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Title: This morning
Post by: 1Cane on January 10, 2025, 01:37:39 PM
Talking to my wife about the fires this morning and she talked about a Fire she saw in Maryland in the early sixties. Cold winter day in Maryland snow on the ground two story house ablaze. The fireman went up a ladder and carried the adult and children down making several trips. It was exhausting work and showed the man's dedication! He was a fireman not someone who wears the uniform and calls himself one. Am I wrong to expect my all fireman to meet the requirements of the job?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: guncrasher on January 10, 2025, 02:18:33 PM
one house. imagine the same man bringing people from 1000 houses because they refused to leave.
semp
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2025, 04:05:03 PM
Don't depend on anyone.
Today they call people in tractor trailer rigs, truck drivers. Most can't back the truck up at all. Only a few are actually truck drivers.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Meatwad on January 10, 2025, 05:21:19 PM
No it is not wrong to expect someone to actually do the job they were hired to do. However, it IS WRONG to hire someone through DEI instead of job qualifications
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: 1Cane on January 10, 2025, 07:37:51 PM
Talking to my wife about the fires this morning and she talked about a Fire she saw in Maryland in the early sixties. Cold winter day in Maryland snow on the ground two story house ablaze. The fireman went up a ladder and carried the adult and children down making several trips. It was exhausting work and showed the man's dedication! He was a fireman not someone who wears the uniform and calls himself one. Am I wrong to expect my all fireman to meet the requirements of the job?
I admire what all first responders do, especially firefighters. Clearly the implicit remark here is not based upon the courage demonstrated by one firefighter but your judgement that another firefighter failed to demonstrate (in your opinion) adequate bravery.
Until you've risked your own life to save another's, maybe save your judgement of other people. Not every veteran has a medal for valor either.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: 1Cane on January 11, 2025, 01:41:07 AM
The fireman's oath is almost the same oath as those who serve in the military. The last line is "That I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter," It doesn't say those that I agree to ala General Miley countermanding a President. A General rarely leads a bayonet charge but he expects his men too. As a Contractor on the Mojave Desert, I have put more than one bleeding man in my truck to take to hospital after supplying battlefield type first aid. Never forget one started hyperventilating and I told him to take control of his self since I was driving. To this day he is mad at me. The oath I took when I joined, I followed, went where I was told did tasks' I was assigned didn't think much about killing other guy but had a strong opinion about dying for my country. It goes back to taking the" Kings Shilling" you took the money you do the job
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Eagler on January 11, 2025, 06:57:20 AM
They changed the entrance qualifications to make it more inclusive...
Many have done the same..not being racist nor male chauvinist..just a fact
Eagler
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 11, 2025, 11:00:36 AM
I admire what all first responders do, especially firefighters. Clearly the implicit remark here is not based upon the courage demonstrated by one firefighter but your judgement that another firefighter failed to demonstrate (in your opinion) adequate bravery.
Until you've risked your own life to save another's, maybe save your judgement of other people. Not every veteran has a medal for valor either.
What a load of deflection.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 12:01:58 PM
Not even close. Just fed-up with biased judgements about others.
And the country is fed up with government's bias hiring process and with large corporations that have a political agenda, like BlackRock, forcing the same bias hiring guidelines on the private sector.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 12:35:42 PM
And the country is fed up with government's bias hiring process and with large corporations that have a political agenda, like BlackRock, forcing the same bias hiring guidelines on the private sector.
Seems most believe you have elected the Saviour to right these perceived wrongs.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 11, 2025, 01:31:43 PM
Only problem might be is finding that rare person who can be totally objective in determining merit. I've never met one.
Ever consider that the best fighter pilot in the military may not have known how to fly when he/she joined up? Only an example.
So why isn't the NBA hiring more white dudes? See how flawed your way of thinking is? It's also very obvious that you are not in business for yourself or at the hiring level for someone else. I am, and I don't know one owner or manager who wouldn't hire a good candidate regardless of their race or ethnicity. Enough with the boogieman crap.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 04:37:01 PM
So why isn't the NBA hiring more white dudes? See how flawed your way of thinking is? It's also very obvious that you are not in business for yourself or at the hiring level for someone else. I am, and I don't know one owner or manager who wouldn't hire a good candidate regardless of their race or ethnicity. Enough with the boogieman crap.
"boogieman crap" I have literally no idea wtf you are talking about.
But yes; I have experience in hiring... before I retired I used to hire pilot candidates for the airline I worked for. Most worked out well... not all.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 11, 2025, 04:50:43 PM
"boogieman crap" I have literally no idea wtf you are talking about.
But yes; I have experience in hiring... before I retired I used to hire pilot candidates for the airline I worked for. Most worked out well... not all.
Boogieman - where is this racism or prejudice that causes people like yourself to justify racism and prejudice?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 11, 2025, 05:20:45 PM
Hiring based on race, gender, or religion is illegal. Affirmative Action has been determined unconstitutional. How can anyone get away with hiring based on any aspect but merit?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 05:23:35 PM
Boogieman - where is this racism or prejudice that causes people like yourself to justify racism and prejudice?
Still confused.. I have no idea where I tried to justify racism and prejudice.... and I apologize if it seemed that I did. There is no justification for racism and prejudice... ever.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 11, 2025, 05:26:58 PM
Still confused.. I have no idea where I tried to justify racism and prejudice.... and I apologize if it seemed that I did. There is no justification for racism and prejudice... ever.
But, you do not support hiring on merit alone?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 05:29:59 PM
Hiring based on race, gender, or religion is illegal. Affirmative Action has been determined unconstitutional. How can anyone get away with hiring based on any aspect but merit?
merit...the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.
qualified....officially recognized as being trained to perform a particular job; certified.
I llike that latter. Merit is too subjective for me.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 11, 2025, 05:42:20 PM
merit...the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.
qualified....officially recognized as being trained to perform a particular job; certified.
I llike that latter. Merit is too subjective for me.
A determination of merit is subjective as is "certified". A hirer should continue in that role based on demonstrated success in achieving the established goal.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 11, 2025, 05:47:28 PM
One example of failure to achieve what certainly should be a company goal is frequent failures in company airplane production. Once lost, public trust is almost impossible to regain.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 11, 2025, 06:13:38 PM
One example of failure to achieve what certainly should be a company goal is frequent failures in company airplane production. Once lost, public trust is almost impossible to regain.
If you are discussing the Boeing fiasco, I have serious doubts that they can (or even have a clue how to) recover.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2025, 06:42:34 AM
Eagler
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 12, 2025, 08:42:57 AM
Fire insurance in LA will become unaffordable or nonexistent. US taxpayers are not on the hook for this debacle regardless of what has been said.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Chris79 on January 12, 2025, 12:17:51 PM
Fire insurance in LA will become unaffordable or nonexistent. US taxpayers are not on the hook for this debacle regardless of what has been said.
It’s the same with hurricanes in Florida. Been slammed by 2 storms in 2 years. Took Milton full landfall, damn eye went right over the house, and we took the north eye wall of Ian in 2022. The damages were not nearly enough to file a claim but my premiums increased after Ian and I’m almost certain they will rise again come April. My take is, if the Government requires a product “insurance”, which one needs if they have a mortgage, then they also need to provide a solution as well.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: CptTrips on January 12, 2025, 12:22:14 PM
Is that a government requirement or a lender requirement to protect their loan?
It's a lender requirement but some lenders are backed by the government so the waters can get muddy. Certainly not fair to tax everyone so some can choose to live in high risk areas.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 12, 2025, 12:53:39 PM
Looked it up. No state requires home owner insurance. You can bet every mortgage company does.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: CptTrips on January 12, 2025, 01:17:23 PM
Looked it up. No state requires home owner insurance. You can bet every mortgage company does.
But they do that for prudent business reasons. It's not political. They are protecting their loan.
Like when I buy a new pickup. Yeah the state requires I keep liability for other drivers protection, but for my truck, it is the lender than requires I keep full coverage on the truck until my loan is paid off so I don't total it and walk away from the loan unpaid because I can't afford to get the truck fixed.
Once you pay off the loan, the mortgage company doesn't care what you do. Lol. Had a buddy get his new truck repo'd. Tried to skimp on the full coverage and the loan company found out and repo'd that sucker. ;)
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Chris79 on January 12, 2025, 02:23:45 PM
When a person Tell's you they are not going to do their job in the second video it's not bias but fair judgement to say they should be fired. It's your fault house is ablaze, and they won't help you Using the term bias to protect someone for bad deeds is no different than shouting racist every time to stop them from losing the argument.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 12, 2025, 04:06:01 PM
The government does insist we who drive have liability insurance. Of course that's to protect other drivers from us. It was not required in Texas when I learned to drive. You're going to pay more in some areas that are more risky or have more uninsured drivers. Not the fault of the insurance company.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Eagler on January 13, 2025, 08:27:00 AM
Not sure what the need for home owners insurance is if big brother gov fema is going to write blank checks to rebuild...
I don't think it should be the governments responsibility but it sure buys votes eh..
36 trillion on its way to 40 trillion and beyond!!
Eagler
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 13, 2025, 08:40:19 AM
My fav quote of the year so far:
Michael Seifert on X: "It’s amazing that our government will tell you with a straight face that they can’t stop a regional fire, but if you just pay more in taxes, they can change the entire global climate. It’s even more amazing that anyone believes them".
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Eagler on January 13, 2025, 08:44:29 AM
Michael Seifert on X: "It’s amazing that our government will tell you with a straight face that they can’t stop a regional fire, but if you just pay more in taxes, they can change the entire global climate. It’s even more amazing that anyone believes them".
I have thought that all along...
I do believe less ppl believe what they hear nowadays more than ever from watching the bs implode under their watch but sadly many still swallow the kool-aid as it's their flavor..
Eagler
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Maverick on January 13, 2025, 10:07:18 AM
If you live near a water source, like a river you can be required to have flood insurance and I believe that is only provided by the govt., not a commercial insurer. I could be wrong as I never wanted to live where I needed to have it. I've seen far too many news stories about folks who get flooded out repeatedly and build back in the same spot.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Meatwad on January 13, 2025, 11:59:29 AM
Michael Seifert on X: "It’s amazing that our government will tell you with a straight face that they can’t stop a regional fire, but if you just pay more in taxes, they can change the entire global climate. It’s even more amazing that anyone believes them".
And if you disagree with them you are a conspiracy theorist and your post flagged/deleted for disinformation because any opposition to their new world order is not allowed
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Shuffler on January 13, 2025, 12:47:47 PM
Today it is best to take care of yourself. Much like they did years a go. If in a fire, get out yourself. Likely that someone coming can't budge you, much less carry you to safety. Not bravery, all about ability to do the job.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 13, 2025, 03:22:12 PM
And if you disagree with them you are a conspiracy theorist and your post flagged/deleted for disinformation because any opposition to their new world order is not allowed
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: icepac on January 14, 2025, 09:17:06 AM
I saw one house with a generator, a well, and sprinklers on the roof. He was prepped.
Many houses needlessly burned for want of a simple garden hose.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Busher on January 14, 2025, 05:35:59 PM
I saw one house with a generator, a well, and sprinklers on the roof. He was prepped.
Many houses needlessly burned for want of a simple garden hose.
There’s some truth to that. I’ve seen several stories of neighbors with garden hose putting out neighbor’s fires. Big help if you’re home to use it. Many fires one guy put out the neighbors were not home.
Sprinklers on the roof is brilliant, as long as there’s pressure.
I think clay tile roofs would go a long way too. Weight is an issue.
Story I heard yesterday is 3 people arrested for arson. No idea what that means.
I have s feeling these homes would be rebuilt differently.
I also think a fair point has been made that the ocean is right there, which is where AC got water to dump.
But if pipping was not installed the last 100+ years, there’s no real way to use it otherwise. This should be a no brainer now.
I used to have a well drilled strictly for yard water. City water for the house, cuz it was already there and good water. That idea is not available everywhere. But quite handy, green yard.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 15, 2025, 10:43:17 AM
What's really interesting is that I've recently learned that fires have been burning down cities since the 1600s. Many city fires in North America in 1800s and 1900s. Chicago, 1871, 320k population, 17k buildings burned down, only 300 deaths. Great fire of new York, 1776, 700 buildings 2-3 deaths only. London fire of 1666 13,200 buildings destroyed, only 6 deaths. Paris, Texas 1916, 1440 buildings destroyed, only 3 deaths. Toronto, 1904, 100 buildings, 0 deaths. 1852, Montreal, 1/4th of city destroyed, 0 deaths. And the city fire list goes on and on and on. Detroit, 1805, nearly everything destroyed, only 600 population with those beautiful buldings? No deaths! Pheonix 1916, 80 buildings, 1 death, Miami 1901, 2400 buildings 7 deaths. Houston fire, 7M in damages (237M today) 0 deaths,
Really damn good for 0 radio technology or TVs at the time to get the evacuation word out.
However in Maui 2024, 2200 destroyed with 100 deaths with all the great technology we have for communication. The city fire list goes on and on. Something ain't adding up!
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 15, 2025, 10:44:26 AM
My brother finally wised up and is leaving California. They'll be North Carolina bound when his daughter graduates from highschool this summer.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 11:00:55 AM
I view living in a coastal state or mountains one is suseptable to either fires, hurricanes or mud slides, flooding.
Even though all are repeats, they are not prevented nor handled differently. They all cost billions.
If a home has been wiped out by hurricanes 2-3 times why do they live there, is the question of outsiders.
I saw a Manson fall into Pudget Sound 3 times as the cliff gave away. Why was it rebuilt a 3rd time?
Only difference between fires and hurricanes, one is wet, one burns. They should meet.
Seems to me southern states took about 1 trillion in hurricane money. Why were they not prepared?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 15, 2025, 11:50:15 AM
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Shuffler on January 15, 2025, 12:20:08 PM
I have been through several hurricanes, fires and such. Never was a burden on my neighbors or anyone else. Most people today are not prepared for anything.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 12:20:21 PM
Good thing the laws of Physics don’t allow lightning or electric lines don’t cause fires and wind/oxygen doesn’t turn a small flame into a iron working kiln. We’d really be screwed.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 12:24:26 PM
And yes other in hurricanes have needed others to get through it, and billions to trillion has been paid out for hurricanes along with people in other states contributing to clean up. Suddenly a mother nature disaster in a blue state and there’s hell to pay.
Life is all about ME, :)
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: TyFoo on January 15, 2025, 12:25:11 PM
I saw a Manson fall into Pudget Sound 3 times as the cliff gave away. Why was it rebuilt a 3rd time?
Where and when was a "Mansion" rebuilt in a landslide area after it fell into the "Puget Sound" 3 times?
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 15, 2025, 12:36:10 PM
Texas has winds and twice the forests of California. Texas works at preventing wild fires though they do of course happen but don't kill dozens and destroy thousands of homes. Tornadoes and hurricanes do.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 12:47:54 PM
We dodged the bullet on 2 major storms hitting the Gulf Coast last season. Some minor flooding and a couple screens flew off. Still recovering from Ian with over 100k in damage.
Seems as though historically thankfully most of those storms wont hit the same spot for long periods of time. Irma came through and actually being north of the eye caused all the canals to run dry by pulling all the water out which I would think be ideal living in coastal areas. It is starting to look very dismal though. This year only had 2 homeowners insurance carriers left that we had to choose from and premiums are at an all time high. Some neighbors not too fortunate as insurance companies packed up and left the day before Ian.
You just never know anymore. I grew up in the Hudson Valley NY. They got pumbled in 23' with a thousand year storm that caused many homes to flood. Never in a million years would call that one.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 15, 2025, 01:58:32 PM
We dodged the bullet on 2 major storms hitting the Gulf Coast last season. Some minor flooding and a couple screens flew off. Still recovering from Ian with over 100k in damage.
Seems as though historically thankfully most of those storms wont hit the same spot for long periods of time.
Correct. I believe every 100 years is the estimate/average for taking a direct hit if you live along the coast of FL.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 15, 2025, 02:09:29 PM
We dodged the bullet on 2 major storms hitting the Gulf Coast last season. Some minor flooding and a couple screens flew off. Still recovering from Ian with over 100k in damage.
Seems as though historically thankfully most of those storms wont hit the same spot for long periods of time. Irma came through and actually being north of the eye caused all the canals to run dry by pulling all the water out which I would think be ideal living in coastal areas. It is starting to look very dismal though. This year only had 2 homeowners insurance carriers left that we had to choose from and premiums are at an all time high. Some neighbors not too fortunate as insurance companies packed up and left the day before Ian.
You just never know anymore. I grew up in the Hudson Valley NY. They got pumbled in 23' with a thousand year storm that caused many homes to flood. Never in a million years would call that one.
Looking more and more like a bailout will be coming for insurance companies, or something is going to have to happen. Millions of people aren't just going to leave Florida. And at this point, pretty much no where is safe from a natural disaster. Even if they think they are prepared. Fire, tornado, flood, hurricane, ect. It could hit anywhere at any time. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but if we can send 50B to Ukraine, we should have enough to bail out insurance Cos, along with the actual citizens who are suffering. If they dont. Than you can just clearly see the agenda to screw over Americans as much as possible until they are broken
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 02:26:53 PM
So, the scrutiny over the fires in CA has nothing to do with possible mismanagement?
Every disaster has a mismanagement, even though it would not have mattered. Half-truths. Yep, their water was not setup for massive fires (name a city or suburb that is)
That said, hose water was evaporating into steam before it even hit the ground. 800-1,800 degrees is damn hot. It was air drops that got it. We all know you’re not flying in 100mph winds
Roads where blocked by abandoned cars for about 2 hrs, fire trucks could not pass to get where they needed.
A funding cut 3-4 yrs ago understaffed the FD.
People who cut fundings might pay attention.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 02:29:07 PM
Looking more and more like a bailout will be coming for insurance companies, or something is going to have to happen. Millions of people aren't just going to leave Florida. And at this point, pretty much no where is safe from a natural disaster. Even if they think they are prepared. Fire, tornado, flood, hurricane, ect. It could hit anywhere at any time. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but if we can send 50B to Ukraine, we should have enough to bail out insurance Cos, along with the actual citizens who are suffering. If they dont. Than you can just clearly see the agenda to screw over Americans as much as possible until they are broken
They will get bailed out where its due. If we can guve tax cuts to the rich, we can afford it. :)
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: Animl-AW on January 15, 2025, 02:33:50 PM
A thought. It take 3 fire trucks per house fire. Its estimated this fire required 24,000 trucks
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: AKIron on January 15, 2025, 02:35:17 PM
"Tax cuts to the rich". You mean the 10% of the people who pay 90% of the taxes. Are you aware that half the people in this country pay no taxes at all? Everyone of voting age should be paying taxes. In the Soviet Union it was illegal to not work. Maybe that's one thing they got right.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 15, 2025, 02:36:44 PM
True on direct hits. But that entire southern coast takes 1-3 per year. One town over doesn’t count?
Every square inch of the country can have a 100 yr disaster.
Pretty sure this is LA 100 yr disaster.
Not arguing, just sayin
Midwest in my backyard its tornados.
A direct hit and just 20 miles away is apples to oranges. Also, what side of the eye you are on makes a tremendous difference. There are many variables to consider. Most of the damage you see on TV, though, is from storm surge along barrier islands.
Title: Re: This morning
Post by: RUSH1 on January 15, 2025, 02:41:52 PM
"Tax cuts to the rich". You mean the 10% of the people who pay 90% of the taxes. Are you aware that half the people in this country pay no taxes at all? Everyone of voting age should be paying taxes. In the Soviet Union it was illegal to not work. Maybe that's one thing they got right.