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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Morpheus on January 09, 2025, 08:53:40 AM
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It's been a while since I've built a system, so I need to ask you what company you recommend the most for me to use to purchase a new processor?
And what do you recommend for me to have it installed?
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It's been a while since I've built a system, so I need to ask you what company you recommend the most for me to use to purchase a new processor?
And what do you recommend for me to have it installed?
Are you looking to build a whole new system? You might have to as it isn't as simple as just changing the CPU. You'll be limited by your current motherboard and the CPU socket on it which will determine what CPU you could even put on it. If it's fairly ancient, you might play hell finding a CPU for it. Oh, it can be done. My "hoopty" PC was a frankenbuild of stuff I got mostly off Ebay. Last of the Mohicans Asus AGP gaming P4 board, a 3.4ghz P4 CPU with a last of the Mohicans 1gb AGP video card and 4gb or Mushkin redline ram. It would have been tip of the spear type build in about 2000! I use it to run Air Warrior but not good for anything modern. Think I put DOSBOX on it too. Haven't started it in a while. I've built two others since. An intel and my current AMD X570.
If I were to build a new system now I'd go with AMD, AM5 socket mobot and one of the x3d CPUs for gaming.
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Oh and I'd add---be prepared for extreme sticker shock! sayin!
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Are you looking to build a whole new system? You might have to as it isn't as simple as just changing the CPU. You'll be limited by your current motherboard and the CPU socket on it which will determine what CPU you could even put on it. If it's fairly ancient, you might play hell finding a CPU for it. Oh, it can be done. My "hoopty" PC was a frankenbuild of stuff I got mostly off Ebay. Last of the Mohicans Asus AGP gaming P4 board, a 3.4ghz P4 CPU with a last of the Mohicans 1gb AGP video card and 4gb or Mushkin redline ram. It would have been tip of the spear type build in about 2000! I use it to run Air Warrior but not good for anything modern. Think I put DOSBOX on it too. Haven't started it in a while. I've built two others since. An intel and my current AMD X570.
If I were to build a new system now I'd go with AMD, AM5 socket mobot and one of the x3d CPUs for gaming.
Yeah I sat and thought about that too. I can always just donate this box to Goodwill or something like that. My sister might want it. just going to have to write 0 fist then give it to her... :airplane: ;)
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My latest builds have used parts from Amazon and Newegg
This site is helpful to insure parts work together: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Best of luck!
Eagler
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The current top gaming cpu, Ryzen 7 9800X3D, will take you a while to find. Should go for around $470. Brother ordered one somewhere, will get it in Feb.
Here's one sooner but maybe more money.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKFMSMYK?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
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This list might help you decide:https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html#section-best-cpu-for-gaming-in-2025-at-a-glance-more-info-below (https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html#section-best-cpu-for-gaming-in-2025-at-a-glance-more-info-below)
A benchmark score is one thing, capability to run current and near future games is another. Scrolling the image to see how a CPU ranks in various tests and conditions is worth checking, the winner isn't always the same.
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I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and an RTX 3070. It's rare I see the CPU is the bottleneck but it does happen.
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Many parameters need to be set to answer the OP question.
Budget. Requirements. Etcs.
I got my 9800x3d a few weeks ago, it's a bit faster than my 7800x3d, but it's not shockingly faster, so if you don't want to wait weeks or potentially months for 9800 going 7800 isn't a bad option still, plus you can just pop the CPU out and put in a new 9800 later as they use the same board and socket type.
IF price/$ is an issue, IMO despite all the crap talking on Intel, the 14600KF chip is a great performer for the discount $ you can get it for now, and it overclocks really well with a decent AIO cooler. The motherboards are cheap for these too, you can get a really good one with 3 or 4 SSD slots for a couple hundred bucks now.
Big thing is the GPU, the new 50 series RTX cards are coming in just a few weeks, jury is still out on reviews for now, but it looks like the 5070/ti series should be a good bang/$. Depending on the market, there may be some good deals on the previous 40 gen series of GPUs in both the new and used market if having the latest and greatest isn't important to you.
Of course what games/stuff the PC will be used for primarily is a major factor to consider. AH is not very demanding, but if you play DCS or some of the AAA titles out there, and/or use virtually reality, getting a 5080/90 and a fast CPU is going to be a better experience IMO.
CPU/GPU are always the 2 most important components, it's like range/wind for long range shooting, by far the 2 most critical thigs to ensure are right for what you want to do. Once you figure that out, it's just a matter of picking the supporting components, and there are a ton of "right" selections in each category these days.
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Being semi-retired I can't afford to stay on the bleeding edge anymore. I'm hoping the RTX 5000 series will drop the prices on the 4000 series. I'd gladly buy a 4070 Super/TI for around $350.
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Yeah I sat and thought about that too. I can always just donate this box to Goodwill or something like that. My sister might want it. just going to have to write 0 fist then give it to her... :airplane: ;)
Old systems make great Plex servers...
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Old systems make great Plex servers...
Indeed.... and they can be quite old and still work great.
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Oh and I'd add---be prepared for extreme sticker shock! sayin!
Amen! I know I was and am especially over the price of GPUs.
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I ordered a new Ryzen 5 5600x yesterday. Haven't made up my mind on the motherboard. I've heard the only difference between an ATX and mATX are the number of expansion slots. Ram may be the Corsair Vengeance, at least 16gig. Not sure about the SSD card. Hopefully the power supply and case will come from my old computer, Big Red. That is unless I can get it to work well. Then I will get a cool new case and PS. Big Red has an FF error on the motherboard.
No matter what a new build will be huge upgrade from Big Red which I believe is about 15 years old. It's tired!
Good luck on your build Morpheus!
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Haven't made up my mind on the motherboard. I've heard the only difference between an ATX and mATX are the number of expansion slots.
Don't know about current ones but mATX also used to be of thinner materials. For sure ATX has more space around components to allow better cooling.
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Don't know about current ones but mATX also used to be of thinner materials. For sure ATX has more space around components to allow better cooling.
Good point!
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Usually a CPU upgrade won't make much of a difference especially in older games that don't utilize a bunch of cores.
I had a system with 12100/1070 with a quest 2 that I upgraded to a 4070 super. I got a good boost in performance but the internet and all the bottleneck calculators said that my 12100 was bottle necking the GPU by a massive amount so I upgraded to a 10700. The performance difference was minimal.
Most of the older games are not going to benefit from a bunch of cores that they can't utilize. Based on this if I were in the market for a CPU (and that's really what you need and not a better GPU) I would look for the best single core performance for the price.
Games like AH3 IL2 and WT are not going to use all those extra cores even if you spend the money on them. I can't speak about DCS as I'm not familiar with it, however I suspect like IL2 that even though it can use more then one core that the bulk of the processing runs on one thread.
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Don't forget to check "per core" when reading performance specs since some processors have a bunch of weaker cores making "performance numbers" hard to decode.
I'm still using a 555 X2 black edition processor with "X2" meaning sold as 2 core processor but was able to get all 4 cores up and for about 10 years but it's back down to 2 cores now and time for a new rig.
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Don't forget to check "per core" when reading performance specs since some processors have a bunch of weaker cores making "performance numbers" hard to decode.
Intel did that but I've read they won't be doing it again. AMD never did. There are some workarounds for the Intel core issues.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/bitsun-coredirector-intel-cpu-e-cores
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I had just built my current PC:
9800X3D
Noctua DH-15 Chromax Black
MSI X670E MAG Tomahawk
64GB G Skill Flare X5 6000Mhz RAM
Corsair RM1000e 1000W PSU
2TB 990 Pro for a boot drive
Lian Li 011D EVO RBG Case.
Currently using my 2080 Super and will circle back around to get a 5080 eventually. I'm playing MWO, WoT, Escape From Tarkov on max settings.
Drove up to Charlotte Micro Center two days after the AMD release and was one of the first to risk it at the time. Shortly after I built this, everybody started to snatch them up. If you can get one? Get one.
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Being semi-retired I can't afford to stay on the bleeding edge anymore. I'm hoping the RTX 5000 series will drop the prices on the 4000 series. I'd gladly buy a 4070 Super/TI for around $350.
Not yet they aren't. GPU prices are currently even more insane now. 4070 Ti Super is currently -- get this -- about $1300. (If you actually want to buy it. Any lower prices are for stuff that is sold out, so not a real price.) Demand is way higher than normal supply, and availability is only from little places that have moved their prices to the stratosphere.
I was putting together a package for a friend just over the past few days. Ended up buying a whole system from ibuypower.com instead of building from parts because the gpu cost for individual parts is so laughably high.
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Usually, I build a system myself. But because it was cheaper to build a system through ibuypower.com than from individual parts, entirely because individual graphics cards are so ridiculously priced currently, I went with ibuypower.com.
I've never used that place before. Their builder functionality on their web site is quite good. Prices were good. (Except for RAM, for which their prices aren't good -- so I bought machine with lowest ram I could, and will just swap in ram I want from Amazon.)
I'll let folks know what the machine ends up being like.
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If you purchase a case with aRGB fans make sure you purchase a motherboard that also has aRGB headers. However, if you don't there are aRGB controllers.
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Usually, I build a system myself. But because it was cheaper to build a system through ibuypower.com than from individual parts, entirely because individual graphics cards are so ridiculously priced currently, I went with ibuypower.com.
I've never used that place before. Their builder functionality on their web site is quite good. Prices were good. (Except for RAM, for which their prices aren't good -- so I bought machine with lowest ram I could, and will just swap in ram I want from Amazon.)
I'll let folks know what the machine ends up being like.
This will be interesting, thanks.
I have my friend and neighbor back into AH again and we currently take turns on my PC in the garage. He's looking to buy one for AH and bunch of other games I'd never contemplate but he knows nothing while I know very little as we're both Mac dweebs. This Ibuypower place looks pretty compelling.
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I can suggest a system from ibuypower if you tell me what games he wants to play.
A machine to run AH is inexpensive (unless you want VR). The other games are the ones that need more horsepower.