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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: haggerty on May 14, 2025, 07:45:19 PM
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Currently some of the best bombers in the game have no shot at getting bomber score because they pork bases.
Right now, all the "best" bombers do a single mossie run and drop a 4,000lb bomb in the center of town and then capture a base and they will finish top 10 in 2 sorties.
Bombing structures at the base reduces a players score because they don't get the hit % that towns skyrocket. It makes taking anything other than B24s or TU2s extremely rare because of those 2,000lb bomb loads they get.
Storch sees very little use as well since it also kills a players score, counting as a bomber sortie with no damage.
Creating a 5th category may also be a good fix, putting all support missions into that, vehicle captures, goon captures, storch sorties, supply runs, total sorties not being detrimental to the player.
I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished.
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Currently some of the best bombers in the game have no shot at getting bomber score because they pork bases.
Right now, all the "best" bombers do a single mossie run and drop a 4,000lb bomb in the center of town and then capture a base and they will finish top 10 in 2 sorties.
Bombing structures at the base reduces a players score because they don't get the hit % that towns skyrocket. It makes taking anything other than B24s or TU2s extremely rare because of those 2,000lb bomb loads they get.
Storch sees very little use as well since it also kills a players score, counting as a bomber sortie with no damage.
Creating a 5th category may also be a good fix, putting all support missions into that, vehicle captures, goon captures, storch sorties, supply runs, total sorties not being detrimental to the player.
I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished.
I completely agree with you. I would take a perk mossie and bomb towns and rearm/refuel like 5 times and it always put me really high on bomber score.
I used to say I was just "delivering milk to the babies" when somebody launched to intercept. (I guess that's one way to describe a milk run)
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Why should exploiting the scoring system for rank be adjusted for buffs, but not other categories? Do you think those categories need adjusting as well?
That's what ranking is all about, exploiting the system scoring design - it's always been this way. Those who don't care about rank, don't, those who do, typically take that path.
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I never understood the lack of points for taking down a HQ and landing all 3 lancasters.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1466/24133597224_d2393fc04d_z.jpg)
2 fighters and 2 bombers and some rearms.
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Why should exploiting the scoring system for rank be adjusted for buffs, but not other categories? Do you think those categories need adjusting as well?
That's what ranking is all about, exploiting the system scoring design - it's always been this way. Those who don't care about rank, don't, those who do, typically take that path.
The goal is to de-exploit it. The other categories have minor issues, but not to the extent of the bombing category.
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I guess you really don't like that I view your limited skill-set of of playing for score and how you play to that for your ego as... limited.
Case in point: your whinge about bombing stats.
I noticed you said this to me on a closed topic, I think you mistake my high score for someone that is playing for score. I just log on and fight at the the front my team needs me on, I don't do anything special for score besides doing well every sortie. This isn't a whine about bomber score, it would be detrimental to my rank since I'm not normally a bomber, I would have to work much harder to obtain a good rank if that's what I cared about. To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd. You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta.
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Common man! With as good as you are you should fly something to make it challenging! Maybe try a storch? :bolt:
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I noticed you said this to me on a closed topic, I think you mistake my high score for someone that is playing for score. I just log on and fight at the the front my team needs me on, I don't do anything special for score besides doing well every sortie. This isn't a whine about bomber score, it would be detrimental to my rank since I'm not normally a bomber, I would have to work much harder to obtain a good rank if that's what I cared about. To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd. You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta.
tl;dnr - As a matter of practice, you focus on defending vs GVs and buffs for that score and rank and you think makes you better than you really are across the board into a2a realms.
Plane choice in certain environments is irrelevant. You could be behind the horde (which you have been) or you could be fighting the horde (who's skillset in those times is different than later in the day.)
You could be targeting buffs and gv's (and it seems you are - tour 303 (4/25): 100 of your 143 kills flying a typh (most in a fighter frame) were on gvs and buffs) which is no big but doesn't speak to other skillsets, does it? Well, you do seem adequate at vulching.
It also seems you're currently playing later in the day (more people, more skills) than you used to, and your rides have gotten progressively hotter as a response, but your target selection hasn't.
This isn't about your exploiting scoring for ranks, tho' - it's about your lack of a2a skillset when it comes up against fighters who know what they're doing. Like Cat7 and other score potatoes, your SA allows you to escape and you play from that aspect - again no big, but nothing special compared to other score potatoes.
Tour 304, 5/25 to date:
17 of your 21 kills in a p40F have been against GV or buffs.
All 4 of your kills in a p40N are against GVs.
All 12 of your p47d11 kills were vs buffs.
14 of your 21 spit16 kills were GVs or buffs, the rest were carrier fighters - so it seems you might have been defending a base (friendly ack and bug out options.)
45 of your 77 kills in a Tempest were GV's or buffs.
But back on topic: it's easy to manipulate bomber scoring for rank by doing the few things needed (I used to do it all the time, just to get my rank up into cv-control territory.) It's as easy for attack ranking as well if you know how to do it. It can also be done playing organically with no milking involved. I rarely hit strats and tend to focus on WF a front-line town, not milking a series of town centers like some players - each side has their own who do this. Most of my kills are plane vs plane in attack mode because I'm not that motivated to go after GVs - if I do, it's usually in an F6F defending.
You can defend your ranking as "skill", but not to the broad extent you're trying to claim. :aok
<edit: also on topic - Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>
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Shane is bad for the sim.
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Shane is bad for the sim.
Yeah, I guess. I mean I got you back to playing and you're barely useful to your side. I need to up my recruitment game, apparently. :aok
<Do you need assistance in learning the F6 bombsight function?> :O
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tl;dnr - As a matter of practice, you focus on defending vs GVs and buffs for that score and rank and you think makes you better than you really are across the board into a2a realms.
Well, you do seem adequate at vulching.
It also seems you're currently playing later in the day (more people, more skills) than you used to, and your rides have gotten progressively hotter as a response, but your target selection hasn't.
it's about your lack of a2a skillset when it comes up against fighters who know what they're doing.
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes people have second thoughts about playing again. Who would feel the need to spend the time to put somebody under a microscope and make comments like this?
I hate to break it to you but most people play the game to have fun and don't care who flies what and how many kills they get in what plane against what target. This kind of obsession reminds me of another guy that got banned not to long ago. The one who supposedly had spreadsheets of his kills vs other players. It doesn't sound like a healthy mental state to me. It's a game...
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This is exactly the kind of thing that makes people have second thoughts about playing again. Who would feel the need to spend the time to put somebody under a microscope and make comments like this?
I hate to break it to you but most people play the game to have fun and don't care who flies what and how many kills they get in what plane against what target. This kind of obsession reminds me of another guy that got banned not to long ago. The one who supposedly had spreadsheets of his kills vs other players. It doesn't sound like a healthy mental state to me. It's a game...
tl;dnr - observations backed up with data to counter claims being made. If he didn't say, "I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished." I'd not be here in this way.
Because... " To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd. You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta" is nothing but an attempt to humble brag.
As inferred (by many, not just me), ranking has very little to do with overall skills and is easy enough for anyone to manipulate via scoring if they wanted. I rarely fly fighter score; of the top 20 fighters ranked in tour 303, only 3-4 do I see as being a personal challenge, yet none are unbeatable or dominating. Even YKW didn't phase me and I owned him straight up several times in MA - he is an excellent picker and e-manager, tho'.
I know you can't answer this, "Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?" because you're not playing, but it's entirely relevant to the subject matter.
No one is claiming haggerty doesn't help his side. I'm refuting that his "odd planes" comment can be properly put into perspective, which I did.
<edit: I'm nothing like YKW and you trying to paint me with that brush is laughable. You're taking every avenue to decry re-subbing. How about just going away and licking some other game's window? I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >
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tl;dnr - observations backed up with data to counter claims being made. If he didn't say, "I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished." I'd not be here in this way.
Because... " To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd. You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta" is nothing but an attempt to humble brag.
As inferred (by many, not just me), ranking has very little to do with overall skills and is easy enough for anyone to manipulate via scoring if they wanted. I rarely fly fighter score; of the top 20 fighters ranked in tour 303, only 3-4 do I see as being a personal challenge, yet none are unbeatable or dominating. Even YKW didn't phase me and I owned him straight up several times in MA - he is an excellent picker and e-manager, tho'.
I know you can't answer this, "Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?" because you're not playing, but it's entirely relevant to the subject matter.
No one is claiming haggerty doesn't help his side. I'm refuting that his "odd planes" comment can be properly put into perspective, which I did.
<edit: I'm nothing like YKW and you trying to paint me with that brush is laughable. You're taking every avenue to decry re-subbing. How about just going away and licking some other game's window? I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >
You really are delusional...
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You really are delusional...
Not even. Very grounded in reality which is why I see you for what you are - a disgruntled window-licker.
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I completely agree with you. I would take a perk mossie and bomb towns and rearm/refuel like 5 times and it always put me really high on bomber score.
I used to say I was just "delivering milk to the babies" when somebody launched to intercept. (I guess that's one way to describe a milk run)
Always needed MILK for a nice bowl of Cereal.
:rolleyes:
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Not even. Very grounded in reality which is why I see you for what you are - a disgruntled window-licker.
I don't get your never ending personal attacks.
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I don't get your never ending personal attacks.
If you look real close, you'll find I'm merely shaking my ankle when I find you on it. :aok
Want data? :rofl This thread is a perfect example.
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If you look real close, you'll find I'm merely shaking my ankle when I find you on it. :aok
Want data? :rofl This thread is a perfect example.
Do you ever have positive contributions to make? I'd like to see a thread of that...
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So my skillset is limited because i'm well rounded is what you are saying? I'm always in the mix defending and attacking. I'm typically on autoswitch so I dont get the pleasure of being in hordes, but rather facing them. Just because i'm great at driving vehicles and bombing them doesnt mean I'm not any good at A2A.
Your entire playstyle is based on A2A as you have mentioned, very one dimensional and limited playset, but you arent even very good at that. I am a good fighter pilot who kills the fighters that are protecting those vehicles and bombers.
You keep claiming i'm a vulcher because you died on landing, but I was the bomber that shot you up and was a sector away....probably flying B26, G4M, or HE-111
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Your gold standard for fighter pilot only intercepts bombers and bombs tanks, I never get to fight him.
217 of his 254 fighter kills being against bombers.
133 of his 140 attack kills being against bombers and vehicles.
I've noticed when he is bomb****ing someone and I come to support he lands immediately and goes somewhere else.
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So my skillset is limited because i'm well rounded is what you are saying? I'm always in the mix defending and attacking. I'm typically on autoswitch so I dont get the pleasure of being in hordes, but rather facing them. Just because i'm great at driving vehicles and bombing them doesnt mean I'm not any good at A2A.
Your entire playstyle is based on A2A as you have mentioned, very one dimensional and limited playset, but you arent even very good at that. I am a good fighter pilot who kills the fighters that are protecting those vehicles and bombers.
You keep claiming i'm a vulcher because you died on landing, but I was the bomber that shot you up and was a sector away....probably flying B26, G4M, or HE-111
You're nowhere near as well rounded as you're trying to make yourself out to be. I'm more than capable of bomb****ing GVs, I just don't specialize in it like you - numbers don't lie. A 500lb egg doesn't care which airframe it comes from and you're not tearing up good sticks in your p40, lofl. Yet you try and make it sound like you're a hot stick in it. Nah, bruh, violator has you beat by miles.
But back on topic - you've yet to answer the very valid questions I asked.
1. Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be?
2. And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this?
3. Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>
With no firm answers it comes down to you humble bragging, "bomber stats need to change (so I don't have to spend as much time to exploit scoring to get it even lower.)"
You, yourself have said how "Fighter #1 is one of the gamier ones to achieve, extremely easy if you want it, on par with bomber. Attack #1 is in my opinion the most impressive, followed by vehicle." (Attack isn't hard at all if you know the right <cough> scoring exploit. I rank fairly high in attack (and buffs) when I want to - I just don't play for rank in general; mostly to get cv control or show those who think rank means something, doesn't really.
This is also you humble bragging as you often do, "As the highest ranking player in the game every month I play, im 100% in favor of things costing more for top rankers and lower rankers being rewarded more....though I already fly eny 40 planes so it doesnt hurt me at all."
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Your gold standard for fighter pilot only intercepts bombers and bombs tanks, I never get to fight him.
217 of his 254 fighter kills being against bombers.
133 of his 140 attack kills being against bombers and vehicles.
I've noticed when he is bomb****ing someone and I come to support he lands immediately and goes somewhere else.
I have no "standard" - I merely pointed out the similarities in your styles. Cat7 was just an example off the top of my head, there are several others very similar - y'all score potatoes do a lot of the same things, just sayin', and one of those is preserving your scoring from deaths that might have resulted in a fun fight.
You're not playing for "fun" in the sense that it's only your fun you consider, not others' fun. Nothing wrong with that per se, but you don't participate in much where there's risk to your scoring despite your claims of single-handedly pwnsaucing whatever is in front of you.
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I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >
You and several of your extra accounts? Yep. I checked and I did get a warning. Congrats!
I had to ask around to find out what post you were complaining about as I had no idea. I think you're smart enough to know that a post asking where somebody went that usually posts often and suddenly stops posting is not a troll, but you saw an opportunity and an ankle.
You complain about abuse of the .report command but pride yourself in getting people warnings here. You really should get off of peoples ankles and learn some ACM skills! Maybe Hag could give you some pointers. He's a nice guy and a decent stick. Maybe Hlywd or Yucca could teach you how to fly a jug if you're feeling up to it :)
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You and several of your extra accounts? Yep. I checked and I did get a warning. Congrats!
I had to ask around to find out what post you were complaining about as I had no idea. I think you're smart enough to know that a post asking where somebody went that usually posts often and suddenly stops posting is not a troll, but you saw an opportunity and an ankle.
You complain about abuse of the .report command but pride yourself in getting people warnings here. You really should get off of peoples ankles and learn some ACM skills! Maybe Hag could give you some pointers. He's a nice guy and a decent stick. Maybe Hlywd or Yucca could teach you how to fly a jug if you're feeling up to it :)
Dial back your conspiracy... :noid I only have one acct on forum and in game. I'm poor, like you!
You have a nasty habit of using red herrings in failing to make your points. The troll post of yours that got reported deserved it - it was pure weebsauce trolling. If you were truly concerned about him, you could have PM'd him. Nah, you were trolling.
An amusing aside: your boi, haggerty here, got a lesson in abusing the .rpt function (and he even came here to whinge about it, lol.) HT actually came in game to make an announcement about abusing .rpt... (want the screenshot? :rofl ) .rpt has always had it place when used appropriately.
But back to custom(player) arenas... free to make and play and can hold 16 people... what's your excuse for not trying that?
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You're nowhere near as well rounded as you're trying to make yourself out to be. I'm more than capable of bomb****ing GVs, I just don't specialize in it like you - numbers don't lie. A 500lb egg doesn't care which airframe it comes from and you're not tearing up good sticks in your p40, lofl. Yet you try and make it sound like you're a hot stick in it. Nah, bruh, violator has you beat by miles.
But back on topic - you've yet to answer the very valid questions I asked.
1. Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be?
2. And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this?
3. Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>
With no firm answers it comes down to you humble bragging, "bomber stats need to change (so I don't have to spend as much time to exploit scoring to get it even lower.)"
You, yourself have said how "Fighter #1 is one of the gamier ones to achieve, extremely easy if you want it, on par with bomber. Attack #1 is in my opinion the most impressive, followed by vehicle." (Attack isn't hard at all if you know the right <cough> scoring exploit. I rank fairly high in attack (and buffs) when I want to - I just don't play for rank in general; mostly to get cv control or show those who think rank means something, doesn't really.
This is also you humble bragging as you often do, "As the highest ranking player in the game every month I play, im 100% in favor of things costing more for top rankers and lower rankers being rewarded more....though I already fly eny 40 planes so it doesnt hurt me at all."
I havent been keeping names, but the way bomber score is calculated it punishes people that dont follow a strict regime to score generation. If you are dropping a bomb on anything other than a town center or strat, you are hurting your score. For one example, three of the top 10 bombers last month did less than 30 sorties, having minimal impact on the war effort, beating out many players with hundreds of sorties. The whole point of this thread was to adjust the metrics so that things like hit percentage arent so heavily weighed. I'm not sure why you think its some effort to help myself, I dont play bomber, im one of those guys in the top 10 every month wtih minimal effort because I'll WF a town every once in awhile. Adjusting the variables would hurt me. Removing just the hit% calculation from the score would have a beneficial impact by allowing bombers to hit airfield targets without reducing their ranking.
I stand by my views on the gameness of the scores, with Bomber being easiest to game, Fighter 2nd, Vehicles 3rd, and Attack 4th. My bragging typically comes when people like you just attack me for no reason, you just cant stand that someone who isnt even trying for rank is successful in this game. I'm bullied every month as a score chaser just for fighting the war the way the game was intended, defending and capturing bases and killing anyone who tries to stop me. Being a great well rounded player causes the rank to come without any need to game the stats.
You seem to think I dont take any risks, if you played at my time you would see i'm regularly the only person defending against 5 or more players and have no issues taking off at the field to face them...but you would take off from a different field and hover near the base at 20k hoping to get a 1v1 that you lose half the time.
I've had many great fights with the great fighter pilots in this game, i'm sure there is a mutual respect there, I dont need to ignore the war and treat the MA like the DA to appease you.
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Now you've done it. Shame gonna be on your ankle!
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Now you've done it. Shame gonna be on your ankle!
He needs an activity to keep him busy, that 3 kills per hour at 20k in the backfield in ENY 5 planes gives him a lot of free time.
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For one example, three of the top 10 bombers last month did less than 30 sorties, having minimal impact on the war effort, beating out many players with hundreds of sorties.
The whole point of this thread was to adjust the metrics so that things like hit percentage arent so heavily weighed. I'm not sure why you think its some effort to help myself, I dont play bomber, im one of those guys in the top 10 every month wtih minimal effort because I'll WF a town every once in awhile. Adjusting the variables would hurt me.
Removing just the hit% calculation from the score would have a beneficial impact by allowing bombers to hit airfield targets without reducing their ranking.
I stand by my views on the gameness of the scores, with Bomber being easiest to game, Fighter 2nd, Vehicles 3rd, and Attack 4th.
My bragging typically comes when people like you just attack me for no reason, you just cant stand that someone who isnt even trying for rank is successful in this game. I'm bullied every month as a score chaser just for fighting the war the way the game was intended, defending and capturing bases and killing anyone who tries to stop me. Being a great well rounded player causes the rank to come without any need to game the stats.
You seem to think I dont take any risks, if you played at my time you would see i'm regularly the only person defending against 5 or more players and have no issues taking off at the field to face them...but you would take off from a different field and hover near the base at 20k hoping to get a 1v1 that you lose half the time.
I've had many great fights with the great fighter pilots in this game, i'm sure there is a mutual respect there, I dont need to ignore the war and treat the MA like the DA to appease you.
Looks like you activated your victimhood in attempt to protect your fragile ego as it aims for #1 across the categories. :rofl
I'm also pretty much the only one that side-eyes your claims of greatness - so ease off the persecution complex. :noid
You seem to think I'm not capable, but again, don't confuse lack of effort with lack of ability. Just like I don't confuse ranking with skill. :aok
You also seem stuck on rank as having broad appeal, when it doesn't - it never really did. The top ranked players, regardless of category, throughout AH history have always been about exploiting the scoring system to achieve it. Rank doesn't reflect organic playing when so many are exploiting the system across all categories.
I get it, you're new here. :aok And seeing as how you're new here, you may not realize that it's not going to change at this point. Let me assure it's not. :aok
Back on topic. It's telling you think some buff drivers are going unrecognized but are unable to name any. :noid
The top buffers pretty much have comparable stats, and if it's as easy as you claim, nothing stopping these alleged missing "greats" from doing that minimal needed while still doing what they do. Why should a bomber target dar or ords or even enemy GVs or things that should properly be handled by jabos? You seem to want to punish bombers for doing their job in hitting appropriate targets - towns and strats. Several medium bombers also have attack scoring if they wanted to hit on-base targets, and this is the more appropriate scoring category. I'm kind of sure heavy bombers in ww2 didn't target frontline airfields.
Looking at the top 20 fighters for T303 - none of them are particularly helpful to the overall "war" effort. And of those top 20, none of them give me any particular trouble and some are fun actually fights, win or lose, like trogdor (who can be argued is the most organic scoring fighter rank -but he doesn;t really contribute a whole lot to the war) and fooftr (who exploits the system, but also has legit skills) but most are just targeting bombers for their scores or defending a base. (Is that helpful to the "war" - depends, did they drop first? Was it just done protecting "strats? against those strat milkers? Was the base actually "saved"?) It seems fighter scoring favors defending over attacking.
Can you even name these "greats" you've had fun fights with? Were they ranked?
There are numerous "fighters" who "contribute" more than these high rankers do, but rank lower because more sorties and deaths - should fighter scoring be adjusted to give actual contributors more weight as opposed to selectively exploiting scoring? I don't see you advocating removing hit % from fighter scoring or any other category. I don't score my sorties as fighter very often because I will either have eggs or be willing to strafe ground targets when needed. If anything, I may run a few fighter sorties just to get overall ranking down even lower if I'm in the mood to do so.
Again, don't confuse lack of effort with lack of ability - my ego is secure in this regard. You might want to work on yours. :aok
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I'm new here? :rofl
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I'm new here? :rofl
Would you rather I attribute your ignorance of the scoring realities here to something else? :headscratch:
Let me repeat it for you and credit you enough intelligence to get it, this time. Hopefully.
tl;dnr - changing scoring metrics are not happening.
Those who care about rank will do what it takes to accomplish what their ego craves. It's easy enough, according to you. Those who do not care, do not care.
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