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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eng3firemn on July 24, 2001, 09:44:00 AM
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What is up with guys in the MA that go around accusing fellow countrymen of stealing their kills. Yesterday I was engaged with a spit over a field the bishes were trying to capture. I had been Turning & Burning with him for about 2 or 3 min and had several hits. In comes a fellow bish (I'll keep him anonymous)who scores a few hits at the same time I re-engage ....and down goes the con. As always, I follow the con down to the deck scoring as many rounds as possible to make sure he was good and dead, since a goon was OTW. Low and behold, over our RW frequency I am accused by this individual that I snaked HIS kill, and this was my only warning to never do it again. :confused: Even after explaining the turn of events he still felt I had stolen what was his...and he only ended up with an assist. :D My question for anyone out there is this: Was this considered stealing a kill and if not ....is it even possible to do such a thing? Or was this guy just a whiner? Does HTC award kills to person with most hits? I was just a little confused by the whole turn of events and was curious to find a few answers.
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: eng3firemn ]
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This was actually, according to your description, an attempted steal. He tried to steal your kill, lol.
As I understand, the one that does the most damage gets the kill, however, I have seen some anomolies. For example, one of my squad mates using mg's took the stab. off of a con. The con augers into the ground near me and explodes. I got a proximity kill. Go figure.
In ref to kill stealing etiquit <SP>. Most don't like it but sometimes they <we> don't see everything as is evident in your situation.
The BK's however are a different story altogether. :D
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That's what we like to call a putz.
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Some guy called Fradim always steals my kills. I don't mind, I steal Sprints instead, he's too busy trying to pinch Kwan's to notice. Westy got one once, but Dago took it off him. We made BB change his name 'cos he was in all the "Kill thief" wanted posters, and Mr Lars got jealous....
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I hear ya fatty :p . Almost makes me want to tell everyone who he is so we can have a DWEEB HUNT ... or just give him sh*t for being a whiner.
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Was he a LuftWaffle? :)
-SW
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Yep, no doubt he tried to steal your kill. On the other extreme is the guy who, the other day after I shot the tail off a foe after a decent one on one, came in and followed the guy down, pumping .50's into him the whole way...he got the kill. Since the only other friendlies around were my squaddies, I politely "thanked" him for "finishing" my kill and told him he could have the 4 bandits coming in, too. He didn't last long. ;)
HaMmeR
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Seeker ... So that explains why I havn't been getting my kills. hahah. To funny :D
Sprint
*MOL*
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ya know who was good at stealing every kill? fricken fscott.
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if the plane is already going down, why bother shooting it anymore? Why waste the ammo? it doesnt matter who gets the Kill, as long as the enemy is dead :)
...then you have that whole respawn thing ;)
Round 2
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I've seen it happen all too often. Just the other night, I was flying with three other squaddies and we were working this LA7 and Camel had just squeezed his trigger when this kill-stealing nimrod zooms in front of him. Not only does this bozo "steal" Camel's kill, but winds up shooting Camel down, too. You see, right as Camel pulled the trigger he started hosing down the kill-stealing-bastage and kill-shooter did the rest. This happened in sight of three of us and the guy still denied he "stole" the kill. Go figure. And this was only one of many times I've had this guy steal my kill. Normally, I wouldn't mind, but this repeated offense thing is getting to me. And when it results in the death of a squadmate who would have otherwise been able to land a legitimate kill, this is unforgivable.
So there. Stoppit!
I feel better now.
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Well I see that maybe a whole story should be told but I will not defend myself. But I will say that I watched U tangle with this Spit for 5 minutes with no sign of a kill or a attempt to kill, I watched and I watched then I asked to see if U needed help and U said jump in, so I did and in one pass the spit was wingless. and U continueed to shoot at him on the way down thats a steal to me. I maybe wrong but I doubt it and I will say now that I know longer care, for it was yesterday and today is a new day if firemn U want to continue this banter I will gladly gun U down over and over again today for I have nothing better to do. :) If I snaked the kill then I appologize for the accusation but I say so with a great deal of anger and I have lost a great deal of interest in the game, since the influx of Newbies who know it all.
Hodo
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Originally posted by Kingonads:
I say so with a great deal of anger and I have lost a great deal of interest in the game, since the influx of Newbies who know it all.
If it weren't for newbies, you'd be SOL if you wanted to play AH.
Newbies keep games alive because without new people the game has the same faces day in and day out and that quickly becomes boring and the lack of revenue sends the game down the drain.
-SW
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Ahh this is true but at the sametime how many have U seen read the README files or the help page on HTs page?? I am not against them I am just tired of them telling me they KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT WWII and the game hell I dont know everything about the game I can be pretty damn sure that HT doesnt know everything about the game. So thats what I am tired of I guess I shoulda clarified myself.
Hodo
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There is no such thing as snaking kills. If someone wants to fight one on one they go to the dueling arena. Everything else is fair game in the MA.
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Hodo, there are "know it alls" in all walks of life. YOu just have to deal with the salamanders.
Nothing like proving a "know it all" wrong.
If the newbie claims to know everything about WWII or the game or whatever... ignore the fool.
It's the newbies that ask for help that make it all worth while.
-SW
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Well Hodo, I guess you did have the balls to identify yourself...at least I had the restraint to not slander you and your identity all over an open mike and channel, as you did to me yesterday. Last time I checked ..we were on the same team with the same goals ...shooting down cons. And after all, its just a game isn't it? The only thing that got me was your "This is your only warning firemn" ...REALITY CHECK dude ...I could give a care less what you warn me about doing or not doing. All I wanted to find out today was if I was in the wrong ..and if I was, to rectify it. (And as for begging you to come help me ;) , I'll always accept a wingman or cover.)
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: eng3firemn ]
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: eng3firemn ]
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I've lost track of the times that I've seen what looked like a furball and then on closer look, found it to be two or three of my green mates prosecuting a red victim. Too often, I've turn my back on the fight and went to look elsewhere believing that they had the situation in hand only to get hammered by the "hapless" victim.
Nowadays, I'll blast right through and waste him. Kill-steal or not. It's safer.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much! Sour and I used to steal RAM's kills all the time!
The end result is the the "bastiage is dead!"
Alot of people get caught up in their "personal" kill thingie. I guess whatever turns ya on. There are always more comin on.
I got reprimanded for not "calling a target" once. According to the set rules I did not "call" the target, therefore I was not allowed to attack it. This person informed me it prevented "gangbangin".
I replied, "Huh?"
I quickly logged and check all the rules of AH and I could not find this rule.
So I figured since this doink wasn't paying my credit card bill I was going to attack the enemy without "calling it!"
In the ranks of thousands, you'll find all kinds!
My advice: Ignore it and fly, no sense in wasting valuable flying time on someone's anal nature!!
Cool :cool:
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Turn and burn and score hits all you want.
But the enemy is not DEAD til it has lost a wing or any other vital surface and is otw to the ground.
IF you fire at a plane that's obviously not able to fly, then YOU are stealing the kill.
You had your chance for 2-3 minutes.
While I agree that if you've fought an enemy long and hard and finally gottim low and slow and someone swoops in and makes the kill is very frustrating, that's only a semi-steal since the enemy was alive and well before the other guy opened up.
If, OTOH, the other guy (or you) open up on a plane that is clearly disabled, then that is an attempt at stealing a kill.
It's quite simple; if yer trying to ping a disabled plane falling from the sky that you dinnae break, yer trying to go kill-stealing.
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I agree with Santa........
but its so easy.... if someone is a professional stealer, sign it in your "list of no six call" (or better a list of random inopportune six call :D :D -Joke).
Thats all you can do with this kind of vultures :p
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Stegor has it right.
I've got a relitively short list of people who have stolen kills, or who seem to make a habit of jumping in when I'm saddled up at 250 ready to blow em away.
They get no 6 calls, no support, and no warnings from me.
That being said I've stolen my share, some intentionally, some not. It happens, it is a fact of life in AH, no single kill should be that important.
It's the consistant repeat offenders that make my list.
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in the BK's... Well.. they have an abhorent rule about stealing kills from poor ol harmless, fat, bald lazs. they think it's funny. it is cruel and insensitive but what are ya gonna do?
If i get there and the con is still alive then you are considered to be playing with your food and he is fair game. I don't let anyone ditch or bail no matter who shot him up first.
lazs
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Kill stealers are there, and they come in two flavors. You have the new players who are just clueless as to how things work, and mearly see a way to have fun. The real problem are those who know all too well what they are doing. These are the bozos who chase the bomber with a wing missing, floating down to the ground in a death spin, and do everything they can to get the kill for themselves.
These players are not playing in the spirit of the game, and do not promot a positive and fun environment. There are a few people who I will not aid in any way because I have watched them over and over trying to steal kills. I tend to politly mention to a player the first time I see them blatently attempting the steal (shooting tailess planes is a dead givaway), after all, you never know your doing something inapropriate if its never mentioned to you in a polite and respectful tone.
One important caviat to this discussion is that I do not consider someone shooting a plane I am engaged with as someone trying to steal the kill. It is certainly not always my favorite thing to have "help" shooting down a low, slow, and inevitably doomed adversary whos six I am glued too, but I certainly would rather have help as a matter of regular habbit, than die because someone was worried about being accused of some transgression. There is a huge diffrence between helping kill an active threat, and pumping lead into a doomed piece of falling wood and metal.
One thing I tend to do (and would hope others adopt as well) is to hang out above a fight that I see my teamate has well in hand, and make sure he doesnt get jumped and also be close by just in case the tables get turned. Not only does this help protect them, but it can also distract their target and make the kill easier for them. The long term goodwill, and cooperation gained from assisting your teamates will provide far more satisfaction and a much higher scores than taking that one kill does.
If your playing Aces High as a solo player, and not a team game....your not playing Aces High and your missing the fun!
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last time I checked ... it was just a GAME :)
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While I agree that if you've fought an enemy long and hard and finally gottim low and slow and someone swoops in and makes the kill is very frustrating, that's only a semi-steal since the enemy was alive and well before the other guy opened up.
Baron StSanta Von GrossenArsch
I also agree with Santa...
Of course it's also frustrating when you've fought an enemy long and hard and he/she ends up on your six at low alt (perhaps you had the disadvantage from the start and have just managed to survive the whole time) and the high friendly doesn't drop in to help, or waits for the perfect saddle shot that comes just about the time you die.
As long as the plane is in flying condition it's a legit target. The same with headons -- I try to avoid them, and usually do, but when they're unavoidable I pull the trigger because more often than not the other player will be doing the same.
Charon
BTW. I'm sure many of you have seen that popular gun camera footage of the F6F cutting in front of another (to steal the kill) as it was firing on a Japanese fighter. You can see it taking hits, I believe, if you look closely enough.
[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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I am thankfull for the support from StSanta and freinds and I do think that I was right in the accusasion but I am sorry for doing it over open radio net for that I was wrong, but as for U singing off half way through the arguement was REAL shady. So I am only after one goal and one goal only now I am after the reset the furbal is fun but I like to win as do many other pilots in game, and yes it is a game. But kill stealing is Shady in the Real world and in the game world. And thats all I have to say about that.
"THE KING HATH SPOKEN"
Kingonads
AKA Hodo
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Hodo,
Your apolgy for doing it over the open mic is accepted ... I understand that when things get frustrating you don't think about stuff like that. As far as leaving abruptly, my wife came home and it was time to go for dinner ...and besides, cooling off was probably the best thing at that time. As far as St. Santas comment goes ... If a fellow teammate sees an a/c plummeting from 15k and chases it down to the deck to score hits while its smoking and pieces are coming off...thats one thing. But we were all on the deck at about 1k or less, turning and burning. When I final came around on his 6 again (after Hodo made his pass I presume) I locked on visually and opened up. It was that simple .... there was no INTENT whatsoever of stealing anyones kill. I'll leave it at that ... Hodo, I've enjoyed flying and fighting with you over RW and hope we can put this behind us. I only wanted to make people in the community aware of the fact that if you start accusing people of stealing YOUR so called kills ... next time you need help or a wingman... don't expect to find them there.
[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: eng3firemn ]
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WTG guys.
I would say that the guy that bounced and winged the kill should expect the man he helped to leave the kill to him.
As to the "I had the guys lined up and someone zipped in and killed him and I got kill shot for it." Well. While extremely frustrating at the time, I think in retro these are pretty hard to fault.
In my squad it often happens that I will win a fight(either force the guy into severe disadvantage or take an irreplacable piece off) yet not get the final kill. Just as often I will get the final kill that I didnt really earn or some one saves me from a plane that I hadnt crippeled as well as I thought(happend last night)you really want to fight with aggressive capable guys on your side. They will tend to kill things.
The most valuble thing that you can develop is as many trust relationships with your country men as you can. It is worth 1000s of times more towards your game enjoyment and success then the kills it will cost you.
This altercation you two have had can lead to a long and prosperous relationship between the two of you that you will remember fondly a year from now. You both sound like reasonable guys to me.