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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on March 06, 2025, 09:28:26 AM
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Someone care to try and justify this? :rolleyes:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bvwc0ddT/justify-this.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HLF5k9y)
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This happens 3 or 4 times each day. Here you have the bish displayed, then it goes to knits then rooks, then it starts all over. Is it frustrating? YES. But I don't see anything changing it, unless the numbers grow. :cheers:
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The thing I never understood was when the countries with the highest numbers both fight the country with the lowest numbers. I remember being in the country with the highest or second highest numbers and trying to a fight gong between the two countries with the highest numbers and usually there was zero interest. I never did understand this dynamic.
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This happens 3 or 4 times each day. Here you have the bish displayed, then it goes to knits then rooks, then it starts all over. Is it frustrating? YES. But I don't see anything changing it, unless the numbers grow. :cheers:
2x as many as both other sides... combined. :rolleyes: It's never like that in afternoons or evenings. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Never. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Post a screen shot. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can't. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yeah, players can't be expected to make a GAME... fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Never see any of these morning bish do the low-side thing. I see a bunch of rooks and knits bouncing back and fourth to each side, tho'
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The thing I never understood was when the countries with the highest numbers both fight the country with the lowest numbers. I remember being in the country with the highest or second highest numbers and trying to a fight gong between the two countries with the highest numbers and usually there was zero interest. I never did understand this dynamic.
Yeah, the knits were attacking rooks - fairly common in mornings, too.
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I'm willing to do the auto move to low number country...except of course for squad nights and such
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The thing I never understood was when the countries with the highest numbers both fight the country with the lowest numbers. I remember being in the country with the highest or second highest numbers and trying to a fight gong between the two countries with the highest numbers and usually there was zero interest. I never did understand this dynamic.
Dweebery.
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Maybe stop playing 24 hours a day.
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The thing I never understood was when the countries with the highest numbers both fight the country with the lowest numbers. I remember being in the country with the highest or second highest numbers and trying to a fight gong between the two countries with the highest numbers and usually there was zero interest. I never did understand this dynamic.
This drives me nuts playing in the AM. 12 bish vs 3 Knights and the 3 are on the rook front with no opposition.
I get getting swarmed is no fun but its degraded to the point that its just laziness.
I know getting swarmed is not fun. But 2-3 can at least make an effort to slow down the swarm. What I think is funny is once they get ANY sort of resistance, they move on to other undefended spots.
Although rough. I can only see having 2 countries as the only way to fix things.
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2x as many as both other sides... combined. :rolleyes: It's never like that in afternoons or evenings. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Never. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Post a screen shot. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can't. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yeah, players can't be expected to make a GAME... fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Never see any of these morning bish do the low-side thing. I see a bunch of rooks and knits bouncing back and fourth to each side, tho'
Don't you realize that "muh $15" is a direct contradiction to other players "fun". :D
In any case, unfortunately we are probably going to see a change most don't like because there's always gotta be an Az$hole(s) to take advantage and ruin something for everyone else.
Under 50 players should probably have an auto side pusher for the last person in, but thats going to anger some. It's unfortunate that it has to come to this...
On the contrary, the teamwork is nice to see rolling maps, but the small maps get rolled too quickly so not many get to play on them, and then we are stuck with Large map part of the rotation that's as boring as ever in the off hours, so it would be much better to get rid of a few of those maps IMO. The smaller maps really benefit the off hours and allow players to fly to other parts of the map to partake in action.
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Yes, it is normal for AH -- has been for a couple of years. I'd guess that anything done to force a change would just result in the horde logging off or quitting the game.
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Cut one out of the herd and kill it. Repeat. Kinda boring. Less so than bombing buildings, deacking, and dropping troops.
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I'd guess that anything done to force a change would just result in the horde logging off or quitting the game.
I'm afraid this also makes players on the receiving end logging off.
This has EW arena vibes all over again. You log in, see yourself facing a mini horde stomping all over your bases. If you try to defend, you are quickly overwhelmed or (which is even worse) they spread out and prep several bases at once, striking where you are not. I guess the only good thing is cross county direct messaging being disabled these days, for I remember these guys going ballistic if you actually foil their attack once in a while, or they start gloating about their success...
But alas, I have no real fix for that. It's basically a number's problem, the lower the overall population, the more extreme the imbalance can get.
Maybe stop playing 24 hours a day.
Their fault playing at the wrong time! Everybody should play at US prime time only, no matter where they live or what their schedule is :old: :neener:
(For the record, 30 players like in the picture above means Euro late afternoon/early evening these days)
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Low numbers would benefit from only having 2 sides instead of 3..
Not sure why that change can't be tried..then again I guess we all know why...
Eagler
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Yes, it is normal for AH -- has been for a couple of years. I'd guess that anything done to force a change would just result in the horde logging off or quitting the game.
I get both ends of the spectrum. Yes it is fun to organize and work together for a goal but you are right. If forced to even up numbers would drive players to a tizzy.
What frustrates me is that this a player choice, not a game setup choice and this is how the players choose to play. We can figure that it would wear off if there was NO competition but it seems that is the actual goal.
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I'm afraid this also makes players on the receiving end logging off.
This has EW arena vibes all over again. You log in, see yourself facing a mini horde stomping all over your bases. If you try to defend, you are quickly overwhelmed or (which is even worse) they spread out and prep several bases at once, striking where you are not. I guess the only good thing is cross county direct messaging being disabled these days, for I remember these guys going ballistic if you actually foil their attack once in a while, or they start gloating about their success...
But alas, I have no real fix for that. It's basically a number's problem, the lower the overall population, the more extreme the imbalance can get.
Their fault playing at the wrong time! Everybody should play at US prime time only, no matter where they live or what their schedule is :old: :neener:
(For the record, 30 players like in the picture above means Euro late afternoon/early evening these days)
This^^^
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I have suggested in the past to use the weather to counterbalance terrible splits between countries. Using clouds to created low visibility to slow the almost everyday map win in the early morning EST.. Not perfect but a possible option. Weather control might help with bulging ENY problems when country size are way out of balance.
During prime time, when two countries attack the third it can be exciting for sure. However, when that happens, and the country being hit has a high eny that kind of sucks. A fix on that eny problem would help.
When AKs as an example have a squad night that can throughout the balance really bad. Not much you can do or want to do in this case because they bring a nice dynamic shift in the country battles. A bunch of good players too boot.
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I have suggested in the past to use the weather to counterbalance terrible splits between countries. Using clouds to created low visibility to slow the almost everyday map win in the early morning EST.. Not perfect but a possible option. Weather control might help with bulging ENY problems when country size are way out of balance.
During prime time, when two countries attack the third it can be exciting for sure. However, when that happens, and the country being hit has a high eny that kind of sucks. A fix on that eny problem would help.
When AKs as an example have a squad night that can throughout the balance really bad. Not much you can do or want to do in this case because they bring a nice dynamic shift in the country battles. A bunch of good players too boot.
Changing the weather dynamically in game is not possible, beyond the original setup.
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The weird thing is, this gangbang happens in the morning, and then again at primetime, except this time the two larger countries pile the 3rd with low numbers.
Kind of seems like the normal is the path of least resistance. It shows when you get 2 or 3 of these guys out of their mobs.
I've accepted it, I do quite well in it. Don't expect that from other players though.
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Their fault playing at the wrong time! Everybody should play at US prime time only, no matter where they live or what their schedule is :old: :neener:
(For the record, 30 players like in the picture above means Euro late afternoon/early evening these days)
I was referring to the OP
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Yes, it is normal for AH -- has been for a couple of years. I'd guess that anything done to force a change would just result in the horde logging off or quitting the game.
Been debating whether to stay. Hope HT isn't considering a price increase. With everything else, that would crater it for me.
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I get both ends of the spectrum. Yes it is fun to organize and work together for a goal but you are right. If forced to even up numbers would drive players to a tizzy.
What frustrates me is that this a player choice, not a game setup choice and this is how the players choose to play. We can figure that it would wear off if there was NO competition but it seems that is the actual goal.
Numbers are the center point to most game play complaints. Below critical mass (about 100-120) the game can devolve to dweebery. Playing at these times, and expecting the game as designed, your mileage will vary. You go in knowing what to expect.
Its no different than 30 yrs ago in AW. Mornings were a bit dweeby, prime time was more serious.
The game starts rocking once passing 110.
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I was referring to the OP
Seems I always find you on my ankle all the time. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Been debating whether to stay. Hope HT isn't considering a price increase. With everything else, that would crater it for me.
Well he doesn't seem to be considering a FTP option so I'm not sure numbers are the priority.
Obviously he can make the same money with 100 players paying $150 a month as 1000 players paying $15 a month. Either way its, $15,000 a month. I guess it all comes down to how he sees the numbers.
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Isn't that why we have the 262?
Eagler
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Isn't that why we have the 262?
Eagler
The 262 is pretty much useless for such a low numbers battle. Attackers come in with tanks, m3s, bombers and jabos. Attacks are swift and rarely prolonged battles for a field. You usually have to up the jet from another field, get up to speed and head over - it may be too late by that time, and if not, you will have a hard time hunting the m3s. You may get the bombers, but tanks will also hit the town, or they just will hit another place.
The Me 262 is good for being a part of a large, combined arms conflict with lots of bombers in the air, but also members on your team doing the other stuff.
Battles are shaped by numbers. Remember how much more porking there was back in the day? Not just ammo, but also of barracks? Even during prime time that hardly happened any more in the past few years, too often an outnumbered side is barely holding the base and can't spare a few pilots for hitting the strats and porking several fields across a frontline in a coordinated fashion.
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Snailman is spot on, and the larger the front the more and more useless the 262 becomes.
I played whack-a-mole with the base takers in the 262 last tour trying to help defend bases.
The best a 262 can hope is to delay the opposition via preventing buffs from wiping out buildings in 1 pass, giving friendlies that little bit more time to scramble.
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Snailman is spot on, and the larger the front the more and more useless the 262 becomes.
I played whack-a-mole with the base takers in the 262 last tour trying to help defend bases.
The best a 262 can hope is to delay the opposition via preventing buffs from wiping out buildings in 1 pass, giving friendlies that little bit more time to scramble.
100% accurate. The same people that fly in that mob to avoid any type of defense will just run to the bushes as the next resort.
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100% accurate. The same people that fly in that mob to avoid any type of defense will just run to the bushes as the next resort.
Like I said on first return, the game isn't ruining the game, the players will. Even the ones who complain I see doing what they complained about. Nothing innocent here.... movin along....~~~~~>
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Who cares if there are only 20 players to oppose. Fifteen bucks a month is nothing. It won't even buy you half a tank of gas or enough eggs for breakfast.
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Who cares if there are only 20 players to oppose. Fifteen bucks a month is nothing. It won't even buy you half a tank of gas or enough eggs for breakfast.
^^^ this
At least inflation nor tariffs have increased it from only $14.95 all this time
Please state anything that's still the same price as long as this game has been..
Eagler
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^^^ this
At least inflation nor tariffs have increased it from only $14.95 all this time
Please state anything that's still the same price as long as this game has been..
Eagler
$1.00 a month would not keep me logged in for much time if the setup the OP posted was the norm. There is just so much lopsidedness, even switching would not be worth it.
I have no issue paying $30.00/mo if every or most times have fun when I logged in.
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$1.00 a month would not keep me logged in for much time if the setup the OP posted was the norm. There is just so much lopsidedness, even switching would not be worth it.
I have no issue paying $30.00/
Imo if every or most times have fun when I logged in.
Its not like that all the time. But these posts make it look that way. And not one thing is ever solved with them. Complaining about the worst part of the day when numbers are very low is almost pointless. A snap shot only shows at that time.
2 country gang bangs is out of hand, but they do produce fights. Its kinda silly. There is a group on knits side that won’t do it and will tru to start a battle elsewhere instead of all piling on one country. I happen to be in it. Imo ping 2 bars on one base with a hand full of players for 1.5-2 hrs is s joke. And the person complaining here was part of it and thought it was funny. So lets stop these weekly tears. Credibility of concern is lowered.
What does it solve posting these complaints? Your reply explains the damage they do. They scream “don’t play this game”. Unleashed emotions.
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As all the main points have been made, I'm gonna hijack this a bit (but still related) :old:
Over the past 3 days, I tracked arena activity in terms of kills/time. This chart shows kills per hour. In (Euro) mornings, combat AH almost comes to a halt (still the odd base changing hands, though). On Wednesday, there was a period of two hours, when not a single kill was made.
(https://i.imgur.com/vXhcAE9.png)
I will try to dig up some older data, to see if the relation of kills between Euro prime and US prime has changed over the past 15 years or so.
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Its not like that all the time. But these posts make it look that way. And not one thing is ever solved with them. Complaining about the worst part of the day when numbers are very low is almost pointless. A snap shot only shows at that time.
2 country gang bangs is out of hand, but they do produce fights. Its kinda silly. There is a group on knits side that won’t do it and will tru to start a battle elsewhere instead of all piling on one country. I happen to be in it. Imo ping 2 bars on one base with a hand full of players for 1.5-2 hrs is s joke. And the person complaining here was part of it and thought it was funny. So lets stop these weekly tears. Credibility of concern is lowered.
What does it solve posting these complaints? Your reply explains the damage they do. They scream “don’t play this game”. Unleashed emotions.
It is a legitimate complaint and by no means does it reflect any gaming issues but does point fingers to player choice. We are selectively thinning out the buffet table because we are choosing to.
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The best way to solve the off hours #s and fights is with smaller maps. Get rid of CraterMA, BowlMA, and Oceana, alteast. Bowlma is the absolute worst for off hours.
Europeans want fights too. People need to be able to fly from one country to another section across the map to engage in fights. Smaller fronts make a huge difference to avoid players simply switching to another area to avoid action. If both teams are able to engange the one side with larger #s. It will provide better battles and avoid "no action logging off" players. There are so many times in bowlMA and craterMA that I just log because I don't see the battles I'm looking for.
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It is a legitimate complaint and by no means does it reflect any gaming issues but does point fingers to player choice. We are selectively thinning out the buffet table because we are choosing to.
Didn’t say it was invalid, just selective. Your comment displays how outsiders see it. IMO, nothing will fix these issues but numbers. And you’re not going to gain numbers with these weekly post.
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If both teams are able to engange the one side with larger #s. It will provide better battles and avoid "no action logging off" players.
Been working on a map that is intended to concentrate action, and make it easier for both teams to engage a dominant side. Comments welcome.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5443473.html#new
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Been working on a map that is intended to concentrate action, and make it easier for both teams to engage a dominant side. Comments welcome.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5443473.html#new
Kudos to you!
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Been working on a map that is intended to concentrate action, and make it easier for both teams to engage a dominant side. Comments welcome.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5443473.html#new
Looks good Kong! :rock
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Been working on a map that is intended to concentrate action, and make it easier for both teams to engage a dominant side. Comments welcome.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5443473.html#new
I think I'm liking that one! :rock
Never know until everyone plays on it, but base distance looks good i think it should provide some good fights. 👍
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The best way to solve the off hours #s and fights is with smaller maps.
Europeans want fights too
:rock :aok
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Please state anything that's still the same price as long as this game has been..
Arizona Iced Teas :rock
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Whether its facing a dozen Bishops in the morning or withstanding a 60v20 double front gangbang at night, Knights will defend to the last and overcome all adversity created by declining numbers :salute
Half the time i enjoy the horde the other half I enjoy stopping it :rock
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Half the time i enjoy the horde the other half I enjoy stopping it :rock
This is the way :cheers: :salute
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No matter which side is the target. What I’ve recently seen at prime time is a buzz-kill. Lets stop barking about mornings.
You have 47 Rooks (entire country) in one horde pounding down 12 knits and 34 Bish (entire country) in one horde beating down 7 Knits.
<blank stare>
What do you get out of that? Certainly isn’t any good fights happening, its all gang bangs. Then I watch players log because of it, and I was one. Some logging in see that snd think “ why bother”.
Thats not just a squad night, the whole country is not in one squad. It’s a group mentality.
I don’t like it when Knits do it, but several of us will try to start fights elsewhere. The maps are 1024 sq miles.
Great thumping, probably fun for some, “8 ft tall and bullet proof”, bad for arena numbers.
Some say “it’s been happening for years”. Ok, prolly right, ya have also been losing players for the same years, blaming everything but that. This setting, that setting, HT this HT that, graphics,….nonsense.
“Everyone gets their turn” that just excuses it. That just says “ya, umm we’re not going to even attempt to change that”. You are the masses you talk about.
My useless rant <shrug>
“They” is you.
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No matter which side is the target. What I’ve recently seen at prime time is a buzz-kill. Lets stop barking about mornings.
<blank stare>
What do you get out of that? Certainly isn’t any good fights happening, its all gang bangs. Then I watch players log because of it, and I was one. Some logging in see that snd think “ why bother”.
Thats not just a squad night, the whole country is not in one squad. It’s a group mentality.
I don’t like it when Knits do it, but several of us will try to start fights elsewhere. The maps are 1024 sq miles.
“Everyone gets their turn” that just excuses it. That just says “ya, umm we’re not going to even attempt to change that”. You are the masses you talk about.
I don't like or engage in it either and call it out.
You're finally seeing how morning gameplay affects the entire day.
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Problem last night was knits just needed 2 bases to win. Then all the sudden #s started picking up and Bish were on the attack to take back their 75% bases. Rooks had to stop knits for the win so it made sense for them to fight back. But yeah, with no knit defense it made it very tough. You fly 15 min to get alt to a field and come across 10 18 -20k 190Ds all trying to run you down. Just really tough to want to keep taking off after a couple of sorties.
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Sounds like fights are easy to find...........Rejoice.
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Sounds like fights are easy to find...........Rejoice.
I get the base captures go back and forth.
I look at it this way. Between two country 35+ hordes, 2 other battles were wasted.
Its not finding a fight its finding gang-bangs.
So the choice is
1) fight a horde severely outnumbered.
2) fight a different horde severely outnumbered
3) log off do something else.
And even with those numbers its 20k and HO everything. When I’m going straight at sn angke merge and they make a conscience move to pull into my nose, thats not me, and its not chance. Its what they do, followed by excusing it away. I csn name 5 who all I ever see is their nose. Why they fly with nose cannons, purely to HO. Soon as I see. Mossue or typh, 98% he’s pulling into a HO.” Well you were in my sights…” <eye roll> look, its dweebery. 90% of their kills are HOs. And ya do it at 5 or 7-1 odds? Go play Candy Crush.
SO, before I logged I just started HOing every one of them. If they want to play dirty lets do it.
Every day is way past old and boring.
<shrug>
I chose curtain #3, I logged, I’m good
lol
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I get the base captures go back and forth.
I look at it this way. Between two country 35+ hordes, 2 other battles were wasted.
Its not finding a fight its finding gang-bangs.
So the choice is
1) fight a horde severely outnumbered.
2) fight a different horde severely outnumbered
3) log off do something else.
And even with those numbers its 20k and HO everything. When I’m going straight at sn angke merge and they make a conscience move to pull into my nose, thats not me, and its not chance. Its what they do, followed by excusing it away. I csn name 5 who all I ever see is their nose. Why they fly with nose cannons, purely to HO. Soon as I see. Mossue or typh, 98% he’s pulling into a HO.” Well you were in my sights…” <eye roll> look, its dweebery. 90% of their kills are HOs. And ya do it at 5 or 7-1 odds? Go play Candy Crush.
SO, before I logged I just started HOing every one of them. If they want to play dirty lets do it.
Every day is way past old and boring.
<shrug>
I chose curtain #3, I logged, I’m good
lol
Back in the day, I use to go on what I call "HO rampages" where I'd grab a 190A8 and HO everything in sight. It's fun. A mossie coming right at you is extremely scary, probably one of the scariest to even cross infront of. Typhoons and NIKs as well with their 4 20mm, you are asking for it trying to HO them. Always try to do more to dodge HOs. I try to get the vertical advantage with my nose while they are trying to shoot me, which automatically gives me the advantage if they miss and try to turn back at me.
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Back in the day, I use to go on what I call "HO rampages" where I'd grab a 190A8 and HO everything in sight. It's fun. A mossie coming right at you is extremely scary, probably one of the scariest to even cross infront of. Typhoons and NIKs as well with their 4 20mm, you are asking for it trying to HO them. Always try to do more to dodge HOs. I try to get the vertical advantage with my nose while they are trying to shoot me, which automatically gives me the advantage if they miss and try to turn back at me.
I have no problem avoiding them, if I choose to. I figure when they intentionally pull their nose into me when I'm just going straight... I'd just play just as dirty and start spraying 1500 out. It's not that I can't avoid them, it's the repugnant attitude some have to do it 100% of the time. Evidently not very creative flying.
Logged in tonight, same gangbang Knit night,... right back to every weekend now,... I don't want to ever hear one more whine about numbers. Carries zero validity with me with the fake concern stuff. I just logged off, FE.
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Rooks needed knight bases to win, they got the bases and won. You can log back in now for the new map
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Rooks needed knight bases to win, they got the bases and won. You can log back in now for the new map
Bish and Rook have a very weird pattern. They either fight each other, not fighting knits at all, or they both pile on knits. Its very weird. It all seems black or white, no gray. Yes the double team happens all around for sure. Everyone justifies it some way, which id fine. But this very distinct pattern is kinda puzzling. Knits either get monsoon or drought. I’ve questioned myself on this, maybe its just me. But the pattern is distinct, not imagination.
This is when dumping an HQ is perfectly acceptable.
Ok its a game and war goofy stuff happens. But when we drag new players into a cool game they should try, tackle the learning curve and then all they get is gangbang or HO, they’re gone. Thats not what they come for. With subs, aging graphics topped with a horde mentality, you’re all rowing upstream. How much harder can ya possibly make it?
We have these repeat convos and everyone thinks we’re talking about others, we’re not, they are we are the people we talk snout, not some ghost in a corner.
Numbers play a big roll in all if this, but we’re caught in a catch 22.
Its not just annoying to vets, its shoves new players out. There is no win for them to even get past the learning curves. Then we have some drunk monkeys berating them because they are not great.
As far as epidemic of HO players, as mentioned above,…ya fly 15 min to get alt and speed, looking for a good ACM fight, just to get there and get jumped with an HO from 5k higher. That guys time was wasted and he got no fight for his time, just to rinse and repeat. We have repeat offenders and when I see their typh, temp or mossie, I’ll unload my entire ammo load into their nose, because I’ve never seen their 6. Now I’m doing it making myself sick. Why I’m fir ed to fly nose canon AC.
If you have to fly 20k, HO, when you have a group or horde with you, you suck, no matter that your score says.
I’m nit spinning in circles frothing at the mouth with ratted hair screaming in foreign tongues, they are simply observations. If I can think about something you can bet in vegas 20 others thought it too. I have no fix for human nature, just hope.
It is what it is. <shrug>
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Seems the majority of complaints these days would be solved by going from 3 sides to 2...
Wouldn't that just be making a two sided map?
Or would the horde be so bent on "winning" they'd all jump on the same side to achieve it?
Eagler
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It was very strange to me that rooks allowed nits to capture all 20% their fields within 2 hours last night with no attempt at defense at all. I don't think I've seen all 20% get taken that quickly. They were over there trying to get easy kills on Bish when bish only had 70% of fields left. Head scratcher for sure.
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It was very strange to me that rooks allowed nits to capture all 20% their fields within 2 hours last night with no attempt at defense at all. I don't think I've seen all 20% get taken that quickly. They were over there trying to get easy kills on Bish when bish only had 70% of fields left. Head scratcher for sure.
After we won the map the first thing we did was attack the knits. Doggone near took the first base on the new map. The peak Rook time starts falling off I think late evening.
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Seems the majority of complaints these days would be solved by going from 3 sides to 2...
Wouldn't that just be making a two sided map?
Or would the horde be so bent on "winning" they'd all jump on the same side to achieve it?
Eagler
Totally disagree. Settings are wack a mole.
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To say there was no defense is just a flat out lie lol. Three bases had towns prepped at the end, you tell me how a large defensive force is going to decide how and what bases to defend. Also, you forgot to mention the fact that one of the bases was completely shut down which makes it just a little bit difficult to defend. I can either yell at you guys from the tower to please stop or take the 7-10 minute flight to get over there from a different base.
This also goes back to the whole “avoiding the horde” topic that people jump on. If one side is rolling bases and destroying everything that shows up, why would someone bother upping if they know they can find a more “legit” fight somewhere else. Its pretty clear the vast majority of people in the game do not care about winning the war, they care about finding decent fights and not getting jumped.. as evidenced by every single complaint on 200 about “nice 2v1” or “nice pick” when wingman tactics are being utilized. If everyone could have little bubbles of 1v1s there would be more happiness… I wish there would be a dedicated arena to such a thing :headscratch:
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To say there was no defense is just a flat out lie lol. Three bases had towns prepped at the end, you tell me how a large defensive force is going to decide how and what bases to defend. Also, you forgot to mention the fact that one of the bases was completely shut down which makes it just a little bit difficult to defend. I can either yell at you guys from the tower to please stop or take the 7-10 minute flight to get over there from a different base.
This also goes back to the whole “avoiding the horde” topic that people jump on. If one side is rolling bases and destroying everything that shows up, why would someone bother upping if they know they can find a more “legit” fight somewhere else. Its pretty clear the vast majority of people in the game do not care about winning the war, they care about finding decent fights and not getting jumped.. as evidenced by every single complaint on 200 about “nice 2v1” or “nice pick” when wingman tactics are being utilized. If everyone could have little bubbles of 1v1s there would be more happiness… I wish there would be a dedicated arena to such a thing :headscratch:
It's hard to get people to follow. But had yall had a big group of guys to roll from a back field who were all fighting bish for no reason, yall could have stopped it. Knits were able to take on both sides last night with little resistance. Yall allowed us to easily take 65 and 66, and then we had tankers and bombers on the entire rook front with hardly any resistance. I only came across maybe 1- 3 defenders. There was really no battle for the knights last night it was kinda slow for a fighters perspective. We could have had 2 large CV battles right off yalls field, but no one rolled and was 2 easy captures. Never know what you are going to get, but I thought the lack of major defense by the rooks was very surprising.
BTW, I'm totally with you on the ganging thing. Wish there was more respect for 1v1 opportunities instead everyone just trying to gang and double/triple team 1 lone guy every time. That certainly makes the game tougher for most players.
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It was very strange to me that rooks allowed nits to capture all 20% their fields within 2 hours last night with no attempt at defense at all. I don't think I've seen all 20% get taken that quickly. They were over there trying to get easy kills on Bish when bish only had 70% of fields left. Head scratcher for sure.
Because they fly in one horde, both bish and rooks do, fly one huge horde or nothing. That mentality can’t separate to fight two fronts. Thats why monsoon or drought for knits. Its one country wide horde only mentality. Which is fierce, 8’ tall and bullet proof. But as a whole picture of the game it sucks the life out if it. So I log first either no fights or gangbang. No gray area, that gray area is where new players are.
When I do play it’s usually 4-1. I kinda like that. Some times. It seriously builds SA. When you go 1-1 its much easier. Builds character lol.
What I’m talking about is the big picture.
My problem in “sales” is I’m too honest for my own good. I feel bad if I suck someone into negative. In other ways, you may not like what I say, but its my truth, I take the short way home, very direct and deliberate. That can shock some. I’m not wasting life playing with words. But, someone needs something I got, in hardship, I just give it to thrm. Lol horrible ysed car seller.
We’ve probably drew in 30-50 players in last few months. But we’re not retaining them. We can make the best vids in the world and draw them in, but if we can’t retain them then I’m looking for negative patterns and going after it. It counters our efforts.
Not asking anyone to act like bible school children, I’m no angel, just a lil more thought.
Settings are not the answer. Trust me here. It just creates a hasty domino effect, hands off. Last resort only. One tweak can cause a hidden train wreck. The reason better stick to the wall. HT is in the right not having knee jerk reactions. Its not “not listening”, he does, its called cautious. Degree is debatable. Perk this AC they jump to another, now perk that too.
The issue at hand reminds me of Chicago people. Very nice, cordial, helpful, laid back, happy to help.. However, on the road as 100% inconsiderate, dark alley when identity is lost, your butt is grass, no ifs, ands or buts. That smile has a knife. But in front of you nice as hell.
Awesome community, can’t find better, but hidden in that plane….,questionable. lol
10% of the players read bbs. So, no word here reaches very far. Ya have to lead the sheep. Establish, this is good, this is not. Condition the mentality. Their butts will follow. Most like to be accepted. They gonna do what you do. You’re the vets.
Peace, love, and get the fk off my lawn. :)
Just leaving this here. With human nature, if the power of suggestion doesn’t work, nothing will.
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Sounds like the knights need to dissolved into rooks and bishops..
Eagler
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Sounds like the knights need to dissolved into rooks and bishops..
Eagler
Musta had this convo 10k times in 35 yrs. The cons well outweigh the pros. That would also require a lit if re-coding, not going to happen. It works a little in some sims, but they are structured from the ground up on that theory in MMP, its a long seated myth.
That doesn’t fix the issue. Its its sjust a goto canned folk lore. Human nature mist just go to the winning side and now one country dictates. There is s long list of cons in the conversion. I dropped the subject 30 yrs ago. Its been beaten to death like a WWI battle.
Like McDs, out anything in it to make a lame burger tase acceptable, but never change the main problem, the meat patty :)
Ask yourself., why is AvA empty?
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any of the maps could be changed easily. just do 2 sides and hid the rook bases off the map. as a guy who makes maps, i know its that easy. just rename all the bases to rook or bishops and save your changes. done. but........its not gonna fly, pardon the pun!
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any of the maps could be changed easily. just do 2 sides and hid the rook bases off the map. as a guy who makes maps, i know its that easy. just rename all the bases to rook or bishops and save your changes. done. but........its not gonna fly, pardon the pun!
Makes MNM a fantastic time!
Seem scared to try it in ma for some reason
Eagler
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Makes MNM a fantastic time!
Seem scared to try it in ma for some reason
Eagler
Thats a fun event
But if two countrues was the way AvA would be stuffed. The option is available :)
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I cant read all of this but I want to say: When the sides are unbalanced and one chess piece dominates' the map moves very quickly and in a predictable way with lots of action. I enjoy that from either the dominant side or the defending minority and it seems like people spend less time in the tower waiting for something to happen :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
It is hard to take bases if you are outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1 but putting a spanner in the works of the horde is fun too.
People who fly as a team probably enjoy it the most but the lone wolf type can still predict with accuracy what will happen next in the other sides attempt to win the war and know where they can do the most damage to that goal.
I would say other things being equal it is harder to capture than defend and if the sides were always equal nothing would happen.
If they need to get a goon in or M3 there will me a dirt cheap 262 or Tiger 2 available.
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How about when you log in to find you are the only one on your country vs 21 and 4 per country for enemies?
Everyone should switch to that side, fly with them, and then ask, where are the enemy?
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How about when you log in to find you are the only one on your country vs 21 and 4 per country for enemies?
Everyone should switch to that side, fly with them, and then ask, where are the enemy?
you mean when it's like this?
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnNZ6bby/locusts.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3FydgQ1)
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Right under "Arena Up Time " there should be an "Arena Reset Time" counting down a specific unit of time that the map will be changed automatically with whoever owns the most bases gets the perks..
That Reset Time is set to about 72 hours or so under the average time it took for that map to be won manually..
Eagler
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Yes, just like that.
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Map maximum uptime duration is 7 days. :cheers:
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Last night had a super battle for A103. Lot of GVs A reasonable balanced 3 countries. These kinds of epic battles are really exciting.
I think the key to these epic battles is an unusually strong desire to capture or defend the base. Not just get your points up.
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Map maximum uptime duration is 7 days. :cheers:
Way too long. If you are a 2 weeker. Only getting to play on 1 -3 maps may be a turn off. Also, larger maps that stay on for 3-4 days really turn #s away. Especially when it's over the weekend, and the Day time #s are just horrible with no fights on those maps. The count should be 2 days max. If the morning crew cannot win the map in the AM when it's 25-1 than the map is too damn big. I always can't stand when BowlMA takes the entire weekend because no one can win it. Then I log in at 2pm, see no fights, and log out.
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If the morning crew can't win the map in a day with 25-1 odds, then they need to learn some new skills and tactics.
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Map maximum uptime duration is 7 days. :cheers:
This month, the MA has seen at least 26 map resets so far (I think I missed one - is there a list of the current rotation anywhere so I can check?)
That means average uptime for a map is currently under 24 hours.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ih5Ef8d.png)
(work in progress)
So if you wanna get those war victory perk points, you got to join the morning crew (Bish preferably, though I don't have hard data on that) :old:
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Last night I got my first ever troop that won the war drop. I’ve been playing since 2009 and always been a Rook.
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This month, the MA has seen at least 26 map resets so far (I think I missed one - is there a list of the current rotation anywhere so I can check?)
That means average uptime for a map is currently under 24 hours.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ih5Ef8d.png)
A pulled up my logs from early 2013, 2014 and 2015, and it seems that the MA is currently getting at least twice as many resets per tour as back in the day. :old:
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A pulled up my logs from early 2013, 2014 and 2015, and it seems that the MA is currently getting at least twice as many resets per tour as back in the day. :old:
#winthewar :rock
baaaahhhhh
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WTG Dadtallica :rock :salute
Last night I got my first ever troop that won the war drop. I’ve been playing since 2009 and always been a Rook.
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Last night I got my first ever troop that won the war drop. I’ve been playing since 2009 and always been a Rook.
That is cool. I don't think I ever got that one in all my years.
Next the CMOH like the one you could get in F19 Stealth Fighter!
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A pulled up my logs from early 2013, 2014 and 2015, and it seems that the MA is currently getting at least twice as many resets per tour as back in the day. :old:
That isn't surprising, there's very little resistance to the lopsided "fight" at certain hours
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The great majority of map changes happens around 9:30 am-10:00 am Eastern USA time. This is almost daily if the big maps ddo not come into play.
There are occasional war wins happening during prime time.
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Seems early day map wins add to the functioning biosphere, keeping maps moving instead of becoming stagnate like buzzsaw.
Bitter for some sweet for others.
I like a fresh map at prime time.
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Perks are a big motivational factor of hording.
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I like a fresh map at prime time.
When a FineTyme is had by all
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Perks are a big motivational factor of hording.
agreed. in my opinion, a perk or ENY only system would more benefit the server reset time than the current perk/ENY system. at least it isn't like the current pay-to-win models that most games are running. microtransactions make me sick.
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Back in the day, I use to go on what I call "HO rampages" where I'd grab a 190A8 and HO everything in sight. It's fun. A mossie coming right at you is extremely scary, probably one of the scariest to even cross infront of. Typhoons and NIKs as well with their 4 20mm, you are asking for it trying to HO them. Always try to do more to dodge HOs. I try to get the vertical advantage with my nose while they are trying to shoot me, which automatically gives me the advantage if they miss and try to turn back at me.
The Bf-410 with its high velocity MK103 30mm nose-mounted outstrips everything in long range HO, one 30mm is normally enough for a B17 kill, only the B26 need more. The MK103 has about 3x of explosive filler than even the MK108.
Best gun in game if you only look at gun performance, and not the plane its attached to.
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The MK103 has about 3x of explosive filler than even the MK108.
The Minengeschoss projectiles were the same, with the same amount of filler.
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NS-37, a gun you can attack dead six on bombers from where the gunners can not hit you............if they aren't 35k B17s or B29s.
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The Minengeschoss projectiles were the same, with the same amount of filler.
As far as I know Minengeschoss are not represented in AH.
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As far as I know Minengeschoss are not represented in AH.
I know that AH belts are somewhat of an 'average, but for a), the MK 108 belt consisted mainly of Minengeschoss rounds (and as far as I know the MK 103 belts too, when used for air to air), and b) the Mk 108 and Mk 103 basically fired the same shells (just that the 108 didn't use the 101/103 armour piercing shells used for air to ground combat)
(https://i.imgur.com/ufaC7jh.png)
3cm mine / incendiary shell for Mk 103 and 108, as per title.
So I would like to know where the "3 times the filler" comes from. So far I didn't find anything :headscratch:
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It was from a Swedish article that have been translated from a German source, it could have been an error, or they compared something else with the rounds, and velocity.
Since I flew mostly FW190a8 when I was active in AH, me and squaddie Torquila (him flying almost only the bf410), we compared notes killing bombers, and the 'average' power you wrote was quite big what it took to down a B17 and specially the B26, when I flew the BF410 I noticed the same thing.
I suspect AH add kinetic energy to the mix
picture below last 2 to the right reference mk108 and mk103
(https://external-preview.redd.it/iMoNC1hpaYfRSqf3owbm6cz2G5Dzkuh7uF-Vr-pBQ3g.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e4b4b374f615465fab44c9a4638a5e10fa17f33c)
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picture below last 2 to the right reference mk108 and mk103
(https://external-preview.redd.it/iMoNC1hpaYfRSqf3owbm6cz2G5Dzkuh7uF-Vr-pBQ3g.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e4b4b374f615465fab44c9a4638a5e10fa17f33c)
The increased length of the 30x184B results from the casing alone, its the same projectile.
The kinetic energy is indeed about 3 times higher at the muzzle.
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The increased length of the 30x184B results from the casing alone, its the same projectile.
The kinetic energy is indeed about 3 times higher at the muzzle.
The other important factor in the higher velocity is the barrel lengths. The MK108 has a very short barrel as a trade off for a high(er) rate of fire. Otherwise, there would be too much pressure in the breach and cases would explode when the action opens - jamming the weapon. The MK103 has a slower rate of fire with the benefit of allowing for a cartridge with more propellant and a longer barrel for better accuracy.
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So I went to determine the Mk 103 in game damage by the good old "rounds to kill hangar" method - the only way we have to assess damage done. While we only can fire the MG 151/20 and the MK 103 in unison, the ROF of both weapons are known and so is the MG 151/20's damage value (3.55). According to my findings, the MK-103 has a damage value of about 12.3, which is only a tad over the Mk-108's 11.6. Maybe someone else can do his own tests to verify this (or to find the error in my thinking)
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WTG Dadtallica :rock :salute
That is cool. I don't think I ever got that one in all my years.
Next the CMOH like the one you could get in F19 Stealth Fighter!
Thanks fellas! :cheers:
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So I went to determine the Mk 103 in game damage by the good old "rounds to kill hangar" method - the only way we have to assess damage done. While we only can fire the MG 151/20 and the MK 103 in unison, the ROF of both weapons are known and so is the MG 151/20's damage value (3.55). According to my findings, the MK-103 has a damage value of about 12.3, which is only a tad over the Mk-108's 11.6. Maybe someone else can do his own tests to verify this (or to find the error in my thinking)
You start firing at longer range in the mk103 (the HO scenario), its ls so lethal in its nose mounted configuration, nothing survives.
Against B26 I normally got one kill and 1 or 2 smoking planes in the A8 with 30mms, against the B17 normally 2 kills and one smoking (2 or 10 o'clock slightly higher).
In the Me410 normally you start shooting at longer range, normally I got all 3 B17's and vs the B26 i got 2 and one smoking.
Note I did not count bullets, often the ME410 was messed up enough so you had to land , whereas the A8 was almost untouched, except when a certain 99000 was flying it :)
In the A8 with 4 cannons you could expect less unless you shot from 11 or 1 o'clock, then you get all 3, B17s and in return you had a smoking or dead engine.