Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: icepac on March 30, 2025, 05:59:29 AM
If there’s action at Avon park or Pinecastle, then someone’s about to have a really bad day.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: CptTrips on March 30, 2025, 09:25:59 AM
Trump Sun morning:
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During the interview, Trump also threatened “bombing” and “secondary tariffs” on Iran if the country did not make a deal with the U.S. to ensure it did not develop a nuclear weapon.
“If they don’t make a deal,” Trump said about Iran, “there will be bombing. It will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before.”
Tariffs are to raise prices so when they are removed and prices come down they'll take credit for lower prices.. :rolleyes:
Eagler
If you haven't figured out by now that he speaks his own language, I don't know what to tell you. Regardless, speech like this is all countries like Iran understand.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Brooke on March 30, 2025, 06:22:02 PM
Tariffs are incentivization tools to get things such as: lowering tariffs on your products, not hassling your companies with weaponized regulations or rulings, getting factories built in the US instead of in other nations, etc.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: guncrasher on March 30, 2025, 07:19:47 PM
Tariffs are incentivization tools to get things such as: lowering tariffs on your products, not hassling your companies with weaponized regulations or rulings, getting factories built in the US instead of in other nations, etc.
there's a reason why companies left. same reason why they wont comeback it's been like that for 30+ years
semp
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: RUSH1 on March 30, 2025, 07:50:37 PM
there's a reason why companies left. same reason why they wont comeback it's been like that for 30+ years
semp
Companies operate (usually) to maximize their profit. A 25% tariff if you build stuff outside the US and import it, vs. 0% tariff if you build it inside the US, can mean higher profit to build it inside the US. Even if companies initially moved manufacturing outside the US for cheaper labor or building or whatever, at some tariff %, you will make more money moving the manufacturing back to the US.
This is why these companies recently announced building factories in the US: -- Taiwan Semiconductor ($65B) -- Apple ($500B) -- Hyundai ($20B) -- Samsung ($44B) -- Intel ($20B) -- Honda ($700M) -- nVidia ($200B)
A few hundred $billion here, a few hundred $billion there -- pretty soon, you're talking about real money.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Eagler on March 31, 2025, 08:05:50 AM
there's a reason why companies left. same reason why they wont comeback it's been like that for 30+ years
semp
Worse now..union paid US workers won't make anything made here any cheaper than it's now being made in other countries..
It's more about security than costs but the average American isn't up to feeling any more pain until these tariffs have their effects so they will fail as will the reduction of government by laying off these redundant and useless jobs as the other side will just promise the positions back with back pay via EO and boom ..back to square one...
Eagler
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: icepac on March 31, 2025, 08:24:17 AM
I saw an trump interview from the 80s and he mentioned that going offshore will come back to bite us.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: CptTrips on March 31, 2025, 09:39:52 AM
I saw an trump interview from the 80s and he mentioned that going offshore will come back to bite us.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: -gg- on March 31, 2025, 11:40:57 AM
We should charge reciprocal tariffs. If a country is charging us, or if they are dumping product, then we should charging appropriate tariffs until it's remedied.
Not sure what Trump is doing exactly, but I do know that Canada has some pretty steep tariffs on American dairy. China doesn't freely allow some American business and they subsidize a lot of stuff and they're been known to dump in the market.
I do not know the detail of most of our tariffs, or if they are justified or not. I suspect that they are supposed to be a bargaining tool.
I'm not against having China make our suff. American, German, UK and other quality companies design a lot of the stuff and it's made in factories a lot of them have made. It's just that it's located in China and they have a MUCH more sophisticated and VAST industrial base and supply chain. Who cares where the stuff is made?
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: CptTrips on March 31, 2025, 12:03:50 PM
Tariffs are the gateway drug to a command economy.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Brooke on March 31, 2025, 05:44:37 PM
they will fail as will the reduction of government by laying off these redundant and useless jobs as the other side will just promise the positions back with back pay via EO and boom ..back to square one...
I give it better than 50% chance it works better than not doing it.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: RUSH1 on March 31, 2025, 07:12:09 PM
Worse now..union paid US workers won't make anything made here any cheaper than it's now being made in other countries..
It's more about security than costs but the average American isn't up to feeling any more pain until these tariffs have their effects so they will fail as will the reduction of government by laying off these redundant and useless jobs as the other side will just promise the positions back with back pay via EO and boom ..back to square one...
Eagler
I appreciate your skepticism when it comes to government, but after a few years of reading your posts, I'm not sure if any approach to politics would please you.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Animl-AW on March 31, 2025, 07:35:33 PM
Worse now..union paid US workers won't make anything made here any cheaper than it's now being made in other countries..
It's more about security than costs but the average American isn't up to feeling any more pain until these tariffs have their effects so they will fail as will the reduction of government by laying off these redundant and useless jobs as the other side will just promise the positions back with back pay via EO and boom ..back to square one...
Eagler
Being a union guy, truth, union will not make it cheaper, but probably better and safer, but wages and benefits level any savings. The wages are not too much, they are cost of living. I gave you a invoice for a typical arena concert you’d crap. That truth said, most unions would not even exist if employers did the right thing for workers. They do not. They want miracles for less to put more in their pockets, greed. The reason we have unions is because of corporate greed, they pass zero savings to the buyer. Ya know what a lot of them do instead of better wages? They go around the country with $2-3 million stage productions to feel like ego gods. Its sick. I’ve seen just one company spend 10 million city wide. Medical is ridiculous. Corporate will keep that high price no matter what.. thise CEO want to be rock stars, literally. If you saw it you’d vomit.
When I get time I’ll post a cpl videos. Jaw dropping the gear we use. Even for me
I do not believe one word about security, its about stealing their minerals and oil. Ya don’t need to own it for security, Greenland used to have 18 bases, now 1-3. i’ll bet big in Vegas its about minerals and oil. The security excuse is nonsense. Thats what allies are for.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: RUSH1 on March 31, 2025, 09:02:53 PM
Being a union guy, truth, union will not make it cheaper, but probably better and safer, but wages and benefits level any savings. The wages are not too much, they are cost of living. I gave you a invoice for a typical arena concert you’d crap. That truth said, most unions would not even exist if employers did the right thing for workers. They do not. They want miracles for less to put more in their pockets, greed. The reason we have unions is because of corporate greed, they pass zero savings to the buyer. Ya know what a lot of them do instead of better wages? They go around the country with $2-3 million stage productions to feel like ego gods. Its sick. I’ve seen just one company spend 10 million city wide. Medical is ridiculous. Corporate will keep that high price no matter what.. thise CEO want to be rock stars, literally. If you saw it you’d vomit.
When I get time I’ll post a cpl videos. Jaw dropping the gear we use. Even for me
I do not believe one word about security, its about stealing their minerals and oil. Ya don’t need to own it for security, Greenland used to have 18 bases, now 1-3. i’ll bet big in Vegas its about minerals and oil. The security excuse is nonsense. Thats what allies are for.
So unions have not become greedy and politicized?
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Animl-AW on March 31, 2025, 09:28:03 PM
Kinda yes, kinda no. It's much longer story than you would think
I'll give you a personal example.
I my base pay straight time was $56 hr. Sounds great and greedy right? If you could only imagine what comes with that. Because of privatization of the toll road I need to use to get to work on time consistently, tolls rose from 1.25 to 4.50 ( have to show profit for share holders), crossing the bridge into Chicago is 8.25. I use 2 tolls, total $13 on-way. $26 round trip. Parking cost me between $25-50. I'm at $50 without even getting out of the car. If I have to buy my own meal it's about another $25, now up to $75 per day to work, if it's a long day and I have to buy 2 meals I'm up to $100 just to work one day. My 1st 1.5-2 hrs of work is just paying for my commute. Last year it cost me $10k just to commute to work, no meals counted. NOW, listen, I used to be able to right that off in expenses on taxes,.. because of the tax scam I get to deduct ZERO, its now out of pocket.
Now, when you commute round trip 78 miles per day (not to mention 3 hrs in the car of your time) city driving you wear your car out real fast, and maybe in an accident, if you fall sleep because you worked 20 hrs, or drunks. same thing. OR maybe shot just driving home. Typical car maintenance is about $2k per yr. I'm up to $12k now. I live modestly, cost me $21k for home utilities and expenses per yr. I just dumped $32k. Have not bought myself a thing yet.
If we made $25 per hour, entertainment in Chicago would dump to almost nothing because no one is stupid enough to do that. Do you know what they want to pay us? $15 hr, OR a day rate of $200, meaning they can work you 2 or 20 hrs , same pay.. These are multi-million and billionaires,.. FU pay me. Then they want us to work 12-20 hrs with no over time 4-5 days in a row. we all have to be OSHA certified to make sure they don't cheap out and kill someone, which they barely care about. Or play games like work you 1 hr, take you off the clock, you go 20-50 miles home and call you back for 3 more hours, you just wasted a day for scraps. The union made sure we get an 8 hr minimum.
Ya know how much a promoter takes home on one arena concert? 2-4 MILLION for one day. There is NO WAY a concert should cost $300-1,500. Its GREED. FU pay me. If they got rid of the union do you think they would pass that savings on to you the customer? lol,no chance in hell.
So, you need to ask yourself who you are for,.... the CEO/Promoter or the worker? Who needs the help most?
Unions ARE politicized for sure, no doubt. They have to to have any power to negotiate. If you have 6 million electricians in a city, you can change that vote. Its a razor line. But simple, we vote for who doesn't screw us. I give a rats butt what color the flag they wave.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: icepac on April 01, 2025, 04:23:41 AM
Don’t try to get a lower bottom line competing with a country with slave labor.
Instead, go for the quality that those slave labor countries can not duplicate.
Title: Re: B-2s Mass in Diego Garcia
Post by: Eagler on April 01, 2025, 06:39:38 AM
Don’t try to get a lower bottom line competing with a country with slave labor.
Instead, go for the quality that those slave labor countries can not duplicate.
Quality? Lol it's all about the price and what it looks like to others..see man made diamonds..
I see the joke our leaders have become on both sides of the corrupt coin..and no I don't think the average American has the thick skin needed to take the pain tariffs need to bring to work properly
Love the corruption they have uncovered but lets see the investigations and charges now..not holding my breath