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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on May 20, 2025, 07:42:32 PM
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Can someone tell me why people would not rather fight in WW2 historical battles than Knights v Rooks v Bishops ?
I am just thinking of all those mostly men who watch the history channel and U tube etc
I know we had an A V A back in the day and even then no one went there but isn't it the model in IL2 as well as DCS ?
Humour me please I am sure we have done this before but I am like everyone else getting older.
Yes I know we have scenario and FSA.
Personally I would like A V A and switch off the icons while returning to area radar.
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Can someone tell me why people would not rather fight in WW2 historical battles than Knights v Rooks v Bishops ?
I know we had an A V A back in the day and even then no one went there but isn't it the model in IL2 as well as DCS ?
Humour me please I am sure we have done this before but I am like everyone else getting older.
Personally I would like A V A and switch off the icons while returning to area radar.
The AvA/(Combat Theatre) had its moments. It was the weekly historical matchups, not often revolving around capturing bases, that was great for learning rides vs their counterparts as opposed to the full-on MA plane set.
I think the midwar arena had slightly more appeal than AvA, but for me AvA was where I spent quite a bit of time.
The current AvA is starting to get used for TNT and potentially the new Weekend War thingy with combined arms and objectives (mini-scenario/fso flavored)
It has all the potential to be what it was in the past with weekly setups (and maps) left pretty much unattended except the occasional reset for some reason.
Perhaps the AvA could be setup early in the week (for practice/play), cumulating in the Weekend war thing?
HTC has provided us with a great sandbox, but it's down to us making it happen with minimal HTC involvement beyond arena privs.
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The AvA/(Combat Theatre) had its moments. It was the weekly historical matchups, not often revolving around capturing bases, that was great for learning rides vs their counterparts as opposed to the full-on MA plane set.
Perhaps the AvA could be setup early in the week (for practice/play), cumulating in the Weekend war thing?
HTC has provided us with a great sandbox, but it's down to us making it happen with minimal HTC involvement beyond arena privs.
A V A is allot more relatable to WW2 enthusiasts. One of the best things about the sandbox is if you come from say the history channel which says this Plane, Tank etc did this, that is exactly what it does in AH too. That still amazes me.
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A V A is allot more relatable to WW2 enthusiasts. One of the best things about the sandbox is if you come from say the history channel which says this Plane, Tank etc did this, that is exactly what it does in AH too. That still amazes me.
And back in it's heyday (for me) these are the rides I used over the weekly matchup changes, running from pearl harbor to that South American (Soccer War) across all theatres. The Finnish AF matchups always drew the Finns in.
I flew these rides vs their counterparts, flying both sides, switching to balance numbers (no timer penalty) - it was fun. This was Nov. 2004 - CT 33 before the name change to AvA. This was: BoB, Okinawa, late channel '43 and I'm trying find what the vvs vs lw was...
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK5G0bfQ/11-04-ct33.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crKZ03mx)
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Biggest issue I believe is that it never had automated map feature or logs.
So, couldn't really run a MA type setup because the map would be overran in the off hours.
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Couldn't run events because the lack of logs.
It turned into more of a historical dueling arena.
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Can someone tell me why people would not rather fight in WW2 historical battles than Knights v Rooks v Bishops ?
Three reasons:
Reason One: People want to fly their most favorite plane. That plane is not always available in AvA. This is the most important Reason.
Reason Two: Numbers. Numbers in the AvA were always lower than those in the MAs, essentially for Reason One, above, and to a degree, for Reason Three, below.
Reason Three: Depending on what year and month you're talking, the Allied rides always overpower the Axis rides. Sometimes the other way (think Pacific 1942), but generally the Axis loses out to the Spits and Mustangs. You have to be a dedicated Axis player to survive most of the time. We used to have a lot of them, but these days my sense is that most Axis players want to fly K4s or Doras or Niks or Franks. Those were available for a Very Limited Time, historically.
Which is why the very best historical match-up is Battle of Britain, when both sides are comparable in usefulness.
- oldman
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Three reasons:
Reason Three: Depending on what year and month you're talking, the Allied rides always overpower the Axis rides.
- oldman
With respect I would possibly question that based on my understanding the 109 out turns the comparative 47/51 and the 190 is faster than the comparative spit. The first 190 faced the Spit 5 and the P51 is a late war ride.
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I'd be happy to see just two sides fighting the full planeset.
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With respect I would possibly question that based on my understanding the 109 out turns the comparative 47/51 and the 190 is faster than the comparative spit. The first 190 faced the Spit 5 and the P51 is a late war ride.
Would be good to have everyone come try it! Need some more expressed interest.
Remember that the 51B was introduced December 1943, and at that point the Germans were flying G6s. Give those rides a try in the MA, see how that works out.
As I've mentioned before, we once had someone compress all of WWII ETO into a one-month AvA rolling plane set. It was surprising to see how long the Spit 5s were flying against 109Fs. Still a pretty good match.
- oldman
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I'd be happy to see just two sides fighting the full planeset.
Don't forget throwing the Las and Yaks in on the Allied side.
Just sayin' [t/m Pasha]
- oldman
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I flew Ava all the time also back in the day, that’s how I met Oldman Ranger and a few others back then. We used to be friendly icons only and no enemy icons but til the end . Yes no logs are kept there like Monday Night madness but that is held in special events arena so you can run logs. But if I recall Ava did or still does a ranking system like the MA.
Another thing is the Numbers issue if we do try a weekly or even a month to month event which we do have quite a few historical events already made will people come and play? We are all getting old and all and the numbers are just not here anymore plus the lack of people who would like to set these up besides Jaeger and I back then we had a rotating staff who were old take turns setting the arena up and all
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I would always hop into AvA back in the day when the game was alive. Today there is too much Chess piece loyalty and hatred to anyone that is on the other team. We've gone to far to be able to appropriately mix and segregate people into two teams with limited planesets. Not to mention every time I go in there its some silly setting from an event, unable to play proper AvA. Not sure why the events dont use the free servers and entice non-paying members.
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Biggest issue I believe is that it never had automated map feature or logs.
So, couldn't really run a MA type setup because the map would be overran in the off hours.
or
Couldn't run events because the lack of logs.
It turned into more of a historical dueling arena.
Ya used to be able to check your ranking out on the home page with your kills and all but just checked it out for Ava even though it’s gv only for now it eyes Molsman has not flown in the AvA tour
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AvA or whatever..the numbers don't support a 3 sided war anymore as "winning the map" trumps game play/action these days which usually leaves one side..seems knights more than any other...twiddling their thumbs during prime time..
Last night on auto assign was as boring as it comes..
Eagler
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AvA or whatever..the numbers don't support a 3 sided war anymore as "winning the map" trumps game play/action these days which usually leaves one side..seems knights more than any other...twiddling their thumbs during prime time..
Last night on auto assign was as boring as it comes..
Eagler
A V A on a rolling time frame 1939 to 1945 pls :pray
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the AVA was and still is for the most part Axis vs Allies. its 2 sided and we always run it like that. we "try" to keep it as fair and even as possible, depending on what we do.
i do monday night madness in the SEA2 just for the logs. people want to see how many kills they get
i was 2 steps from doing the same with thursday night tank nights in the SEA2 but then Molsman came back and wanted to use the
AVA. i was good with that.
through many years of trials and tribulations and finding what works and what doesnt, we have a pretty good mix of battles that seems to have peoples interest.
Thursday Night Tank fights are working out great, now that we added the feature of neutral base capture and tank spawns right on top of the base to capture.
thursday nights has a pretty good following, but not good enough to justify much else. we can set the arena up with a few planes after thursday nights for anyone to enjoy, but it will probably be midwar planes that i use for monday night madness because they are pretty equal and pretty fair.
AVA will always be a 2 sided thing and its not just for GV's, its just theres not interest much interest in the planesets.
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A V A on a rolling time frame 1939 to 1945 pls :pray
The problem is you are one of a small minority of players that are interested in this. Like the original AvA there just isnt enough players to ever fill it out. You might as well just roll a custom arena and do it there when you want to get together with the other 4-8 players that like this.
I understand making these side events does interest some players but I cringe every time another one is mentioned. The numbers are low enough in the main arena and trying to pull players out to populate these other events hurts the numbers even more.
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I miss the AvA of old. Almost never flew the MA for a few years when I first came to AH. It's ironic that Jaeger has a big hand in trying to keep it alive.
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I miss the AvA of old. Almost never flew the MA for a few years when I first came to AH. It's ironic that Jaeger has a big hand in trying to keep it alive.
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I understand making these side events does interest some players but I cringe every time another one is mentioned. The numbers are low enough in the main arena and trying to pull players out to populate these other events hurts the numbers even more.
I find it interesting and almost ironic that people are worried about me and molsman taking away from the fun in the MA.
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The problem is you are one of a small minority of players that are interested in this. Like the original AvA there just isnt enough players to ever fill it out. You might as well just roll a custom arena and do it there when you want to get together with the other 4-8 players that like this.
I understand making these side events does interest some players but I cringe every time another one is mentioned. The numbers are low enough in the main arena and trying to pull players out to populate these other events hurts the numbers even more.
Actually, these are also probably keeping some of us around, so there's that. Will it bring back former players? Dunno, but could.
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Actually, these are also probably keeping some of us around, so there's that. Will it bring back former players? Dunno, but could.
:aok
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AvA or whatever..the numbers don't support a 3 sided war anymore as "winning the map" trumps game play/action these days which usually leaves one side..seems knights more than any other...twiddling their thumbs during prime time..
Last night on auto assign was as boring as it comes..
Eagler
Ended up deacking a rook town, and went back to white flag it. Thankfully had someone fly a c47 over for the capture. Ended up getting the Rooks attention and got a decent fight out of it for an hour or two. Prior to that it was a snoozefest. All of the knights were hitting a bishop country that put up almost no defense as they were being attacked by the entire rook country.
I'm not a huge fan of ground attack, but when situations like last night were happening, it's up to us as players to change it. Even if it means going against the grain a little bit. I sure wasn't going to pile in with a group of 20 knights attacking a defenseless country.
Another issue was last night furball island bases we owned by only two countries, and the outer islands of that map are less than desirable for a fight as they now have annoying puffy ack towers. Also from island to island has 0 gv spawns, which seems to detour attackers.
Like I mentioned in another post. Just game mechanics and the maps working against the game.
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:aok
I find it interesting and almost ironic that people are worried about me and molsman taking away from the fun in the MA.
Im not in any way suggesting you guys stop. As stated by others this may help bring in more players, which we should all be for.
I dislike holidays, summer, weddings, family picnics and so on because they too take numbers away from the MA. :aok
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The maps were just too big for AvA with the #s. Had it used some of the older maps like Smog8, it would have worked out fine. You dont need a huge map for something that's only going to get 5-10 players maybe.
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The maps were just too big for AvA with the #s. Had it used some of the older maps like Smog8, it would have worked out fine. You dont need a huge map for something that's only going to get 5-10 players maybe.
the AVA has its own terrains that we've created ourselves. we can also use larger one and limit the battlefield. either one works!
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The problem is you are one of a small minority of players that are interested in this.
I did think perhaps people tended to just go where the numbers were but it appears I am wrong as this rarely comes up :headscratch:.
In my mind I was and am playing WW2.
However Star Wars proved perhaps that the style and intensity and not the history is what people want.
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No one suggested a FMN.
Frozen
Margarita
Night
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Ended up deacking a rook town, and went back to white flag it. Thankfully had someone fly a c47 over for the capture. Ended up getting the Rooks attention and got a decent fight out of it for an hour or two. Prior to that it was a snoozefest. All of the knights were hitting a bishop country that put up almost no defense as they were being attacked by the entire rook country.
I'm not a huge fan of ground attack, but when situations like last night were happening, it's up to us as players to change it. Even if it means going against the grain a little bit. I sure wasn't going to pile in with a group of 20 knights attacking a defenseless country.
Another issue was last night furball island bases we owned by only two countries, and the outer islands of that map are less than desirable for a fight as they now have annoying puffy ack towers. Also from island to island has 0 gv spawns, which seems to detour attackers.
Like I mentioned in another post. Just game mechanics and the maps working against the game.
After last night I will be moving to whatever country needed to insure as much action as possible for my hour btwn 8 and 9 est..
Still think the game would get a boost if it went to smaller maps with only two sides..sure couldn't make it any worse imo..
Eagler
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After last night I will be moving to whatever country needed to insure as much action as possible for my hour btwn 8 and 9 est..
Still think the game would get a boost if it went to smaller maps with only two sides..sure couldn't make it any worse imo..
Eagler
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Three sides is actually fine. But the smaller maps do help for off hours. People want to be in a battle, they dont want a huge map with tiny dars scattered all over where you fly for 20 minutes maybe getting 1 kill, or dying quickly from a Vet. Smaller maps can limit the ganging because it makes it easier for all 3 teams to mingle with each other. CV shore fights are some of the best since both sides dont really have to fly far and it's not all 190d and P51s bnz. Closer fields limit alt monkeys too. I know new maps are being built and that is great! But certain maps need to kick the can and a mixup of the rotation needs to happen.
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There is only one side and that is whatever side I happen to be on at any given time while someone is discussing sides, no matter what side the side is.