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Title: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on June 03, 2025, 08:23:07 PM
In game when cursor freezes, clipboard wont move or close, cant bring radio up, but map is still updating, can see text scrolling.  Alt f4 wont work, alt control delete wont bring up task manager, only way to get out is to press power button down & hold. this has happened 3 times.

Any ideas or help appreciated.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: Busher on June 03, 2025, 09:20:11 PM
Check if your computer is running hot while playing the game.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: Bizman on June 04, 2025, 12:58:50 AM
Sounds indeed like a heat issue.

As many of you know, my pet peeve is to shutdown the computer with assistance of the Shift button, or Restarting instead of Shutdown to reset any glitches in the OS. But pressing and holding the power button for the sufficient amount of seconds basically does the same so this doesn't seem to be a Windows issue.

There's several places to check: Water cooling is efficient but the pumps don't seem to last too long. And unlike propeller driven air cooling there's no visual indicator telling about failure, checking temperature is the only way.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 04, 2025, 11:44:52 AM
Now there's a name I have not seen in a LONG time. <S> 428cj :rock
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on June 04, 2025, 05:01:31 PM
  <S> Kenai77

  I have cleaned the case, replaced video card, I was thinking maybe it was an issue with the ram.

 
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on June 16, 2025, 08:07:43 PM
Installed new ram,  no problem since.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 16, 2025, 08:10:01 PM
Welcome back  :aok
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 06, 2025, 12:23:26 PM
It happened again - screen freeze, cursor wont move, alt-ctrl-delete work, alt-f4 wont work, but text still scrolls and I can hear local vox, this only happens in this game.  Have to pull power to puter to get out.

 Some of you smarter than me must have some idea.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: The Fugitive on July 06, 2025, 12:57:29 PM
It happened again - screen freeze, cursor wont move, alt-ctrl-delete work, alt-f4 wont work, but text still scrolls and I can hear local vox, this only happens in this game.  Have to pull power to puter to get out.

 Some of you smarter than me must have some idea.

It almost sounds like a keyboard/mouse input issue. Reseating the plugs when you pulled the computer to swap out the ram set you strait for a bit, maybe it has loosened up. Do you have some functions mapped to your stick? I have a button mapped to open and close the clipboard. Map one and see if it works when the other things lock up. Check to see if you have the keyboard /mouse inputs USB set to "sleep" after a time. They should be set to always on.

Run a Dxdiag and post the top third of the report here so we can see what you have running for a computer and see if there are conflicts anywhere.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: hazmatt on July 06, 2025, 03:45:47 PM
If it only happens in this game, and your memory was bad previously, it may have corrupted something in the game. If it was me I would start by reinstalled the game. It's fixed the problem 90% of the time.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 07, 2025, 02:45:00 PM
 I'm old this game may be getting beyond me, ill try and figure out how to do the dxdiag and do the post. If i reinstall game ill have to redo all my settings ?
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: The Fugitive on July 07, 2025, 02:50:45 PM
No, do not remove the old game, just download a fresh version and install it over the old one.

 This how to do the Dxdiag

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342871.msg4526838.html#msg4526838
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 07, 2025, 06:02:05 PM
 Did the dxdiag (thanks for how to do it) I copied all down to sound,  but i got  the message it exceeded the 12000 character limit here.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: The Fugitive on July 07, 2025, 08:37:00 PM
Just copy a bit less and try it again.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 07, 2025, 09:25:35 PM
-------------  Time of this report: 7/7/2025, 18:49:20
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      System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
             System Model: System Product Name
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 07/03/12 19:46:49 Ver: 13.04 (type: BIOS)
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      Available OS Memory: 16336MB RAM
                Page File: 5193MB used, 27525MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
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       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Available, no HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
 DirectX Database Version: 1.0.8
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.19041.5794 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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        Manufacturer: NVIDIA
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Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32B PP
      Advanced Color: AdvancedColorSupported
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        Driver Model: WDDM 2.7
 Hardware Scheduling: Supported:True Enabled:False
 Graphics Preemption: Pixel
  Compute Preemption: Dispatch
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      Detachable GPU: No
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      Power P-states: Not Supported
      Virtualization: Paravirtualization
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Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 07, 2025, 09:27:30 PM
 That was the most of the dxdiag i could get it to post.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: The Fugitive on July 07, 2025, 09:34:23 PM
You could copy and paste the next section in a second post to get upto and including the Sound.

From what you have posted I dont see any red flags.

Go ahead and DownLoad a fresh install of the game and install it over the one you already have.

Before you do that, just to be safe, double click on the folder icon on the start bar, goto C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III and scroll down to the "settings" folder. Right click on it and click copy/ Then right click on the desktop, and click paste. This will save all of your setting  just incase it messes them up....which it shouldnt, but better to be safe.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 08, 2025, 11:43:46 AM
     D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
             DXVA-HD: Supported
        DDraw Status: Enabled
          D3D Status: Enabled
          AGP Status: Enabled
       MPO MaxPlanes: 4
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     MPO Media Hints: resizing, colorspace Conversion
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            Other Files:
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         HW Accel Level: Emulation Only
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
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       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: USB Keyboard
         Attached: 1
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Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: 428CJ on July 09, 2025, 08:37:57 PM
ok  i posted another part of the dxdiag, installed the game again.  today it froze up 3 times but the alt-f4 got me out.

Hope someone smarter than me can figure it out.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: The Fugitive on July 13, 2025, 08:17:49 PM
Nothing jumps out at me as "wrong". You meet the recommended requirements no problem.

The only other thing that might be an issue is heat. Check to see if all of your fans are running (one in the powersupply, one on the CPU cooler, and atleast 1 or 2 in the cabinet to move air). Check that all the vents are clear and the fins on the CPU heatsink are clear. Dust, pet dander, smoking all clog up computer if they are not cleaned out now and then.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: Bizman on July 14, 2025, 03:21:58 AM
A potential culprit can be the Nvidia sound. Unless you have and use the speakers in your monitor, disable the Nvidia sound device in the Device Manager and uninstall the drivers via Apps and Features. And when updating the Nvidia drivers, do a custom install and uncheck the sound.

That's quite far fetched but they've been known to cause issues. The worst problems I've heard of, though, have been that the sound has been assigned to non-existent monitor speakers, not freezes. Just a few mouse clicks would fix that. Freezing doesn't sound logical in that context.

What puzzles me even more is that the game itself seems to run but you can't interact. Sounds like a USB brownout, i.e. your USB ports not being able to power all the connected devices. Checking the power consumption of the CH Fighterstick revealed that it uses 2.5W which is how much a USB2 port can deliver. Knowing that there's less actual USB ports than physical connectors tells that at least adjacent ones share the resources. Front panel connectors can even be paired with some of the back panel ones. So at least don't connect anything into the USB port adjacent to your stick. The pedals seem to be less thirsty.

Keyboards and mice usually don't require much power but the RGB illuminated ones can be surprisingly juice thirsty, even more than the Fighterstick. If possible, connect the most thirsty devices into separate USB 3 ports, often having a blue tongue instead of black inside the connector.
Title: Re: computer freeze
Post by: Randy1 on July 14, 2025, 01:50:00 PM
Have you updated GPU drivers lately?  If you have try going back to a driver from last year around September.  Make sure you select Custom, and do not select Nividia Game Experience.  Select Clean install.