amount of ENY points and did not affect score might help new people to gain enough points to want to play in the MA and get some rocketship rides.
The reason I'm bringing these points is that since I've been playing some of the other games (some with massive numbers) I've seen what works for those games and think that if AH adopted some of those same kind of environments that it might be easier to convince people to try if it seems a little more familiar to them.
I would love to see AH3 become competitive again, however I think if things don't change I think that the results will continue to be the same and at some point in the future it will end up like warbirds sadly. I just checked warbirds and in all arenas there are a total of 6 players online with 3 in the MA on a Saturday afternoon. It looks like they are still charging $14 a month sub model with a 2 week free trial.
Maybe someday I'll be back in AH3 if things change but for now I'm going to go fly my F-82 with a gun pod for a total of 14 center-line mounted .50 cals.
I piddy da fool that tries to HO me!
What games have massive numbers?
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What games have massive numbers?
What he asked!!!!!!
I know of NO GAME that has the ability to handle the numbers AH3 can handle. When you say massive, I visualize 800 to a 1000.
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Club Penguin
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I think the cost is sharply skewed.
In the old days, maybe today, ya bought a game from a store and got to play free. But what you got for free was very small cheesy servers, mostly very questionable, same what you have today. Some are good, many not so much. Pot-luck.
Its the cheap way to give something free without heavy cost. Ya get what you pay for. But the experience is not like large MP arenas, buy far. Ya might get better graphics but everything else is substandard.
Here ya get the game free (20 yrs of programming without having to buy it again) and pay to play on very large stable arenas with a lot more players and a lot more room to do cool stuff.
I know of no other game that offers massive MP arenas.
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What games have massive numbers?
146,893 currently online in WT at 2am CST. Obviously they're not all in the same arena. What I was saying was a massive number of players that play the game. Seems some think that meant all in one arena.
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I know of no other game that offers massive MP arenas.
I think the cost is skewed in that I could see somebody playing a monthly fee to play with 500 other players simultaneously. Sadly there hasn't been massive numbers for a while.
My contributions to this thread were meant to be positive suggestions, however, it seems that this is starting to get back to the "my game is better then you're game" thing that seems to come up when suggestions are made based on experiences in other games.
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I think the cost is skewed in that I could see somebody playing a monthly fee to play with 500 other players simultaneously. Sadly there hasn't been massive numbers for a while.
My contributions to this thread were meant to be positive suggestions, however, it seems that this is starting to get back to the "my game is better then you're game" thing that seems to come up when suggestions are made based on experiences in other games.
Naw, you made some good points like the younger not having cc cards.
Every game has its pros and cons. I’m sure there is plenty of dweebery in every game.
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Apparently, subscription gaming is not all that unusual. AH is the only game that I play, so don't know anything about the other subscription services, but found this interesting:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/12/sega-is-evaluating-its-own-netflix-style-subscription-service
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146,893 currently online in WT at 2am CST. Obviously they're not all in the same arena. What I was saying was a massive number of players that play the game. Seems some think that meant all in one arena.
Thats why I was asking. Lets keep the discussion to all apples vs comparing apples to oranges.
Aces has one main arena where you can interact with over 100 players most nights. What numbers does WT have per arena/playfield? If it cant match AH then I dont think its fair to call it "a game with massive numbers".
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Apparently, subscription gaming is not all that unusual. AH is the only game that I play, so don't know anything about the other subscription services, but found this interesting:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/12/sega-is-evaluating-its-own-netflix-style-subscription-service
We’re off Shanes rails at this point. But I agree. I think some get bit by smoke and mirrors of marketing. Ya can’t stop so many from a fad of believing that they don’t spend as much, or more, to play other games.
Our points made here, other games may have better graphics for the same money, but its at a trade off of intensive fun. IMO, 200-300 in one arena is more fun than small populated servers.
Before AW I played those type of games. I always got that sense of confined. Then I saw AW larger MP arena and it was like the holy grail, and has remained so. AW graphics were aged too, most put that aside for large MP arenas. So to a lot of us old dogs, we’v been down this road before.
Some play 2-4 games, are dumping money and need this one to be free. Its a pattern, those who don’t mind $15 this is the only game they play. Should this be free because ya play many games with investments? No. Ya don’t pay for the game, ya pay for a big arena and the maintenance and equipment to do so.
Will others discover these facts? Evidently not.
Paid for fluffy graphics with less free fun
Paid more fun with free less fluffy graphics
No game seems to have both.
Pick your poison. Nothing is free.
Logic seems to be a hard point to accept for some.
As for main subject, what he states is true. There are dweebs in every game, ruining it. Maybe pretty planes has less, its also boring. Another trade off.
Don’t mean to offend, but repeatedly complaining about in open air does just as harm as the act behind closed doors.it puts negative in everyones face, including visitors who are deciding to play, or not. Ya just told them not to. We all know all the negatives, we don’t have to be reminded every 4-7 days. And its not just shane. We have a small group of broken records. They make it look worse than it actually is. Its bad PR.
Numbers is our current problem, being over shadowed by other graphics. So instead of complaining what low numbers cause I put my energy into promoting. That is the core problem. This other stuff are symptoms and smaller beans.
>IMO<
-the village idiot
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Thats why I was asking. Lets keep the discussion to all apples vs comparing apples to oranges.
Aces has one main arena where you can interact with over 100 players most nights. What numbers does WT have per arena/playfield? If it cant match AH then I dont think its fair to call it "a game with massive numbers".
Good point
More customers, but not a massive crown in one place.
Its hard to not make comparisons tho. But I do think they are apples and oranges.
No offense intended
I compare servers and MP MA to living in the city or the country. Much bigger space.
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Part and most of the issue is players ignoring the am bish. Go beat them down. I mean this with no disrespect but most am bish couldn’t fly if they were on autopilot. The other thing is most am they are in 15eny+ planes. Grab a demon and kill a few.
This am I watched 2 guys on the nits lift from a field and fly two sectors away from the field being over ram. Now it’s their $15 to avoid combat but in a while it hurts the arena as i watched 3 guys that we’re defending log off as we had no help but again grab a plane get some alt and run through them sissy am bish.
Also am rooks are as bad. Every am have to gang the nits. But I am convinced 90% of the player base left would be ok with no actual contact with some one that doesn’t fly straight for them.
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Good point
More customers, but not a massive crown in one place.
Its hard to not make comparisons tho. But I do think they are apples and oranges.
No offense intended
I compare servers and MP MA to living in the city or the country. Much bigger space.
compare a game of 32 against a game of 100 at a time. one the most you will fight is 16 while the other several times that number.
semp
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How do you pull up the box with the data on numbers in flight and percent owned etc....thanks
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How do you pull up the box with the data on numbers in flight and percent owned etc....thanks
right click on the clipboard map and you'll see a popout menu... click on "country status"
I call up the roster first so the country status pops out on its own instead of being in the space where the roster is.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DyGBCdTW/ahss26.png) (https://postimg.cc/GHcFtD9r)
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I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.
I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false. And then there's the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?
Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)
I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.
I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)
I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.
Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.
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NP
What we’re up against is modern graphics.
Merry Christmas Hazmat.
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I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.
I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false. And then there's the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?
Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)
I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.
I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)
I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.
Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.
It's just Animl and he disparages gamers rather than games. Prove me wrong Animl.
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I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.
I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false. And then there's the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?
Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)
I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.
I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)
I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.
Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.
If your talking about my post, all I was pointing out was compare apples to apples. Saying a game is "massive" in numbers because it has a lot of numbers over a bunch of places isnt the same as the numbers AH pulls in it one main arena. 65 players in the sim arena is still less than AH100-110, and the scenario arena set for 128, does it ever come close to that number?
Im sure many players do defend AH because we love this game. But many come in here pushing other games but never fairly. Some are disgruntled with Aces High for one reason or another, others have their issues with HTC real or believed, so yes there is a lot of players "defending" here.
As for why AH doesnt keep bringing in numbers...... Im thinking not enough people know what AH has. You said players dumb down the graphics on those other games..... so its not the graphics here. My bet is they dont even bother to look. Too many negative posts about poor game play/graphics/and so on. All AH needs really is another 100 players on always. That would be 130-150 Euro prime time, 200-220 East coast prime time. Getting past all the negative post is the problem.
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If your talking about my post, all I was pointing out was compare apples to apples. Saying a game is "massive" in numbers because it has a lot of numbers over a bunch of places isnt the same as the numbers AH pulls in it one main arena. 65 players in the sim arena is still less than AH100-110, and the scenario arena set for 128, does it ever come close to that number?
Im sure many players do defend AH because we love this game. But many come in here pushing other games but never fairly. Some are disgruntled with Aces High for one reason or another, others have their issues with HTC real or believed, so yes there is a lot of players "defending" here.
As for why AH doesnt keep bringing in numbers...... Im thinking not enough people know what AH has. You said players dumb down the graphics on those other games..... so its not the graphics here. My bet is they dont even bother to look. Too many negative posts about poor game play/graphics/and so on. All AH needs really is another 100 players on always. That would be 130-150 Euro prime time, 200-220 East coast prime time. Getting past all the negative post is the problem.
Agreed. ^^
I don't mean to come off as attacking Hazmat or anyone else, he means well.
The comparisons from others in other games are many times selective and weak. It's also like their dog pooping in our yard, which is not cool in RL nor virtual world. Common logic.
AH hasn't gotten any real advertisement in years. Some don't even know AH exist, and some old players don't even know it's still in operation.
On YT, a player of another sim post a video with 10k viewers from the same game leaps it to the top instantly, it's hard to break through to get yours on top when a crappy video gets 10k viewers in 2 days. Yet, I've seen nothing exciting. Not one triggered me to want to be there.
Updated FX in AH could go a long way to get it up to speed without over-hauling the game engine (I would HOPE).
The negative post hurt the game more then the action disputed. Most of which are of a moment not a long trend, and can usually be explained. But they still hurt the numbers. It tells them don't play this. Yet in reality, it's only about 3-5 who keep beating dead horses with 20-35yr old complaints.
Its a game people, adapt. I mean that in the kindest of ways :)
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The people who play the game are the most negative Animl. Including you.
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The people who play the game are the most negative Animl. Including you.
Nonsense.
Your approach is either passive aggressive power of suggestion or projection. Enough. You've already painted your own picture.
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My terrain Shuff's Paradise was used quite a lot in H2H. I had others that got were used... but not near as much.
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Nonsense.
Your approach is either passive aggressive power of suggestion or projection. Enough. You've already painted your own picture.
Nothing passive about me and you don't decide what's enough.
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Nothing passive about me and you don't decide what's enough.
Go find bigfoot, Troll
I can take this to your neighborhood, I still have access.
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If your talking about my post, all I was pointing out was compare apples to apples. Saying a game is "massive" in numbers because it has a lot of numbers over a bunch of places isnt the same as the numbers AH pulls in it one main arena. 65 players in the sim arena is still less than AH100-110, and the scenario arena set for 128, does it ever come close to that number?
Im sure many players do defend AH because we love this game. But many come in here pushing other games but never fairly. Some are disgruntled with Aces High for one reason or another, others have their issues with HTC real or believed, so yes there is a lot of players "defending" here.
As for why AH doesnt keep bringing in numbers...... Im thinking not enough people know what AH has. You said players dumb down the graphics on those other games..... so its not the graphics here. My bet is they dont even bother to look. Too many negative posts about poor game play/graphics/and so on. All AH needs really is another 100 players on always. That would be 130-150 Euro prime time, 200-220 East coast prime time. Getting past all the negative post is the problem.
It won't launch until it has 128 players. It's the same for the 64 and 32 player games. It launches the fight when the needed number of players is met.
Right, but "defending" against somebody that is trying to help doesn't make sense to me. There is no perfect game. All have their plusses and minuses. I'm trying to help by offering constructive criticism based on what I've seen.
I agree with you about the graphics. I don't think the graphics are a big deal talking to others in games with "perdy planes" that can't see them because they don't have the hardware required to see them. It seems more common then not that they are playing on settings that would very limit what they could see.
As I've stated before I think the subscription is the thing that most can't get past. Let me give you an example. In one of those other games you earn these things call "convertible research points" These are points that can be used to upgrade your plane or used to buy newer higher level planes. Most people have millions of these CRP that they have never used. It's because using them would require a payment and lots of guys only play the game because it's free. I'm merely trying to point out stuff like this because of the massive numbers this payment model has. Most people won't pay for CRP but almost everyone there pays for "premium planes" I for one have bought many "premium planes" but have spent very little on CRP.
I'm sure this will stir up another poop storm but I am trying to help by pointing out things that I never knew and have recently learned to people who were probably in the same situation now as I was before.
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It won't launch until it has 128 players. It's the same for the 64 and 32 player games. It launches the fight when the needed number of players is met.
Right, but "defending" against somebody that is trying to help doesn't make sense to me. There is no perfect game. All have their plusses and minuses. I'm trying to help by offering constructive criticism based on what I've seen.
I agree with you about the graphics. I don't think the graphics are a big deal talking to others in games with "perdy planes" that can't see them because they don't have the hardware required to see them. It seems more common then not that they are playing on settings that would very limit what they could see.
As I've stated before I think the subscription is the thing that most can't get past. Let me give you an example. In one of those other games you earn these things call "convertible research points" These are points that can be used to upgrade your plane or used to buy newer higher level planes. Most people have millions of these CRP that they have never used. It's because using them would require a payment and lots of guys only play the game because it's free. I'm merely trying to point out stuff like this because of the massive numbers this payment model has. Most people won't pay for CRP but almost everyone there pays for "premium planes" I for one have bought many "premium planes" but have spent very little on CRP.
I'm sure this will stir up another poop storm but I am trying to help by pointing out things that I never knew and have recently learned to people who were probably in the same situation now as I was before.
Funny how those salesmen intensionally leave out major points. They hate me for a reason, and its not bc I’m a bad guy. Its bc I call out BS.
I don’t take your comments as trying to to stir the pot just to stir the pot. Lotta people complain about subs.
My question might be, would they really play it had it been changed?
There’s just some things I won’t say in open air.
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Right, but "defending" against somebody that is trying to help doesn't make sense to me. There is no perfect game. All have their plusses and minuses. I'm trying to help by offering constructive criticism based on what I've seen.
As I've stated before I think the subscription is the thing that most can't get past. Let me give you an example. In one of those other games you earn these things call "convertible research points" These are points that can be used to upgrade your plane or used to buy newer higher level planes. Most people have millions of these CRP that they have never used. It's because using them would require a payment and lots of guys only play the game because it's free. I'm merely trying to point out stuff like this because of the massive numbers this payment model has. Most people won't pay for CRP but almost everyone there pays for "premium planes" I for one have bought many "premium planes" but have spent very little on CRP.
I don't think subscription is necessarily an outdated model. We all pay subscriptions every day for services (Prime, Netflix, etc). If something is worth the price to someone, they'll be willing to pay for it. All of the F2P games you're referring to (WT, WoT, WoWS) are also inherently subscription based in terms of premium, anyway. They just have a F2P element that won't realistically work with how AH is designed.
Being upset that someone is defending a game on that game's own forum is comical.
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The premium piece of games like WoT is what keeps me away from them. You want me to grind for literal months to get a good plane when I can just jump into AH and have access to almost anything I want. And if I want something better, it’s very easy to work on perks and get that bigger/badder plane or tank. I personally just think the game is missing advertisement… if you don’t have the eyes then you can’t have the players. The fact that people leave and immediately come back (myself included) speaks volumes to immersion of the game along with the closeness of the community
Merry Christmas everyone! :cheers:
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Will someone explain to me why people that don’t play this game anymore keep (more or less) running it down in here? I’ve heard some compare it playing checkers etc. Why are you still here? I’ve tried DCS. It’s not worth the learning curve as far as I’m concerned. Finding decent servers… Forget that. Same for IL2. For all of its shortcomings, AH3 for the win. It’s what keeps you coming back. :salute :bolt:
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Will someone explain to me why people that don’t play this game anymore keep (more or less) running it down in here? I’ve heard some compare it playing checkers etc. Why are you still here? I’ve tried DCS. It’s not worth the learning curve as far as I’m concerned. Finding decent servers… Forget that. Same for IL2. For all of its shortcomings, AH3 for the win. It’s what keeps you coming back. :salute :bolt:
Misery loves company.
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Misery loves company.
is that like an "my game sucks more than yours" one-up?
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I don't think subscription is necessarily an outdated model. We all pay subscriptions every day for services (Prime, Netflix, etc). If something is worth the price to someone, they'll be willing to pay for it. All of the F2P games you're referring to (WT, WoT, WoWS) are also inherently subscription based in terms of premium, anyway. They just have a F2P element that won't realistically work with how AH is designed.
Being upset that someone is defending a game on that game's own forum is comical.
I realize I should let this message scroll down.
But I don’t get it, SORTA. Its one thing to quit a game but return to the forums because you still have friends here. But, the way some are here to passive aggressively berate the game or me and promote your own in every subject it can be wedged in, it reminds me, if I break up with a GF, I don’t go stand in her yard berating her. People who do are mentally goofed. This mentality is like the “friend” in your home who calls ya buddy buddy buddy while they stand next to your wife, arm around her shoulder, grabbing her breast. These are not friends they are dishonest brokers. Would you not shove them out?
After the 128 page of their dog pooping in our yard was removed, suddenly they don’t have much to contribute. You know their intensions. Its not rocket science.
These are things 15 yr olds do. You expect it. When its 60-70 yr olds men it makes one think about sanity, which they try very hard to project themselves onto me to hide it. Obviously thinking everyone else has real low IQ. We saw that in this thread. The guy who openly points out BS, his credibility must be attacked. Its nothing new nor creative in human nature.
The guy trying to help is negative, and skimming players is a positive you should accept. It’s for your own good, because we “care”. <blank stare> This is kid stuff, Juvenal. Not wisemen.
“”We hold the game close to our heat” - BS, your game you’re skimming for is close to your heart.
We had this problem with WB players coming to AW forums doing the same exact thing. I’ve seen it before, I know what it looks like. Same script.
If some don’t like what it took to get it gone, then I apologize for what I perceived as fighting the good fight. I took the heat for it, and I’m ok with it. Not my first BBQ.
As far as me going to their forum, I see no problem with throwing the dog poop they left in our yard and throwing it back in their yard.
Remember the ones whi stated; “you can’t stop me (us)”? Hold my beer.
I don’t think that was hazmat’s intensions.
Sorry for keeping the thread alive.
Lets work on getting back on track working on numbers.
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Will someone explain to me why people that don’t play this game anymore keep (more or less) running it down in here? I’ve heard some compare it playing checkers etc. Why are you still here? I’ve tried DCS. It’s not worth the learning curve as far as I’m concerned. Finding decent servers… Forget that. Same for IL2. For all of its shortcomings, AH3 for the win. It’s what keeps you coming back. :salute :bolt:
Troll. Probably an animl shade.
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Troll. Probably an animl shade.
Sad attempt.
Animl has one single account in bbs and in game.
YOU are the troll, your fav tool of projecting yourself.
You make my point for me every time.
Grow up. Seriously.
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Exactly what a troll would say.
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I realize I should let this message scroll down.
But I don’t get it, SORTA. Its one thing to quit a game but return to the forums because you still have friends here. But, the way some are here to passive aggressively berate the game or me and promote your own in every subject it can be wedged in, it reminds me, if I break up with a GF, I don’t go stand in her yard berating her. People who do are mentally goofed. This mentality is like the “friend” in your home who calls ya buddy buddy buddy while they stand next to your wife, arm around her shoulder, grabbing her breast. These are not friends they are dishonest brokers. Would you not shove them out?
After the 128 page of their dog pooping in our yard was removed, suddenly they don’t have much to contribute. You know their intensions. Its not rocket science.
These are things 15 yr olds do. You expect it. When its 60-70 yr olds men it makes one think about sanity, which they try very hard to project themselves onto me to hide it. Obviously thinking everyone else has real low IQ. We saw that in this thread. The guy who openly points out BS, his credibility must be attacked. Its nothing new nor creative in human nature.
The guy trying to help is negative, and skimming players is a positive you should accept. It’s for your own good, because we “care”. <blank stare> This is kid stuff, Juvenal. Not wisemen.
“”We hold the game close to our heat” - BS, your game you’re skimming for is close to your heart.
We had this problem with WB players coming to AW forums doing the same exact thing. I’ve seen it before, I know what it looks like. Same script.
If some don’t like what it took to get it gone, then I apologize for what I perceived as fighting the good fight. I took the heat for it, and I’m ok with it. Not my first BBQ.
As far as me going to their forum, I see no problem with throwing the dog poop they left in our yard and throwing it back in their yard.
Remember the ones whi stated; “you can’t stop me (us)”? Hold my beer.
I don’t think that was hazmat’s intensions.
Sorry for keeping the thread alive.
Lets work on getting back on track working on numbers.
Kids...don't do drugs
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I realize I should let this message scroll down.
But I don’t get it, SORTA. Its one thing to quit a game but return to the forums because you still have friends here. But, the way some are here to passive aggressively berate the game or me and promote your own in every subject it can be wedged in, it reminds me, if I break up with a GF, I don’t go stand in her yard berating her. People who do are mentally goofed. This mentality is like the “friend” in your home who calls ya buddy buddy buddy while they stand next to your wife, arm around her shoulder, grabbing her breast. These are not friends they are dishonest brokers. Would you not shove them out?
After the 128 page of their dog pooping in our yard was removed, suddenly they don’t have much to contribute. You know their intensions. Its not rocket science.
These are things 15 yr olds do. You expect it. When its 60-70 yr olds men it makes one think about sanity, which they try very hard to project themselves onto me to hide it. Obviously thinking everyone else has real low IQ. We saw that in this thread. The guy who openly points out BS, his credibility must be attacked. Its nothing new nor creative in human nature.
The guy trying to help is negative, and skimming players is a positive you should accept. It’s for your own good, because we “care”. <blank stare> This is kid stuff, Juvenal. Not wisemen.
“”We hold the game close to our heat” - BS, your game you’re skimming for is close to your heart.
We had this problem with WB players coming to AW forums doing the same exact thing. I’ve seen it before, I know what it looks like. Same script.
If some don’t like what it took to get it gone, then I apologize for what I perceived as fighting the good fight. I took the heat for it, and I’m ok with it. Not my first BBQ.
As far as me going to their forum, I see no problem with throwing the dog poop they left in our yard and throwing it back in their yard.
Remember the ones whi stated; “you can’t stop me (us)”? Hold my beer.
I don’t think that was hazmat’s intensions.
Sorry for keeping the thread alive.
Lets work on getting back on track working on numbers.
I think you are extremely paranoid about something that is largely irrelevant. If HT was truly concerned about other-game discussions, I would imagine there would be an end put to it.
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If Dale wanted only AH players in this forum he could easily tie access to a subscribed account. Obviously he does not want it limited to only subscribers.
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I think this community, with all of it's drama has its place for all old and bald, current, and previous players hoping for changes in current settings of the game.
I have voiced my opinion of current radar settings and have also been hoping for only small maps, so the game can be fun to play even in Euro TZ.
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Troll. Probably an animl shade.
No, I am sure he is NOT a shade. lol :rofl
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Enough with the small maps already. Nobody wants that except the ten people who come here and only fly fighters.
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Trying not to exasperate.
Lets think about something here.
If a game has 100k-200k player, and they need more players to make battles better, that game is not setup to be any better than it is right now. No matter how many you’re only going to have 32-80 players to battle. Their small maps are not helping. It cannot be better battles. Skimming other games is a total waste, unless they just want to see it die, refer to Spikes reply.
You pop a mere 200-400 into the MA and its epic every day and it has a lot of room to grow and still keep getting better and almost no AI.
With these other sims all they can do is add more tiny servers. That does not increase game play, with too much AI. You’re still stuck at 32-80. These games cannot even talk about 750 in one arena.
If we were to get graphic updates we’d gun smoke them into the abyss. Their graphics may stuff greedy wallets, but it doesn’t add to game play.
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AH therapy... lol
Just noise as as much will change this new year as last year..and the year b4 that..and the year b4 that..and b4 that..etc.
:cheers:
Eagler
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AH therapy... lol
Just noise as as much will change this new year as last year..and the year b4 that..and the year b4 that..and b4 that..etc.
:cheers:
Eagler
Not totally sure what you mean, but ya, this is just all noise. I see it as bad noise. Some prefer we just have bad noise and add to it. Hence above.
Good noise would be getting advertisement out, however ridiculous, to even be heard and known to exist. And helping sny new player to get over the hump of getting setup and flying. If they don’t make it ever that initial hump they are not going to stay.
I saw 4-5 different new players last night, almost every night now. One poor guy was struggling just to takeoff. I musta sat in the tower for 20 minutes watching. tried to help but I don’t think he knew how to chat and he obviously got frustrated and logged. Something like “anabbian”,(?) had I just reached him to enable auto takeoff he’d been flying.
So check the roster, look for scoring, kills and sorties. If they are appearing to be new try to make sure they are getting over the learning hump.
I saw 4 guys last night that had zero info yet. They are coming, we’re not making sure they get over the hump to stay.
For those interested in helping trying being a lil proactive and don’t wait for them to ask for help. That act alone could go a long way. Mentors are a positive thing.
Advertising means nothing if they don’t get both feet in the door. Its a high learning curve we all do subconsciously.
If you own a restaurant, you’re not going to make the customer wait to place an order, right? You what to make it as effortless as possible for that return customer. If you look down in them, comment on what they order, how they eat, prepare to close your doors.
We nudge people we’ve known a long time because you know they know you’re just spewing.
That said, in my observation since my return in 22, bbs and 200 had calmed way down and is now worth advertising. The worst we can do is draw people into a cess pool, because bad news flys a lot faster and wider than good news. I would not put too much into advertising 2 yrs ago. We’re in a healthy spot for that right now.
These players may be HTs income, but its also our future in one of the best hidden secrets of sims.
Fugative is top tear of tech support here, he lives doing it, put him to work :)
If it were my game, he’d be on the payroll.
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Most of those guys are old players and have been doing this for years, why? Because thats how they want to spend their $15 a month here. They are not going to change now, and if HTC made changes to force them they would just leave because that isnt how they want to play.
The only real issue here is the lack of numbers. Get 10 more Knights and 10 more Rooks on and youd be looking at a totally different morning.
I agree entirely and more people on here complaining about everyone else :aok
Carankerty crankerty crank bang bang Bang. The Ho, horde, run gang whine song :x
From my experience the current Lex Luther of AH is Joker but someone else should really try and give him some competition :devil
I think the habitual complainer should eventually realise complaining about others is how you have fun :bolt:
I play with the Knight morning crew. Its just a horde working together and having some fun chaps. Yes hard to defend against on your own but predictable so spawn camp and up low cost 262's and Tigers. Then we will slag you off on 200 and say you only up 262'S and Tigers and the fun goes on :banana:
My Tip: Do the events. I am doing Scenario, FSO, Thursday Tanks and Monday Fighters. They are still well attended and its good team fun with much less negativity. There is some "Thats BS right there" from the age 60 something teenagers but allot less than the MA.
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I see not so much has changed on my 'daytime'. I think it'd be really funny on these moments if everyone switched to Bish. They'd be flying Gloster Gladiators and throwing water bombs by hand unopposed and still saying wtg to each other :rofl
What a bunch of EZ-mode freaks.
A few points here:
1) I think allot of what people call the horde and easy mode is people enjoying working as a team. As a result they probably get better at certain aspects of the tasks they perform though anyway and they are exercising their sensory motor skills in the direction of a purpose which is shared. This can feel very affirming.
2) Back in the day it was very hard if not impossible to commune with people from all over the world from ones own home and share in a common task.
3) These relationships being trans national and overcoming social class play a huge part in establishing we have more in common that we are different so teams which are diverse in background increase a sense of inclusiveness even though they are set against a perceived other. That people want to personalize this is a flaw in human nature.
4) The relentless pursuit of personal development without social recognition may lead to a devaluing of others as in the Bushida style code which can undervalue the value of the individual paradoxically in their perceived decadence. The sense of moral superiority.
Basicly its all good as long as no one imagines any of this really matters. The point of this type of thing like sport is that people can get passionate, incensed and take it very seriously but its healthy as long as we remember at the end of the day it really doesnt matter.
Things that matter:
1) Being nice to people
2) Health
3) Putting food on the table
4) Having a big one
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Basicly its all good as long as no one imagines any of this really matters. The point of this type of thing like sport is that people can get passionate, incensed and take it very seriously but its healthy as long as we remember at the end of the day it really doesnt matter.
Things that matter:
1) Being nice to people
2) Health
3) Putting food on the table
4) Having a big one
Excellent, thought provoking post. I even read it twice....not because I had to but because I wanted to.
I've played a bunch of online games over the years and I sometimes forget how cool it is to be participating in these "games" with people all over the planet. It's really cool when you think on it a bit. Point number 1 of the 4 things that matter makes this experience even better.
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A few points here:
1) I think allot of what people call the horde and easy mode is people enjoying working as a team. As a result they probably get better at certain aspects of the tasks they perform though anyway and they are exercising their sensory motor skills in the direction of a purpose which is shared. This can feel very affirming.
2) Back in the day it was very hard if not impossible to commune with people from all over the world from ones own home and share in a common task.
3) These relationships being trans national and overcoming social class play a huge part in establishing we have more in common that we are different so teams which are diverse in background increase a sense of inclusiveness even though they are set against a perceived other. That people want to personalize this is a flaw in human nature.
4) The relentless pursuit of personal development without social recognition may lead to a devaluing of others as in the Bushida style code which can undervalue the value of the individual. The sense of moral superiority.
Basicly its all good as long as no one imagines any of this really matters. The point of this type of thing like sport is that people can get passionate, incensed and take it very seriously but its healthy as long as we remember at the end of the day it really doesnt matter.
Things that matter:
1) Being nice to people
2) Health
3) Putting food on the table
4) Having a big one
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Troll. Probably an animl shade.
Come back. You know you want to. Just come back. Be done with it.
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I just have a little input here.
Getting shot down is part of the fun...it's a game. Correction, it is a hyper-realistic ww2 combat flight immersion (don't want to offend people who think this is... real life)
Trash talk and negativity is just lame...in game or real life. Your score doesn't even matter, it's the truth, face it.
Enjoy life and elevate your mind and soul. Be a good steward of the game, I've met lots of great people here and enjoy flying on all countries. I love this game and all the players, thanks for showing up! :cheers: :salute
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I saw 4-5 different new players last night, almost every night now. One poor guy was struggling just to takeoff. I musta sat in the tower for 20 minutes watching. tried to help but I don’t think he knew how to chat and he obviously got frustrated and logged. Something like “anabbian”,(?) had I just reached him to enable auto takeoff he’d been flying.
This is exciting news! Do you think it's from your add?
You're right that I was only trying to help with my suggestions. I'm not trying to recruit anybody to the games that I currently play. I was merely trying to make suggestions that would make AH3 attractive to the players of those other games.
I have noticed that in other games there are many good players like in AH3 and when you start you will get your share of the beat down just like in AH3. I figured I had it all figured out, had some good planes in my line up, was tearing around in a Mig15 with my hair on fire when I get killed with no planes in gun range, no AAA, nothing obvious that could have killed me. I had to go back and watch the replay to figure out what happened as I had no idea. However on the replay it became painfully obvious. AIM-9B. Who knew that F-86s carried such things!