Funny thing is, I have generally avoided taking front quarter shots from any aspect - but they are valid and practice makes perfect I guess.
Aside from the increasing clique-ness popping creeping into MNM, it's still fun.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Eagler on May 06, 2025, 06:15:10 AM
Good crowd! Good fun!
Thanks for hosting Jaeger1!
Eagler
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: captain1ma on May 06, 2025, 07:33:57 AM
always a pleasure, always a blast.
i think people need to do less talking and more fighting. i work really hard to keep it civilized and some people, who end up scoring in the top 1percentile, need to just calm down and play not be a problem.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 06, 2025, 08:15:35 AM
i think people need to do less talking and more fighting. i work really hard to keep it civilized and some people, who end up scoring in the top 1percentile, need to just calm down and play not be a problem.
I give what I get. SNO got front quarter because I was getting them. Front quarter. As I said, I will call out lies and exaggeration every time.
Problem with me refuting lies?
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fudgums on May 06, 2025, 08:37:06 AM
Always a great time jaeger! Fun fights and gets tougher to get kills each week!
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 06, 2025, 09:27:04 AM
I give what I get. SNO got front quarter because I was getting them. Front quarter. As I said, I will call out lies and exaggeration every time.
Problem with me refuting lies?
most people are ok with "oops sorry about that". with the fights the way they are, sometimes its close. be the bigger man and say sorry about that and carry on. most people are ok with it. the incessant taunting is getting old, its NOT THE MA!
Most, but not all, refrain from anything past the 9 or 3 oclock shot. 10-2 being the danger zone. i try not to take shots like that unless i cant tell if they're coming at me or not. thats just me. occasionally i foul up, and i apologize for it right away. it doesnt take much effort to say ooops sorry about that. and this advice goes for everyone in monday night madness. its about fun fights not verbal ones!!
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fudgums on May 06, 2025, 09:50:06 AM
Yea, it's almost immediately that if someone accidentally takes a close to illegal shot that they apologize. Same with collisions.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 06, 2025, 10:35:32 AM
most people are ok with "oops sorry about that". with the fights the way they are, sometimes its close. be the bigger man and say sorry about that and carry on. most people are ok with it. the incessant taunting is getting old, its NOT THE MA!
Most, but not all, refrain from anything past the 9 or 3 oclock shot. 10-2 being the danger zone. i try not to take shots like that unless i cant tell if they're coming at me or not. thats just me. occasionally i foul up, and i apologize for it right away. it doesnt take much effort to say ooops sorry about that. and this advice goes for everyone in monday night madness. its about fun fights not verbal ones!!
This is not about me HOing - because I didn't. I have nothing to apologize for. :aok
lofl, do y'all even read what you're saying or just feeling the need to circle your clique-y little wagons? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 06, 2025, 10:42:34 AM
I've never much cared for people who lie or exaggerate, especially when they double down on it.
Well Shane there aren't supposed to be intentional Ho's (frontal attacks) in MNM. But I guess you are the exception.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 06, 2025, 11:45:36 AM
Looks like 2 intentional and blatant HO's to me, and an intentional ram. Good job Shane... you had 0 credibility before this fiasco and you have even less now... congratulations on negative credibility lol. Where's your "facts" and "truths" now Oh Wise One. Just wait until I post mine.
Absolute cancer to the game.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 06, 2025, 12:08:57 PM
Well Shane there aren't supposed to be intentional Ho's (frontal attacks) in MNM. But I guess you are the exception.
Yep, I have the film of it, too. Came right at me and went under me, I'll take that vertical front quarter opportunity, tyvm.
Both SNO and Stampf have a habit of coming directly at me, I stopped moving out of the way a while back (and we're seeing more collisions because of it.)
I give what I get - this has been escalating for a while now - it started when your egos crept in.
Here's what your film shows from my perspective. This was around 7:30 - I had already taken "front quarters" from others by this time. See how that works, giving what I get?
Funny, you said "nice ho weeb" :rofl :aok to which I replied that "you went under me." Which you did.
I only got half my guns on you, not all, so it's a reach to call it a HO.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 06, 2025, 12:48:42 PM
Should be all you need to see here Jaeger, haven’t even posted mine yet. Dude tells us to “back up our claims the way he can” well… here you go. Blatantly HOing people and then trying to justify why he did it with some more BS remarks.
Shane, I will no longer waste my time on you… you’re incapable of seeing that you are the problem, the only problem, and as I’m sure some here enjoy seeing this drama unfold on the boards, most do not, and like the majority of us just want to play the game and have fun.
At the end of the day, that’s all this is… a game and you… you’re a troll and a sore loser, and that’s all you’re ever going to be. No matter what we say to you, show you, or try to drill into your head with cartoon bullets… you’ll never learn. So with that, I’m done trying to prove a point to you and will no longer respond to any BS you post on the boards. You have 0 credibility and it’s not worth my time and efforts to argue with you.
The community knows what you are and sees you.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shuffler on May 06, 2025, 12:55:09 PM
You either have to go under or over or to the side. Waiting till that happens changes nothing. The idea is not being a poor sport. If neither turns, you collide. Shooting was a poor choice, IMHO. Against the whole idea of MNM. If a mistake, just admit it. There is no point to argue though.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Baloo on May 06, 2025, 01:00:15 PM
Blatantly HOing people and then trying to justify why he did it with some more BS remarks.
At the end of the day, that’s all this is… a game and you…
All I see are butthurt fragile ego-bois. You deserved all the laughing I sent your way.
This screencap is from last weeks MNM when you went all ragey and HOey... in most of those named films you came directly at me and I held my fire until you fired. What might Jaeger have to say about that? I even called him on your behavior and got a limp "what can I do?" response.
I have never cared for hypocrite moreso those who also feel the need to lie and exaggerate.
Yeah, these are all you HOing me. Would you like me to post the actual films as well? Sit down, boi.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 06, 2025, 01:43:54 PM
I told Jaeger I was doing it, you started intentionally HO’ing me as you often do, so I told Jaeger I will HO Shane every single pass until the end of the night now, everyone knew I wasn’t even playing the game anymore, just making sure you couldn’t either. which I did. This has been going on for months and I’m done with it.
Run along troll. We’re finished here.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Eagler on May 06, 2025, 02:05:53 PM
Sorry but as the middle image clearly shows hits on the nose cowling it can be nothing but a ho...ho is short for head on if anyone has forgotten...
Ignore them and move on...it's really not worth this much attention..
How about the decent pilots only take 3 to 9 shots and let the rest take whatever...
Eagler
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: captain1ma on May 06, 2025, 02:39:00 PM
Eagler put it best. NO FRONTAL ATTACKS. hows that?!! clear enough? thats what im going with from here on out.
i thought it was pretty clear, but since theres this inane effort to push the envelope, ill change the rules! that should take care of the arguements!!
shane the only complaints i get are about you and from you. you always have this need to push the envelope. you've flat out ho'd me many times, i just let it go.
and after you do it you complain i was gonna ho you. yes sometime i fire, but its because i cant tell that you're coming at me. otherwise i dont do it.
again you seem to be the only one with the need to push the envelope. so try this, and ill put it in the rules for next week. 3-9oclock and back. anything more is a ho.
deal with it or leave! im tired of the BS. i have enough of that in my life. having lived through a Fire and trying to put my life and house back together, i dont need the aggravation!
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shuffler on May 06, 2025, 02:48:20 PM
Eagler put it best. NO FRONTAL ATTACKS. hows that?!! clear enough?
shane the only complaints i get are about you and from you. you've flat out ho'd me many times, i just let it go.
so try this, and ill put it in the rules for next week. 3-9oclock and back. anything more is a ho.
deal with it or leave! im tired of the BS. i have enough of that in my life. having lived through a Fire and trying to put my life and house back together, i dont need the aggravation!
No duh, sherlock!!! I've been going on about this forever, I finally said, nah, I'll just start giving back what I get. And here we are. I'm not the one the that starts anything, I react, not initiate.
You have never once in the moment said anything about what you felt was a HO. I'll call you a liar right to your face for that statement about HOing you many times. Every time I experience one, I call it out - to you that's complaining, lofl.
Gonna be hilarious watching y'all struggle for the 3/9 and behind shots. :aok
How about we discuss the trend for collsions? I stopped moving aside, even tho' I easily can because... I give what I get.
You think you're the only one who has dealt with a fire? I have. Sit down with that, it has no place in this discussion.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Baloo on May 06, 2025, 03:43:07 PM
I told Jaeger I was doing it, you started intentionally HO’ing me as you often do, so I told Jaeger I will HO Shane every single pass until the end of the night now, everyone knew I wasn’t even playing the game anymore, just making sure you couldn’t either. which I did. This has been going on for months and I’m done with it.
Run along troll. We’re finished here.
Yanno, you made me go back and review your bogus claims.
Between "snoram1" (where sno and I collided) and "stampfho-boi" I had 4 sorties. In two of them, I can only find what you might think would be a "HO" that set off your ragey-hoing spree.
Those two films of your deaths are in Films Forum now - are you claiming these are HOs? I don't think so, yet you went on a deliberate butthurt ho/ram spree. I guess I was simply pwnsaucing you too hard for your ego to accept.
And then you went on a deliberate HO-binge over the next 20 mins and at least 7 times. Butthurt much?
Oh yeah, those two deaths of yours on film that seemed to have triggered your ego... https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,410944.msg5447369.html#msg5447369
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Eagler on May 07, 2025, 06:59:08 AM
What's the big deal about scoring kills in MNM when 95% of them are just outright picks anyway?
The attraction of it for me is the nonstop action - win or lose - and the funny crap spoken or texted on the common comms channel 223..
When some try to turn MNM 223 into MA 200 is when MNM sours imo..just laugh it off and pull your trigger for an hour..
Eagler
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: captain1ma on May 07, 2025, 07:06:00 AM
shane you are an example of a sore winner. you had 37 kills monday night. what is the problem?
dont ho, no frontal attacks. have fun. period all set. lets give it a rest. if its that bad in there shane, feel free to stay in the MA.
we're all there to have fun. not to listen to you whine about rules or ho's or whatever hair crosses your butt that day. enjoy it but dont screw it up. im already losing one player because of you. i can do without that.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 07:39:01 AM
shane you are an example of a sore winner. you had 37 kills monday night. what is the problem?
dont ho, no frontal attacks. have fun. period all set. lets give it a rest. if its that bad in there shane, feel free to stay in the MA.
we're all there to have fun. not to listen to you whine about rules or ho's or whatever hair crosses your butt that day. enjoy it but dont screw it up. im already losing one player because of you. i can do without that.
You. Do. Not. Get. It.
Integrity matters... to me, anyway. This has nothing to do with kills or scoring, it has to do with SNO doubling down on his false claim.
Don't put others' decisions on me; someone not participating is all on them. I could have left after the way you messed up settings or continue to allow HOs by your buddies - that would have been on you, driving a player away, right? And look at all these personal attacks I've been getting, lofl. Check yourselves, maybe?
If someone cannot handle being laughed at, rub some dirt on those egos and man up. And maybe stop doing laughable things.
Or continue to circle your wagons because big bad Shane makes you uncomfortable in your feels.
Or maybe just follow the rules YOU set. I don't start things, I react to what I receive.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: captain1ma on May 07, 2025, 08:21:30 AM
or you could just say no harm, no foul, take your win and move on. you just dont quit. let it go. stuff happens, deal with it and move on. ok so you got ho'd, youve ho'd me many time. most of the time i say nothing. i just deal with it. you can to.
geez get over it. its done and theres no fixing it. so move on!
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 09:16:05 AM
or you could just say no harm, no foul, take your win and move on. you just dont quit. let it go. stuff happens, deal with it and move on. ok so you got ho'd, youve ho'd me many time. most of the time i say nothing. i just deal with it. you can to.
geez get over it. its done and theres no fixing it. so move on!
How about this same cast of characters - who have been doing this how long now - simply learn not to take those shots in the first place? If you think I HO say so in the moment and I'll check - holding back and coming way later in with exaggerations of "ho'd you any times" doesn't hold credibility with me.
By not calling it out, it becomes more prevalent and look at where we are. I give what I get, pretty simple.
As a long-time dueler, I'm keenly aware of the fine line between HO and front quarter. You? Not so much. But I'm all onboard with your rule change of 3/9 and behind - going to be interesting if it applies to everyone and not just me and eagler. :aok
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shuffler on May 07, 2025, 09:43:22 AM
Always a great time jaeger! Fun fights and gets tougher to get kills each week!
Just so you don't think I'm forgetting about you. :neener:
You've seen me say you could get a lot more kills <cough> clearing my 6 from the angries. :aok
I cannot imagine the challenge you must face when the 3 on me turn their attention to you. :( On the bright side, I just respawn and clean up clearing some of the 3 angries off your 6! :joystick: :banana:
:rofl
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 10:33:39 AM
Just so you don't think I'm forgetting about you. :neener:
You've seen me say you could get a lot more kills <cough> clearing my 6 from the angries. :aok
I cannot imagine the challenge you must face when the 3 on me turn their attention to you. :( On the bright side, I just respawn and clean up clearing some of the 3 angries off your 6! :joystick: :banana:
:rofl
I get more practice time with my reversals :joystick:
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 11:08:06 AM
Integrity matters... to me, anyway. This has nothing to do with kills or scoring, it has to do with SNO doubling down on his false claim.
Don't put others' decisions on me; someone not participating is all on them. I could have left after the way you messed up settings or continue to allow HOs by your buddies - that would have been on you, driving a player away, right? And look at all these personal attacks I've been getting, lofl. Check yourselves, maybe?
If someone cannot handle being laughed at, rub some dirt on those egos and man up. And maybe stop doing laughable things.
Or continue to circle your wagons because big bad Shane makes you uncomfortable in your feels.
Or maybe just follow the rules YOU set. I don't start things, I react to what I receive.
The person who has no integrity talking about integrity :x. You asked for film, I post the film of you ho’ing and ramming and you try and lie your way out of it. Integrity you have no clue the meaning
Off my ankle, heel Boi
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 01:30:54 PM
The person who has no integrity talking about integrity :x. You asked for film, I post the film of you ho’ing and ramming and you try and lie your way out of it. Integrity you have no clue the meaning
Off my ankle, heel Boi
Late to the show... guess you're feeling all swoll behind your homies, lofl. You have a bad habit of coming in for collisions going back several years.
There's a whole thread of me showing what is and is not a ho... from july 2023...
I give what I get. I stopped moving aside for your jousting (lag favors lagbois in this), and I've been starting to protect that space with guns.
Get better - running and dragging is pure MA weebsauce.
Learn what is and what is not a HO. This is 100% MNM associated because I got fed up with your collective MNM "HOing" and excusing it as "oops"
July 2023: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,407770.0.html
I just might get around to doing a supercut of all your jousting, running and front quartering. There's one clear one of you tearing in to joust in that MNM thread I just referenced, first post, 3rd film named "20 4x mnm_0421"
Give better and you'll get better.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fuzeman on May 07, 2025, 01:43:49 PM
I only got half my guns on you, not all, so it's a reach to call it a HO.
So I guess a ho is a ho only when the absolute center of my prop perfectly aligns with the absolute center of the prop on the plane the guy I’m ho-ing’s prop? And it follows they have to be on an exact opposite course, to minuscule fractions on an inch.
With that tight a definition it seems that to me a true ho is practically impossible.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: captain1ma on May 07, 2025, 01:52:10 PM
HITECH please lock this thread, its run its course!
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 07, 2025, 02:21:16 PM
So I guess a ho is a ho only when the absolute center of my prop perfectly aligns with the absolute center of the prop on the plane the guy I’m ho-ing’s prop? And it follows they have to be on an exact opposite course, to minuscule fractions on an inch.
With that tight a definition it seems that to me a true ho is practically impossible.
Finally someone said it, offender has absolutely no clue what he’s talking about, and posts pictures of actual HO’s he has committed and defends them as a “front quarter” …. *smacks forehead*
Trying to get that point across though is like :bhead :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 07, 2025, 02:25:01 PM
I don't play anymore but I can still have an opinion on the subject. If someone is heading towards you and not shooting it seems obvious they are trying to avoid a head on situation or collision. Sure, I'd still shoot at them but I'd pretend to feel bad about it.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 07, 2025, 02:41:38 PM
That applies to the MA, not MNM where the rules specifically state no Head On passes, unfortunately we have a player who gets tired of getting shot down, who will then take increasingly more Head On shots until those on the receiving end of said HO’s get sick of it and shoot back, original offender then cries “HO” and blames everyone else instead of taking a look at the root of the problem… himself. He will then go on to accuse every one else of doing the exact things he himself is doing. Said player is the literal definition of a narcissist.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 07, 2025, 03:10:43 PM
Rules or no, there has been complaining about HOing in the MA since time began.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 07, 2025, 03:21:04 PM
Can the organizer of an event like this not disinvite someone after sufficient complaints?
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 07, 2025, 03:41:51 PM
That’s a conversation between the event CM and Dale…
But shouldn’t be necessary, 99% of us who participate in MNM have no problems following the rules of the event, being civil, and having a good time. Once the other 1% gets on board we won’t have any issues. :aok
If the 1% continues to refuse to join the fold… then yah I would recommend not allowing that player to continue participating. And that goes for anyone and everyone, myself included.
2nd recommendation is to just bury this situation where it is right now. Clean slate, fresh start, calm feelings, and go back to having good clean fun. Rivalries and competitiveness encouraged… complete disregard to event rules, blatant antagonizing, name calling, flaming on boards, etc., not allowed.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 07, 2025, 03:54:10 PM
I agree your 2nd recommendation is ideal. It could happen. :D
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: ZE on May 07, 2025, 04:40:48 PM
2nd recommendation is to just bury this situation where it is right now. Clean slate, fresh start, calm feelings, and go back to having good clean fun. Rivalries and competitiveness encouraged… complete disregard to event rules, blatant antagonizing, name calling, flaming on boards, etc., not allowed.
I like this option ( not sure about the rules)... I also did a HO in the MNM with the inmediately apologized, and received( the expect and received) a mature answer: "don't worry...ocasionally happens to all" and move on.... No drama is game saver option.....
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 06:19:13 PM
So I guess a ho is a ho only when the absolute center of my prop perfectly aligns with the absolute center of the prop on the plane the guy I’m ho-ing’s prop? And it follows they have to be on an exact opposite course, to minuscule fractions on an inch.
With that tight a definition it seems that to me a true ho is practically impossible.
You are very correct.... so in receiving "front quarters" that I personally deem HO-ish in the 2-10range, call them out, continue getting them and start giving them back. And egos have been making that 2-10 window much narrower.
Why should I continually eat collisions as butthurt players fly or turn directly into me? Sure, I could move aside, but after so many, I simply no longer move - so I should eat a collision that favors players with higher latency? I was for a while, then got tired of it.
Ironically, or actually more on point, I have a film from Feb '23 where jaeger tells people 2-10 and puma44 straight up HOs me directly after. He was one of the bigger offenders in this, and he hasn't been around for a while, altho' he's over here licking the window.
I give what I get.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 07, 2025, 06:27:57 PM
2nd recommendation is to just bury this situation where it is right now. Clean slate, fresh start, calm feelings, and go back to having good clean fun. Rivalries and competitiveness encouraged… complete disregard to event rules, blatant antagonizing, name calling, flaming on boards, etc., not allowed.
I can do this a lot easier than any of you could. Mind your HOs and watch your rams, that simple.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 07, 2025, 06:43:21 PM
Tag Puma you’re in :rolleyes:.
Listen Shane… I know you feel like you get ganged up on a lot, whether it be in the game or on the boards or wherever.. but your “location”, Sig lines, and overall attitude towards everyone really doesn’t help your case, and I’m trying to say this in a nice way. Cause we all, you and me and SNO and Jaeger and Puma, and literally everyone else still here, are the last of a dying breed. We all share an interest in this type of sht that has basically fused with our souls… otherwise we wouldn’t still be here.
How about you, and me, and SNO, and the entire Aces High community for that matter, current players and former players, cause they’re still here too… how about we all just have a little more respect for each other. The real WW2 pilots, they did what we do… except for realsies, but they respected one another while they did it, They had honor still.. you know?
My point is… let’s just call it square, everyone.. on everything and let’s just enjoy the friendships and rivalries we have all created over so many years of flying and dying together.
Why don’t you join us for an FSO sometime, who knows.. maybe after fighting together instead of against each other for once, maybe we will understand one another a little more.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Lazerr on May 07, 2025, 07:24:55 PM
Cutting weapon lethality by 1/3 or 1/2 would make this worth attending.
As it sits, it's a sped up MA with airspawns and 12 pilots for an hour.
The alt cap and necessity to saddle for a kill shot would probably have most of you pretty sore in whatever muscles a joystick uses.
For what it's worth, I think lethality in the MA is entirely too high too. Requiring more time in sight = better fights and less easy picks.
Im sure most of you would disagree, but the fact you can't fight your way out of a wet toilet paper handbag kind of proves my point.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fuzeman on May 07, 2025, 07:37:47 PM
KOTH rounds were always much more interesting and fun with smaller less lethal ammunition. Those D3A rounds were a great example.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: MDStampf93 on May 07, 2025, 07:42:48 PM
Actually I think Lazerrs’ idea is a great one. Definitely worth trying at least once to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Eagler on May 07, 2025, 07:49:00 PM
It's why BOB was fun, you weren't cut in half with the first volley..
All for it
Eagler
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: ZE on May 07, 2025, 08:50:56 PM
Listen Shane… I know you feel like you get ganged up on a lot, whether it be in the game or on the boards or wherever.. but your “location”, Sig lines, and overall attitude towards everyone really doesn’t help your case, and I’m trying to say this in a nice way. Cause we all, you and me and SNO and Jaeger and Puma, and literally everyone else still here, are the last of a dying breed. We all share an interest in this type of sht that has basically fused with our souls… otherwise we wouldn’t still be here.
How about you, and me, and SNO, and the entire Aces High community for that matter, current players and former players, cause they’re still here too… how about we all just have a little more respect for each other. The real WW2 pilots, they did what we do… except for realsies, but they respected one another while they did it, They had honor still.. you know?
My point is… let’s just call it square, everyone.. on everything and let’s just enjoy the friendships and rivalries we have all created over so many years of flying and dying together.
Why don’t you join us for an FSO sometime, who knows.. maybe after fighting together instead of against each other for once, maybe we will understand one another a little more.
I Like the proposal.... :salute ZE
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Oldman731 on May 07, 2025, 09:03:28 PM
My point is… let’s just call it square, everyone.. on everything and let’s just enjoy the friendships and rivalries we have all created over so many years of flying and dying together.
This is sound advice.
I've known Shane since he was Oopsy, back in the AW and the Bigweek newsgroup days. Met him at WWII weekend, with Mosca, decades ago. He's grouchy, as everyone knows, and he has his reasons, but he has a good heart. I'm glad to be able to call him my friend. Just the same, Jaeger and Puma, in particular, are some of my virtual best buds.
To wit: There's no good reason for the MNM people, who I consider to be the cream of this game, to be mad at each other over something silly like this. Could we please just drop it?
- oldman
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fudgums on May 07, 2025, 09:22:51 PM
I for one would like to do a hos only night. Bonnie blue Mondays so to speak.
110Gs only. Die with honor.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Puma44 on May 08, 2025, 09:33:29 PM
Listen Shane… I know you feel like you get ganged up on a lot, whether it be in the game or on the boards or wherever.. but your “location”, Sig lines, and overall attitude towards everyone really doesn’t help your case, and I’m trying to say this in a nice way.
Well, ok then.
I was introduced to the AvA early on and fell in love with the no icon concept that was in effect then. Such a great real world simulation. So wish we could go back to that but, I digress. Even then, HOing was strongly discouraged, which made it even more appealing. As we all know, HOing is a common tactic used by many in the MA. From observation, it seems that is the only lethal move that many players have because they are BFM deficient. BFM is the core of a fighter pilots tool kit, back then and still today.
So, on to the Shane HO issue. Every MNM there are inadvertent HO events. The vast majority of players “own it”, apologize, and move on. When that single HO happens and it’s accidental in the heat of the knife fight, that understandable and most of us move on. But, when the same player HOs once, then twice, and maybe more in the same sortie. That’s unacceptable, desperate behavior by someone without BFM skills, or just going for the easy cheap shot because of being to lazy to work it behind the 3/9 line. There have been a small number of players that resort to that kind of play.
Shane’s frequent use of the HO is well known. When called out, he argues, starts the name calling, whining, and complaining. The regulars in the AvA are well aware of it.
So, yeah Shane I HOed you, intentionally, as explained above. Save time and don’t bother posting film to prove it. And, in the future, expect the same if you want to play the HO game.
In closing, if you intend to respond with some of your snappy name calling, don’t bother.
The AvA is a fantastic place to get away from the irritants of the real world and have fun. So, let’s all do the fun part. :salute
Check six, gentlemen! :bolt:
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 08, 2025, 11:42:43 PM
So, on to the Shane HO issue. Every MNM there are inadvertent HO events. The vast majority of players “own it”, apologize, and move on. When that single HO happens and it’s accidental in the heat of the knife fight, that understandable and most of us move on.
Shane’s frequent use of the HO is well known. When called out, he argues, starts the name calling, whining, and complaining. The regulars in the AvA are well aware of it.
So, yeah Shane I HOed you, intentionally, as explained above. Save time and don’t bother posting film to prove it. And, in the future, expect the same if you want to play the HO game.
I always call out, and after a certain number of them, start giving back. I pay attention to text ch 223... From all appearances, I'm the only one calling them out on 223, so it seems I'm the only one getting HO'd.
I've never gotten, "hey shane watch the HO or front quarter." If you're calling me out on vox 223, that's on you because I don't do vox.
You and rascal were taking so many front quarter shots that I wasn't - you've been key in this whole situation and a big reason why I film now. Let's not forget all the jousting collisions because I stopped moving out of your way. SNO is another one who takes jousting too close for collisions.
All these bogus claims of me constantly hoing and whining is getting tiresome as you people make claims but don't back them up. It's straight up lying. There's barely time to type at all, so at most you'll see me quickly call out mind your ho or ask Jaeger to remind people to mind their shots. Countless films disprove your bs.
Trust me, I don't need to take HO or sketchy front quarter shots to shoot you people down. Eagler and I have many funs fights without taking them - ask yourself why (protip: I give what I get.) I have plenty of MNM films where I don't take these shots. Plenty of MNM films of being HO'd and rammed, tho' - and films of me returning them.
As an aside that speaks to how you play in MNM, you're always turning back hard into me (or whoever, I guess) hard trying to get into HO aspect to save your weebsauce - many do that in MNM, you're just upset I started pop you before you totally make it. And when you do, I have to decide if I want to move out of the way of the impending collision - I stopped doing that, too.
Your passive-aggression gets you nowhere with me. Get better.
And no one has ever apologized for a HO on me unless I called them out, and barely even then - usually Jaeger will, or Mols, none of the rest of you.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Eagler on May 09, 2025, 07:43:16 AM
As we have all agreed here to hold fire until behind the 3 to 9 line going forward, this misunderstanding seems to be resolved ...
Have a great day and see you in MNM!
Eagler
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 09, 2025, 08:25:49 AM
As we have all agreed here to hold fire until behind the 3 to 9 line going forward, this misunderstanding seems to be resolved ...
Have a great day and see you in MNM!
Eagler
I'm all on board with that, but how many MNM "players" like Puma aren't gonna be able to actually do it and end up breaking the rules again and again?
And I will call out and post films of violations going forward. And I bet get called whiner when I point out this weebsauce inabilty to read plane aspects? Or have it excused off by... inepitude, ignorance or a simple "oops?" Nope, the door for "oops" just got closed. :rofl
Gonna be hilarious.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 09, 2025, 08:59:06 AM
I would think the HO restriction should be limited to the beginning of the engagement. Once the initial pass is made you may find yourself in front of the enemies 3/9 line at some point and you got there by maneuvering. Anyone who has played this game more than a few weeks should have the SA to know when the fight is on.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: fudgums on May 09, 2025, 09:15:48 AM
Bring back flak rockets :airplane:
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: Shane on May 09, 2025, 09:19:02 AM
I would think the HO restriction should be limited to the beginning of the engagement. Once the initial pass is made you may find yourself in front of the enemies 3/9 line at some point and you got there by maneuvering. Anyone who has played this game more than a few weeks should have the SA to know when the fight is on.
You've obviously never played MNM? The assumptions it's like a "duel" is 100% misleading, which is why there's a level of snap judgement calls that many fail to make appropriately and is behind the issue at hand.
Maybe watch this to get an idea: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,408702.0.html
In that thread is a 7 min youtube video (Jan '24) showing what MNM looks like with the fog effects that don't show up on ahf. <Look at all the HOs and whinging I'm doing!!>
This was also before air starts were added; this addition has made the action more frequent/intense. This was about when the LCS was enabled, it's not as magical as one might think, but is helpful. The fog layer down low that day was set a bit thicker than ususal.
Title: Re: Monday Night Madness in the SEA2--5/5/225 at 8pm EST
Post by: AKIron on May 09, 2025, 09:23:38 AM
I never liked artificial rules which can be ambiguous and interpreted differently. Some will take advantage. Others will lose any edge trying to ensure they comply.